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MaxInDHouse:
We learn everyday so it's good to meditate on whatever we read in the Bible to grasp the whole thing instead of just concluding that those involved did what is right simply because they are ancient faithful servants of God. I'm not disputing their kind gesture and generosity but what i'm saying and will continue saying is that Jesus never taught them to do that, according to Christ Jesus anyone who wants to help a neighbour should do it codedly without letting others know {Matthew 6:3} note that Jesus never for once distribute money even though he has all the power to do so and moreover when one of the apostles suggested that they should sell what was given and give the money to the poor ones among them Jesus said each person can do that on his own! Mark 14:7

It's better you don't even quote or mention me again because i won't stop telling the truth!

If you can see clearly from your publications that Jesus' disciples were imitating Jesus example and yet imply that Jesus didn't give his support to what they did, I doubt you're a JW. You don't accept truth from bible neither do you even agree with what is in your publications. If I will reply to your comment, you will have to back up whatever you say with a publication quotation from your organization. That way, I will be sure I am dealing with a witness. For now, I won't view you as a witness.

I look forward to a true JW to rebut my posts about the JWs.

achorladey:
the fact that he was trying to draw similarities between what their religious leaders are doing and rope the apostles into it already shows he very much get the point. He is doing every thing in his capacity to seek justification for the flip flop done by his religious when saying the apostles were equally doing flip flop of which he cannot support using the bible.

It is disheartening. They have gone off course.

MaxInDHouse:
[1]Therefore, does the one who supplies you the spirit and performs powerful works among you do it because of your works of law or because of your faith in what you heard?

[2]And God has assigned the respective ones in the congregation: first, apostles; second, prophets; third, teachers; then powerful works; then gifts of healings; helpful services; abilities to direct; different tongues. 29 Not all are apostles, are they? Not all are prophets, are they? Not all are teachers, are they? Not all perform powerful works, do they?

Which between the two accounts specifically mentioned the name of a gentile performing miracles in Jesus name?

What? You are asking about the name of any gentile performing miracle in Jesus name?

The bible didn't specifically mention that, and that doesn't mean that no gentile in the first century ever had miraculous ability. I know you won't say that.

The scriptures I posted shows that some in gentile congregations did have miraculous abilities. It is not only a Jewish thing.

achorladey:
From Sand2022.......





I know you can lie to save your bartered face and lack of self respect even peddling madness and insanities alongside it



Where is the valid indisputable point? You will start running by peddling wahala all over the place. His response to you already shows na invalid and disputable points

Thanks my brother

Janosky:
flip-flop | meaning of flip-flop - Longman Dictionary
www.ldoceonline.com › dictionary › flip...
flip-flop meaning, definition, what is flip-flop: to change your opinion about something.
Flip–flop Definition & Meaning | Britannica Dictionary
www.britannica.com › dictionary › flip–f...
FLIP–FLOP meaning: 1 : a type of loose rubber sandal; 2 : a sudden change of opinion


Oga, @ 1 Corinthians 15:12, did the disciples in Corinth CHANGE their belief, OPINION about Jesus resurrection?

Luke 24:25,45 , would Jesus say the disciples FOOLISH if they believe EVERYTHING Jesus taught them?

Oga,why are you DECEIVING YOURSELF?

That's flip-flop you're defining. I can see the path you're going intentionally acting as if you don't know what I mean.

Flip is to cause something to turn over.

Flop can mean to fail, it can also mean to change or turn suddenly.

It is true that flip flop doesn't capture the exact meaning I have in mind, but I did give example of what I meant using the Superior Authorities as an example. I also use moving from A to B and then returning to A again. My point was perfectly clear. But you keep replying as if your brain got lost or as if you don't even understand what am saying. Now it is clear that your response was deliberate. You knowingly give off point answer to waste my time. So don't be angry if I chose to ignore your comments.

In their book, Enjoy Life Now and Forever, Jehovah's witnesses states that blood represents life, this is according to Lev 17:14. This is true. The book further states that according to Gen 9:4, God forbade the eating of blood. We should take note that the restriction is on eating blood.

In the NT, the same restriction continued, as the book says. Acts 15

28For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”

The book now went further to expand on how this restriction affect blood transfusion. It says:

"What does it mean to abstain from blood? If a doctor told you to abstain from alcohol, you would not drink it. But would you eat foods that contained it or have alcohol injected into your veins? Obviously not. Likewise, God’s command to abstain from blood means that we should not drink blood or eat meat that has not been bled. Nor should we eat any food to which blood has been added.

What about the medical use of blood? Some procedures clearly violate God’s law. These include the transfusion of whole blood or any of its main components​—red cells, white cells, platelets, and plasma."


Here I feel is the area we need to reason out well. The bible clearly forbade the eating of blood, so we shouldn't eat it in any way as Christians. On that area I agree with the Watchtower. However, blood transfusion can't be compared to injecting alcohol into your system. Secondly, blood transfusion isn't eating blood. Let me explain.

If you eat blood, the process it passes is not the same as when you transfuse it. The blood when transfused becomes part of your body organs. Blood transfusion is like an organ transplant, which the witnesses now leave to conscience. That's not the same as eating the blood which serves a nutritional purpose. Using blood as part of nutrition is what the bible prohibits. Instead of banning blood transfusion, it would be better to leave the issue to personal decision since this is an area that we dont have a direct scriptural command.

Second point: Acts 15:29 says we should abstain from blood. The witnesses view this to mean total abstinence. But, do we have to see it that way?

Notice other things that that scripture says we should abstain from...

to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality.

Take the issue of things sacrifices to idols as an instance. Does it mean total abstinence? 1cor 8:7,8 shows that one can eat what is sacrificed in an idol temple if it doesn't cause stumbling. So while the prohibition was on communal eating of things sacrifices to idols, it didn't mean that such meats can never even be eating even when it is sold in a market. The point I am making is this; do not over extend scriptural application beyond it's context, you could end up setting up rules God never intended. God forbade meat sacrifices to idols, but He didn't mean that on no occasion can you eat such meat.

In the same vein, the restriction is on eating blood, that's where the bible stopped, don't extend the restriction to blood organ transplant. God didn't have that in mind while given the law. It would be better to leave it to conscience matter.

There are other reasons why this view makes sense:


1. Taking blood when life is at stake isn't wrong:

1sam 14
33 So it was reported to Saul: “Look! The people are sinning against Jehovah by eating meat with the blood.” At this he said: “You have acted faithlessly. Roll a large stone to me immediately.”

It is clear that these soldiers ate blood. True it is still a sin, however, God didn't inflict the death penalty, why? The situation obviously is understandable, they were in dare need of food to save their lives because of Saul's restriction on food. If God was understanding and pardoned the people because the needed to stay alive, how much more someone who is in need of blood transfusion to save his life, I mean a transfusion we don't have a direct ban from the scriptures? Why would you have to loose your life for that? Is it sensible to loose a life just to keep a mere symbol of life? If a doctor told you to abstain from hard drugs, and as severe pain tried to kill you and that hard drugs is the only way you can save that life, would you think the doctor will restrict that drug from you? We all know that in some situations, a doctor can even recommend marijuana to a patient although it is banned.

Don't save the symbol of life, and then loose the life.

You are guiltless when death occurs in self defense: Exod 20;2-3

In this, we are still assuming that blood transfusion is scripturally prohibited, even though it is not. Some may say it is better to die and await resurrection than to break God's law. That is true in many cases, but since life is precious, God doesn't want you to loose it recklessly. We see this in the example of the soldiers. But we also see it in the book of Exod 20: 2-3a

"If a thief is found in the act of breaking in and he gets struck and dies, there is no bloodguilt for him. 3 But if it happens after sunrise, there is bloodguilt for him."

Now, God forbade murder, but what if someone comes to thief in your house at night, you don't know if he came to even kill someone, if you had to murder that criminal, God is saying you are free. Now this is murder, a serious sin in God's sight, but He makes exception here because he won't tolerate it when one just stays like a pole and have another kill him unnecessarily. Or this might even be one who dies as the house owner is trying to protect his property from the intruder. Whichever it is, what we know is that when one breaks in at night and gets kill there, the house owner can go free.

In other words, some murder was excused because probably, life is involved. Blood transfusion involves life which is very precious to God, do not think that God is happy for you to waste that life just to save a symbol. You're sinning by doing that. The person you're taking his blood will still be alive, so why bother?

Lastly, your leaders might still change this doctrine tomorrow after having incurred a blood guilt for many that have died for this doctrine. It is worthy of note that they had previously taught that taking vaccine and organ transplantation was a sin. Some died for this, but they later changed it. If you die for an unscriptural policy, you didn't die for God, you died for your leaders.

achorladey:
His brain submitted to mumu and no get sense peddling already. You at one time question his response to your post right? That's confirmation of his mumu and no get sense peddling on nairaland

Nawa o

MaxInDHouse:
Among the Israelites only that's what Jesus said! Matthew 15:24

Can you quote a verse where a none Israelites was given miraculous power?

Gal 3:5; 1cor 12:28,29

MaxInDHouse:
My guy, it's wrong hiding behind a finger.

When people come together and each sold a property only to gather the money and share equally among themselves it's a poverty alleviation program explain it to anybody that's what they were trying to do against the teachings of Jesus who told them that there will always be poor ones among them!

One 1980 article, under the heading " The motivating power of Christ's generosity" says concerning this event:

" Appreciation for Jesus Christ’s generosity promoted a fine spirit of giving among the early Christians. Shortly after the Christian congregation was founded, we are told: “There was not one in need among them; for all those who were possessors of fields or houses would sell them and bring the values of the things sold and they would deposit them at the feet of the apostles. In turn distribution would be made to each one, just as he would have the need.”​—Acts 4:34, 35"

People who were imitating Christ. Someone here is saying they are acting against the teaching of Christ.

I will start to ignore your post that are nonsensical and that insults the followers of Jesus. You need spiritual help.

MaxInDHouse:
The signs and wonders Paul was talking about was God's promise to the Israelites only:

After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions. And even on my male slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days. Joel 2:28-29

That's what Peter reminded Jews that witnessed the event at Pentecost {Act 2:16-18} and Jesus expressly said such gifts are for the benefit of only the Israelites! Matthew 15:24

So that's not what Jesus promised as evidence of those doing God's will in the end time.

According to Jesus imperfect humans will come from different geographical locations on this planet and become peacemakers like himself! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah:2-24; Micah 4:1-3

That's the one and only evidence of God's backing as for supernatural gifts all religions today have it what they can't produce is the disciples who are peacemakers and preachers like Jesus of Nazareth! Act 1:8

That's the FRUIT expected of Christianity! Matthew 7:16-18

This occured during Passover. Many came to Jerusalem from abroad. They perhaps didn't plan to stay long in Jerusalem. Now because of the new religion, which they are now part of, they stayed back. This multitude need to be fed. That necessitated the selling of property to feed them. That they sold properties indicates they were poor people. This is not a poverty alleviation program. It was done to feed these new disciples who stayed over.

You can't blame this program for the death of Annanias.

achorladey:
It is deliberate attempt to lie and manipulate the scriptures. It has nothing to do with poor understanding.

Maybe. For someone to read and then give a reply very different from your point, maybe it's deliberate. It may also be he doesn't even understand the point.

Janosky:
Oga,You hate the Bible truth: 1 Corinthians 15:12, the brethrens in Corinth did not believe in Jesus resurrection.
2 Corinthians 13:9, did Paul the apostle admonish them to re-adjust & amend their beliefs?

Jesus reprimanded the disciples, as "FOOLISH" @Luke 24:25, the same thing he would do to you for WAILING.
.

Oga, join those FAITHLESS miscreants & enjoy your WAILING.

These things are not flip flop. God help me. Where went your brain?

MaxInDHouse:
The signs and wonders Paul was talking about was God's promise to the Israelites only:

After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions. And even on my male slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days. Joel 2:28-29

That's what Peter reminded Jews that witnessed the event at Pentecost {Act 2:16-18} and Jesus expressly said such gifts are for the benefit of only the Israelites! Matthew 15:24

So that's not what Jesus promised as evidence of those doing God's will in the end time.

According to Jesus imperfect humans will come from different geographical locations on this planet and become peacemakers like himself! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah:2-24; Micah 4:1-3

That's the one and only evidence of God's backing as for supernatural gifts all religions today have it what they can't produce is the disciples who are peacemakers and preachers like Jesus of Nazareth! Act 1:8

That's the FRUIT expected of Christianity! Matthew 7:16-18

For only Jews? Is that what your church taught you? Nawa for you o.

Whether he quoted Joel has no effect on my point. The point is, that is God's evidence of approval. It's not a unique case, even between Moses and Korah, Elijah and prophet of Baal, supernatural evidence is God's way of showing whom he approves. Paul's point is that in addition to the fact that the apostles confirmed it, God also from heaven bore witness through miracles. That's the point.

Janosky:
Luke 9:45
But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.

Luke 18:34
And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Luke 24:25,45
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken."


The same disciples Jesus opened their minds to understand the holy scriptures, still did not believe in Jesus resurrection @ 1 Corinthians 15:12.

Did the disciples understand and believe everything in the holy scriptures?

Even Peter who wrote Acts 10:34, did Peter practice Acts 10:34 @ Galatians 2:11-14?

But you are here WAILING upandan about JWs.
Are you okay?

Very poor in understanding.

Emusan:
The point Vulgate is around when KJV was made, so the idea of KJV using the comma didn't come from Erasmus.



One of the reasons cite for rejection is that it's not found in the early Greek manuscripts we have in possession today

This thread addressees the reason why scholars rejected it and if their reason hold water or not then proceed to show that the text already in use and can be traced back to 2nd century.

As it was alluded to by early Christians.



Funny, you want something that was removed to still be in place.

So what is in between it?

It's the comma.



Where is your evidence for this?

I reply to the last question.

From a paper by Bruce M. Metzger titled "The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration" . This paper is a classic and authoritative work on the history and development of the New Testament text, from its original composition to its modern editions. The paper discusses the Vatican 1209 manuscript extensively, and describes it as "the chief representative of an ancient recension of the text which goes back to Alexandria in Egypt" [^4^, p. 46]. The paper also states that the Vatican 1209 manuscript has some "corrections made by several hands", including "accents and breathings added in saec. IX-X" [^4^, p. 47]. The term "saec. IX-X" means "the 9th and 10th century" in Latin. Therefore, according to this paper, the umlaut was one of these corrections made in the 9th or 10th century CE, but the paper does not explain why it was added.

Janosky:

In history, was any woman addressed as Babylon?
Not at all!

"Babylon" represents something.... Yes!
empire definition
/ˈɛmpʌɪə/
noun
an extensive group of states or countries ruled over by a single monarch, an oligarchy, or a sovereign state.


Oga, take note:
"Simply put, it means the the Great City, but this city has a kingdom over the kings of the earth."

The city/woman commands global influence, power on a global scale (over the kings of the earth everywhere),in the same manner that ancient Babylon's influence/power extended beyond the physical borders of the Babylonian empire.

In history, was any woman addressed as Babylon?
Not at all!

Fine point. Thank you for bringing another reason why your church interpretation of that woman is wrong. Kudos.

But perhaps you didn't even understand my point.

Janosky:
Oga, your points is not well presented here because it seems you did not likely reference Revelation 17:18 but you had in mind another chapter of Revelation.

If your point is based on the aspect you bolded, that's the verse I mean.

Rev 17
18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”

There "means" didnt make the JWs to believe that "the great city" stands for Babylon the Great.

MightySparrow:
They are not sincere. I have been reading their publications more than four decades. If you follow this thread, you will see that the Jehovah's Witnesses's of today are denying C.T. Russell. They said he was influenced by the church of his time. With the ' New Lights', the old lights and the bringers are discarded.

In the future, 1914 that seems to be the pillar of JWs will still be discarded by the then lazer light.
They don't have any Holy Spirit ; they are just playing kalokalo with scriptures.
They are living in delusion.

That's how they always comdemn their previous beliefs, I mean the so called beliefs that holy spirit revealed.

AnAbnormalHuman:
You have said well OP.

I think many Biblical stuff is always full of symbolisms.
Even the best may always run into errors cos it's some serious complex stuff.

But you also said well by adding that the JWs shouldn't condemn other religions as a way of redeeming themselves from their imperfections.

That Babylon the Great, it's not a physical Kingdom, it's Spiritual.
Just like the physical Babylon ruled over every nation of the world back then, the spiritual Babylonian influence is ruling over every part of the world these days, and it will be evident when you observe trends that flow fluidly across different races.

But the Kingdom Of Heaven is also here with us, so even though Babylon rules, we don't actually belong to it's Kingdom, we belong to the Kingdom of Heaven where there's Righteousness, Peace and Joy in the Holy Spirit.

Fine point.

achorladey:
The reality before us is that, that concept called "Jehovah’s organization" na fraud set up for the worship of humans as GODS

They already know that when we talk about Jehovah's organisation today it refers to the 9 GODS of men housed in USA

I feel it's just the way they understand the scriptures. They are not alone in this, there are other denominations with different theology based on how their leaders understand the bible.

However, different opinion doesn't need to cause this fight among the body of Christ. But the witnesses just have lots of pride and with low scriptural understanding. Such a contradiction.

I don't blame them, had most church leaders equipped their sheep very much without this love of money I see among them, many witnesses would have been shown their errors at every door they knock. And many young ones pay little or no interest in God's word. The witnesses are armed to the teeth with the lies of the Gov body well fixed in their psyche through studies.

Leaders in the body of Christ, not all for sure, but many are just looking for money. We can see the consequences, many are now being deceived with lies and they peddle it as truth. Do you blame them?

Janosky:
You know that Mr Russell applied Divinity of Christ to Philippians 2:9.

Oga, did Philippians 2:9 teach that God made Jesus equal to God?

No nau!

It was a trend common to Trinitarian translators of the Bible to capitalise pronouns ("He,Him" etc) that refers to Jesus.
Most translations do not do so anymore.

Mr Russell is NOT a Trinitarian, he said in page 71 you cherry picked. ( screenshot evidence)

"We affirm the pre-existence of
Jesus as the mighty Word (Logos)—Spokesman—‘the beginning
of the creation of God,’ ‘the First-Born of every creature,’ the
active Agent of the Heavenly Father, Jehovah, in all the work of
creation. ‘Without Him was not anything made that was made.
(Rev. 3:14; Col. 1:15; John 1:3.) "

For the first time, you have made a fine rebuttal. Kudos!

While Russell's belief about the son is in some way different from that of JW today, he didn't see the son to be equal to the Father intoto. He believed that all the son had was from the Father. However, there was a difference in how he viewed the son as opposed to what the witnesses believe today. Secondly, another difference is about the spirit.

achorladey:
The deeds of those that are not even classified is the one you use justify the reason for your mistakes.

For all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction, so that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we can repeat mistakes as much as possible and have hope

Below is your reference


Irenaeus, a writer of the second century C.E., said that according to some in his day, Paul was speaking at Romans 13:1 “in regard to angelical powers [or] of invisible rulers.” Irenaeus himself, though, viewed the superior authorities as “actual human authorities.” The context of Paul’s words shows that Irenaeus was correct.

Even irenaeous did not manipulate the scripture in order to use it as support to ban members going to war

You can just tell us you are after peddling your Mumu and no get sense on nairaland

Cc: Sand2022

Powerful point

I might also add, Irenaeous whom they doubt is a true disciple got the correct understanding, but they came along and kept flip flopping over just that simple truth. What is sad is that they still view themselves as the only true religion with all these flipflops.

Janosky:
John 20:24-27
@ first,Did Thomas believe Jesus resurrected?

Did Corinthian brethren believe Jesus resurrected?

Matthew 26:31-35,69-75, Did the disciples make FALSE predictions?

Did the disciples correct,amend their ways?

Oga, if you want to WAIL about this, please continue.

Proverbs 24:16 & 1 Corinthians 15:12 & 1 Corinthians 13:9,Oga REMOVE am from your Bible, Mr Perfect.

Is it that you guys don't have brains to understand my point or you do understand it and pretend you don't? I just don't get it, you guys are not even rebutting my argument at all. Let me state it simply:

- the apostles make mistakes for sure. However, they didn't say it was God's spirit that led them to those mistakes. For eg, they never said "God's spirit made me discern that Jesus was going to restore the kingdom to Jerusalem now". Never!

- whenever they had a spirit led understanding, they never tomorrow term that previous spirit led understanding false, in other words, they didn't bring up a new spirit led belief that contradicted the previous spirit led belief.

Since the apostles never did that, your situation is different from theirs.

Now, if you say that you are making mistake just as the apostles made, that is, without spirit leading, then leave it at that. Make it plain that your understanding is purely human effort to understand the sacred scriptures. There is nothing wrong with that. The mistakes of the apsotles were just that - human effort to understand the scriptures. However, even under this human effort, I have not seen flip flop among the apostles. Not that flipflop will be wrong in that instants, no. Thats human for you.

Your position is quite different. You say you have spirit led understanding, yet you flip flop. Making me wonder which spirit is that.

Let me tell you what your organization mean. There spirit led understanding doesn't really mean spirit of God leading them to any understanding, but because the bible is inspired, and they make their doctrinal decisions based on the bible, they now concluded that their decisions is spirit led. In other words, they mean that they made the decision from an inspired word of God, as such, the understanding is spirit led. That way, there understanding matches with the situation of the apostles who made mistakes. It is unfortunate that there is no good JW apologees on this forum. Sorry.

So that is purely a human effort. All they tell you about spirit directiing, leading etc, the above is what they mean.

I don't need comments that lack proper understanding of my position.

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 13:9 "our knowledge is not complete."

You are WAILING upandan about JWs,

Even the disciples dey do flip flops, John 16:16-18.

How does that John 16:16-18 sound like a flipflop to you?

Is this what you guys can produce? Shmh

oteneaaron:
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.

A whole Elder like you, see how cowardly you speak.

You said that the holy spirit showed you that Emusan and Achorladey are the same persons.

When it is time to spread falsehood, you mouth starts running like a parrot.

Simply accept Emusan's challenge and prove to everyone on Nairaland how beyond all reasonable doubt, the holy spirit showed you that Emusan and Achorladey are one and the same person.

But you can't accept the challenge, because you are just a coward.

Stop running around in circles and prove that you are not a coward.

Who said he is an elder? An elder and doesn't know their doctrine?

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
You're deceiving yourself big time!

How many apostles did Jesus chose?
Twelve!
How many were inspired to pen down words?
Only five: Matthew, John, Peter, James and Paul.
So when they committed blunder which led to the death of that Christian couple they were all together as the first century Governing Body.

So how do i know that God was using them?
It's because they were able to continue making disciples who were peacemakers like the Prince of Peace {Act 1:8} that's what inhabitants of Antioch noticed before they began calling them "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26
In fact Jesus said all those gifts you're crying for doesn't make someone his real disciple! Matthew 7:21-23

I don't mean by individuals. A group approved by God has His evidence in miracles. It's not subject to your approval. The bible says:

Heb 2

4 while God joined in bearing witness with signs and wonders and various powerful works and with the holy spirit distributed according to his will."

Matt 7:21-23 is not contradicting Heb 2:4. Jesus is rather saying that even with that spirit one has to do his father's will to inherit life. He is not saying that miracles doesn't prove anything. It does.

I fact he had already made that statement before he promised them not to live Jerusalem for the spirit will come and then they will use it's power to preach as you rightly quoted at act 1:8.

We have gone through this path before

MaxInDHouse:
Of course their imperfect human intellect led them to think they can eradicate poverty among themselves not God's Holy Spirit!

I can understand. That question makes you uncomfortable. It can slide. But show respect to God's word abeg. They didn't want to eradicate poverty for God's sake. I have wondered if youre actually a JW.

HISSCRIBE1995:
I noticed that the jehova witnesses around me usually feel uncomfortable when a christian song is been played but they are quick to dance and sing along to secular (even ungodly ) songs.
They seems not to like hearing a christian sermon but would prefer to listen to sermons from other faith (islam)

Now the question is - why do these people react this way but chose to be more positive to unchristian subject rather than christian subject of which they are already familiar with.
It is also a wonder that these people Choose not to be identified as Christians (please if I'm wrong with this assertions you can correct me)
I think these organizations need to be studied very well to see why they Choose to be the way they are (their doctrines, and differences in scriptures)

If you know anything about this group called jehova witnesses, or had experienced some of their reactions, please share so that the church and general public can know more about them and their beliefs without castigasting anyone.

What you need to know is that many Jehovah's witnesses don't even know what their organization teach. Trust me on this. Few that I have met here on nairaland is one example of this. If you know there teaching so we'll, you will know they don't even know what their Governing Body reach.

Some witnesses don't know the difference between secular christian songs and liturgical songs. There organization condemns liturgical songs, that's what they prohibit. They do not prohibit secular Christian songs like the one sang by Chinwo, Sinach, Frank Edward etc. But even many of their church leaders don't know this. The same way most of them don't know their organization don't prohibit beard. All they need to be careful about is only the lyrics.

Their organization will be happy if they play those gospel song more than the secular non christian pop they play and dance shamelessly.

However, their members are worldly deep within.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ that's the undeniable truth!

God's people has never for once gotten things perfectly but despite their blunders they will continue doing God's will that no other group or organization can do!

So stop deceiving yourself blunders is evidence that we are IMPERFECT humans but ability to fulfil God's promise is evidence that God's Holy Spirit is WORKING with imperfect humans!

I repeat:

However, you agree they didn't flip flop under the spirit leading. Agree?
It's not just application, if God doesn't tell you anything supernatural, and plainly, you are likely to reach wrong conclusions. However, when you have reach that wrong conclusions, it is not the holy spirit that led you to it. Your intellect led you there. Do we agree?

MaxInDHouse:
You're the one mixing things up for yourself.

The Holy Spirit is not responsible for blunders that's the effect of imperfection in humans but how do you know that God's Holy Spirit is working with imperfect humans?
Despite their blunders they will achieve what God promised!

Your avoiding flip flop makes me conclude that you don't believe they flip flopped.

No, how you know whom God is using clearly is by His telling you through vision, dreams or miracles as He pours His spirit. If not, you can think that your work is being done for God when in fact you're working against Him.

Neither Paul nor the Pharisees knew that God had rejected them. Only through supernatural works performed by the apostles could be the prove that God has shifted His attention. Your publication agrees with that.

If God has not told you anything, you may actually be wasting your time thinking you're in His organization.

MaxInDHouse:
The matter is simple:

No servant of God has perfect understanding of what the Holy Spirit is revealing except Jesus Christ, all servants of God even though they were inspired do commit blunders during the application of what God's Holy Spirit inspired them to pen down.

So there's a big difference between inspiration and application when it comes to inspiration God's Holy Spirit delivers the message perfectly to imperfect humans and they pen it down just as they were inspired. The Governing Body weren't inspired so it's only the application they're working on and just like all other imperfect servants of God in the past they also committed blunders but despite their blunders they're the one and only group that has achieved what Jesus promised that we will see as evidence that God is with mankind! John 13:34-35

Remember you're the one calling there mistake blunders. Not me. You should be careful though.

However, you agree they didn't flip flop under the spirit leading. Agree?

It's not just application, if God doesn't tell you anything supernatural, and plainly, you are likely to reach wrong conclusions. However, when you have reach that wrong conclusions, it is not the holy spirit that led you to it. Your intellect led you there. Do we agree?

MaxInDHouse:
The Apostles surely committed blunders!

Jesus taught them that it's not possible to eradicate poverty for now {Mark 14:7} yet that is exactly what they tried to do which led to the death of a Christian couple! Act 5:1-11
So you can't deny that they never committed blunders even though they were baptized with Holy Spirit!

It is revealing how you insult Jesus apostles because you want to protect human organization. Your interpretation of that was wrong. Even if it was true, it's not a spirit led flip flop. Try again.