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Do you know that some girls (even in Nigeria) cover their faces in school but don't at home because their parents do not want them to
When will you defend the rights of these women to cover their face

You are entitled to your own opinions. But Muslims will NEVER be dictated to by you or by anyone Why do you think you can sit in judgement and dictate conditions?

How many muslim neighbours of yours have you had cause to call to order because they always resolve issues by violence?
A lot of people talk about some muslims based on poisoned opinions while totally ignoring that muslim they see at work or in the neighbourhood everyday

These people can abuse as much as they want, but I am sure they really do not want violence to stop. I believe the game is for the violence to continue so that they can indulge in their pastime of denigrating Islam

Jenwitemi:
We all have it, but very few are connected with it. Connection, that is the key. Religions like christianity and islam will do everything within their powers to make sure that humans, who fall into their traps, are never connected to the christ within.

To answer your question, since i am not entrapped in any of these two religions' snares . . . yes, i am connected to my inner christ. I am trying to improve the connection every time, though. The connection is not perfect just yet. I have to keep working on it on moment by moment basis.

At this point God created Hell.

 

Taylor Mason with Paco the Pig

Jenwitemi:
Yes, i have. But if you want an additional explanation, i'll give you a brief and final one. The christ is principally about the inner transformation of man, because when the inner is transformed the outer will also be transformed as a matter of course. This was why Jesus(giving that he really did exist) taught mostly about the inner transformation because he knew this fact fully well.
Now, the church, on the other hand, teaches almost exclusively about the outer transformation without considering the inner, which is a complete and utter joke. No outer transformation can ever take place without the inner having took place first. This was why the literal interpretation of the bible was central to the christian doctrine right from day one.

The literal interpretations of the bible as well as Jesus' teachings cuts christians almost completely off the vital inner and deeper true teachings in the bible and of Jesus. The clergy knew and still know exactly what they are doing. Taking care of the inner transformation is vastly empowering, while the outer only is very very dis-empowering and the church, with it's clergy, wants dis-empowered people to be able to control. Moreover, most of Jesus true teachings were removed from the gospels and forbidden, turning them into apocryphal texts. You need to read the gospel of Thomas to know what am talking about.

Jesus wanted to empower mankind. That was his only purpose here. And mankind can be empowered only if they finally recognize the Christ within them. But the church, on the other hand, wants the exact opposite, to dis-empowere mankind and keep it from knowing the christ within and that is what we still have today, dis-empowered christians or maybe i should say churchians who are still needing crutches. Christians with no christ. Churchians, so to say.

Finally, CHRIST is not a name for Jesus the son of God, but a state of inner being that directly connect man to his creator and gives total freedom of being. That is what christians do not have and will never have. Why? Because you have all been enslaved by the church. You have all been firmly kept away from the CHRIST within and your pastors have become your crutches to which you all cling.

So, now i am done. If you still don't get it, you probably never would. I'm out.

Jenwitemi:
I have already given you enough hints to give you a head start. You have to start your own journey to find out what Jesus really taught. A whole lot of christians, who know deep in their heart that they are not being told the truth by the church, are already on that journey. You will have to do the same.

As for your second question, that is already clear enough, isn't it. All the church rituals or rites as you call it, are not for the spiritual wellbeing of christians, but for the benefit of the church.

All christians have been made to reject the original and true teachings of Jesus, and replace them with the blasphemous teachings of the church. And in so doing, they have denied the christ for the rituals and teachings of the church. They have accepted the corrupt clergy as their lords and masters who tell them what to belief, think and feel, which has absolutely nothing to do with the Christ.

Jenwitemi:
The best way to deny christ is to be a christian. There is no better way. Being a christian is denying christ.

i have been coming to the uk on visit for 5 years now,mainly on holiday,does anyone know if its possible to get a stay

does anyone have idea on how i can open a bank account with my visiting visa,i dont have the proof of address
they are requesting and i come to the uk often to see my family members,also i had little problem renewing my visiting visa
the last time i went to the embassy though ve had 2yrs visa twice cos i stayed for 4mths,the embassy man wanted to know what i was doing that long,i just like uk and have enough money to spend,most of my relations are here and i enjoy staying with them,why would he bother about what i was doing  as long as i have the money to spend and have proof and i dont overstay the stated 6 months.for visit.i spend 4mths in uk and 3 mths in my own country.i find this place safer than nigeria where they ve started kidnapping people,no light,bad roads and there is no hope that things will get better.

Sweetnecta:
^^^^^^^ seyi o. maybe what you need to factor in is the reality of human nature. ex(s) tend[s] to get attached to each other. the old adage applies; the person you are used to is easier to deal with than a new experience which you have no idea what you gonna get. Islam says in essence a man who is dumb enough to divorce his wife for the 3rd time, deserves not to be able to have her like that again, even if he wants her so desperately. let her try her fortune with someone else instead of the carelessness of the revolving door predicament in the previous marriage[s] bringing her to divorcee status 3 times already.

what you do not pay attention to in the OT that you are putting up as the grand marquee of "ideal" of marriage at all cost or if there is a divorce no chance of reconciliation is contrary to human nature where people long for the spouse known and want each other back, because the heart rules, overcoming the ego that led to the divorce in the first place. Islam allows the fool me once to extend to fool me thrice.

finally, dont forget that we say that the OT is corrupt, just as NT is. while Jesus of NT laid out a different law than the OT, the reality is that it is human to give each other another chance on top of another, reconciling and getting back together mending the marriage, rather than saying after first divorce, never to get back together or not to divorce at all. the reality, again is what you find to be in human nature; to err is human, the reason Islam allows the possibility of return, after another. after the grandiose of OT, we see in it that a woman who is married and lost her husband is passed on to a brother of the deceased, whether she wants it or not. she may have to wait until a little boy is old enough to mount her. she is at the mercy of a ruling that completely dehumanized her, and opposes the ruling of after divorce you are not to comeback together. Just imagine the humiliation of being stuck with men in a family that a widow will have to wait for the brother, even when he is already married and you said Eve was the only woman in the life of Adam, yet Jesus said all the OT must be fulfilled, without dropping a jot from it! who is not being sincere here?

the thing i like that seyi said is that no one can make anything except using what God provides. This is a Quranic verse in Surah Ghafir which says "Allahu qalaqa kun, Allahu ta ma lun": Allah is your Maker and He is the Maker of what you make. Seyi is on her to Islam. May Allah make her journey easy. Amin.

It is very funny that this woman does not find it strange that people behaved such no, As I read Jesus Never condemed past your brother's wife round the family tradition. I usually laugh when she comes hyperventilating about teachings in Islam.

vedaxcool, Somehow, your 'superior intellect' did not allow you reason that you should have allowed me to state my opinion on the matters raised by sweetnecta which was ADDRESSED TO ME and NOT YOU, VEDAXCOOL, BEFORE YOU DECIDED ON MY BEHALF THAT I WELCOMED WHAT YOU CALL 'BROTHR'S WIFE ROUND THE FAMILY' TRADITION ! In a way, you that you just shot yourself in the foot for reasons that I will bring up in answer to that post!

^^^^^^^ seyi o. maybe what you need to factor in is the reality of human nature. ex(s) tend[s] to get attached to each other. the old adage applies; the person you are used to is easier to deal with than a new experience which you have no idea what you gonna get. Islam says in essence a man who is dumb enough to divorce his wife for the 3rd time, deserves not to be able to have her like that again, even if he wants her so desperately. let her try her fortune with someone else instead of the carelessness of the revolving door predicament in the previous marriage[s] bringing her to divorcee status 3 times already.

what you do not pay attention to in the OT that you are putting up as the grand marquee of "ideal" of marriage at all cost or if there is a divorce no chance of reconciliation is contrary to human nature where people long for the spouse known and want each other back, because the heart rules, overcoming the ego that led to the divorce in the first place. Islam allows the fool me once to extend to fool me thrice.

finally, dont forget that we say that the OT is corrupt, just as NT is. while Jesus of NT laid out a different law than the OT, the reality is that it is human to give each other another chance on top of another, reconciling and getting back together mending the marriage, rather than saying after first divorce, never to get back together or not to divorce at all. the reality, again is what you find to be in human nature; to err is human, the reason Islam allows the possibility of return, after another.

after the grandiose of OT, we see in it that a woman who is married and lost her husband is passed on to a brother of the deceased, whether she wants it or not. she may have to wait until a little boy is old enough to mount her. she is at the mercy of a ruling that completely dehumanized her, and opposes the ruling of after divorce you are not to comeback together. Just imagine the humiliation of being stuck with men in a family that a widow will have to wait for the brother, even when he is already married and you said Eve was the only woman in the life of Adam, yet Jesus said all the OT must be fulfilled, without dropping a jot from it! who is not being sincere here?

vedaxcool and sweetnecta,

You two, and I, being YORUBAS, WILL BE FOOLING OURSELVES TO SAY THAT THE 'TRADITION' OF 'BROTHER MARRYING HIS BORTHER'S WIDOW' DOES NOT EXIST IN YORUBALAND! IT DOES and DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANITY! The three of us are descended from PEOPLE WHO PRACTICED THIS TRADITION!   If you IGNORANTLY CLAIM THAT IT IS A JEWISH THING, THEN WE ARE ALL DESCENDANTS OF THE ISRAELITES!   which will mean that the two of you being Muslims and always anti-judaism and xtianity HAVE BEEN KICKING YOURSELVES IN THE BALLS FOR SO LONG, IN ACTUALLY FIGHTING AGAINST YOUR ORIGINS!

A Man marrying his brother's widow IS NOT XTIAN DOCTRIN/PRACTICE/COMMANDMENT! It WAS PART OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE LAWS OF BIBLICAL ISRAEL and IT WAS AND STILL IS YORUBA TRADITION but which enlightened Yorubas DO NOT ENGAGE IN!  I happen to be one of those XTIANITY ENLIGHTENED YORUBAS!    

seyibrown:
Bang on point call for action! Not only westerners but people everywhere in the world should wake up from their slumber and protect their heritagefrom any 'imposition of backwardness' which will plunge us into a new dark age!

If one were to 'protect one's heritage from any imposition of backwardness', it would mean that one's heritage is 'more advanced'/better than the 'backwardness' that is being imposed! For example, If you have enjoyed freedom of speech for decades and someone is trying to impose a 'gagging' policy/culture, freedom of speech which you already have is better/more advanced than a gag! Take as another example the imposition of 'leaves' as new compulsory clothing material in this day and age!   

The challenge for Westerners, perhaps not so obviously, is whether they will awaken in time from their multicultural slumbers to protect their cultural heritage and avoid, possibly, a new dark age.

Olodo rapata! Who was the father of Adam?

who was the mother of ADAM?

according to seyi God is the father and mother of Adam. hence Adam is also the begoten son of God non sense indeed.

Adam is a Son of God! I AM A DAUGHTER OF GOD! JESUS IS 'THE' SON OF GOD!

have you heard pf cloning? do u know that it is possible for a man not to have any biological father or mother? kai! o what humans can do is hard for the biblical NT god to do? poor woman

Yes, ke! Ki lo fi mi pe!  [/i]My 'not so superior to vedaxcool's intellect'  still allows me to understand the News and do research! This same INTELLECT allows me to understand that these 'CLONERS' DO NOT MAKE ANY CLONES OUT OF ANY MATERIAL THEY MADE BUT OUT OF MATERIAL THAT GOD HAS ALREADY MADE! Dearest vedaxcool, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS THE CLONERS THAT ACTUALLY CANNOT DO WHAT GOD HAS DONE AS THEY CANNOT MAKE ANYTHING WITHOUT USING SOMETHING THAT GOD HAS ALREADY MADE!

Jejune, Daftom, Mud-glutton , 'Cassava eating fool',  [i]ode

vedaxcool, you could really have driven your points (you didn't really make any, just went round and round in a circle, concluding that I WAS RIGHT TO BEGIN WITH ) home without using such COLOURFUL LANGUAGE! I beg your pardon! Please, be a GENTLEMAN! Stop expressing yourself like an agbero, omo gutter, omo ita, amugbo etc. Secondary school leavers should not even use those kind of words during intelligent discourse!

In short, GROW UP!  You don grow pass roforofo fight

Over to you!

Liar! Liar!! tell the truthas this ws your claim:

Quote from: seyibrown on December 24, 2010, 12:12 AM
[b]The same way you usually prove things? Prove my shalanga! Or the same way the Quran 'clarifies and confirms' what was sent through Moses and Jesus? Siddon for there. It is clear to all who do not call darkness light that the [b]Quran actually mostly commands people to do the opposite of Moses and Jesus!

Ode, quote what the new testament says about this, instead of this foolishness u are exhibiting, wheren't u complaining that Islam is unfair for not letting a woman return to her husband after being divorced despite if she wants to return to her? and sweetnecta explanation suffice:


Quote from: Sweetnecta on December 31, 2010, 12:10 AM
A wife and her husband are allowed to marry each other 3 times before the woman must be forbidden to the man, not being able to remarry her as he did in the previous 2 remarriages. There is wisdom in it and in marriage processes. You are a married woman, you should know how in time the hearts are attached, and divorce becomes a very bitter pill, though it rather be taken instead of fatal attraction.

In the OT, thieves are to RESTORE FIVE TIMES what they stole; Islam AMPUTATES the thief! The OT principle is for property theft be repaid with property, The Quran TAKES AWAY AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE THIEF'S LIFE and adds to his burden FOR LIFE by taking away his Hand or Leg, DESTROYING part of him! The Bible tells me that the THIEF (DEVIL) HAS COME TO STEAL, KILL & DESTROY! The devil's main purpose is to KILL MAN before he CAN RECONCILE WITH HIS CREATOR! Anyone, institution, organisation that robs a man of the opportunity to reconcile with God is OF THE DEVIL!

Ode do u know the meaning of opposite? The opposite to the OT, will mean that the qur'an says stealing is right, but the cretin that u are confuses opposite with severity, the opposite of repaying five times when you stole is what? we need answers Seyibrown. And didn't the Ot state how Yew ah told the children of Isreal to wipe out entire people? are u suggesting that Yahweh is the devil? pls explain oh! Highly Ignorant woman who refuses to think.

Your SUPERIOR INTELLECT at play here again! You know that the PUNISHMENT is the focus here, not MORALITY, as you point out that I 'confuse opposite with severity' (however that was supposed to be really written)! The OT in the matter of theft, requires that the thief RESTORE to the owner but The Quran requires that the thief's limb (life) be TAKEN (STOLEN) from him! SEE ANY OPPOSITES YET? Looking at it from another angle, the OT prescribes PROPERTY PAYMENT for PROPERTY THEFT but the Quran prescribes LIFE (BLOOD/BODY PART) PAYMENT for PROPERTY THEFT! Now, HOW EXACTLY DOES THE QURAN CONFIRM OR CLARIFY MOSES here?

I tire for you!

I know to you fuller explanation means clarifictaion, Pity as the Qur'an refutes the numerous imbecilities of the bible, fuller explanation is  more than clarifying them, like when u cretins claim Jesus is the begotten son of God auzobillah, the Qur'an says auzobillah, God has no need for children, clear refutation of falsehood.

So you now AGREE that the Quran does CLAIM THAT IT 'CLARIFIES'(and even does more than that) THE 'REVELATIONS/BOOKS' THAT WENT BEFORE IT? What was all the earlier argument against for? 

Children of Isreal does not include the you Christians, further more explains simply gives us the understanding that it gives the right point of view that the diputing children of Isreal are berift off, which is more than clarifying, it gives the truth just like in the when Jesus calls his mum woman did the Qur'an clarifies it and say he meant to say Jureman? No it refutes such notions by stating categorically that Jesus was too humane to call his mum woman. Again your nonesense interpretation falls flat on your face.

Here, Your SUPERIOR INTELLECT stops you from being able to read AND UNDERSTAND  Quran 10: 26 in connection with Quran 10:37! and that which you already agree with!

vexdacool,
Did CHRIST PRACTICE/PREACH/TEACH SEXUAL IMMORALITY? The answer is NO, and that MAKES YOU A LIAR in saying that Sexual Immorality has everything to do with Christ. Show me where in the Bible he committed Sexual immorality if you can !

Mud-glutton, your belief that he has paid the debt for sin committed and uncommitted is what is fueling all sort of sin as you like behavior amongst you drunken misfits who claim piety without being pious.

Just when I was thinking you would give me Bible verses in support of your claims that 'Jesus has everything to do with sexual immorality', YOU CHICKEN OUT IN SHAME AND EMBARASSMENT!

vexdacool,
Did Mohammed on the other hand practice sexual immorality? YES, HE DID, and this is backed by Islamic scriptures that tell of his many sexual partners, forced and willing!

Sweetnecta reply is enough for the wise

YOU COULD HAVE AT LEAST GIVEN A BOLD ANSWER TO DISPROVE MY CLAIM SINCE I MIGHT JUST NOT FIND PROOF IN THE QURAN AND HADITHS JUST LIKE YOU DID NOT FIND PROOF TO YOUR CLAIM IN THE BIBLE!

Cassava eating fool! point where he resoundingly condemned polygamy, Mrs. Religion by conjecture, not this condemnation of divorce. This same Jewish tradition that Jesus followed as we read Jesus was circumcised. Deluded souls indeed best describes you. In addition u claimed that monogamy was the plan of God right from Adam, right? but you low intelligence failed u as u did not add that Inbreeding was allowed by God, as Adam children married each other, the question is why is it now a taboo for any one to talk of marrying his sister? or are you saying the opposite? PLs explain if ye are truthful. Because this would mean God's plan was to allow brother - sisters marriage also. your intelligence is barely capable of matching my superior arguments.

Again, Sorry, what was the question again? Stop swallowing maggots first; start drinking milk and you will then grow teeth fit for meat. Sexual immorality has nothing to do with Christ. It is one Man and one woman as it was in the garden of Eden and Jesus referred to that fact in Matthew 19: 3 -12. No man loves his wife so much that he marries another one, or loves his wife so much that he demands faithfulness from her but he himself is not faithful to her.  . . .  and you did rightly say 'JEWISH TRADITION', it was their practice to marry more than one woman instead of following GOD'S ORIGINAL PLAN OF ONE EVE TO ONE ADAM! Enjoy your four wives (many sexual partners ) and let the sheep of Christ enjoy their one wife!

Like Jesus disciples in the NT u are bereft of understanding, as the word angry does not occur in the Qur'an. Now the use of angry instead of Ill conduct leaves us with the notion, that even in trivial matters a man can beat his wife, which is why when u use angry to deliberately misconstrue the verse. E.g. say seyi went to Mr.Brown and say I need money to buy attachment to show off, mr. Brown becomes angry and say I do not have money, you know that, accd.to your interpretation of the verse Mr. Brown is allowed to beat seyi, the question is those this count as a misconduct? No, as in Islam the man is responsibility for his wife upkeep and hence she has the right to ask for her dues, hence your use of "angry" is far from right as the verse clearly states arrogance and Ill conduct. Hence i donot know whether u used your brain in understanding the verse or rely on the drunken ghost for interpretation in any case u are wrong, as Ill conduct and being angry are two words apart, though they can be interrelated.

Again this is not in the qur'an, but one read the statement if at all/ if there is, note that The prophet did not believe in omens we read the statement below:

Definition of Omen: a circumstance, phenomenon, etc that is regarded as a sign of a future event, either good or evil. A phenomenon supposed to portend good or evil
The creation, maintenance and eventual destruction of the universe and its contents are by Allah’s command, and both good and bad occur according to Allah’s will. However, man has always wondered “Is there any way of knowing before hand whether good times or bad times are coming?” For, if there is a way of knowing ahead of time, misfortune could then be avoided and success could be ensured.
Pre-Islamic Arabs used to consider the direction in which birds and animals moved to be a sign of impeding good or bad fortune and would plan their lives around such signs. The practice of reading good and bad omens in bird and animal movements was referred to as Tiyarah
Prophet said “Whoever does Tiyarah, or has it done for himself, … is not one of us” (Tirmidhee). That means, he is not a Muslim.
Abdullaah ibn ‘Amr ibn al ‘Aas reported that the Prophet (PBUH) said,”Whoever is prevented from doing something by Tiyarah, has committed shirk.” The companions asked, “What is its atonement?” He replied, “Say: ‘Allaahumma laa khayra illaa khayruk wa laa Tayra illaa Tayruk wa laa elaaha ghayruk.’ (‘Oh Allah, there is no good except Your good, nor birds except Yours, and there is no god beside You’).”  (Collected by Ahmed and at-Tabaraanee)
There are many forms of Omens: Black cats, knock on wood, Friday the 13th, etc
In Islam, only Allah has absolute knowledge of everything and knows the secrets of tomorrow. Allah does not reveal the secret of tomorrow to any man except His prophets, as needed.
Pls point were omen was used in this hadith, again this proves your usual inclination to lie at will when the situation favors it, as the hadith has nothing to do with omen and it is very much easy to understand, as we can all see the kinds of behavior women of this day invovle in all in the name of God knows what.


Daftom I further explained that the hadith started with If at all there is bad omen.  .   .  ,hence inessence it is saying there is non, it jst like if i say if At all seyi is mad then she would be found in an assylum, this simply gives a notion that she is not arctually mad, hence the statement the prphet made was more like saying there are no such things as omen, as the other hadiths in my quote proved it. And being a cassava eating Liar u initially claimed that ALLAH revealed to Muhammad that women are omen, rather than even accept that u are mistaken in your initial assertion u walk on that the kingdom of Christ will always heartily accepts a liar doing it's cause? That indeed is a pity.

4. "Women are omens" (SAHIH BUKHARI, BOOK 62 (Wedlock, Marriage Nikaah))

30 'Narrated Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "Evil omen is in the women, the house and the horse.'
31' Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Evil omen was mentioned before the Prophet: The Prophet said, "If there is evil omen in anything, it is in the house, the woman and the horse."
32 ' Narrated Sahl bin Sad: Allah's Apostle said, "If at all there is bad omen, it is in the horse, the woman, and the house."
33 ' Narrated Usama bin Zaid: The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women."

General Hypocrite you were the same person that said it is alright for your son to call you woman and assert that what joins me and you together following the example of Jesus, despite the fact that his mum bore insults on his account and also faced pain(pls follow the link and u will be surprised how this munafiq is as shameless as a unclothed mad woman in the street https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-527852.320.html#msg7367475) in carrying Jesus and suckling him. Now on the affliction cliam, u are poorly knowledgeable enough to understand simple things, as the afliction means Trial that men face on the account of women, look at how the world have commercialze women in a bid to sell stuff imagine how ridicules it has become using a woman to advertize shaving stick for men! this is the kind of affliction it refers to, women are being used as tools for spreading indecency and immorality and over desensitization of people, the affliction refers to the role womam play knowingly or unknowingly in the devil's spread of evil,                                                                                                       
and again men are easily manipulated by women into doing wrong well due to the weakness in most men, for example seyi tells mr. Brown, isn't it your mate that is driving hummer? and u Brown claim that you are a director, don't u see the cars other directors are driving, in other words Mr. Brown is mostly likely to comply to seyi insults if it continues. Azs for suicide bombings what is the percetage of men that arfe invovle in it? not too intellligent, just an insignificant few. And again we should ask seyi for the records whether it is acceptable for Jesus to call his mum woman, contrast to the nt the Qur'an writes this about Jesus and his mum "And He (God Almighty) hath made me (Jesus) kind to my mother, and not overbearing or unblest" (19:31)." now the shameless author of the NT wrote that Jesus spoke rudely to his mum, what a pity you people are bereft of understanding.

Olodo, this is what I wrote: