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The research I have done on this subject produced me with different understanding as to whom this group refers to. This post is not to mock any differing view, since the bible didn't explicitly provide the answer as to who this group is, one doesn't need to be dogmatic on this issue.

scholars are divided as to the identity of this group. Some say it literally refers to the Jews while others say it refers to all genuine christians. Deeper Life sees this group as referring to Israelites at the time of the end.

Jehovah's witnesses think the group literally are those going to heaven. They feel that the number started to be gathered from first century and would continue to the end of this world.

There is a good reason to see this 144000 as referring to all true christians at the time of the end.

First, the timing of the event.

Rev 7:3
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrise, having a seal of the living God; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
3 saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we shall have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.

This shows that the event was still future, it will happen before the final destruction of this world. This shows that the 144000 will be available on earth close to the end of this age. So the understanding by JWs that the counting starts from the first century is wrong.

2. Execution of those not marked.

This will help us put a meaning to whom this 144000 refers to. At Rev 9:4, we read:

"And it was said unto them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but only such men as have not the seal of God on their foreheads."

Here shows that those to be spared are only those with the mark on their foreheads. This refers to the 144000 mentioned at Rev 7:3,4. This would mean that the 144000 are all true christians, because it would be unthinkable that only a literal 144000 would be spared from the wrath and the rest of the faithful christians punished.

My submission is that the 144000 evidently refers to all true christians during the period close to consummation of this age.

OLAADEGBU:
1. We don't have the originals of the New Testament, and most of our copies come from more than two centuries after the New Testament was written: While this statement is technically true, it doesn't actually say anything useful to the discussion.

In fact, it barely says anything meaningful at all! The New Testament has been copied non-stop for almost 2,000 years. We're still copying it today. Of course, most of our copies come from after the first 200 years. How could they possibly have made more copies in just the first two centuries than people would be able to make over the next eighteen centuries? It's just common sense that most copies would come later.

The fact is, however, that the New Testament was written in the mid-to-late first century AD, and by the end of the third century AD (or within just over 200 years of the time of the New Testament writers), we have surviving manuscripts from almost every book in the New Testament.³

For many New Testament books we have quite a few! For example, we have 16 manuscripts of the Gospel of John within that time-frame, and for Matthew, we have 12!⁴ When dealing with literature so ancient, this is a vast wealth of early testimony. There are also a fairly large number of other Christian writings whose earliest manuscripts date back that far.⁵ Many of these manuscripts contain quotes from the New Testament, adding even more confirmation of what the original text said. The truth is that we have diverse examples of the New Testament text from very early on, and they all use the Greek word "Kurios" rather than the proper name YHWH. We never once find Jehovah in the New Testament.

http://ow.ly/nZ6b50M7U23

This is the best rebuttal on Jehovah's name in the New Testament I have ever seen. I used to believe that the name should be there following the JW argument, but this site has changed that belief.

"The following year, 1963, an enlarged application of “Babylon the Great” was presented.c (Rev. 17:5) A review of secular and religious history pointed to the conclusion that the influence of ancient Babylon had permeated not only Christendom but every part of the earth. Babylon the Great was thus seen to be the entire world empire of false religion. An awareness of this has enabled Jehovah’s Witnesses to help many more people, from diverse backgrounds, to respond to the Biblical command: “Get out of her, my people.”—Rev. 18:4." - Jv chapter 10.

JWs see Babylon the Great of Rev 17,18 as the world empire of false religion. In other words all religions except the JWs are known to them to be among Babylon the Great.

Pls my work here is not also to educate you and then disprove you. You should know your doctrine well. And be humble to be civil. You curse and then don't even know your doctrine. Nawa for you guy.

Janosky:
Pinkylovely Carry this GIBBERISH outta here.

Are you sure you are really a Jehovah's Witness?

So if someone asks you, what is Babylon the Great, you will start to answer that is an ancient literal city in Babylonian Empire?

Inspite of your lack of knowledge you still insult? Seriously, you have a problem. No person should discuss with you about the witnesses because it is either you're not a witness or you didn't even study before you baptized or you studied but your teacher didn't do a good job or he did a good job but your head doesn't grasp points for long.

Janosky:
According to the screenshot PROVEN you have a lot to learn or continue typing GIBBERISH.


Kpele

This guy sef. Hmmm, and you think you just said something?

The witnesses say that Babylon the Great in the book of revelation stands for all false religions. In other words, all religion that is not Jehovah's witnesses are under the title Babylon the Great. They say these because the bible condemn Babylon for their spiritistic practices.

However, see the clear meaning at Rev 17:
18 And the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”

Simply put, it means the the Great City, but this city has a kingdom over the kings of the earth. It is not even a world empire as supposed by the witnesses. It is a city. It is possible that a city can have influence over other nations. Was it not what the ancient city of Babylon did? Mind you, Babylon was still standing as at this time John wrote this. How do you know if this verse is not about Babylon? There is admittedly differences of opinion here. Many scholars see this city as Rome. Some say it's Jerusalem. Iam not arguing for anyone. We can't be dogmatic.

When arguing Rev 20;13-15, the witnesses usually says that Lake of fire means the second death because that is what the verse said, but they now came to Rev 17:18, they saw means, they gave it rather another meaning when the bible has already told us the meaning.

If you want to teach another, no wahala, but don't just keep condemning other religions for your imperfect doctrine. You may just be wrong and you don't know.

achorladey:
You don summarise their mode of operations and their ways for this your post.

One of their religious publications stated that their are two organisations in the world

1. Jehovah’s ORGANIZATION (WTBTS)

2. Satan's ORGANISATION ( all other organisations you can think)

Reality tells me for Jehovah’s organization to operate and carry out their daily tasks on earth they need permission, legal backing, licence, from Satan's organisation.

From those words it is evident that the antichrist, the apostate man of lawlessness, “the mystery of this lawlessness,” is Satan’s masterpiece in the form of an organization. It is an imitation of organized Christianity and so an opposer of it. As a replacement of true organized Christianity, it finds its expression in present-day Christendom, this name meaning the realm of Christianity. That is certainly a deceptive name, for Christendom is really the most powerful part of Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion, under the emperorship of Satan the Devil.......... Watchtower 1981

The one with the moniker MaxInDHouse in order to separate his religious organization as not part of Christendom was saying that they are not Christians, he went ahead to state that the name has been cursed by God and bastardized by other Christian denomination . That's why God change their name to Jehovah’s witnesses in 193[/b]1 . He will keep going from one thread to another [b]stating that other Christian denominations are not organized look at the above watchtower reference and see how they equally support that Satan equally have organizations of various kind.

They will say anything to look different and clean whereas reality say they are not different from every other religious denominations out there.

I wonder how Babylon the great start to mean all false religions. When the bible clearly says that, it means a great CITY. It is not even an empire, but a city.

You see, I don't have any problem with people having different understanding. I don't even think these understanding can perfectly be known by any human completely unless God conveys it to him supernaturally. But condemning others on the basis of these imperfect understanding is my problem with them. And these have led them to judging themselves as a result.

They once said that "Religion is an error and a racket". As of then, they didn't believe that Christianity is a religion. But now, they see themselves as a religion. Now tell me; have they not become an error and a racket?

They also criticized excommunication when it was done by the Catholic church and called it a pagan doctrine. But now, they are now using that pagan doctrine, even chosing not to soften the sentence of the pagan doctrine.

I keep asking, on what moral high ground could such a people condemn other religion? Do they not know that the same measure they measure out to others will be measured to them? Can't they just take it easy with others so as not to fall on top of their own judgment?

I don't understand it.

lagerwhenindoubt:
I shall (think it safe to) assume nearly everyone (Muslims, Christians, Atheists, Pagans, Traditionalists and Free-thinkers) is at least familiar with the 10 Commandments of Bible Literature (even if some may not know each one by instruction)

I shall summarize for the purpose of brevity; the 10 Commandments is a list of religious and moral imperatives that, (according to the Hebrew Bible) were given by God to the Israelite from Mount Sinai or Horeb. an inscription on two stone tablets which God wrote with his finger and gave to Moses. The 10 Commandments are recognized as a moral foundation in Judaism and Christianity.

The 10 Commandments declare the Lord, who brought the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt, to be God; prohibit having other gods before the Lord, and making or worshiping idols; threaten punishment for those who reject the Lord and promise love for those who love him; forbid misuse of the Lord's name; demand observance of the Sabbath and honoring one's parents; prohibit killing, adultery, theft, false testimony, and coveting of one's neighbor's goods.

That said, Did God write the 10 Commandments and why would he need to? we are clearly told that the Fallen Man (Adam and Eve) possessed the Knowledge of Good and Evil (Conscience or Still Small Voice) and basically had the framework for a guiding sense of Morality. Why did God not give them such Laws? Must Morality be derived from God? is the responsibility to determine what is right and wrong a function of God's Divine Law? are our actions Morally Right or Wrong because God says so? Do we need a Law-Maker and a Law-Giver to know what is Morally Wrong or Right.

When I look at similar 10 commandments of Allah, it still bears the same obviously simple concepts of Morality that even non-Muslims and non-Christians can agree with.

Do we need God to tell us what is Morally Right and Wrong? in such Strict Terms?

Thank you for your time

We always need someone to set laws for all. Think of it this way; would you think that it is pointless for Govt to set laws in a country? I mean, wouldn't everyone know what is right?

Morality is objective, and not everyone sees eye to eye on what is morally ok. We need God to tell us what is right. There should be that Supreme Authority to make a moral decision for all.

dorox:
Bringing a child into the world without the ability to properly care the child is an act of cruelty. If the time is not right then don't bring a child to surfer for your failure.

You tried to send me an email, right?

Templee333:
my annointing became obvious after 2018(march) memorial,I was surely going to partake in 2019,but before then ...

What happened?

Altho the so called anointing is another biblical misunderstanding by the GB. If you're a true christian, you are anointed and in line to partake of the emblem.

achorladey:
That's speaking from both side of their mouth for me. They don't consider themselves mainstream religion yet they want to have all the BENEFITS mainstream religion gets You stated others including christendom, are Jehovah’s witnesses not part of Christendom? Thy will have to redefine the word christendom in order to separate their religious organization. You and I know what christendom mean. Another case of speaking from both side of their mouth.




Many can analyse and dissect their beliefs. They know the length, breadth and height of their beliefs. To amuse you, turning down a watchtower publication given to you by one of their members is enough to be classified as GOATS to be destroyed




At least you know they do go back and forth numerous times over their doctrines. The latest they call new light on John 5:28,29 is a testament to that. Go online and see how they have analysed their latest discovery.





The reason for your why is that their governing body continue to make mistakes and err in organization doctrines and directions and it is a sorry case members are told to obey even when whatever they do and say or direct does not make sense


The latest gb update highlighted what happened in Norway, and this sentence stuck out to me:

“We received a letter that said Jehovah’s Witnesses would no longer receive certain state benefits that are provided to ALL registered religions”

I thought they are different from others so they get state benefits from Satan's agent

My brother the thing tire me o. Wetin de want do with state bonus for religion when they say they are different? They are being supported by the wild beast of this world. It is not strange anyway as they also prostituted themselves with the UN in secret for about 10years before they were exposed. What I'm learning about this GB guys, especially after this UN case is that they do unimaginable things in secret and present a different front in public.

Do you know the one that surprise me? They will still be judging other churches and sentencing them to eternal destruction when they are also guilty of the same crime. They tire me seriously.

MaxInDHouse:
YES! They were bought as first fruit of God's Kingdom so they go with Christ everywhere he goes as the spiritual Jews.

So we who are of the "other sheep" fold {John 10:16} will grab their skirt for our own salvation {Zechariah 8:23} God has given them the Kingdom {Luke 12:32} therefore whoever fails to recognize them is on his own! Matthew 25:34-46

Thanks for confirmation.

Templee333:
Hi there you all followers of this thread. i've been having some difficulties in typing. That's why i've not been posting here recently. But the story is still long. I'll have to tell u in due time how i became an annointed brother in 2018 and resolved in my hrt to take part in the memorial emblem; I'm yet to tell how i moved to Bayelsa state to serve where the need is greater; I'll tell how i spent 5 days and nights roaming in the streets of Enugu state without food or sheler,in an effort to spread the goodnews. If i'm to mention all the cruelties i went through in the hands of "brothers and sister",then this thread will lengthen to thousand. just continue reading...

Wow, seriously? You were anointed and ate that emblem?

achorladey:
In this particular example you gave they didn't even answer the question. They were talking about those who DRIFT/FADE AWAY and those who STOP PREACHING. Instead of talking about those who choose to DISASSOCIATE

They know those who drift or fade away are very different from those who used to belong to their religion.

Question for MaxInDHouse in that FAQS the organization you belong use the words "THEIR RELIGION".

Do you MaxInDHouse agree the religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is among the over 41000 religious groups teaching conflicting and contradictions about who God is?

A. Yes

B. NO

C. Keep mute and run away from my post ;

Jehovah's witnesses do not consider themselves as part of any mainstream religion. They don't class themselves amongst Christendom. They view their religion as the only true Christianity. Others, including Christendom is false and will be destroyed. They don't see themselves as among protestantism.

But their beliefs is often misunderstood by majority of their followers. For example, JWs teachings when painstakenly analysed shows that they believe that millions of members of other religions in this our time can also be resurrected to their 1000 year reign of Christ.

When analysed, even apostates could be among the "unrighteous" that would also be resurrected. Also that even those who had heard God's word in the past can also be among the unrighteous of John 5:28,29.

Most of their members do not know this. Their Gov Body don't seem to make that point stand out. I don't know why.

Janosky:
Is Romans 6:1-7 say anything about "spiritual" death?"

No.

Based on faulty logic,Is God going to resurrect,then judge & punish Adam again when Genesis 3:19 & Romans 6:7 is in your Bible?
This Sand typing GIBBERISH.

This guy sef. Did you even read the bible portion? See what your publication says:

" is different with the spirit-begotten brothers of Jesus Christ. Why? Because, as the apostle Paul explains:

“Do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Therefore we were buried with him through our baptism into his death, in order that, just as Christ was raised up from the dead through the glory of the Father, we also should likewise walk in a newness of life. For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection; because we know that our old personality was impaled with him, that our sinful body might be made inactive, that we should no longer go on being slaves to sin. For he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”​—Rom. 6:3-7.

These, then, have figuratively “died.” After they have the benefits of Christ’s sacrificial death for their sins applied to them, they are declared or ‘counted’ righteous. (Rom. 5:1, 18; 8:30) Their fleshly bodies, with their old personalities, are counted as impaled with Christ. They are then spiritually begotten by God, giving them hope of life in the spirit. (John 3:5- "

Is this clear? You will argue it.

Secondly, did you notice " counted righteous" and "spiritually begotten"?. It means that only these members of 144000 are considered sons of God. The benefit of the ransom is applied to them even now. But other witnesses are much like persons without sonship effect of the ransom applied to them. They will only get that benefit of the ransom after 1000 years as the JW understand Rev 20;5.

That is also why only them eat the emblem because they are the only sons of God on earth.

Learn to understand a comment and provide constructive criticism. I don't even know if you understand the teaching of the WT.

It appears you newly learned the meaning of gibberish. Is this how you respond when you meet people at the doors?

Janosky:
A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”


According to your mumu GIBBERISH, Revelation 21:1-5 is not true because by your faulty logic there is no New heaven and new earth, until after 1000 years has ended.
Therefore,no one "sitting on thrones for judgement." Else,who are the ones sitting on thrones going to judge?

3rd point, by your faulty logic, there is no resurrection because God himself will not fulfill verses 3 -5 or resurrect anyone.
Oga wey dey cheerry pick only revelation 20:5 is a learner forming woke.
TUEH!

This GIBBERISH emanating from your delusion is not JWs teaching.
Oga, you are very deluded and LYING.
Screenshot evidence confirmed that.
Pinkylovely alias Sand.

It's really had to get your logic bros. I just wish someone could explain what this guy is talking about. Did you really understand my point?

The Witnesses interpretation of Rev 20;5 is inconsistent. That too has led to other errors in their understanding. Let's see from verse 4 in the NWT.

"And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.) This is the first resurrection."

The watchtower sees the "life" in that verse 5 to mean perfection, but the "life" in verse 4 as physical resurrection. They say that those in verse 4 are those of the 144000 who are in the grave. They will be resurrected as the verse 4 says, but now when they come to verse 5, they now said that "come to life" their means 'become perfect'. This interpretation then made them to say that billions that will be on earth will only be perfect after the 1000 year reign of Christ. That's how they see that Rev 20:5.

However, notice that verse 5 is a continuation of the line of reasoning in verse 4.

Following their logic, it will be wrong then, to say that the "rest of the dead did not come to life" mentioned in verse 5 means that they did not resurrect. Why?

Because when you use the word "rest of" you are linking the second group to the first. In other words, if the first group coming to life means literal resurrection, then the rest that didn't come to life will mean that they were not resurrected. Simple.

Eg. There are groups A, B, C. If you say that "Group A came to the park, but the rest of the group did not come to the park". You cannot give the word " park" different meaning. Giving it one meaning when it refers to group A and another meaning when it talks about the other groups. Right?

If you mean that Group A literally came to the park, then it will mean that group B, and C did not literally come to the park. Otherwise, you're not being consistent.

2. Another inconsistency in the doctrine is that they see the dead at verse 4 as literally dead, but the dead in verse 5 as spiritually dead despite the linking phrase "rest of the".

It is this doctrine that additionally contributed to their thinking that Christs ransom sacrifice that clears one of sin did not apply to any other person except the 144000. In other words, only 144000 are sons of God. Other JWs are not sons of God.

One error leads to another...

JWs understanding of Rom 6:7 has led to more problems for their doctrine. As a saying goes... "One theological error leads to another". I do respect churches and their right to their own understanding. We all grow in learning.

The JW say that since Rom 6:7 says that he who has died has been acquitted or freed from his sin, it means that when that one gets resurrected, God cannot judge him based on his past life. As such, John 5:28,29 can't be understood to mean that these persons will be judged based on their past life before resurrection. This has also lead them to another error that one of the scrolls mentioned at Rev 20:12-13 must be a teaching manual to instruct the resurrected persons during Christs 1000 year reign, so as to furnish God with another basis to judge people. There are still other scriptures that has been affected by this understanding.

One error leads to another.

First ROM 6:7 is not even contextually talking about physical death, but spiritual death. If you die to your former way of life, your sins has been acquitted, simple. They are rather inputting a secondary meaning to this scripture. Even if we were to look at it secondarily, will it rather not mean that when one dies eternally, he has fully paid for his sins? Yes because the wages of sin is death, but this death is obviously an eternal death, not a temporary death. When one dies, without any hope of resurrection, that is the full pay for his sins. Not when he dies and had to be resurrected for judgment. He has not fully paid for his sins. If after judgment, he is found guilty, he is killed eternally. That is his wages.

They have no birthdays, don't believe in miracles, holy spirit, dresses like a cult, don't celebrate Christmas and refuse blood transfusion.
Are Jehovah witnesses christians? Or they're another religion?

They believe in holy spirit. But they say it is not a person. Their argument make sense on that.

Don't celebrate Christmas. Well, there is a good argument on that, but I won't be judgmental on that point.

Birthdays. I don't accept their point on this. It is a weak argument.

Blood transfusion ban. Pure nonsense argument used in support of such a serious life decision. They should go back to the bible and restudy that subject. They can do better than what they are teaching now.

Dress like cult. How? They are most decently dressed christians I've ever seen. Apart from bad eggs among them who are almost naked, as a group they are relatively well dressed. You can't compare them with any other church on that. Mormons are second. Of course God's kingdom is not about dress.

They are Christians. As a group are they true Christians? Let God be the judge on that day. But as individuals, they try to be morally upright and as such, some can be saved there. Don't make the mistake of judging individuals based on church. Inasmuch as they have faith in Christ and accept his basic principles, don't judge.

The JW are good in judging people based on doctrines. That's how they understand their bible. But it is very wrong to judge people based on doctrine. unless you have a supernatural revelation of that doctrine, don't think that your understanding of a scripture is perfect. You may be wrong even when it sounds so logical. Some understanding are obviously left for human intellect to decode, but not all. Judging people based on their own bible understanding, hmmm. I will say it is best to be open minded, but leave that judgment for God.

Jws are christians with their own distinct Understanding of scripture. Contrary to what they believe, God can still accept other people with a different bible understanding. No one group has monopoly over truth.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ stick to your Jesus while we stick to (y)our GOVERNING BODY, you're not on the same page with us!

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OLAADEGBU:
Richard Ugwochi got delivered from 12 years of madness



Copied.

Has there been any independent assessment of these miracles?

MaxInDHouse:
One thing i've discovered in faithless people is the way they come up with different races against God's organization but the truth will always prevail.
Whoever wants blood transfusion we won't stop him or her but our own God says it's not good for our health! Act 15:28-29

While I agree that God is against eating blood, it however, didn't comment on blood transfusion. Don't you think since the bible is silent, that issue should be left for conscience? I mean the bible principle you quoted didn't comment on blood transfusion. That command is only limiting dietary eating of blood, right?

Janosky:
Oga, stop throwing tantrums.
Who told you that Criminal is in heaven?
Has Jesus Christ fulfilled John 5:28 & Acts 24:15?

In other words,has Jesus Christ resurrected the dead as promised @John 5:28 & Acts 24:15?

Omo, that Criminal executed alongside Jesus,he has no place in heaven.

Who said he is in heaven? Sorry, discussing with you will be very difficult.

Janosky:
You said.
"That guy .....he himself has his own understanding of the meaning of a soul."

I explained that @ Matthew 10:28 & Mark 3:4, the soul is Greek lexicon 5590, meaning a living person.

Oga, no vex.

Hmm even when my comment was to support your doctrine, you can't even comprehend that. How can I then discuss with you?

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you just want to argue so there's no need for further arguments just know that if you're not one of the students under the supervision of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses you are not worshiping our God. Period!

Obviously you just want to argue so there's no need for further arguments just know that if you're not one of Jesus disciples under the supervision of Jesus the head of the church, you are not worshiping our God. Period!

Janosky:
Matthew 24:36-39, did God judge Noah and his Sons individually? According to Jesus Christ, did Jehovah God save ONLY his servants?

Isaiah 43:10 (ASV) ,Acts 3:13 & Acts 15:14-17, did you notice that Jehovah's servants bear God's name?

Hmmm. Sorry your logic is hard to figure out. I wonder if the comment is meant for the post your quoted.

Janosky:
John 5:28-29 = Acts 24:15, resurrection of life for faithful obedient Servants of Jehovah throughout the millennium reign of king Jesus Christ after passing the final test from Satan released from the abyss.
Resurrection of judgement for wilful disobedient ones falling prey to Satan after his release from the abyss.


Acts 2:41-47 & John 20:17,organized for Jehovah's worship.
Not Organization of 3 deities worshippers.


The resurrection of Revelation 20:13 same as resurrection of John 5:28-29 & Acts 24:15.
The millennium reign of Jesus Christ is a period of judgement (to bring mankind to perfection) leading to the final test of Jehovah's servants after Satan's release from abyss.
John 5:28- individuals faithful obedience and passing the final test of Satan is a resurrection of life everlasting.
John 5:29 this is a resurrection of judgement for disobedient individuals failure to attain perfection and succumb to Satan's for testing.

The millennium reign of king Christ would lead mankind to perfection (replace what Adam lost).

I don't understand. Your comments are not articulated. Besides this was meant for someone else.

Janosky:
Greek lexicon 5590 @ Matthew 10:28 & Mark 3:4 has the same meaning.
Man can kill a soul on the Sabbath or save a soul,says Jesus Christ.
Soul is life/living person (living soul).
The rich fool gained the world & forfeited his soul (loss of life/dead) without prospect of resurrection.
Matthew 10:28, God can resurrect a soul killed by his fellow man on Sabbath, but nobody can resurrect any soul (life or living person) destroyed by God's judgement.

Who resurrected Adam? Who resurrected the rebellious sons of korah ? Who resurrected the wife of Lot or people of Sodom Gomorrah?

God rendered judgement on there case.
Their case closed. No resurrection for them.

The Bible translators deliberately interchange the use of Soul /life to deceptively stick to the Greek philosophy of immortal soul.

Shalom.

I don't understand. Is that meant for me? Didn you read my comment well?

MaxInDHouse:
There are lots of JWs out there practicing other religions but deep in their hearts they're with the one and only channel so they will continue to argue here and there until they meet JWs.
But even if you're born in the midst of JWs but believe that there are other channels it simply means you're not one of us!
So the thief is a Jew who believe in the Christ but after meeting the Christ he never hesitate to grasp the opportunity of confessing himself as one of Christ's subjects despite his past lifestyle.

You don't become a JWs unless you become baptize in the faith. That's not even the point. The point is, the evil man got saved without even being baptized. The basic thing needed is faith in Jesus. With that, Jesus can grant you access to that kingdom without answering any query from anyone.

The reason for the point is this; leave the issue if salvation to Jesus, God appointed judge because you may not know for sure whom he will pick as saved.

Check the answer to the question about salvation from your website.

Don't deceive yourself! If they're organized to do God's will there won't be any wars!

What do you understand from the word "organization"?

Whatever you hear from me is JW's teaching (updated) so our light is ever getting brighter!Proverbs 4:18
As for the highlighted resurrection is only for two categories of people:
Righteous ~ those who spent all their lives in pure worship so God has declared them RIGHTEOUS.
Unrighteous ~ those who only lived by conscience without God's laws {Romans 2:14-15} though they don't know God's laws but they soberly subjected themselves to their God's given conscience so they remain unrighteous from God's standpoint but they will be remembered for their virtues. As for those that choose to be wicked they will never see resurrection {Psalms 9:17} they are gone for good.

After the resurrection the Christians will now teach all those that lived by conscience what Christ taught us we will all continue putting on Christ's personality for one thousand years.
From God's standpoint all the people living on planet earth whether Christian or none Christian are like dead because some former unbelievers who lived by conscience will insist on living without Christ's teachings and because it's based on Christ's sacrifice that they were released from the grave, God will allow such a person to live for just 100 years so if after living with us for 100 years without growing older he still refuse to believe in Jesus' sacrifice as what caused his release from the grave he will have to die again and now his blood will be upon his own head because he will die as a youth {Isaiah 65:20} then Satan will be released to test all survivors after 1,000 years! Revelations 20:5-6

After the 1,000 years we will all have become perfect like Adam and Eve so Satan will be released to test all survivors. That is the time each person will be judged based on what they choose to be after they've become perfect. Revelations 20:13

You don't know what JWs teach on this subject. Humbly make research.

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa the error of God's people totally differs from that of those who don't know His standard at all. Note that those who don't have God's laws do so many things that God will not permit his own people to do. So if His own people err it's based on a very high standard not just the common human rules.


YES!

Do you think Jesus sanctioned the errors of the Jewish religious leaders of his day since Jews were then God's people?

I don't understand what you mean here!

2cor 11:5. Never heard of that before?

Satan capitalize on man's imperfection to establish false religions {Matthew 13:25} so it's not God's fault! Deuteronomy 32:5

No none Jews perform a single miracle they only received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues as sign of approval from God.

Hmmm, speaking in tongues is miracle bros. Prophesying is also miracle. 1cor 14

Revelations was the last message Jesus passed so John decided to write his own gospel account which was meant to correct one error! John 21:20-23

The rest were letters from the Apostle who had Jesus last!

Was the book written by John inspired by God?

Courz:
At the bolded, No that's not what JWs teach. From the screenshot below directly from their website, Only Jehovah's witnesses will survive Armaggedon and be saved. You may hear some JWs tell you otherwise but those ones are actually disagreeing with the approved doctrine from Watchtower above which is not allowed in the Cult. You can't disagree with Watchtower.

When discussing with JWs, it is either their way or the highway. They are not people you can sit down and discuss Bible with the hope of interchanging opinions. Don't expect a JW to accept your opinion even if you are right and can prove it with the Bible. It never happens. In case you don't know, Watchtower is Supreme to JWs and whatever they are taught stands even if it is obviously wrong and cannot be found in the Bible. The earlier you understand this, the better while you are chatting with this fellow.

Thanks for the screenshot. Generally that is what they believe about those that will survive Armageddon, but that article is not technically covering all that will be saved as JW believe.

It didn't define who is meant by the word "Jehovah's witnesses". And it also didn't talk about all who die now before the end of the world. It also didn't talk about those who lived before the existence of modern JWs. So it refers to the end of the world destruction specifically.

The guy doesn't know all the beliefs of witnesses. He is trying but there is room for progress.

MaxInDHouse:
God is not disturbed with the errors of His chosen ones {Psalms 103:12-14} what matters is their willingness to make amendments but as for anyone outside God's organization there's nothing for them because God will never ever use more than one channel!

Ok I think you agree, you only say that He accepts only the error of His chosen ones. It's ok. Who His chosen ones are differ from person to person. However, another will say that error is error. Well done.

Jesus was talking about groups led by false prophets {Matthew 7:15} the teachings of the false prophets will not yield positive result in the midst of their followers! Matthew 7:16-18

Almost similar. So the mention is about their leader who is a false prophet.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa such can't happen in true Christianity it's either members obey the Body appointed by Jesus to lead them {Hebrews 13:7} or those who aren't ready to obey take their leave! 1John 2:19

Do the superfine apostles always obey?

God's own organization is headed by a united BODY of elders so it's false religions that could be led by disunited false prophets! Luke 12:23

Ok, this is also an agreement.

True Christianity doesn't give room for diversity in doctrines {1Corinthians 1:10} diversity in doctrines is of the devil!

And error is of God, right?

God kept His promise until Jesus Christ came but after they rejected the Christ God condemned that nation for good! Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38

Thanks for the agreement.

It's the presence of Jewish disciples of Christ that such things occur after their death there's nothing like that anymore!

So you agree that others not the Jews also had the miraculous gift. You do well.

Well Jesus' statement there simply means the end of divine communication so everyone only need to study the Bible, miracles ended!

So 1john, 2john, 3john and book of John were not divinely inspired?