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alBHAGDADI:
Demons aren't celebrating the birth of Christ when they celebrate Christmas. What they are celebrating is the root of it which is paganism. In order to have gullible fools join in, they decided to label it a Christian festival.

Because of Christmas, people are expected to go to church to listen to sermons about Jesus. I guess the "demons" didn't think things through.

Does he really believe that the "demons" love to celebrate the birth of Jesus?

I am so sorry about this.

uvalued:
this explanation truly did not come from the mere human brain but from the Holy Spirit

It's just apologetics. It's a skill that anyone who doesn't really care about the truth can learn.

felixomor:
How did the first man on earth get it then?

This is irrelevant. As I said, I'm yet to meet anyone who wasn't introduced to idea of God through religion. If you know one, tell us. Deists are like children who discovered that the things their parents told them about Santa were lies, but still believe that there is a "real Santa" out there.

felixomor:
Please explain with evidence and proof, how religion produced God.

I'm talking about the idea that God exists. Most people got that idea from religion. I'm yet to meet anyone who first got it outside religion.

You all got it. It's meant to point out the contradictions in the gospels. Why do you think God allowed the most important books in the Bible - the gospels - to contradict each other so much?

WORLDPEACE:
Going by what you've said, Deism is not bad too right?

It is much better, but I don't think it makes sense to insist on the existence of a person whose existence cannot be verified or disproved. God is a product of religion. Why hold on to God after being freed from religion?

themomentng:
As for our brothers and sisters of the Shia Community, we urge them, too, to embrace peace. They must accept the laws of the country they live in. They cannot be islands by themselves. At the same time, the law enforcement agencies must treat them humanely and according to the rule of law.

He called the Shia muslims brothers, wow! He also urged law enforcement agencies to treat them humanely. But he didn't promise to punish the people who killed their brothers and sisters and fathers and mothers and children and friends. Better than expected, but still not good enough.

I am happy for her. I hope complaints by hypocritical pornwatchers will not sway the organization against her. She will draw eyeballs for sure.

uvalued:
is athiesm good?

Yes, because it keeps you from dedicating your life to something that is not true. From fasting and praying to someone who doesn't even exist. From reading an ancient collection of literature as if it's an accurate history book and forcing yourself to follow its outdated ideas.

AfroSamurai:
And what do you believe in, if I may ask?

I believe in enjoying my life and helping others to enjoy their lives too. To enjoy life is to have a pleasant, meaningful, & successful life imho.

I am against religion because I think it is based on false beliefs, which are harmful if acted upon. I am also anti-communist and anti-fascist.

naijadeyhia:
You are yet to truthfully say why you are an atheist and that is if you are indeed an atheist. You are more of an anti Theist...Your life is full of hate for anything theist.

You are becoming a sicko

I am anti-religion, but I don't hate religion or God. I only get angry about things like "witch" burning. If you criticize religion in a serious way, people say you are angry. But if you go against religion in a jovial way, people accuse you of mocking their beliefs. You just can't win. I don't go about calling Christians nasty names Just because I disagree with them. Yet you're doing just that, which makes you the angry and hateful one.

Smallville10:
My mother had a dream dis morning which goes thus:

She found herself in a gathering in NPA (where she retired) and then suddenly a vehicle brought in dead bodies into the premises who were victims of accidents, the bodies were so many that they were piled up. She and others were looking through a window and were feeling bad abt it. Suddenly, one of the dead persons (male) turned and got up and she was shocked so she quickly called someone to see and suddenly all d other dead people started getting up one after another until there was no dead left and the place was full of joy.

Can anyone explain this pls... Lalasticlala

It is just a dream. It probably reflects things that your mum has been thinking about recently. She should savor it and then forget about it.

We knew about Buhariconomics but voted for him anyway. Now we're bleeped.

Baddchristy:
Think I'm still at the agnostic stage too

Most atheists are agnostic. They don't know for sure that some God doesn't exist, but choose to withold belief until they have good evidence.

KingEbukasBlog:


Please no one should pay attention to this

What kind of repugnant assumptions are these

Monotheism started with urreligion which was monotheistic in nature and it was the first form of religion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urreligion

Judaism has made it clear anthropomorphic characteristics were given to God - God is not a person .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_god#Judaism

Here is a thread explaining that God is not limited to religion

https://www.nairaland.com/3500235/must-read-god-without-religion

I'm amazed by the confidence of your nonsensical response to my post. Nothing you have posted actually has anything to do with anything!

Thank ... God? ... that he has no legal right to block the bill. Why do religious authorities always oppose progress?

Isn't Wall Street Journal a reputable source? Isn't it more likely than not that they have a good reason for making the claim? Why not ask them?

urchcoded:
Before u call me an idiot, i did believe in God but I'm not sure i believe now until someone or he somehow show me dat he actually exists... Any way i was discussing with some die hard Christian... Told her God don't exist. She asked me who created d world i replied i'on know she said is God. I asked who den created God she said she doesn't know... So dis is my opinion....

The first man now sits on the floor looking at the fire he made from stones, the shelter he made from Wood, the cloths he made from plants... But now says to him self who now made the flowers, the sky, the seas, he is very sure it is someone like him but just more powerful, more wise and more everything he(man) is so he said it must be God. Hence it would be only reasonable to say man created God in his own image.... And not the other way round... *thanks*

This video, titled "The thing that made the things for which there is no known maker" illustrates your points very well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVbnciQYMiM

However, based on the little I've read people didn't start up by inventing God. Monotheism is actually a recent phenomenon in human history. People started out by worshipping powerful things in nature like the sun, moon, thunder, etc. Then they came up with the concept of gods that control different aspects of their lives, such as gods of war (Yahweh of the bible and Ogun of the Yorubas) and goddesses of fertility. They offered sacrifices to the gods that were responsible for the type of blessings that they needed. Then they developed the concept of a hierarchy among the gods, with one god being recognized as the leader of the other gods and the first god to have existed. For the Hebrews this was known as Elohim, and for Yorubas this was Eledumare/Olorun/Olofi (a kind of trinity I guess).

At some point in history, some Jewish followers of Yahweh who were linked to a king came to believe that their god of war was the top god and the Israelites were his chosen people. With the king's support, they decided that no other god should be worshipped in Israel. But the Israelites already had a body of literature based on the idea of a pantheon of gods including Yahweh with Elohim as the leader, so they had to rewrite their literature to fit the idea of Yahweh as the god of Israel. They altered some of the existing stories an added theirs, but they didn't do it perfectly. So in Genesis, there are two stories of the origin of man, and God is referred to as Elohim many times. So when God says "let us do X" in Genesis, that was Elohim, the head of the gods, addressing the other lesser gods, such as Yahweh. And Baal, by the way.

Somewhere along the line followers of Yahweh became convinced that not only was the god of Israel the most powerful god in the world, a notion based on ethnic pride, he was also the only true god in the world. All other gods were false gods. Thus, God was born. We know that Yahweh wasn't always considered as God because there are verses of the bible that entertain the notion of other gods. E.g. stuff like "who is like unto thee, O Yahweh, among the gods, who is like thee?" Btw, Yahweh was a jealous god, so it was totally ok to kill anybody who worshipped a different god, whether they were foreigners whose land the Israelites wanted or fellow Israelites who dared to worship Baal.

Monotheism is an intolerant concept born of tribalism, arrogance, and a desire to justify acts of violence against worshippers of other gods.

Note: This is my current understanding but I most certainly got some of the details wrong. Later I will recheck and correct the wrong parts.

Apologists like KingEbukasblog have big balls. It takes big balls to try to prove something by posting a piece of evidence that contradicts it.

pweetyoge:
oh if he said so..then it is unfair,cus to me he is misleading others who look up to him.

I am certainly an atheist off Nairaland. I don't attend church or pray. When I read the Bible, it's just for personal entertainment and debates.

Ubenedictus:
is Atheism by force? This is a childish rant, let mark decide for himself how he wishes to be seen.

And we have the right to decide whether we believe him or not, right?

HardMirror:
Yes I stand with mark on this one. He is right

What is Mark right about? Can you be more explicit about it?