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South African troops in DRC have been involved in a firefight. My Afrikaans is not good, but I think the article says 2 rebels have been killed and 4 injured. Waiting for the english version.

Hezron Lorraine: what is this one saying?
Ur post further shows year height of senselessness.
Democracy,what do u know about it.who taught u history or government.

Whenever u are challenged by nigeria's superiority over SA.its either u come up with ur strategies or play,SA doesn't need that cause u are better.
Keep hiding behind the lines.don't equip your spy network.
You think US is wasting money and resources maintaining the strongest spy network on earth that covers the whole earth.
Nigeria may look cheap to you cause you always claim we pile up outdated and dysfunctional toys as weapons and artilleries,but one thing we would always have an advancement over you guys or any other african country is our current spy technlology.
Believe it we have very active watchdogs in many regions you don't know.

South afica is a democracy,u don't need spy balloons hovering over your cities.
Please@craigB.u are the biggest joke here on NL.

And how could you possibly know the capabilities of SA's spy networks? You're saying you have the best spy network based on what exactly? National Intelligence Agency and the South African Secret Service they just sit around doing nothing? You dont know what equipment and resources they have because their budgets are classified,let alone what they spend those budgets on..... so there's no way to compare. Ex Intelligence Minister openly said SA has the capability to perform large scale tapping and hacking, and it is indeed done as well as spying on other countries.

GidiNaijaPikin: Whatever sweetens your tea! Secret or no secret. Carry on as you are!

exposed! Goodnight 007. Maybe tomorrow we can have a drink in Rosebank or Braamfontein, whichever is closer to you. No wait after you return to SA from your mission abroad.

NaijaPikinGidi: A dull brain you are! Is it a taboo the enter a South Africa of all countries? Do you know the places where I have stepped feet on around the world? Don't make a mockery of yourself. How long I was in SA, when last I was in SA and how long I will be there on my next task is not for your knowledge. Right now I am doing my bit on the fringes of of one of the trouble spots on the continent. And of course on the field! Always remember that the day will come ...

Yes we wouldnt want to compromise your secret mission. Saying for how long you were in SA will somehow blow your cover? Lol okay.

Again. You can fool your Nigerian friends, your secret is safe with us.

agaugust: your brain tells you to compare a world class rocketry/missile test and development station with many Phd scientists in control and having state of the art research facilities in lagos, with a backyard j.ihadist or a h.ezbollah rocket improvising cave in the desert ?

you see why i say i wont ask for your junior sister again ? wetin she go born me ? international mugus ?

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You must learn to read and read carefully, it will help you in life.

NaijaPikinGidi: There is nothing I'm afraid would hurt my image. I have been to SA just like I've been to several other African countries on field duties. If you think saying THULA umfana gives any details out about me then you are most mistaken. What if I said the same in Swahili or French? The more you try to figure me out, the more you confound yourself. The day will come ...

Oh field duties... thats what you call it . How long were you here for these so called field duties? A few days or years? Thula mfana just reminded me, told you its not just about language. You've been posting here for many many pages. South African can see what Nigerians cant see.

Henry120: Oga, I know the difference between an SAM and a rocket. Rocket's in nigeria where first developed in nigeria by the biafran army during the civil war in 1967. How is it that in 2013, an army that already developed a technology in 1967, is still developing the basics??

Do you even have common sense at all?

Your next line of argument, is to drag in a bunch of illiterate, ignorant nigerians, who are most likely secondary school drop outs, and "university never do wells" to base your comment on. Are you okay at all?

It is one thing to bring in the opinion of someone who knows is onions, while it is absolutely ludacris on the other hand to use the comments of dumbos as a yard stick for your argument.

Please use another line of thought.

Do you know those comments are from another nairaland forum topic. Those Nigerians have a user name and reply to topics just like you. And since it is not required to show your educational background before posting, what then are you saying? They are illiterate ignorants simply because they dont agree with you? Lol okay.


A rocket used by land forces to power RPG's or unguided rockets fired from helicopters is different to the propulsion methods used in SAM's. Every useless rebel group buys such weapons, meaning the technology to produce them is fairly common. Even Syrian rebels make their own rockets and mortars. The technology needed to produce SAMs is steps up. Reliable burning motors with powerful thrust profiles are hard to produce. Add to that the increased complexity in aerodynamics, gyros, servos etc etc.

agaugust: i wont give your ungrateful self any thing technical to learn and then insult me on this topic again. you are too foolish to know that it takes about 2 minutes to calculate artillery azimuth, not with your own type of brain anyway, for you it will take so long that the whole war would have even ended before you are able to set-up your artillery.

And your small coconut brain is still refusing to admit that a guidence computer is still a benefit. 2 minutes is a long time especially when you have incoming shells from enemy fire. The quicker the better. Very simple fact you refuse to acknowledge.Its fine you can stock up on your Sharp pocket calculators and watch your troops get roasted.

NaijaPikinGidi: Laughter is good medicine to the soul and you can't imagine the good dose I get when you guys wish I was in SA, enjoying "free" oxygen, best Internet, etc. I'm glad that my background bestows on me the instinct and good knowledge of Africa in a way that confounds souls like SAEngine! There's only one country in the world with Internet -- South Africa? I speak more languages than normal. Like myself, just imagine what hundreds of internal/external "missiles" can achieve on your home turf? You don't get it!

I know it would hurt your image on this forum admitting that you are or have been to SA at some point. You forget that its not all about language. You unknowingly leak certain details when you argue that South Africans can easily spot and Nigerians would be clueless about. But its fine your secret is safe with us

agaugust: ...your conscience now grips you for sure. you say you know the technical differences of field and air artillery computer purposes ? you of all people ? i know your level on this forum. you cannot hide it. i know everybodys technical level. am no fool at all.

i dont need thank you from anybody on this forum. i only wanted you to know its not decent to insult back at someone who just explained what you dont know. anyway, a south african will always be a south african. for by their fruits....

I know everybodys technical level

Thats were i stopped reading. You were foolish enough to say a modern field artillery computer is just as fast and efficient as a hand held calculator. Now you dont have the guts to say you were wrong. Your problem, not mine.

NaijaPikinGidi: Titillate yourself all you want. The fact doesn't change. But if you insist, the onus is on you to refute the claim beyond any doubt ... You by now should know the drill. Back in the days in my mathematics class ... when the teacher says "show all working" it means give step by step proof on paper to show how you arrived at your final answer! Until you do that .... SAEngine ... THULA umfana!

Yes enjoying our SA internet with cheezy comments doesnt change the fact that you dont have a spy balloon in what is technically SPACE. Its a very simple fact. You are not 30km above the 53km limit...simple.

agaugust: shows how ungrateful you are. thats why you remain a learner for ever, you never appreciate free information someone spends his time to explain to you, then you pay him back with insults. if i had a man teach me the tactical difference between computer functions on field and air defence artillery, i will say thank you. its not copy and paste info. some of the information you see on this forum, very many soldiers in this world dont know it.

i should have told you more tactical artillery operations today but i wont tell you because you are so ungrateful.

be ungrateful as you wish, what you sow, you will reap.

I know full well the differences. Lol...now that your argument is a dead horse you try to be philosopical.

agaugust: oh my boy, back to my classroom again. your @andrewza south african navy man cannot help you, he is my student too, but his own grade is adult education category.

now my student @saengine, you dont need computers to calculate mathematical azimuth for field artillery to rain down shells over a wide area on a sitting fixed or slowly moving ground targets so no need of split second timing and accuracy.

however, Type 90 is not field artillery, it is air defence artillery built do shoot down guided bombs, fast flying jet fighter aircraft, and fast flying cruise missiles. thus air defence artillery needs split second timing and accuracy to hit its fast targets and only a computer can achieve that result. also, air defence artillery does not use land azimuth targeting.

for once, give me credit and be grateful for my free education lectures granted you at zero cost and no fees on this forum. none of your own country men south african soldiers on this forum has been able to teach you this.

be grateful. show appreciation and acknowledge the help you received for free.

-like you yourself said, no one will sit and wait for an artillery bombardment. Forces will try be as mobile as possible before setting up their own fire stations. Fire then move. If SA is firing our G6 guns at you, will Nigerian artillery just sit there and wait 4 it? So having computer systems on your artillery that calculate and fire as QUICK and accurately as possible is a benefit. That is a simple fact. But your coconut brain was trying to convince us that your Sharp calculators were just as efficient, only because you wanted to be stubborn.

NaijaPikinGidi: That they didn't refute the statement is an indication that NA's claim is correct. If you are waiting for general articles on technical details of NA's military patents and devices ... I may have had several great grandchildren by then.

You underestimate Nigeria a lot my friend, and it's not good for your health.

Lol....there is nothing to refute because its simple not true. This is a proud moment for Nigeria's engineers and yet there arent any GENERAL articles? Not technical details, just articles. Why is beegeagle blog silent on this matter. Beegeagle posts information whenever your generals blink an eyelash. I challenged you to find this original story on the internet, i wonder how far you got. I have no qualms with you deluding yourself really.

agaugust: nobody outside nigeria's missile test and development site/station in epe town lagos has proof of if the missiles are guided or not. or did you enter the control room with nigerian military and scientists in epe lagoon ? a country that guided drones UAV in the air over a distance of 8 hours in flight, will very likely guide a missile in the same air, guidance is a factor of remote control, and their various levels of guidance capabilities. are you a ballistics engineer by profession ?

your basic science knowledge is very very poor is south africa, the colonial apartheid rulers did not let you go to school until it was too late for your generation to catch up with the rest of africa.

Some fellow Nigerians on this forum doubt Nigeria has even launched any rockets to begin with. Now you wana tell me about guided. Your engineers are being paid to launch fireworks.

https://www.nairaland.com/196463/top-secret-nigerian-scientists-launch

NaijaPikinGidi: If NASA knows that we don't have that capability wouldn't it be a great opportunity to as usual call Nigeria out for fraudulent claims? Don't equate yourself to an adult ... Okay you are an adult child?

And thats my point exactly. The Nigerian Army did not make that claim, because they know they dont have that capability. Try googling this so called 84km Nigerian spy balloon and see how near impossible it is. Im not talking about specifications of the balloon, just general articles mentioning it. That ONE website that posted that article either was telling lies, misunderstood or misquoted the general. Or the general was trying to say something else, perhaps 8.4km. Why would only 1 website publish such a big story? Not even beegeagle publishing it? And you still take it seriously? Okay then

agaugust: you were born into a poor english language environment called south africa. stay with your local languages or afrikaans. anything that flies in ile, simple english, it does not have to be a guided weapon to qualify.

missile [ˈmɪsaɪl]
n
1. any object or weapon that is thrown at a target or shot from an engine, gun, etc.
2. (Military / Firearms, Gunnery, Ordnance & Artillery)
a. a rocket-propelled weapon that flies either in a fixed trajectory (ballistic missile) or in a trajectory that can be controlled during flight (guided missile)
b. (as modifier) a missile carrier
[from Latin: missilis, from mittere to send]

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridge

nigerians always teach south africans, english, maths, physics, geopraphy......

A surface to air missile in the modern context is guided towards a target from the ground, using various homing methods.Nigeria does not have SAM's or ballistic missiles.You are launching unguided rockets, simple. Maybe you thought you were clever in your village, not here.

agaugust: is that technical data of a computer's capability you posted ? the operational performance effectiveness ratios capability of its computer ? do you know what computer technology efficiency ratios details means ? did you drop out of high school ? your family...i pity...they have a man that is...

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Does anyone remember when this fool was telling us how computers dont make a big difference? How artillery has been working fine since WW2 and SA having guidence computers on its artillery is the same as Nigerians using calculators. Now all of a sudden he is trying to justify how the Nigerian AA gun is better due to computer ugrades. What a fraud .

agaugust:
you entered into nigerian territory ? you saw the nigerian amry made spy ballons ? you have papers or files of its technical data in details ? you saw that it was made by isreal with 100% proof ? you drink a beer directly from brewery factory tanks ?

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I was speaking to Henry please dont interupt grown people talking. Nigeria does not have a balloon at 84km. If it did the whole world would congratulate you on it. The reason NASA and other institutions are silent is because they know you dont.Your general was the one who was drunk. Simple.

The internet is full of links showing Nigeria wanting to buy spy balloons from Israel last year. If you have any, those are the ones you bought. Simple.

Helium/hydrogen balloons have struggled to get beyond 52km for decades and decades and decades. Nigeria smashes that by 30km and the whole world keeps quiet?? Keep lying to yourself, its fine.

Henry120: *If the army mounts a 12.7mm HMG on that baby, won't it be the right amount?

*Development, under-development, my compatriot @aguagust months ago showed images of test firing of nigerian made SAM.

I also pasted a link( a link with a report made in 2010) from the nigerian space research and propulsion center. With the article stating that nigeria had so far tested 7 SAM's.

* for the spy ballons, even if we haven't shown any real-images, we have provided links with nigerian generals stating the capabilities of the spy balloon, and the fact that it had already been used in actual counter-insurgency warfare.

What is a balloon? It is simply an hydrogen filled balloon with camera's which is able to send real-time imagery and video links to troops on the ground. It operates like a mini-drone, but less manoeuvrable. Simple. What else is there to know?

- You are confusing a SAM with a rocket. Nigeria does not produce any surface to air missiles. Nigeria only has people testing and understanding the fundamentals of rocketry. Funny thing is that even your fellow Nigerians doubt how competent you are in that 1st step. There is a massive jump from rocketry to SAM's.

About the balloons. Your Nigerian general was either drunk, lying, had no clue what he was talking about or was misquoted. Look at it this way.

- In 1972 the U.S launches the Winzen unmanned balloon to an altidude of 51.8km. This stays as the world record for 30 years..

- In 2002 the BU60-1 unmanned balloon reaches an altitude of 53km. It took 30 years to increase height by 1.2km.

- 2013 a Nigerian general claims to have a spy balloon at 84km . Institutions such as NASA keep quiet about it? Do you honestly believe that? You're smart enough not to i hope. Only balloons you have were purchased (or were going to be purchased) from Israel. And those are nowhere near 84km altitude.

Henry120: I have pasted multiple images of nigerian made products.

Granted, nigeria's defence industry is not as large or as developed as that of south africa, nonetheless nigeria's public and private defence industry, is growing at a very very good pace.

the nigerian made 'IGIRIGI' apc is in the class of an otokar cobra, the panhard VBL (series) and the turkish sandcat APC. Very fast, manoeuvrable, and packs the right amount of power.

I have also pasted multiple photos of nigerian made APV's, and APB's of modant and proforce defence.

The proforce "PF1" MRAP is another great nigerian product. Again multiple photos have been pasted including links to their website.

We have seen NNS ANDONI, which is a great seaward defence boat.

I have also pasted multiple images of nigerian made drones, frome amebo 1- it's last improved variant which is 3.

Shipbuilding which includes the production of OPV's for the navy

I have also pasted images of nigerian made armoured catamarans.

We have also seen nigerian made SAM's and satellites, included were photos and links.

My compatriots have shown us images of nigerian made SPY ballons, and multiple links to buttress our points.

As well as making components, camera's and parts of our MI-35p's, augusta luh and the F-7ni.

The igirigi apc, the proforce MRAP, the seaward defence boat, and all other products made by nigeria meet or in many cases exceed pre-determined world standards.

No one here has said that nigeria's defence industry is bigger or up to the standards of the south african defence industry.

What we have constantly nailed at is, if sanctions were to hit the nigerian military, the nigerian defence industry has the capacity to absorb a lot of the effects from the sanctions and still grow.

1. What right amount of power does IGIRIGI pack?
2. Nigeria does not produce any SAM's
3. You have not shown us any images of spy balloons. You've shown us a computer generated image of a concept that could have been drawn by anyone. For example , the so called spy balloon in that image is communicating with a western european jet. Either a mig or sukhoi. Why not put F7 or Alpha jets If that image has anythhing to do with Nigeria
4. Even though Nigeria is trying, nothing built in that country completely from scratch exceeds any pre determined world standards.

This isn't South African, it's French. Initially designed for SA.
When SA engineers wanted to upgrade these systems they found they were too obsulete, wouldn't be financially worth it.
Would be cheaper to design a new system, and the Umkhonto programme was born.

[img]http://img1.nairaland.com/attachments/1195312_saa_1_product_jpg3918f242cc31f834970b483c0c53b5a0[/img]

agaugust: looking for nigerian newly made spy equipment details on google ? secretive nigeria ? now i really see you have a very big thinking problem, beyond medical. try sangboma herbalist. i am tired of having you in my classroom. still thinking about your sister anyway

Then how do you know about it? You found ONE article then ran here to post. What your small head doesnt understand is that your general made a claim you have a balloon 84km in the atmosphere. If this was real it would be big news. Other institutions would be talking about it. Because thats a record. I never asked for equipment details, i said it doesnt exist . You only have or plan to buy balloons from Israel.

NaijaPikinGidi: Fools die hard. Someone wants to spy on the spy balloon? You fail to believe our General then must we believe the SANDFgenerals?

No. Im saying this is something big and new. But zero sources except one website. He either made a mistake or was misquoted. Try search 4 this 84km balloon on google.

agaugust: quote sources for all the claims you made above. am not keen to waste my time, nowadays i select posts to reply.

Then dont waste ur time. No one begs you to reply. 84km would be the highest launched balloon ever, yet no other institution talks about it except that 1 website and 1 general. Maybe you're d*mb enough to believe him, not me. Not one single picture other sources.

agaugust: MRAP technology is in many other world countries too, not only south africa. we chose you to give you business like MTN, and help you make money. nigeria could have chosen china. did we choose south africa for warships technology transfer ? no , that is where you are zero and incapable, we chose china and soon france too.

nigeria is willing to teach south africa how to build a space spy ballon if you are humble enough.

ego is your problem, going to brazil to learn jungle warfare for Congo DRC operations, brazil has zero combat experience and zero war history. no brazilian soldier has every fired one single bullet against an enemy in battle. south africa goes to learn jungle war in barzil because shame and ego will nopt let you ask nigeria for help. thats why your army was defeated by rebel boys of seleka.

nigeria has excellent 15 years of jungle war experience in 3 different countries. pride goes before a fall. come and learn.

has south african military ever seen a spy balloon in their career ? show them this photo below

This same fake 84km balloon. The highest high altitude balloon launched in HISTORY and only one Nigerian general talks about it. Lol okay. Ask your generals to show a real photo of it, not this 3D crap. Only balloons you have you bought from Israel and even those arent 84 km altitude.

Mike..ZA:
Not all,but Denel is state owned company with the primary role of supplying the SANDF with equality weapons. GET IT?,How's the taste of humble pie?

Yeah i know. Just covering all bases b4 Nigerians accuse us of lying.

agaugust: sir, you are suffering from military knowlegde illiteracy.

1. Agaugust says Nigeria can attack SA. Says 150 artillery guns are not enough to protect SA land mass. He leaves out the fact that we have neutral bordering countries.

2. I point out to him that 660 guns (minus 200 useless ones) are equally not enough to protect Nigerian land mass. All of a sudden he tels me that Nigeria has neutral bordering countries and can only be attacked from the coast.

3. I then make the fair assumption that in that case (since we cannot attack Nigeria and hence SA due to their borders), Nigeria can only attack us from the coast. Making agaugust even more delusional than i initially thought.

agaugust: dont put words in my mouth. if i do simulation, i start with list of assumptions and simultaions are very very long with much details and maneuvers. you should be talking on a police thread, not military .

I was the 1 who exposed you as a fraud. I read your simulation and you initially did not let SA frigates fire a single weapon. Thats why the simulation debate started again. You put your own words in your own mouth.

Mike..ZA:
Sorry but Denel is a state(South Africa) owned company. YOU'RE WRONG!!!!! GET IT?

Not all Denel products are used by the SANDF, but a good percentage are.

agaugust: F00lish student, the more i teach you the more you become dumbie

no country can invade nigeria by land without passing through other countries territory. the only neutral way is by sea/coastline. nigerian coastline is small 800km. 660 guns is more than enough, approximately 1 gun to 1 km, and the guns have traverse rotation 360 degrees. go and read the naval blockade simulation and remind yourself how south african navy warships ran away like usain bolt from nigerian coastline far away 50km into the deep ocean to avoid untimely death on nigerian coast

when you dont know combat, ask, dont make yourself to look F00LISH. nigerians will always be the teachers of south africans

Then it means you have become even more delusional assuming Nigeria will not attack SA by land. How are you going to go around neutral Zimbabwe, Botswana, Mozambique and Namibia? You're going to put all your troops on an OPV?

That was your simulation, so its useless for you to tell me to read it. In your 1st version you didnt even let us fire a single shot, not ONE. then you have the guts to call that a simulation.

agaugust: i proved a point, instead of laughing in silence, you should be crying in silence because nigeria can invade south africa as at today with 7 battalions, but south africa CANNOT invade nigeria, our army artillery will send all south african warships, landing boats/crafts and soldiers to the sea bottom before they set foot on nigerian land.

we cannot sustain that invasion, but it will shake south africa to its very foundations. jacob zuma will tremble. it will take many months before you can wipe out the niegrian 7 battalions once they move into your towns and mix with civilians. you will face guerrilla style war from africa's most powerful soldiers...deadlier than seleka !

i proved a big point of nigerian military superiority over south africa. cry and weep for soweto.

by next year 2014, nigeria can invade south africa and sustain the invasion until we end the war in a draw.

if i simulate both invasions for 2013 and 2014, you will weep for south africa...your country is too big for your tiny army to protect, 1.3 million sq km land area and 3,000km coastline.

i dont just talk rubbish, you should know me for that by now. i can have facts and tactics/strategy and hide it for many months before i later post it on this forum.

you ask how nigeria will get AK-47 guns into south africa and arm nigerian to become insurgents and rebels from inside your country ?

ask your police how all south african criminals and poachers got millions of illegal guns and use them regularly to make your country almost the number one murder spot in the world with stolen and border smuggled guns,

http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/The-reasons-why-there-are-so-many-guns-in-South-Africa-20130222

http://www.gunfacts.co.za/illegal_guns.shtml

now back to school my boy, you said nigeria has 50% of her artillery guns with range 11km ? wrong, only 200 have range 11km, another 200 has range 18km, and 260 has range 20km to 30km.

let me teach your south african head some lessons, now listen :

armies of the world mix towed artillery of all types to have 105mm, 122mm, 130mm, 155mm. reason is only the 105mm guns with 11km range are easy to fly by helicopter or aircraft for long distance mobility to new threat areas of combat.

they are very very necessary for a balanced army like nigeria. lesson ends. you are a very ungratefuls tudent, say thank you sir ! say it....

dont make stupid reply to this post or else i wont reply you. dont waste my time, use your head before you post comment, if its not enough, borrow extra heads to join

You can keep lying to yourself claiming to be a teacher, i coudnt care less. SA does not need to be able to protect our entire land mass because the Nigerian Army is not logistically capable of maintaining fronts from the west coast of the northern cape to the east of mpumalanga. Nigeria cannot attack SA with however many battalions you see in your imaginary head, simple.

I wont even engage your peter pan fantasy of Nigerians waging guerilla war from inside our towns. One of the most st*pid things ive heard.

A long range mortar is even easier to deploy than your 11km range guns. It is quicker for mortar squads to setup and move positions, fire more rounds a minute etc etc. Hence we wont even be wasting our time using G5 and G6 on those 200 guns when paratroopers with mortars can do the job.