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lexiconkabir:
east that talks about damascus.

Proofs pls.
Amos 1:5, Isaiah 7:8, 2 Kings 16:10 shows Damascus is in Syria and of all the places where Damascus is mentioned, there is no link of it being east of ___!

well muhammad did and even gave full description of the anti-christ. he also gave the description of what jesus will wear upon descending the earth through damascus, coming holding the wings of two angels and jesus will kill the anti-christ right in front of the gates of lud(jerusalem).

Isaiah, Zechariah, Ezekiel, Daniel , Paul, John etc all prophesied all these events in striking details and agreement, some of which have started unfolding before our eyes today.

do you think muhammad said all these out of his own knowledge?

The reference to one-eye and that this symbol has links with a group/cult invented by the spirit of the anti-christ (so identified as early as 80-100 AD/CE,) suggests that Mohammed was not ignorant of them, their symbol and what the 'People of the Book' called them (fore-runners of the man-the anti-christ) hence his declaration! Isnt this logical?

lexiconkabir:
could you give other verses that talks about the east?

There are many of them!
When you say East, you have to give from which point? That is , East of ___ (a Centre point).

1. Genesis 13:11
11 Then Lot chose him all the plain of Jordan; and Lot journeyed east: and they separated themselves the one from the other.
Somewhere not too far from sodom.

2. Judges 6:3
And so it was, when Israel had sown, that the Midianites came up, and the Amalekites, and the children of the east, even they came up against them;
Midianites and Amalekites: two nation that were sworn enemies of Israel

3. Matthew 2:1
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judæa in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
The east referred to here is Medo- Persia (Cyrus' homeland)

etc

and please address the one-eyed prophesied by muhammad(if it is not in the bible, simply say it).

It is not in the Bible.

lexiconkabir:
@scholar8200, with your points i think you agreed that jesus is coming as an arab as muhammad prophesied. i agree with some of your points and disagree with some, but thats not my point. was the anti-christ described as one eyed explicitly in the bible? i wanted you to address that also

No. The anti-christ /man of sin/ son of perdition is described in a number of places but his being one-eyed was not mentioned. My reference to gnosticism & illuminati and John's allusion to followers of the former as early as 80-100 CE, as those influenced by the spirit of antichrist, shows that the common knowledge among believers then (80-100 CE) was that the people identified with the various gnostic and/or illuminati symbols were forerunners to the antichrist himself hence the one-eyed symbol and others could also be linked thereto.





Besides Zechariah 12:9,10 shows that He will be appreciated by Israel as the Messiah(not an Arab).

lexiconkabir:
have anything to say about it? disprove my claim that east means the arab nation(damascus to be precise) according to matt gospel?

Matthew 24:27,28
27 For just as the lightning flashes from the east and shines and [h]is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
28 Wherever there is a fallen body (a corpse), there the vultures (or eagles) will flock together.

Vs 27 makes use of a simile to describe the Second coming of Jesus Christ and Vs 28 uses a parable; just as we cannot read intrinsic meanings with Vs 28 but symbolic, so also we cannot for Vs 27.

Christ Second coming as an event that will end the anti-christ reign with a battle was described in Zechariah 12:8,9,10 and Zechariah 14:3-4

Let me highlight this;

9 And it shall be in that day that I will make it My aim to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace or unmerited favor and supplication. And they shall look [earnestly] upon Me Whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for Him as one who is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Zechariah 12:9,10
They will realise that the Messiah was actually He that they rejected and crucified (pierced) then and will mourn but they will be comforted!

Zechariah 14:3,4 (also prophesied in Revelations 19:11-21)
Then shall the Lord go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.
4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from the east to the west by a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north and half of it toward the south.




This same prophecy was reiterated by John:
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Revelation 1:7

After the battle and judgement of the anti-christ, this will occur:

Zechariah 14:9
And the Lord shall be King over all the earth; in that day the Lord shall be one [in the recognition and worship of men] and His name one.

Reiterated in Revelations 20:4 and Ezekiel 37:21-28, Isaiah 60 etc



The combination of Gnosticism and Illuminati (symbolised by one-eyed diagram and Serpent swallowing its tail) have always being around. Both focuses knowledge and enlightenement; the one specialises in religion while the other focuses the secular. In fact, John the beloved warned of them (gnostics) meaning right from 80-100 AD/CE, they recognised these people as invention of the spirit of the antichrist, a kind of forerunner for the real one that will still come.

adewalker:
. So [size=14pt]I guess[/size] u are saying the bible scholars of the NIV are devils,and the jehovah witnesses are devils,next time I see one,I will tell him,his fellow [size=14pt]christian said he's a devil[/size]....this wat am telling u,that ur preachers already polluted the words,they are attributing to jesus wat he didn't say...ur bible is in pure english,and yet u are understanding the opposite of wat jesus is saying,its amazing hw people get deceived,jst amazing

How right will it be to ascribe your incorrect guess to any one! But any one who distorts, twists, edits etc the Word is guilty meaning you cannot know them except you know the Word and what it says!

lexiconkabir:
LOL, I opened it, but only the mods could close it. BTW did you read my post about the anti-christ being one-eyed?

Yes. Anything?

italo:
Only you can never show us where the Bible said it is wrong to ask them to intercede for us.

Neither can you show us were the idea/practise was either encouraged or practised! Are you not adding to the Word then? Why? Nobody on earth ever implored Abraham, Moses, Enoch, Daniel,David,Mary, James (first to be martyred among the apostles), Stephen etc to intercede for them! In the prayers of Nehemiah (Nehemiah 1) and Daniel (Daniel 9) there is no resorting to Moses or Abraham to intercede for them! Meanwhile, you ascribe the High Priestly role of Jesus to another mortal! That is idolatry!!

dmandy:
There is only one HIGH priest Jesus, I believe that with all my heart and all my soul... and I can ask you my brother to [pray for me through the same high priest just like I can ask any other saint here on earth or in heaven with Christ to pray for me. Do you believe you are a saint?

Pls we are talking about asking a departed soul to intercede on our behalf; this is wrong and lacks any Scriptural basis whatsoever!

Jeromejnr:
Tell them brother.

The problem is humans are afraid to accept change. Especially if you were brought up in a particular lifestyle or teaching.

So they just argue but they have no proof on what they argue about.

Indeed!

lexiconkabir:
ok(i'm saying this for him).

Are you closing the thread? Time to go home?

Therefore He is able also to save to the uttermost (completely, perfectly, finally, and for all time and eternity) those who come to God through Him, since He is always living to make petition to God and intercede with Him and intervene for them.Hebrews 7:25

Who is there to condemn [us]? Will Christ Jesus (the Messiah), Who died, or rather Who was raised from the dead, Who is at the right hand of God actually pleading as He intercedes for us?
Romans 8:34

And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby), that He may remain with you forever—
John 14:16

From the above, we can objectively state that there is but One Who is our High Priest and Advocate before the Father-The Lord Jesus Christ!!!

He that is able to receive this let him do so: the idea of supplicating to and through angels and saints was one of the errors the gnostics sought to contaminate the Church with and Paul, in Colossians exposed them!

adewalker:
. I try to be simple with my words as easy as it could be,the NIV bible threw jhn 3:16 out,the jehovah witness also threw it out,becos they didn't find it in the most ancient bible manuscript they found,It wasn't me that said it wasn't there,it was ur bible scholars who said it,so I said,since ur bible scholars already said its a fabrication,let us now check for the other jesus words that they said is nt a fabrication,and in these words of jesus,there's no place where he said I am God,absolutely no where....now u see there are about thirty thousands ancient manuscript of the new testaments...and and there's no two of this that are identical,some of the manuscripts don't even mention the cruxifriction of jesus,some say directly he didn't even die,another manuscript written by barnabas one of the 12 desciples of jesus,didn't even mention death of jesus,this manuscrip also states the coming of a prophet after jesus...and all this writers claim to have had the holy spirit...ur early preachers,just went to these different manuscript and picked the one that suited them,they didn't ask for the holy spirit,the jst decided to pick the one that suits them,becos they wanted to catch fish...now u mention the holyspirit concerning jhn 3:16,ur scholars that reject this verse claim to have the holy spirit,the jehovah, witness also say they have the holy spirit and they reject it,and yet u also claim u have the holy spirit u accept it...u guys are deceiving urself,any spirit of God,will never confuse humans,rather it will guide them to all truth just like jesus said,and that spirit of truth is mohammad,he guided man to all truth,all ur problems,he gave us the answers...the white man jst came and told u that someone died for ur sins,and u could nt even him ask him questions,becos u already think the white man is always right,u are reading the bible where jesus says,ur God is one,bt the white brain washes u and says no,ur God is three,jesus is saying sumtyn and the white man brainwashes u to understand the opposite...pls my brother,remove urself from this brainwashing and ask ur preachers questions,and believe me,they will never be able to give u answers becos it's nt 4rm God,the hindus also claim buddha is God incarnate,so they worship buddha,christians say jesus is God incarnate so they worship jesus...this is pure blasphemy

You appear to readily agree with pharisees, gnostics & their apocryphal writings, false teachers/scholars and people possessed with the spirit of the antichrist simply because their deeds and actions agree with your position! But realise that only the Truth will call forth frantic efforts by the father of lies, to destroy, corrupt, edit,twist etc But God Preserves His Word!
Psalm 12:6,7
The words of the Lord are pure words:
as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord,
thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever

adewalker:
. I have one question to ask the house,do the christians believe that budha and kisna was God incarnate?,of course they say no,becos the christians will believe its illogical,now bt the same christians are now saying exactly what the hindus,romans,greeks are saying by telling the world jesus came as God incarnate,so the logical questions we ask all this religion is this,thank God they all have books,so we ask them...did this people tell u they were God incarnate?and believe there's no statement from either,buddha,kisna,jesus ,saying they were God incarnate,so we wonder how they got their religion,rather after this great persons died,becos they were rigteous,their people started taking them as God,that's how Buddhism came out,that's hw christianity came out,that's how...so we wonder where they got their religion from

Are you a buddhist or Hare Krishna follower, and can you quote what prophecies/promises (if there was any) from their books? If no leave them out of this! And why on earth where you asked (in the Quran) to consult the Scriptures?


The procession: Promise to Abraham-->Old Testament-->New Testament-->Consummation of all things and all the promises and prophecies etc can not be claimed by any of the ten.

Semiramis/Isis mother of Horus/Osiris aka Tammuz etc (not a virgin by the way but a widow), wanted to maintain the glory she enjoyed when Nimrod her husband was still alive so she , being pregnant at the time of Nimrod's death, lied that the child was Nimrod coming back again and that he is the Seed God spoke about in Genesis 3:15 (this promise of Christ's coming was given after the fall and was passed down. After the flood, there was a dispersion and it appears each group maintained this lie of Semiramis and updated same as events unfolded). Of course people believed her (Nimrod had been a mighty man after the flood,founder of Babylon most important city in ancient Mesopotamia) . (More from,"The Two Babylons", by Alexander Hislop)
Genesis 10:8-10
8 Cush became the father of Nimrod; he was the first to be a mighty man on the earth.
9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord; therefore it is said, Like Nimrod, a mighty hunter before the Lord.
10 The beginning of his kingdom was[b] Babel[/b], Erech, Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar [in Babylonia].
Note that Babel was where the tower of Babel was to be built, thus was his influence!

The roots of the Oldest of them all (horus/tammuz/osiris) whence the other 9 got their'inspiration', clearly shows an aim to steal from a prophecy God had declared which was to be fulfilled in His time.
And as God's plan unfolded, they also were updating their lies to make it look real! How do I know this?
History proves Herod,crucifixion being a Roman practice etc existed at the time of Jesus, but whence the proof for Horus?

An angel spake to Joseph to take the child to a place because of Herod, since horus' exponents did not anticipate a legal father, they changed theirs to the woman who interestingly was called a goddess! Well Mary was not, and shall never be a goddess!(Pointer to why those who derived article of faith from gnostic gospels worship and rever Mary.)

Unlike Jesus Christ, why is the name of the others so hidden? Didn't they also command their 'disciples' to preach?

Where are the records of their life and sayings like we have in the Gospels?

Who were the pharisees that occasioned their 'crucifixion'?

What Mosaic laws did those pharisees claim to be protecting? And as for horus, where was he hidden since the great dispersion had not taken place and the world then was in single location before the dispersion? etc

The same contamination was attempted by the gnostics with the Gospels but they failed: none of their 'gospels' made it into the Bible. (Though unfortunately, many have been deceived by them and the world's largest denomination was concocted therefrom)

adewalker:
. Now wen u are quoting the bible for me,always give me the quotes of jesus,don't give me the words of paul or historians in the bible,all I need is the words of jesus,the jhn 3:16 u quoted above as the gospel of jesus,jesus didn't even said those words,jesus never said it,

Prove your claims! But you are deeply biased! Jesus said John 3:3, Matthew 5:20 but not John 3:16!!! What criterion did you use in your cherry-picking exercise? And how will you say what you are practising right now exceeds that of the pharisees? Remember pharisees believed the greatest commandment in the law!

now ur christian scholars called it a fabrication,so they threw it out of their bible,even the jehovah witnessess threw it out,cos its not in the acient manuscripts,jesus never said those words...so anytime u want to quote the bible to me,pls give me the words of jesus

christian scholars,jehovah witnesses etc are not the Holy Spirit. Besides can you name some of such scholars? We already know that the last days will be characterised by deception and unfortunately here you are quoting their deception! I hope you know the judgement awaiting those who take away from or add to God's Word?

,and its very easy now to get exactly wat jesus said,most modern bible always print jesus words in red,so if u want to quote anytyn from the bible,always quote the ones in red,those are jesus words....so let's us ask jesus the most important part of the gospel,shall we?so jesus answers...he never said believe in a begotten son ,jesus never claimed the only begotten son,NEVER,in the bible

So John 3:16 is not in red??!! This action of yours is bias vividly illustrated!

they asked jesus,how do we pray,so jesus replies "OUR FATHER,who hath in heaven.."He didn't say my father

John 14:2 are Christ's Words and are in red!
In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you

rather he said,God is the father of everybody.

Was this spoken to grasses and shrubs?
42 Jesus said unto them, [size=14pt]If[/size] God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:42-44

and yes for ur infomation,these scholars also claim to have the holy spirit,so except u want to say the holy spirit is taking u in different directions,but jesus never said beget,walah jesus would never say such a blasphemous statement...begetten is an animal act...it belongs literally to poultry animals,God never begets

1 John 4:1-3 said to test the spirits! WHY? Because there are many teachers and scholars that deny Jesus and claim to have the Spirit but they lie! What they have is the spirit of the antichrist! Beware who you support!

adewalker:
. Of course I believe u must be spiritually born again,but what does it mean to be born again,so let's ask jesus.

Sure! Let's go to where HE used that word shall we?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is[b] born of the Spirit[/b].
John 3:5-8 While the man wondered He went forward to tell him how this will be done:

John 3:16,18
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Before you rejoice it doesn't say you accept Him as a mere prophet! Note that!

..luke 13 vs 3"unless u repent u shall perish",mark 1vs 15,matt 6:15,jesus says,"forgive others and God will forgive u",simple and straight forward,jesus is telling for u to be born again,repent of ur sins,

Not only repent,
and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.Mark 1;15.

What is the Gospel?
John 3:16,18
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

to earn God's forgiveness,forgive others

Interesting!!! Learn to consider all that is said about a topic in the Bible before making claims. That place you quoted is not referring to atonement for the soul through good works (Lev. 17:11), there's nothing like earning forgiveness! :
46 and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day
47 And that repentance [with a view to and as the condition of] forgiveness of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luke 24:46,47

,for u to enter the kingdom of God,he says matt 5vs 20"verily I tell u,except ur righteoness exceeds the pharises....u shall nt enter the kingdom of heaven"...simple straight forward to enter heaven u must be righteous without sin...

Yes and it takes true repentance (not a daily confession of sins with no genuine desire and burden to be free) and faith in Jesus for the highlighted to be possible! John 3:3 also said we need to be born again to enter the kingdom!

the most important commandment of all,if I should ask christians,they will say,belive in God in three person,the father,the son and holy spirt.

that's your prejudice in summary!

John 6:28,29
28 They said therefore unto him, `What may we do that we may work the works of God?'
29 Jesus answered and said to them, `This is the work of God, that ye may believe in him whom He did send.'


John 9:35,37
35 Jesus heard that they cast him forth without, and having found him, he said to him, `Dost thou believe in the Son of God?'
37 And Jesus said to him, `Thou hast both seen him, and he who is speaking with thee is he;'

,that God died for him...did jesus said that? Did he?.

YES:
28 for this is my blood of the new covenant, that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins;
Matthew 26:28

28 even as the Son of Man did not come to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.'
Matthew 20:28 etc

In agreement with Isaiah 53:11
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities.

..ur preachers are programming u,my brother deprogram urself..

?

.God says in the quran 5:75"christ the son of mary was only an apostle of God,many were the apostle that passed before,his mother was a woman of truth,they both ate daily food,see how We clear Our verses to them,but see how they are deluded from the truth"...God is telling u,don't allow ur preachers be delude u from the truth...jesus never said he was God,he never mentioned original sin,he never said I will die for ur sins...the white man brot this lies and programmed u with it,its time to deprogramme urself my brother...may Allah help u

28 for this is my blood of the new covenant, that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins;
Matthew 26:28

28 even as the Son of Man did not come to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.'
Matthew 20:28 etc

In agreement with Isaiah 53:11
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities.

MrPristine:
The fruits of the spirit as stated in the bible are:
Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

So you agree with me that if you are truly born again you must have the above listed fruits. Kindly note that it didn't say belief in Christ or accepting him as your Lord and saviour and it is quite possible to have these fruits without necessarily being a christian.

PS: Kindly note that i am devoted Christian who is very passionate about the teachings of Christ.

How did you become a christian?

MrPristine:
Good, if you are born again then you must manifest the fruits of the spirit right?

Yes

lexiconkabir:
"they did not kill him, they did not crusify him, it was made to look so to them, all they follow is CONJECTURE........."(Q4:157) during the most critical life time of jesus, ALL(i mean all) his disciples fled to the upper room, none of them saw what happened, not until when jesus went to them and said peace be upon you, and they were scared and he said i am alive touch me for a ghost has no have flesh and bone(meaning he never died)

1. They went to the upper room after Jesus ascension not during His trial!
2. Peter saw the trial and John,Mary and other disciples etc were at the foot of the Cross. Matthew 27:55, John 19:25-27 Apart from the twelve, there were many that followed Jesus. Luke 10:1, Acts 1:15 etc
3. What meaneth these:
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing

I would love to know these writers, because you yourself said a ghost is a spirit out of a body(meaning a dead person), how then can this equal to a spirit itself?

Luke 23:46
46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

MrPristine:
What does it mean to be born again?

It means to be born of the Spirit;to be saved the condition being believing on, and receiving Jesus Christ.

John 3:6-8

Acts 16:31

lexiconkabir:
one of the biggest: according to my gospel(meaning many gospels did not agree) christ raised from the dead(which implies he on the cross, which he did not)

Acts 3:15 were words spoken by Peter when Paul was still the fundamentalist Pharisee
15 and killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses

The highlighted accentuates an alternate usage of both words being synonymous. Just as some passages use heart/spirit interchangeably.
Ghost=spirit out of a body
Spirit=ghost in a body @bolded, since you agree that a ghost is a spirit(definite:type) that is out of a body(meaning a dead person), how can it be equal to a spirit(indefinite case:it can be of any type). this is simple english, i really am surprised how ghost=spirit to you.

Writers use it interchangeably. I am persuaded that if this discourse was a secular one you would have agreed to this!

MrPristine:
Did you read verse 25 at all The question Jesus was answering with that parable was how to receive eternal life. Go back and read it and stop this futile argument for Christ's sake.

In conclusion, consider a subject with respect to all that was said about it!

John 3:3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

P.S. : Why did the Angel direct Cornelius (Act 10) to seek for Peter to preach the Gospel to him in order to be saved if all Cornelius' good works and almsgiving were sufficient to earn him a place in the kingdom?!

MrPristine:
Psalm 138:2
I will worship toward Your holy temple and praise Your name for Your loving-kindness and for Your truth and faithfulness; for You have exalted above all else Your name and Your word and You have magnified Your word above all Your name!

The bolded sums it up for me, God's word takes precedence over his name.

So you are more anointed than the apostles?

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

adewalker:
the Jesus tells u in plain english,'unless u become like the little children' no heaven for u

It is equally plain that the word humble was mentioned!
Since you accept Jesus' Words do you believe this:
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

,and it is a known fact only the righteous enters God kingdom,so I don't get wat other story is there to argue there,again to Jesus tells u how to get salvation he say"unless ur righteousness exceeds that of the pharises and the teachers,u shall not enter heaven..."Jesus is telling u except u are more righteous than priest and scholars of religion,u will never enter heaven

It means the heart must be dealt with not just the external actions! From where you got that, did you see this:
Matthew 5:6
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
If yes, then you may ask how can a heart become pure?
and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith
Acts 15:9 Has your heart thus being purified as Cornelius' was by faith in Jesus Christ or are you just looking for points with which to argue?

...in john 16;17 Jesus gives a prophecy about the coming of a comforter,note the word he used pls..."Very truly I tell u,it is for u Good I go away,UNLESS I go,the comforter WILL NOT come..."This is clearly stating for the person to come Jesus has to go,telling u about mohammad,I mean common this is english,it can't be the holy spirit,becos the only spirit was already with Jesus...this is telling u about a man coming...mohammad and if u don't accept him and his message,u reject God,and God never forgives blasphemy,

What is Mohammed's role in (i) God's promise to Abraham (ii) the New Covenant?

lexiconkabir:
@bolded, paul did call jesus an accursed of God(gal3:13) implying he never had "the spirit" in him

Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.

I am yet to see your claim here! Paul affirms that Jesus took our place and redeemed us from sin and its consequence:curse. Paul spoke of something already accomplished as the Father purposed it (Isaiah 53:4,6,7,. That passage you misunderstood refers to one blaspheming the name of Jesus!
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Did Paul surrender to and call Jesus Lord?
Phillipians 3:8,9
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

people speaking of contrary spirits by calling themselves SPIRIT OF THE TRUTH just as jesus prophesied the coming of a SPIRIT OF THE TRUTH?? brother, it is crystal clear that spirit in the NT means a human prophet, dont draw assumptions by your knowledge. spirit is never equal to a ghost(dead person)

Christ promise of sending the Spirit was not a new plan:

Ezekiel 36:27
And I will put my Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you shall heed My ordinances and do them

John 14:17
The Spirit of Truth, Whom the world cannot receive (welcome, take to its heart), because it does not see Him or know and recognize Him. But you know and recognize Him, for He lives with you [constantly] and[b] will be in you[/b].

lexiconkabir:
i still maintain my stand that paul was known to be a liar(lies to bring people into his religion) he cant be trusted.

Kindly give me some of his lies

ghost means the spirit of a dead person, check a dictionary to confirm, hence a spirit is never equal to a ghost! thereby i repeat my question, there is no greek word for ghost, how then did it find its way into the bible?

The highlighted accentuates an alternate usage of both words being synonymous. Just as some passages use heart/spirit interchangeably.
Ghost=spirit out of a body
Spirit=ghost in a body

truthman2013:
You failed to address the point I raised. Instead, you run to Gen 6:5, when actually you failed again to address the question raised on it in my previous post. I will repeat myself again. Prior to Gen 6:5, we are told that Adam and eve were to suffer for their sin as outlined account of his sin. 1.) Adam and his wife were cast from Eden - Genesis 3:23.
2.) This deprived them of the tree of life (which deprived them of unending physical life) - Genesis 3:22. 3.) The man was cursed with having to work for food - Genesis 3:17-19. And 4.) The woman was cursed with pain in childbirth and submission to man - Genesis 3:16.

Now from the judgment passed, it is observed that women are still labouring in pain during child bearing and men is still finding it tough to get their daily sustenance, but Jesus died for the sin. How come the cursed has not been lifted since he came to die for the sin and cursed was placed. If he actually died for the sin, then there should have been any problem in those areas above. Explain pls.

Yes, if you read Daniel 9:24-27, you will see that after the death of the Messiah, there will still be some world events before the full consummation of all that Christ's death accomplished. meanwhile, the present dispensation of the Church/Gentiles was a mystery to the prophets then(Ephesians 3:3-7) but this dispensation will be wrapped up with the coming of the prince (anti-christ Daniel 9:26b). Meaning God has His timing just as Jesus did not come in the OT but in the fulness of time Galatians 4:4; Whose time? God's.

And again, was Adam forgiven after all these punishments for his sin?

Forgiveness is preceded by repentance. What I find in Genesis 3 was more of refusal to own up by both Adam and Eve; not repentance.(They had lost the Life hence willingness to accept fault was not there). What's more? the repercussion for disobedience, death, was told them ahead of time;God's forgiveness does not excuse us from the consequence of our presumptuous sins (especially when we were warned beforehand).

Since you deliberately failed to address my question on this in my last post, I'll repeat it aagain:

Now, the preceeding verses of Gen6:5 makes us understand that the Sons of Gods saw and married some daughters of man; then the following questions should be addressed
1# Who were these sons of God?
2#Are they also created in Gods image?
3#There offsprings were called heroes of old/men of reknown (Gene 6:4), what does these things mean to you?

4# According to 6:3 it is said as a result of what the sons of God and daughters of men did in first and second verses, their days on earth were cut short to 120years, is this true or false?
5# How come Adam despite being the embodiement of this sin lived over 900years on earth?

1. They were the angels that kept not their first estate Jude 6. Unlike the ones cast out from Heaven with Lucifer, these ones have been reserved in chains (hence are not of the number that saints today bind in prayer). Another place when angels are so called is in Job 1:6

2.NO

3.The same became mighty men.—Heb., They were the mighty men that were of old, men of name. “Gibborim,” mighty men (see Genesis 10:, has nothing to do with stature, but means heroes, warriors. biblehub.com

4. Just like Methuselah's name was a prophesy of God's coming judgement(which made Enoch straighten up his life after his birth and also preach to warn others Jude 14-16), Genesis 6:3 refers not to age but to a declaration of the period before that judgement. Noah who found grace in God's sight must have known this hence his efforts in warning the people 2 Peter 2:5 That 120yrs was not setting maximum age for man!

5. ?

Evaded Question: "To follow your logic here, are you implying that every other descendant of Adam were seperated from God because of this Adamic sin?"

YES! All that were born of natural copulation. Why did Cain manifest: anger, hatred and murder even after the Lord admonished him thus:
Genesis 4:6,7
6 “Why are you so angry?” the Lord asked Cain. “Why do you look so dejected?
7 You will be accepted if you do what is right. But if you refuse to do what is right, then watch out! Sin is crouching at the door, eager to control you. But you must subdue it and be its master.”

P.S. Vs 7 shows how man was still a free-moral agent responsible for the choices he made!

The underlined is clear enough, perhaps you missed it. The verse didnt say they've inherited sin, rather its say, if they commit and PRACTICES sin then they are slave to sin.

And who was not born (naturally) and did not commit sin(s) as soon as will could be asserted and words could be articulated?!

Present a clearer one please.

Psalm 58:3
The ungodly are perverse and estranged from the womb; they go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.

Then since you said it has been cut off at that time when Adam fell, then how did Job got his own in job 33:4?

Job 33:4 was not Job speaking but Eliphaz. (Job 32:2 was where he started his speech) Now he was not referring the Life of God in man that adam lost; he was referring to the natural breath as used in Psalm 104:29,30

29 When You hide Your face, they are troubled and dismayed; when You take away their breath, they die and return to their dust.
30 When You send forth Your Spirit and give them breath, they are created, and You replenish the face of the ground.
It's an acknowledgement of the creative work of God's Spirit that moved upon the face of the waters before creation began by His Word. Genesis 1:2

Why the exception of the man and his family? Does that mean they weren't affected by the Adamic sin?

Oh yes they were; but the man just like Abel, Enoch etc realised that he was a free moral agent and chose to please God (to the limit of the level of righteousness then). Those who were destroyed were those who yielded to wickedness like Cain did.

You don't get it. Read my reply to your post again. You quoted Psalm 50:5 like this: "Behold, I was brought forth in [a state of] iniquity; my mother was sinful who conceived me [and I too am sinful]". I was actually showing you your mistake that a totally different thing his in Psalm 50:5. I think the verse is in Psalm 51:5; then I replied you by questioning that verse as regards to the underlined, how could a sinful Mary conceive a sinless? Remember Job said a similar thing Job 25v4: how can man be justified with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

That's why I said the seed of life is in the man. David,Zechariah, Daniel as well as Jezebel etc were all born as a result of man-and-woman copulation and were not without that fallen nature. The choices they made is what differentiated one from the other: he that chose to please God was thus enabled eg Enoch walked with and pleased God and God took him; Cain rejected God's counsel and he was cursed!

The ungodly were refered to here, not just anybody hence the context refering the righteous in verse 10-11 that they would be glad that the wicked are wiped out.

I dont know of any one born naturally that the passage did not apply to!

NO

Whence sin in the life of Cain down till today?

Sin comes in when you disobey the commandment of God.
"..If he stops sinning and follows the laws that give life , he will not die, but live. I willforgive the sins he has committed , and he will live because he has done what is right and good..." Ezekiel 14.

Can you specify the chapter and verse where you got that from (if possible the version)? If you were referring to Ezekiel 18:9, here is what it says:
hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord God.

[color=red] You can't possibly hold the above view and still refer us to one Adamic sin. Since those that follow led the law are approved as righteous, then why the need for Jesus sacrifice again?

Because the Law was a part of the Old Covenant and both it and the New Covenant were based on God's promise to Abraham that in his Seed will all the Nations of the Earth be blessed. Besides, when Jesus taught about the law (Matthew 5) it became clear that God's desire was something that was from the heart not some externally strained observances while the inward part is filled with lusts and hate!
God desires that we worship Him in spirit and truth; this transcends external observances!
Ezekiel 36:26 proves this.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

This was God's promise through Ezekiel. Now if the righteousness of the law was sufficient what need was this promise?

lexiconkabir:
@scholar8200, to buttress my point that spirit means a human prophet see 1john4:6 "we are of God:he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know WE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, and the spirit of error" so you see clearly that in the new testament spirit means a human prophet not the hocus bugos you are coming up with.

A person may be inspired by either the Holy Spirit or contrary spirits.
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost
1 Corinth 12:3

Here, Paul clearly talks of one speaking by inspiration of the Spirit. 1 John 4 talks of people speaking by contrary spirits and denying the Truth!

lexiconkabir:
@scholar8200, (1)the verse you gave where paul proclaimed he was circumcised, well i dont see that as a concrete proof, cuz paul has always been a liar, dreamer of dreams, "he his the spirit" that was needed to be tested, i asked for a proof like that of jesus..............(2)maybe you didnt read my post very well or you chose to ignore it, there is no greekword for "ghost" how then did that word enter the bible? this is deceptiveness on the part of those translating the bible. paracletes means "the spirit" how then was "holy" accompanied with it? dont you understand? you ignored that verse that used EVERY cuz it did not favour.

1. Your hate for Paul is obvious! Meanwhile, can we prove the circumcision of David, Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Elijah even Moses? No! Why? For most of them, the records do not include details of their childhood! So Paul's reference to his circumcision is true. You seem not to realise what a fundamentalist pharisee (like Paul used to be) looked like!

2. For the word ghost I counsel thee to consult a lexicon/thesaurus to see that spirit=ghost!

adewalker:
. I always read ur post carefully before responding,and I read it very well,how can u say jesus was not referring to the sinless nature of children,again in the bible,jesus say'bring the chridren to me,for the kingdom of God belongs to the like of them' who does heaven belong to if not the righteous servants of God
,am amazed how people styl don't get simple english,u said I shouldn't read my own meanings,while actually u are doing that exact thing,by reading ur own meaning to jesus words.

What was the background to Matthew 18? Why did Jesus pick the child?
Matthew 18:1,4
1At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Settled!

.........so if u christian say becos jesus ws born without an earthly father,u say his father is God,and becos of that u worship him,now I have an even better man for u guys to worship in ur bible,hebrew 7:3"without father,nor mother,no geneology,without beginning of days and ending,he remains a priest for ever..."This verse is referrring to a man,called mechizedek,this man in ur bible is even greater than jesus,cos jesus had a mother,jesus had a begining,in his mother's womb,this man has no begiining,jesus died,this man didn't die,so since u christians want to worship jesus becos he has no earthly father,this man mechizedek deserves ur worship more than jesus....

Was melchizedek the Word that was with Father from the Beginning? Did melchizedek accomplish any redemption?! stop being ridiculous!

.in john 16vs 7,jesus say very truly I have to go,before the comforter can come...this comforter could never be the holy spirit becos the holy spirit was already with jesus (luke 4 vs1,10vs 38),from this any rational being already sees jesus was talking about someone else,who?

Jesus did not say the Holy Spirit was not around, He referred to the Latter's role in the New Testament
John 14:17
17 even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you
John 14:17 He dwells with you (NOW) shall be IN you (THEN)

mohammad...just like he's coming was predicted in the old testament with his name mohammad written in it........God doesn't work like that my brother,everyman will be responsible for his actions,how can God punish innocent billions for the sins of Adam,when they weren't in existence the,did Adam tell ur or me before he ate the apple,it is irrational for God to put the sins of ur father on u...

God has provided redemption and punishment will be based on acceptance or rejection.

lexiconkabir:
@scholar8200, firstly i have to express how highly disappointed i am in you, you claimed paul was circumcised i asked you to proof it, you could not,

maybe I did not see it:Paul was circumcised and even circumcised Timothy (not for the latter to get saved, he was saved already)
Phillipians 3:4-6
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

(1) the verses you stated clearly shows that "the spirit is a human prophet" for instance 1john4:1-3 which spirit are you asked to test if it is of God? can you test a spirit? no! you can only test a man if he is truely God's sent...............(2) the second verse you gave still shows that a spirit is a man, note that word EVERY[which means they are many "spirits"(human prophets)], is the "holyghost" more than 1? "spirit" in the new testament means a human prophet. spirit of antichrist simply means a fake human prophet against christ! why will jesus use HE(meaning a man not a spirit literally) is the paraclete(comforter, advocate)? dont make illogical assumptions just to buttress your points. i think you ignored my point where i said with prove that that there is NO greek word for "GHOST"

Men prophesied in the Old and New testament when the Spirit of God inspired them. Are they then the Holy Spirit?NO

Luke 12:12
for the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

Matthew 10:20
For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

17 even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you
John 14:17
How would a man dwell in another man?

Jesus used He just as the spirit of divination cast outfrom the damsel too was described as a he
18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And [size=13pt]he[/size] came out the same hour.
Acts 16:18

truthman2013:
We should note that nowhere in the Old Testament is it explicitly stated that Adam’s sin was passed down! One would think that if Adam’s sin had such a monumental effect on his posterity it would at least be eluded to in the account of his sin. Yet all that is declared is: 1.) Adam and his wife were cast from Eden - Genesis 3:23. 2.) This deprived them of the tree of life (which deprived them of unending physical life) - Genesis 3:22. 3.) The man was cursed with having to work for food - Genesis 3:17-19. And 4.) The woman was cursed with pain in childbirth and submission to man - Genesis 3:16.

Do you mean therefore that the state of man as described in Genesis 6:5 was God's making? Is that how man was created? The implication of Adam having descendants after his likeness explains it all!
Genesis 6:5
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

I noticed how you failed to address his main question. I'll have to redirect it back to you. he said: "pls my brother reason with me,where did Jesus mention original sin?"
This is a very simple and clear question. You shouldn't be beating about the bush in an attempt to answer him, precisely, show us where Jesus taught about this original sin. Also, do the jews believe this 'original sin?.

Jesus came to ransom us from an extant and obvious problem, what is the need for man on what he knew he was?
John 8:34
Jesus answered them, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, Whoever commits and practices sin is the slave of sin.

Here sin is depicted both as an action and is personified as a master. Here's where the statement of Paul applies:
We know that the Law is spiritual; but I am a creature of the flesh [carnal, unspiritual], having been sold into slavery under [the control of] sin.


36 So if the Son liberates you [makes you free men], then you are really and unquestionably free.

What was Adam's likeness before the fall and what was his likeness after the fall?
To follow your logic here, are you implying that every other descendant of Adam were seperated from God because of this Adamic sin? Was Adam forgiven for his mistake or not?

Before the fall, Adam was alive in God by the Breath of the Almighty (Genesis 2:7) and in that state, he could relate/fellowship with God. When God said he will die if he disobeyed, He meant that Breath by which Adam became a living soul will be cut off:
Genesis 3:8
And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

This could not have been the first time the Lord came to them but this time, they had fallen and could not stand in His Presence.

Furthermore, Gen 6:7 made us understand that God decided to wipe out man from the face if the earth in other to stop these evil. So I will ask you, were man later wiped out? (I know the context, but I want you yourself to address it. [/color]

All men except one and his family!

Adam was created to obey God's commandment.

God had myriads of angels obeying His commandments already! Why then did He not just create many men to do same? How many commandments were given in Eden? Adam, before he fell, had Life and that Life was expressed!God is Love (not the erotical one) and Love's best expression is giving: Hence God desired a creature that will partake of His Image, Likeness,Breath, Dominion and Authority etc but not against that creature's will (hence the forbidden tree).

Psa 50:5 "Gather to me my consecrated ones, who made a covenant with me by sacrifice." Perhaps I'm reading a different bible here or you are, check your bible again. And BTW, is David mother different from Mary i.e. can we say Mary is sinless?

Consecration does not imply sinlessness! Mary was NOT sinless since she was born through copulation btwn a man and woman, Jesus wasnt!
3 The ungodly are perverse and estranged from the womb; they go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.
Psalm 58:3
The highlighted is obvious even today! As soon as a toddler starts speaking, lying starts!

Jesus should be the one teaching us that he brought an end to the fall of Adam not paul. Again, provide where Jesus made mention of this original sin.

See John 8:34 quoted before.
Answer this: Did God create man as a sinner? If no, whence came sin?

It is either you or Ezekiel is wrong for according to

Ezekiel 33: 7-11 The LORD spoke to me. “Mortal man.” he said, “repeat to the Israelites what they are saying: We are burdened with our sins and the wrongs we have done. We are wasting away. How can we live? Tell them that as surely as I,the Sovereign LORD, am the living God, I do not enjoy seeing a sinner die. I would rather see him stop sinning and live. Israel, stop the evil you are doing. Why do you want to die?

Ezekiel 14-20 “I may warn an evil man that he is going to die,but if he stops sinning and does what is right and good – for example, if he returns the security he took for a loan or gives back what he stole – if he stops sinning and follows the laws that give life , he will not die, but live. I will forgive the sins he has committed , and he will live because he has done what is right and good. And your people say that what I do isn’t right! No, it’s their way that isn’t right. When a righteous man stops doing god and starts doing evil, he will die for it. When an evil man gives up sinning and does what is right and good, he has saved his life. But Israel, you say that what I do isn’t right. I am going to judge you by what you do .”
The verses teach the following:
(1) That No matter how big the sins and wrongs be, “Life can be saved” or in other words, forgiveness/salvation can be achieved by (2) turning away from sins, doing good deeds and (3) following the “Law that give life” , (in other words “law” is not a “curse” as Paul erroneously assumes (c.f. Galatians 3: 13) but a blessing) and then (4) God “will forgive the sins they have committed”. (5)

1. There was a standard of righteousness that was acceptable in the OT and those that followed it were approved of God but when Jesus came, He explained the Law (Matthew 5) revealing the deeper dimensions thereof being God's expectation and which we cannot truly obey excepts He changes our hearts! Hence Jesus said to one who was a Pharisee and a leader of the Jews: You must be born again! He could have said, Nicodemus, just keep it up but no.
And why was Cornelius (Acts 10) led to seek for Peter to hear the Gospel in spite of Cornelius catalogue of good works?

You are deceiving yourself by deliberately putting the bracket word into the verse to suit your claim. Here is the the verse.
Psa 49:7 No man can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for him--
The verse is expository enough for any truth seeker to decipher.

Psalm 49:7,8
7 none of them can by any means redeem his brother,
nor give to God a ransom for him:

8 (for the redemption of their soul is precious,
and it ceaseth for ever
Redemption of the soul is only possible by God and that was the reason why when the Word became flesh, He did not come through natural copulation. (seed of life is in the man hence Adam's descendant was in his likeness). He alone can redeem man because (like Adam before the fall)He was not under the bondage of sin that the natural man is born into, and any who truly receives Him does not remain under the bondage again!

That's according to Paul.

truthman..

Did Paul write this:
Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for[b] it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.[/b]

Or did Paul say this:

28 for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins
matthew 26:28