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Niice one.

The people of Oke-Ogun / Upper Oyo state are making a killing from the export sales of Cashew nuts abroad.

Ibadan is Popular quite alright.

But the Name Oyo is also quite popular because of Yoruba history and stuff.
Maybe to non-Yorubas sha, because every single Yoruba person knows what Oyo is.
Aba is also more popular than Abia, lol... I Don't know why the capital of Abia state is not in Aba, and then it doesn't even help that both names sound similar.

Truth be told, Nigerian states in general are mostly one city states except a few like Ogun and Anambra. Outside the capitals, everywhere else seem to be absolute crap, so expect the capitals to be more popular than most states.

Then there are some nigerian states that no one hears of, not the state and not the capitals. States like Jigawa, Taraba, Zamfara and Kebbi.
People hear these state names once in a while and are like, are those places still in Nigeria?

Turantula:
Thank God I didn't read it before some people will come for my head. Thank God also that nothing like Igbo was mentioned in the whole article, but before the thread gets to next page some people will start blaming Igbos for their ordeal

Igbo wasn't mentioned, but SOMEHOW you just had to use a very sly technique to bring yourselves into it?

Naajjii:
Where do you get your fact from, yes they can be polygamous but just here and there unlike the Muslims that is a common situation, each wife gets like 6-7 kids times 3 it's 21 kids in a family. For your information Dekina local government is one of the biggest in Nigeria and the most populated in middlebelt aside from FCT. Besides there are Igalas communities in Benue, Anambra, Nassarawa,Enugu.

Yes 21 kids per family happens, but HOW MANY Igala families do actually have 21 kids per family? lol pls be realistic , families with 21 kids are rare exceptions in Igalaland not the norm, infact from the middlebelt onwards to down south.
Dekina LG is not the most populated LG i the middle belt get your facts right.
Off the top of my head, I can already list at least 6 Lgas that are more populated than Dekina LG.

Ilorin West LG
Okene LG
Gboko LG
Makurdi LG
Jos North LG
Jos South LG
Mangu LG
Lafia LG

Some people just cook up imaginary figres within their social and tribal circles and chose to believe it all by themselves.
I repeat Igalas are not more than Tivs or Urhobos.
Igalas can believe whatever they like anyway.

darfay:
Fixed

Lol, igabo wayo man wey no get kobo sense for head.

9jakool:
Ok I have a lot of questions. I'm working on a very detailed map of Yoruba dialects. I've researched into the nitty-gritty of boundary split for dialect/subgroup division.

1.) Is Owu even spoken as it used to anymore? The only LGA I know of where you can find significant native remnant is in Aiyedaade LGA South of Gbongan.

2.) Would you consider Ilorin a separate dialect or would you say it's still Oyo seeing that it grew from Oyo dialect? Also where would you draw the boundary for Oyo/Ilorin in Kwara?

3.) Likewise how would you class the people in northern Osun state? Where would you place Iwo and Osogbo? Personally I think Iwo is closer to Oyo.

4.) Actually that map is inclusive of the main groups, but there is a dialect north of Ana that doesn't have a distinct name, most linguist call it Kambole or Manigri or Northern Nago. It's spoken between Kambole in Togo and Bassila in Benin.

1) Owus were decimated as you know.. no need to go into the history, although there are still a few villages, Ago Owu, Orile owu, Araromi, kajola etc are still there like you rightly pointed out, then there are owu sections of Abeokuta North and Abeokuta South lgas

2) Ilorin can not be a seperate dialect at all, everything about it points towards Oyo Yoruba. In parts of Ilorin east and Ilorin south, there is some igbomina influence. really there is no boundary between Oyo and Ilorin in Kwara, Ilorin is Oyo speaking, the other Yoruba groups there being the Igbolo, Igbomina, Ekiti and Yagba. Not even sure if there is anything like "Ilorin Yoruba" except you are using it in the same context as one would use Ibadan Yoruba, Lokoja Yoruba or Akure Yoruba.

3) Northern Osun state has the Oyos: (Iwo, Ejigbo, Ife Odan, Ikire), Igbolos: (Okuku, Inisha, Igbaye ad numerous villages including Offa and environs in Kwara of course), Igbominas: ( Ila Orangun, Oke Ila, Ora igbomina and co)
I am guessing these are the groups you are referring to as northern Osun state, otherwise the fourth groups would be the Ijeshas in Ibokun, Esa Oke, Imesi ile and co, which are all quite northerly).
Osogbo on it own part seem to have been heavily ijesa early in its history, however the Oyo became dominant when a very large number of them continued streaming into the city due to all the constant fighting (internecine wars), and especially after the collapse of Oyo. They speak Oyo now.

4)Northern Nago is different from both Manigri-Kambole-Bassila-Kikele and Ana, there three different varieties, Anas are in Anie (Ana) town, Kamina, Elavagnon, Atakpame,
Even south of Atakpame there are still Ana-yorubas like those in Glei, Esse Ana, Buko etc and those in the region of Tokpli.
On another note, i am not sure if mokole in the faaar North (Kandi, Benin) can actually be considered a proper Yoruba dialect. It can't even show on this map using this same scale.

Then there is Ijaiye dialect that is in the same situation as Owu. There are also groups of Non Yoruba origin that are practically Yorubas now. Don't know how to classify their dialects. Good examples are Apois, some Baribas, Ogoris, Nigerian Güns, Some Akoko Edos. Et.c
They probably all speak the General variety.

darfay:
You this ignorant Yoruba bastard. What do you know about both languages in question?make God punish you and the 3 idiots that liked your rotten post.

I think Yoruba is an igala dialect while the fugitive oduduwa was a run away bini prince
Let's not deceive ourselves here

You think you are abusing me, Na your papa for house you dey follow talk. Oloriburuku somebody.

Naajjii:
For your information half of Igalas are muslims and act like hausas with more than one wife and high birth rate.

is high birth rate particular to any ethnic group?

A village tiv man in Gboko can have 11 kids from just one wife. They are the majority in Benue, but also significant in Nasarawa, Taraba and even northern Cross river... besides many people in rural areas are polygamous irrespective of religion.
Urhobos can also be polygamous even while being christian. They occupy the whole of Delta central and part of Warri South in Delta South, that is already more than Igalas who are like 40% of Kogi state with scattered communities elsewhere.

alizma:
from the table attached, you can see that despite there was increasing figure of each tribes's population by the years, the percentage population of those tribes, when expressed as percentage of total population fell at the end of 5th year while that of Hausa/Fulani increases. this is because the rate at which Hausa/Fulani reproduce is higher than others. base yr percentage used is the same as old CIA percentage you quoted yesterday. I hope this explanation will change your understanding

www.nairaland.com/attachments/8156643_tmpcam1560102642_jpegc2e0b91dcd81c04e34536ba9c8a70d1a

Where is this report from?
And how did they calculate the rate by which each tribe was increasing over the years?

Caseless:
you make me laugh when you say because igala is 1% , urhobo should be there. Lol! Urhobo people are more popular for the crisis they and itsekiri were having than their numbers. I told someone on another thread that, igala people are not happy with the mistake they made in the 1973 elections which saw Tiv having an imaginary higher number over the igalas - you know that census forms the basis for every figure you see today. They made mistake of failing to come out and be counted. In their own words, they felt coming out and to be counted would mean the government will force them to pay more taxes.

As for the ijaws, they're even far less than 2%.

Don't be silly Tivs are more than Igalas.
Urhobos very likely more too.

MXrep:
While this stat is false truth remains that igbos outnumber yorubas in Nigeria. Like someone said before 1963 census is not reliable because Nigeria factor has already crept in. 1921 was purely colonial and more reliable. This is a 1933 document quoting the 1921 census.

even if we assume an headcount actually happened in 1921. for goodness sakes do you kow the difference between 1921 and now? Thats a friggin century.
Within that same time frame, Nigeria has gone from nowhere on the world list of most populated countries to number 7 globally. Heck in 1921 England was more populated than Nigeria plus Ghana plus Liberia plus Sierra Leone, not to mention the whole of the UK. And here you are quoting population figures from that ara like it is supposed to hod any statistical value?

MXrep:
While this stat is false truth remains that igbos outnumber yorubas in Nigeria. Like someone said before 1963 census is not reliable because Nigeria factor has already crept in. 1921 was purely colonial and more reliable. This is a 1933 document quoting the 1921 census.

lol, ok so you finally admit the stat is false, but also finally reveal you are just here to argue that Igbos are more than Yorubas in Nigeria, which is false.

oilPUSSY:
Check the number of Igbos outside Igbo land then compare it with other tribes men that are outside their region and see the gap..

It still won't cover up all the deficit in the telecoms data figures. the gap between the SW and the others is just too much. Besides, what about the Yorubas in other regions too. Let all of us start extrapolating the figures for our different diaspora na.

Like seriously this was what the figures were in 2016
1* LAGOS - 12,620,662
2* OGUN - 5,629,424
3* OYO - 4,908,092
4* KADUNA - 4,231,710
5* KANO - 4,134,266

6* F.C.T - 4,132,172
7* RIVERS - 3,853,300
8* NIGER - 3,301,721
9* DELTA - 3,225,365
10* EDO - 3,144,922

11* ANAMBRA - 2,608,805
12* BENUE - 2,424,091
13* OSUN - 2,284,205
14* ONDO - 2,240,949
15* NASARAWA - 2,175,394

16* KWARA - 2,115,199
17* KOGI - 2,040,082
18* IMO - 2,023,867
19* ABIA - 2,010,551
20* PLATEAU - 1,921,857

21* KATSINA - 1,887,194
22* ENUGU - 1,873,467
23* AKWA IBOM - 1,861,330
24* ADAMAWA - 1,621,508
25* BAUCHI - 1,559,609

26* CROSS RIVER - 1,375,251
27* BORNO - 1,347,355
28* SOKOTO - 1,264,793
29* KEBBI - 1,162,543
30* TARABA - 1,154,720

31* GOMBE - 1,063,522
32* JIGAWA - 898,399
33* EKITI - 879,702
34* ZAMFARA - 851,669
35* EBONYI - 796,519
36* BAYELSA - 732,777

37* YOBE - 694,631
** OTHERS (UNIDENTIFIED) - 373,113

Total Nigeria Active Internet Subscriptions: 92,424,736

REGIONS:
South West = 28,563,034 Active Internet Subscriptions (31.0%)
South South = 14,192,945 Active Internet Subscriptions (15.35%)
South East = 9,313,209 Active Internet Subscriptions (10.0%)

North West = 14,430,574 Active Internet Subscriptions (15.61%)
North Central = 13,978,344 Active Internet Subscriptions (15.12%)
North East = 7,441,345 Active Internet Subscriptions (8.05%)

F.C.T = 4,132,172 Active Internet Subscriptions (4.47%)

bigfrancis21:
It's all assumptions bro. US people aren't that superficial as we tend to be in Nigeria. Before anything is released, it is well-researched, checked and vetted. Yes, mistakes often happen but it is FAR unlikely that they would base their recent statistics on some old 1963 census.

By the way, the 1963 census is clearly biased and different from the 1921 census that I consider to be the most decent one in Nigeria's history. By 1963, it is clear that the 'Nigerian factor' had clearly set in, 'mago mago' and tribalistic statistics were starting to be released.

So chill, go grab some pop corn and join me while we digest the new census data that closely mirrors that of 1921. *munches loudly on some Chick Fil' A popcorn*

1 No population headcount happened in 1921. What happened then is probably same as what just happened now, Difference being ignorant colonists vs Ignorant American government agency making..... Yes, Guesses.. Besides I am not saying the US agency is biased or superficial, I am just simply saying the figures are most likely wrong. Which is very very possible. Heck, the best of their intelligence units can't even get a simple election result prediction under their noses right.

2- If it is actually a RESEARCH like you claim it is, where is the methodology and report, or better still How and when was it done like the OP rightly asked?

3 how can you possibly believe Igalas are more than URHOBOS, Nupes or even Edos? Common be serious.... #*Stern Face*

bigfrancis21:
It's possible bro. You may have been believing false statistics all these while.

Instead of you to take those figures with a pinch of salt, and argue why Igbos can not be 14.1% of Nigeria, you are quoting me because i said no way Yorubas can be a mere 13.9% of Nigeria, simply because the igbos outnumber the yorubas by 0.2 percentage points. Worse still, you aren't even talking about the impossible Hausa figures.okay na.

At least the old figures had a basis... What is the basis/statistical support behind the new figures

Eziokwu is probably the CIA Nigerian staff that changed it without any backing proof. But seriously though use your head na..... if you seriously believe Yorubas are less than 20% of Nigeria, that means Yorubas are indeed super humans to influence Nigeria this much with such little percentage share.

Eziokwu1:
But Nigerians like quoting the same old CIA figures that said Igbos are only 18% while Hausa-Fulani are 29% of Nigeria. lolz

Contrary to your write up and qhat I just quoted you on, the old CIA figures are actually based on the result of an Old Nigerian census that included ethnic and religious data. They probably just did their own little tweaking to it and published it as research. EVeryone knows these western agencies know jackshit about Africa or Nigeria ...

This was where the old figures came from. It was the result of Nigeria's 1963 census, that was done before the civil war.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2568779_48myjko_jpegcecde0d41350fd4fee05703ffa3d97bf

See, Before G.E.J came to power Ijaws have always been at 2% on that C.I.A and other sources Website. It was when the Niger Delta Militant crisis and Jonathan's ascension occured than They suddenly shot up to 10%.

As you can see, the old figures roughly corresponds to the new one, which was what they had up before like some sort of Ingenious research. Fulani plus Hausa, roughly 29%, Yoruba about 21%, Kanuris about 4%, Ibibis 3.5% yada yada..... They probably tweaked the figures and bumped Igbos up to 18 .... and so forth.....

I am sorry but this is total B.S

No way in Hell Yorubas are 13 point something Percent of Nigeria.
Are you shittting me? Funny. Infact any figure below 20% if unacceptable for the Yorubas.

Yorubas must be Superhumans to influence Nigeria and Nigerians as much as they do with just 13.9%

NOC1:
Is Aunty Linda a bitter soul?

Her blog no dey sell again.
And InstaBlog Naija is the biggest celebrity, trends, gossip etc page on Instagram largely responsible for the decline in her website's popularity.

bigfrancis21:
First, Itshekiri is not a yoruba dialect. It is a full language on its own. Second, there is not but one bit of Itshekiri trace in Rivers state. Or, is this your sleek way of trying to claim oil-rich Rivers State?

loooool....

Ika, and even Izzi, Ezza, Afikpo, Ekpeye e.tc that are not even mutually intelligible to igbo are Igbo dialects according to this guy.... while Itsekiri is a Language (which I agree to btw)

Igwe ELECT?

Oh pls, Nigeria is a democracy and anyone with the right credentials has the unreserved rights to run for political office.
Wetin concern the likes of Sowore or Ezekwesili with your primordial tribal political schemings.... Mtcheew.

Na waa.

Edodefender:
don't you know? Why do yorubas say oduduwa came from the sky banished?

The former dynasty of Benin is ogiso, meaning*king of the sky*

All kings in Yoruba land are Benin

So you are calling your present oba, the descendant of a bush pig if that were the case?

GTB are not your mates, I doubt they will even dignify sterling bank with a response.

All these small small banks are always the ones looking for trouble to generate cheap publicity....

..

But this isn't a Yoruba woman or yoruba mark na......

Mumu Atikulooters

What did Atiku say about the Mambila vs Fulani clash in Taraba state earlier this year?

Blood will always be thicker than water.

prolog2:
Don't call her that, one day you will be as old as her, would you like being called "as good as dead" ? We are all growing old, let's respect age rather than mock age.

Well I pray I even live up to her age... I am just blut with the truth, that is how I am. That is not mockery pls, yu don't know what mockery is?
Life expectancy in the Uk for females is 83 yrs, she is way past that.
And you didnt have anything to say to the rest of my comments except about eliza's age?

RedboneSmith:
So a prince, a mere prince o not even a king, comes to town and Kings of old glorious kingdoms left their palaces and journeyed long distances to take a photo with him where his seat is symbolically positioned ahead of all of them.

And the fawning monkeys we are, we are here bragging about which Kings got the seats closest to the prince.

A mere prince.

Tufia! We have chop shït.

He is next in line though. Crown Prince.
Eliza is as good as dead, and he is the King in Making... but you still make sense.

I wonder why they didn't all sit at a round table.

When this man was in Ghana 2-3 days ago he visited the palace of the Asantehene in Kumasi , but with the complexities of Nigeria, I guess he can't possibly visit all those royal palaces in his short stay and hence whey they had to meet in Abuja. So tis is not a racial issue.

Still sha, the sitting arrangement was terrible, Hierarchy or not.