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Yes.You can imagine running 200m people gov with such miniscule budget.That why there is no electricity and civil servant getting their salaries every month is a miracle.And those salaries are rock bottom..a teacher earn around 70 dollars a montn.Nigeria is a huge mess.You can imagine they sell more oil than Angola and Algeria...who both have bigger budget.Huge gigantic mess.They need a big revolution

Algerian1:
Have searched a little about this , its look like it's the national budget for all states.

For 2018 Total expenditure for nigeria is projected at ₦8.61 trillion (23 billions dollars) with expected revenue of ₦6.61 trillion (18,13 billions dollars ) resulting in a deficit of N2.0 trillion.

And here all the 36 states expenditures budget propos for 2018 when you sum them you will find around 23 , 24 billions dollars too



[url]https://www.proshareng.com/news/BUDGET%20AND%20PLANS/Nigerian-States-and-Budget-2018/37824[/url]

You're gonna post all the hotels in Nigeria.That is doable.Kenya has so many hotels and lodges we would need another 2000 pages to do this.There are new hotels being added every month..most of them designed by great architects.Not the booooring box hotels you're posting there.Dont even start on South Africa or Egypt.That is another level.

Please don't start hotels.Egypt & South Africa are miles ahead followed by Kenya,Morocco,lazy Tz,Sychelles and Mauritus.Every city has the Hiltons, the Sheratons,the Continental.Poor Nigeria..you're just that lousy.

Admittedly our north was for a long time marginalized. Kenya unlike Nigeria do not have natural resource windfall to be shared. That basically meant every region grew by bootstrapping their resources and gov focussed the little resources on high potential areas that made practical sense. Our north is mostly semi arid & arid. We basically left north kenya for UN/Donors/NGOS. That has changed the last 10yrs. North now boast of Africa largest wind farm. The north now has airports, we are building new port in Lamu (North Coast), there is oil production now in Turkana. There are brand new roads - for first time - up North - and we may be opening trade with Ethiopia. Somalia is also becoming more peaceful after our intervention. Long term investment in education of the north are starting to paying off - this is not Nigeria where north are absconding school.

Our north had it's own very serious issues - barren dry land - insecurity from our neighbors brought thousands of illegal guns - sudan, ethiopia, uganda and somali - northern kenya also fought a 30yr old secession war as it tried to join somali. And when that secession war ended - somali exploded - and somalis exported their problems there - another nearly 30 waster yrs!!

In short the images of northern kenya as poster child of starvation are over. KaziKazi has to really dig old pictures going forward.

darfay:
Outside starvation, acute poverty as kazikazi pointed out. What is Kenyan North know for
Oloshi

It wasn't for lack of investment; NGOs & UN poured so much dollars to Northern Kenya but there was nothing to show for it. At one point we estimated [where I worked] that per capita investment annually was more than 2,000 dollars per person and yet the northern kenya remain poor. The problem was lack of public investment - suddenly telecommunication opened up those areas,security improved, and now with devolution & new roads - things are really looking up for the north. I see a decade of very rapid decline of poverty. At one point - Turkana had poverty rate of 95% - illiteracy rate of 95%.

Indeed the northern kenya has been a major blot on kenya - and I am glad things are starting to look up - with area opening up, security improving - we will see lot more minerals exploration companies moving in and exploit them.

For example look at Garissa - it boost of very fine gypsum - and cement companies have moved their in drove. Turkana has oil - and that will change the area - Isiolo to Moyale is pretty much sorted with new corridor to Ethiopia -

In short - we need LAPSET to really get off ground - devolution will deal with the basics - and once the area is opened up - insecurity will disappear.

Also in NGO/UN world - M-pesa was a revelation - and cash/mobile transfer has done wonders. Rather than annually trucking food and name it up the north - with a click a button - they can send cash to victims of poverty & drought - and that basically draws business men to go and sell food there.

kikuyu1:
Before devolution it may very well have been worse! I rmbr a journo pal once in Wajir telling me horror stories..... You can imagine their first Caesarian op was done three yrs ago thanks to devolved health?
Like most of our North it was 6th world. As you said poverty is RAPIDLY decreasing and FYI there are good indicators of commercial oil in Wajir.

This is more realistic. Nigeria if about twice Kenya GDP wise - with about half of that being Oil production GDP. Anything else is cooked. South Africa is about 4-5 times richer.

Kur17:
AfrAsia wealth report:

Kenya is the fifth richest country in Africa,& ninth on per capita.

Kenya’s total wealth at Sh10.4 trillion.

South Africa was ranked the wealthiest on the continent with a net value of Sh72 trillion, followed by Egypt at Sh33 trillion, Nigeria’s Sh25 trillion and Morocco at Sh12 trillion....(Tanzania Sh6 trillion & 8th)

Nigeria is no longer on top ten per capita.


Countries such as Switzerland and Australia have a wealth per person of over Sh20 million.

Kenya is class I Chinese standard. Ethiopia is class II (initially was class IV) Chinese. TZ is AREMA. That basically summarize lot of technical details. AREMA is inferior to Chinese standards. It cheaper to build AREMA & Class II but Class I hauls more, can double stack, is cheaper to operate and maintain. Your railway can haul max of 18m. Kenya's can haul 35M. Your railway will not be able to double stack just like Ethiopia cannot.

Now I know you want to talk axles. Kenya SGR has min axle load of 25 tonnes. Ethiopia & TZ has max axle load of 25 tonnes.

That is why your max tonnes capacity per year is 20m - while ours is double that.

Kazikazi:
The moment you spoke about the max cargo capacity per year I knew you are empty on technical issues.We are talking about double stacking here.I expected you to give me a technical reasons of your arguments. But alas, you are quoting politicians!
At least you should have given me a reasons why an Ethiopian's low curve radius can't do double stacking! You just talk a lot of physics?Which physical stuffs are you talking? Dude,talk technical please.

You still have power rationing in TZ despite having geothermal, hydro and natural gas. Deal with that first.

Kazikazi:
Ho ho ho ho...
What are you saying Mr kibera? Do you want all nations with other energy sources to abandon them and go for geothermal? Even if their reserve of geothermal is so low? What your saying a country like Tanzania,Egypt,Norway,Algeria,Mozambique etc shouldn't develop their propane gases for power so that we can compete in geothermal?
Hohohohoho..why are Kenyans so low on technical skills? These are people who shouted on top of their voices when a Chinese built them a railway tunnel! I wish I could have bought them just one boring machine so may b they could know how simple is to bore a mountain!

Predictably you were running on empty. Nigeria South is more crap than Nigeria North.

Iwillbegreat:
dude shut up and tell lupita nyong, Vera sedika and co to stop coming to Nigeria for sex.

Kenya men are weak and sissy, guess that's where Obama got his genes

If you ever did basic high school physics - leave alone engineering - you lazy Tanzanian bozo- you'll know - double stack train hauling more than 4,000 tonnes is just not possible in TZ or Ethiopia railway - there is a lot of physics involved in that - and that what makes the difference btw class 1 and class 2 railway.

So yes you can double stack empty containers in your rail - but to haul anything more than 4,000 tonnes per train would be impossible. That is why you rail is designed with max capacity of 18m tonnes per annum..and ours has max of twice that(35M).

Also your class 2 railway may be cheaper to construct but MORE EXPENSIVE to operate and maintain.

Kazikazi:
Kenyans lack basic engineering knowledge. In today's age a guy goes to school studying a history!what a no sense.
I am struggling to explain simple technical stuffs here because of your Kenyan theoretical education.
I repeat what makes double stacking possible is not axle tonnage.Its about how wide is your tracks and removal of overhead obstructions. I repeat,Kenyan and Ethiopian railways both have the same axle tonnage.(25 tones)
You keep talking about Chinese class 1 or 2 railways...
FYI, the major difference btn class 1 or 2 is just a speed.In this case if electrified Kenyan railway can have higher speed than Ethiopian since Kenyans curve radius is about>3500m.So in short,a curve radiusradius doesn't determine a railways ability to do double stacking.

Help us understand the Nigeria South prowess. From what I see - it appears south just export it's young men and women - all over the world including Nigeria North - as petty traders, criminals & prostitutes. The south doesn't export food or anything up north. It north that basically provide the food - both crops and livestock - to south cities. All the south seem to do is grow yams, cassava and plantains for own consumption, act in nollywood movies and try escape the south - to nigeria north and basically the rest of the world.

Kindly tell us outside oil - what exactly is South Nigerian known for - apart from immigration!!

Iwillbegreat:
we in the south are praying the oil should dry up, it's been a curse.

If the oil was discovered in the north, it would have been the greatest blessing for us

Nairobi & Mombasa seem too much for Nigeria slum cities - maybe we should try Kisumu - and see if their slum cities can measure?
https://hapakenya.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Kisumu-City.jpg
[img]https://www.jamiiforums.com/attachments/kisumu-8-jpg.493605/[/img]

Precisely. The south gripe is oil - a natural resources - it a moronic argument from lazy people. Nigeria with oil has not developed. The south will not develop with it. What develop a country is not natural resources - but it's public and private investment.

You wonder if Oil was discovered in the North - would they want a seperate country?

Jay254:
You are an idiot, a govt has the responsibility to equally develop a nation despite the source of money coming from a single source or place.

If you feel the north does not do anything why don't you divide and make two countries.

You're talking oil? What if the oil was discovered in North. It not like the south made any contribution to oil discovery and production. Oil and any natural resources belong to all Nigerians.

Iwillbegreat:
nope you don't get it. We are nothing alike.

Northern Nigeria are like their neighbours in Cameroon, Niger, Mali.

The south stay close to riverine and rain forest areas.

Imagine spending 70% of Kenya money developing Cameroon?

Every country has their "North". Stop looking for lame excuses. Nigeria South is equally poor. Kenya has it's north - that mirrors Nigeria.

Iwillbegreat:
69% of poverty in Nigeria are in The north and it can divide anytime soon

So The south is the least poorest country in the world.

Look at Kenya with their so called small population and good leaders.

You cannot undo the damage that is already the slum cities of Nigeria. The only option is to build entirely new cities like Abuja or Eko. In kenya it just a questions of sticking to 1950 or even earlier master-plan.

Nairobi this year is destroying 4,000 building along riparian regions...including multi-billion malls. That is the price we have to pay to ensure we have planned cities.

This apartment for example is coming down because it sit next to a river. Can you do that in Nigeria?

https://i2.wp.com/knn.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/were_just_innocent_5bc4d148df3d7.jpg?resize=800%2C445&ssl=1

This mall for instance was brought down
https://i2.wp.com/blade.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/mall.jpg?fit=595%2C300

Iwillbegreat:
it's just a prototype for eko Atlantic city..
We plan before going into things unlike Kenya directing all their resources on Nairobi

Our slums are better than your cities. They enjoy 24-7 electricity, piped water and perhaps better schools.

Iwillbegreat:
perfect?

I don't think we've dealt with written articles yet - it been mainly pictures I guess whites also make our cities appear picture perfect?
https://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-modern-nairobi-cityscape-capital-city-of-kenya-east-africa-549814942.jpg

Iwillbegreat:
eya, Kenyas are asslicking the whites that's why they write good articles about them.

You really confused Google Search Engine there? Most beautiful places of Nigeria? Are you kidding me?The slum cities are all rusted and slimy. That is why Google thought you meant Kenya and promptly displayed Nairobi for you.

Iwillbegreat:
you are the stupid one

I tell you it's 9th wonder of the world. It the reason we Africans are seen as sub-human. How do you explain earning 2% of world petro-dollars and having nothing nothing nothing to show for it. Imagine if kenya had petro-dollars...even 10% of Nigeria..who easily export 2M barrels of oil daily...but having NADA NULL ZERO to show for it.

Kur17:
They have nothing to show, with all the oil money and population, it's a pity

Great pictures. I think more such investment in Northern Kenya will accelerate poverty reduction - already poverty has come down from 80-90% 10 years go to 50-60%. I think one more decade and their poverty will reduce to 30%.

Hopefully the new Ethiopian gov and Kenya gov will finally spur trade btw the two nations - and help jump start the economy of the north - together with LAPSET.

Kur17:
Northern Kenya, Ethiopia border

Hahahaha - he probably think Nairobi is a render of some lego city. This is NAIROBI.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/8105281_images14_jpeg_jpeg658ee32f17c11575a3b0ca7897b46cae

Jay254:
Stupid boy, the first picture is a render and not an actual City, the last picture is Nairobi.

Nowith do you understand what am saying?

GDP should manifest itself; it not hidden in figures; except in Nigeria; You can see a rich country; You don't need to go to any economic school to understand that higher gdp would reflect in higher quality of life, great cities, great infrastructure and social welfare - Nigeria GDP is over-cooked by your stats body - so called Gen Statistician Yemi Kale - which is why you're struggling against a country like Kenya.

The real GDP of Nigeria is about 1/3 of the official figures.

Iwillbegreat:
What is the gdp per capita of Kenya with southern Nigeria?

First which rank is that? that places shitty Nigerian hotels in the pedestal. Mombasa hotels win awards nearly every week. Mombasa is kenya
resort city and people travel thousands of miles to enjoy it's sandy beaches.

Don't even start comparing our Kenyan hotels with your shitty hotels!

Quick google

Kenyan hotels won big at this year’s World Luxury Hotel Awards with Sarova Hotels scooping a majority of the Continental, Country and Region awards at a gala event held at the Kulm Hotel St Moritz in Switzerland.

forgiveness:
How come nobody recognised and honour your Mombasa hotels with an award?
See Abuja hotel dusting even South Africans hotels yet you are talking about one local hotel in Mombasa.

You're as always wrong. Not every rail can double stack. There is a lot of difference btw Keny SGR and TZ & Ethiopia SGR. Ethiopia Railway is China class 2, Kenya Railway is China class 1 and your railways is American Standard(AREMA).

Suffice to say Kenya is designed with ability double-stack - with annual tonnes of 20-35M tonnes (if double stack) - while yours is designed to carry 18M tonnes only.

Kenya made very smart choices as always - Ethiopia SGR which started 2yrs before kenya is still struggling - with a single train stalling mid-way due to unstable electricity. Meanwhile by December we should be well into 12 trains daily moving more than 1000 containers daily - doing two trips each. We already have two passenger trains doing 4 daily trips btw Mombasa and Nairobi.

When it come to your Railway - ohoo boy - first you took commercial loan from banks to finance a railway (who does that? - Ethiopia already struggled with China loan and had to ask for 30yrs extension - do you think commercial banks will give you 30yrs!!!!!!!!!!!!!) - and secondly already you have power rationing due to unstable power supply - how will you ran you trains with unstable electricity.

We have probably the best quality of electricity in East Africa but we choose Diesel with electricifiable rail (when we will be ready) - but you've dived headlong into the same trouble Ethiopia find itself.

The quality of decisions you make is only comparable to your fellow Africa laggards - Nigeria, DRC & maybe Ethiopia.

Kazikazi:
You are lacking engineering knowledge. Since you wasted ur time studying history, just keep on being a dullard. You were lied by your stupid politicians. Double stacking is so simple,its a complex matter for a guy like u who doesn't even know simple thing like 'newtons laws'.

Mombasa - Hundrends if not thousands of private beaches - if you can afford beach front hotel
https://t-ec.bstatic.com/images/hotel/max1024x768/579/57953816.jpg

Mombasa - Public free beaches
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/thursday/beach020114.jpg
https://i2.wp.com/www.travelmombasa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/pirate-beach-mombasa2.jpg
https://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/articles/2016/12/23/1059443.jpg?itok=xPkqe7gU

Mombasa - Marine parks protected - several where one can scuba diva and interract with so many fishes
https://ak.jogurucdn.com/media/image/p25/place-2014-09-22-18-Mombasamarinenationalparkandreservee93c8589bc9f87fba5a24175216f88cb.jpg

Mombasa - Mamba Village - The Largest Crocodile farm in Africa
Home to 10,000 crocodiles
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1a/1e/4a/1a1e4a9b8bb6ecf681a64a22a1064b54.jpg
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/08/50/bc/96/mamba-village.jpg
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/10/44/b1/1f/one-of-big-daddy-s-wives.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/11/97/ae1197b14e095fbc61e0301ddaa48601.jpg

Mombasa - Animal &Marine park
Haller Park - formerly a cement quarry turned into animal sanctuary
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9l0Y5ulML5Q/maxresdefault.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4129/5011434219_320e480f88_b.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f8/74/16/f8741674b127e1058671cd76eb9ce699.jpg

Mombasa Infrastructure - Roads, Rails, Port, Ferries, Ships & name it
Mombasa is served by two railways - old MGR and new SGR
https://i.imgur.com/dDdU2fV.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfp3OjDXcAAfKVq.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfqo9O-WkAISoU5.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfqeEfuXkAAt5Ds.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rjPi3Nz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/D0VgOV0.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfp3OjEWkAAEOqM.jpg

Mombasa Oil Refinery- Changamwe Oil - This used to work until recently when middle east made it un-economical - and kenya had zero oil production until last few months.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/image/view/-/3098738/medRes/1269827/-/maxw/960/-/15rs6y0/-/refinery.jpg
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/saturday/ydwvdobctmred57b7774c8098a.jpg

Now it being used as Oil storage as we trial exporting of crude oil - Kenya has done so well without oil - imagine what we can do with Nigeria kind of oil
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/sunday/thumb_mombasas_refinery_r5b143233031db.jpg