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PoliticsRe: U.S. Bomb Experts Arrive - FBI Agents swarm Abuja - OBAMA Says ' We will assist' by seyibrown(f): 11:55pm On Jan 03, 2011
If our government cannot investigate and bring to book our terrorists, I don't mind who helps/does it for them as long as these murderers are stopped! This nonsense must be taken care of before Nigeria is turned into Somalia!
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by seyibrown(f): 11:40pm On Jan 03, 2011
Saidsalla:
About Islam,nobody has d ryt to curse,to hurt or to kill anyone. But Islam permits takin a revenge but witout exceedings- look back durin obj administran how muslims are killed,their children r lost,their women r violated.To those who r sayin muslims should help to capture those behind jos/abuja bombins. Did they show thos evil doers,heartless ppl?! Are they not christns? Are they praticin xtianity? Who did they kill? Ants or humans? Only justice can bring peace. Muslims r commanded to do justice but how about those pastors that preach hatre towards muslims. Finally, i call for so-called boko haram to stop killins in borno and d rest to move to jos to help their brothers and sisters whom have been tormented in their own country by CAN.
Did auwal87 and some other Muslims just say that Islam is a religion of peace?  grin I don't think this your brother agrees as he is calling for the killings to stop in Borno and other areas AND MOVE TO JOS! I hope this kind of people move to the Islamic North(if he doesn't already live there) when Nigeria breaks up so they can enjoy his kind of peace in the Islamic North!

And was somebody also equating christians preaching to boko haram murders? E be like say some people prefer the murders of innocent citizens to sound pollution!
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by seyibrown(f): 3:37pm On Jan 03, 2011
@ rahman25

only ALLAH can save us in this country.
The 'Boko Haram'/Islamic radicalist/'Bomb or kill or non-muslims' way?  Or the 'Live in peace with everybody' way? Which is Allah's way?

i am not begging anybody to appreciate my contribution cos i knw some ppple will still critise me n ISLAM
Why do you have this mind-set? Do people generally criticise 'PEACE'? No, Lovers of PEACE will SPEAK OUT AGAINST VIOLENCE, !
Christianity EtcRe: Common Sins By Christians. by seyibrown(f): 11:04pm On Jan 02, 2011
Kay 17:
These bible verses prescribe as sins these common practices
lev 19:27 its a sin to shave.
Exod 20:8 no football on saturdays.
Lev 11:10 its a sin to eat lobsters or shrimps or snails.
Lev 11:7 no pork.
Lev 15:19-20 a grave sin to associate with menstrating women.
Other verses prohibit homosexuality and tattoos and cross dressing.
Do you keep any of the laws above? If YOU DO NOT, why are you complaining that others do not keep them? The same Bible tells you here:

Romans 7:4 (King James Version)

4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.


Why do you seek to burden those who have been freed when you do not carry the same burden yourself? The children of God have the Laws of God written in their hearts and have the Holy Spirit as their corrector. THEY KNOW BY THE SPIRIT WHAT IS RIGHT TO DO!
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Marry Arabs! by seyibrown(f): 10:27pm On Jan 02, 2011
[quote author=aloy/emeka link=topic=577909.msg7449965#msg7449965 date=1293999430]Why not advise them instead to be wary of travelling outside Israel with their Arab lovers because of their safety?. How will you feel if the Zulu ethnic women for example advise their women to stay away from loving and marrying Nigerians in RSA?.

It is also foolish for the women to insist on preserving Jewish culture more than the men as seen below:[/quote]What is the point of marrying someone who you won't want to go to his hometown because he might force you to do things you do not want to do when you get there? Why not just steer clear of the possiblity of being enslaved for life and marry someone whose people will love you or who will not take you where his people will insist you throw away a significant part of your life?

If Jewish identity is preserved/inherited through the MOTHER, it is important that the women marry men who will not rob their offspring of the opportunity to be FREELY JEWISH! What would be the point of marrying into a Jew-hating family who will either hate your children or prevent them from retaining their Jewish identity? The best advice for these women if they were to carry on the Jewish line is to marry someone who IS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC or will not become so on being presssured by family or for other reasons!
PoliticsRe: Make A Wish For Nigeria For 2011 by seyibrown(f): 7:06pm On Jan 02, 2011
Love, Peace and Security! Amen!
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Marry Arabs! by seyibrown(f): 6:32pm On Jan 02, 2011
[quote author=Jon.Bee link=topic=577909.msg7449124#msg7449124 date=1293988681]Seyi, Seyi,

Go ahead "interpreter", Nairalanders can't comprehend simple, obvious and self-explanatory messages. Can they?[/quote]Oh dear! grin I was stating my what I thought of the matter and pointing to part of the article!   . . .  and actually many  'Nairalanders can't comprehend simple, obvious and self-explanatory messages'  grin, I KNOW THIS BY EXPERIENCE, and my opinion as stated in post # 1 WAS NOT even directed at any such people!  grin So, no vex at all, abeg! You could also have posted under THE article that contributors should NOT EXPLAIN the article! grin
Christianity EtcRe: Science Disproves Evolution by seyibrown(f): 6:13pm On Jan 02, 2011
LOL! grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: Don't Marry Arabs! by seyibrown(f): 6:02pm On Jan 02, 2011
From the article:

However, the good manners and concern displayed by the Arab men are but a ploy to draw the women to their villages, the letter cautioned, “and when they are in control everything changes.”
I think they are warning their girls against falling for men who would 'resent their Jewishness' after their marriage! We read stories of 'free' women lured into 'marriages' and then moved to countries where they cannot get help or get out, don't we?
Christianity EtcRe: Common Sins By Christians. by seyibrown(f): 2:32pm On Jan 02, 2011
Kay 17:
@ i do not see the need for such rituals (holy spirit), critical thinking should be sufficient. Religion generally is self protective, it creates its strange methods of validation.
Absolutely fantastic! Now, you do your THINKING and leave us to do our BELIEVING! grin Neither should be forced on anyone!
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by seyibrown(f): 2:22pm On Jan 02, 2011
I am surprised that some people are posting on what Xtians have done in the past  when the matter at hand is what is HAPPENING TODAY!  angry This topic is not about Xtians but about ENCOURAGING PEACEFUL MUSLIMS TO DISCOURAGE EXTREMIST MUSLIMS WHOSE ACTIONS CAUSE THE WORLD TO LABEL ISLAM VIOLENT TO DESIST FROM BARBARIC ACTS! It is not about XTIAN vs ISLAM; It is PEACEFUL MUSLIMS vs EXTREMIST MUSLIMS so that the world can truly see the PEACEFUL ISLAM that is only currently being mouthed and not acted! It is the duty of peaceful muslims to STOP radicalists muslims from HARMING NON-MUSLIMS and DRAGGING ISLAM IN THE MUD! If PEACEFUL MUSLIMS do not put a rein on EXTREMIST MUSLIMS, NON-MUSLIMS will have to sort Islam out so that we can have some of this VERY ELUSIVE PEACE we only hear about and never see! EXTREMIST MUSLIMS ARE PUSHING NON-MUSLIMS TO THE WALL!
Christianity EtcRe: Can We Pray Together? by seyibrown(f): 1:55pm On Jan 02, 2011
Happy new year!

Please could we pray as the spirit leads for the lady whose story his reported on these links:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=59145437587&topic=18414  and : http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=59145437587&topic=18414

PLEASE LET US REMEMBER TO SET ASIDE TIME TO PRAY FOR OTHERS, ESPECIALLY THE VULNERABLE! There are many like 'Maimuna' whose story do not make it to the papers! Let us continually ask for God's mercy, deliverance, protection for them. Time spent in prayer for others is not lost as God ANSWERS PRAYERS and he is the rewarder of our faith!


seyibrown:
What's happened to this thread? Please don't let it die!

Please spare 5 - 10 mins a day to pray as follows for Children and vulnerable, especially in Nigeria:

1. Ask God to release any children/vulnerable people who are in bondage of sexual abuse;
2. Ask God to send help for them;
3. Ask God to expose perpetrators (and perpetrators to be) of any such crimes against our children/vulnerable people;
4. Ask God to forgive us, heal us, heal our children (of any hurt or damage as a result of any abuse suffered) and protect them;
5. Ask God to give any one who abuses children/vulnerable people a recompense that they cannot hide within 30 days of any of them perpetrating any such acts.
I pray that in this new year, God's glory will be evident in every area of our lives for a testimony of his greatness for all around us! Amen!
Christianity EtcRe: Common Sins By Christians. by seyibrown(f): 12:46am On Jan 02, 2011
Pimpu:
TREAT THE ISSUE AT HAND N STOP GALAVANTING
I think you should let your PASTOR explain to you or better still ASK GOD! grin Does Pimpu have a pastor or know God?  huh Let's wait for him to come back with the ANSWERS he got! smiley
PoliticsRe: Die In 2011 by seyibrown(f): 12:03am On Jan 02, 2011
@ OP, Why should we comot from FRYPAN to 'POSSIBLE FIRE'? Why should we become JJC's in Benin Republic when we can stand on our own? It'll be better to make a success of of 'western Nigeria' first before committing to another POSSIBLE MARRIAGE FROM HELL like the current one!
PoliticsRe: Nigerian Muslims Lets Wake Up Before Boko Haram Hijacks Our Religion by seyibrown(f): 10:47pm On Jan 01, 2011
[b]@ OP

Your intentions as portrayed in your post are commendable. Unfortunately, the Muslims we hear and see do not believe in the peaceful Islam you believe. Most Muslims do not condemn the atrocities peretrated by those peaceful Muslims call radicalists and extremist muslims. WE NEVER HEAR THE PEACEFUL MUSLIMS. Most peaceful Muslims see any condemnation of their radical brethren as an attack against Islam which is not really the fault of the 'anti-terrorist non-muslims'. IT IS THE EXTREMIST MUSLIMS WHO BRING ISLAM INTO DISREPUTE (and always back it with Islamic scriptures)and the world does not see the 'PEACEFUL ISLAM' because it is OVERSHADOWED by VIOLENT/EXTREMIST ISLAM! Peaceful Muslims do not bother anyone; extremist Muslims do. However, when peaceful Muslims KEEP QUIET while Extremist Muslims are TERRORISING THE WORLD, all Muslims will be lumped together. If all peaceful muslims do is PROCLAIM that Islam is peaceful and do NOTHING MORE while their extremist muslim brethren ACT VIOLENTLY, don't blame those who judge Islam on the EXTREMIST ACTIONS of MUSLIMS THAT CAN BE JUSTIFIED WITH THE QURAN. You want us to believe that Islam is peaceful, get your extremist brothers to portray it so! Most of us do not care what religion other people practice as long as they do not HARM others or FORCE others to take the same religion. Yoruba Muslims are an example of peaceful muslims but some of them are even beginning to get radicalised as they support the terrorism of non-muslims! Extremist Muslims need to realise ALL human beings WILL NEVER BECOME MUSLIM and their current trend WILL ONLY BRING ISLAM DOWN! [/b]
FamilyRe: I Am Tired Of My Marriage by seyibrown(f): 1:50am On Jan 01, 2011
@ Sandygal,

It hurts when one's better half seems to be the most unco-operative person on earth! Some husbands respond to their wives needs in ways that hurt the wives. Take your hurt to God if you can't take it to hubby! You will however need to be honest with yourself when he gives certain responses. Examine yourself and make changes/adjustments in line with God's word.  Be content and happy with what you currently have, work towards achieving any planned improvements committing all your plans into God hands so that he can establish them. God can do for you what your hubby refuses to do for you! Don't forget that you need to seek first the Kingdom of God and righteousness. First find and take your place in God, and it will be a lot easier to take command of your place in your home/marriage! Pray without ceasing, and persevere! Your miracle can happen in days, or months; you just be right with God who compensates us double for our suffering! God bless you!
Christianity EtcRe: My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?. by seyibrown(f): 1:35am On Jan 01, 2011
vedaxcool, you are a TRUE RESPRESENTATIVE OF ISLAM AND MOHAMMED! grin I will respond to your latest ramblings shortly! HAPPY NEW YEAR! grin
Christianity EtcRe: ..... by seyibrown(f): 1:13am On Jan 01, 2011
It is 'NOT BIBLICAL', just like COMPUTERS, TVs and Mobile Phones! grin Maybe he likes his hair curly/permed/colored/shiny. So how does ANOTHER MAN'S 'TREATED' HAIR harm you or anybody around him? grin Maybe you should focus on your own SALVATION rather than somebody else's HAIR!  grin

I will start growing and perming my armpits' hair once I get off this computer! grin  . . .  and await your 'permed-hair police'  cool
Christianity EtcRe: Common Sins By Christians. by seyibrown(f): 12:47am On Jan 01, 2011
^^^^^ Alright, Kay 17. Now that you will 'abandon and forget' YOUR OWN COPY OF THE BIBLE , please let those of us who find OUR COPIES OF THE BIBLE 'SUITABLE TO OUR TIMES' have some peace!  grin It is not by force to adhere to the Bible! Issssssssssssh! BTW, If God is dead as you say in your signature, and we harm no one by believing otherwise, why are you bothering us?
Christianity EtcRe: Good Christians In The House, Pls Help! by seyibrown(f): 12:39am On Jan 01, 2011
I'd love to be your friend!  grin As per a christian women fellowship, you will need to look for one in your area as not every Xtian NLander lives in the same area as you! Feel free to email me sometime using the email on my profile!
Christianity EtcRe: So Confused! by seyibrown(f): 10:47pm On Dec 31, 2010
ALL 'white garment' churches ARE PROTESTANT CHURCHES; ALL PROTESTANT CHURCHES ARE NOT 'white garment' churches.
Christianity EtcRe: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by seyibrown(f): 5:04pm On Dec 31, 2010
They can ban the Bible but cannot ban THE HOLY SPIRIT! grin God already made provision for the event! grin God pass the anti-christ! grin
PoliticsRe: The Book Of Ecclesiastes: The Authorized Nigerian Living Translation by seyibrown(f): 4:59pm On Dec 31, 2010
More grease to the writer's elbow! grin
PoliticsRe: Fake Condoms In D Market by seyibrown(f): 4:52pm On Dec 31, 2010
Oh dear! grin
PoliticsRe: Pakistani Muslims Hold 24-hour Strike To Kill Christian Woman by seyibrown(f): 4:16pm On Dec 31, 2010
I wonder what happens to those who 'insult' Christianity in the same way she was alleged to have done! Do they get the death penalty too? I think not!
PoliticsRe: Dpo Killed Pregnant Woman, Baby by seyibrown(op): 4:13pm On Dec 31, 2010
PoliticsDpo Killed Pregnant Woman, Baby by seyibrown(op): 4:12pm On Dec 31, 2010
From: http://huhuonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2446:dpo-killed-pregnant-woman-baby&catid=77:personal-tech&Itemid=420


The Sunday Trust of 26 December, 2010 carried the distressing story of how the brutality of a Divisional Police Officer (DPO) at Rigasa neighbourhood of Kaduna led to the death of a woman, Binta, with a nine-month old pregnancy.

Binta’s painful journey to death, as reported in the paper, started when her three year old child lost a slippers belonging to a co-tenant who used the opportunity to insult Binta continuously. For the sake of peace, Binta bought a pair of new slippers and sent it to the co-tenant. Instead of receiving it and let the matter die, the co-tenant beat the daughter who took the slippers to her and also engaged the nine-month old Binta in a fight. By the time she was done, Binta was bleeding.


Not satisfied that she has beaten the hell out of Binta, she went to the divisional police office and lodged a complaint that Binta has fought her. The DPO ordered three policemen to arrest Binta immediately. She was taken to the police station and detained all night in spite of pleas from her relations and husband. The complainant was not arrested.


When the police realised that her condition may lead to death, they called her brother whose name they found on her cell phone. With him, the police conveyed her to a nearby clinic in a police van. The clinic declined to treat her seeing her condition and referred them to Yusuf Dantsoho General Hospital at Tudun Wada, Kaduna. There, Binta gave birth to a baby girl who died five minutes later. And Binta too died that evening.


The husband called the DPO on phone and told him that he, the DPO, has killed his wife. It was then the DPO ordered the arrest of the complainant who is renowned in the neighbourhood for her quarrels. It was too late. She has run away.


A number of things made this story very sad. One, the brutality and subsequent death was over a bathroom slippers of just N80 (50 cents)!. The DPO should have reconciled the two instead of killing one of them and her baby.


Two, relatives of the deceased begged for Binta’s bail but the DPO denied it and insisted on incarcerating the woman even as she was bleeding from the beating she received from the complainant. He was so heartless an animal that he even refused to allow her drink water which she asked the husband to provide her with.


Three, unlike Maimuna who survived her serial rape to demand for justice, Binta did not survive to even tell her story, let alone demand for justice. Nor would her baby girl know the circumstance that killed her mother, for the baby died immediately after her birth.


Four, the response of the Kaduna Police Command is most irresponsible. All it did was to transfer the DPO to another division, as if he did nothing wrong. The Commissioner of Police even refused to answer a question raised by a journalist about the incident at a press conference. The command is keeping the result of the autopsy hidden.


This story, like that of Maimuna, epitomises the callousness of many in the Nigerian Police. By the refusal of the Kaduna command to sanction the DPO, the Police have clearly chosen to side with him in the case. It is not worth any punishment, in their judgement. The police by their action are asking the nation the following questions: So what, if a Nigerian loses his life in a police cell? How many such deaths happen across the country every day in police cells? Why would Binta’s be different even to warrant a whole oga DPO to be reprimanded? It is normal!


It is this camaraderie that damages the police beyond correction. The good among them are not ready to punish or expose the bad. The guilty is hidden and protected, unless he is inconsequential when he will be used as a sacrificial lamb. That is why Inspector Dantalle escaped from being charged in Kano despite his participation in the rape of Maimuna. The girl insists that he too raped her. But the police commissioner only demoted him to sergeant. Nigerian Police Force!


The police should not therefore blame the public for any generalisation. The Police force is one of the worst institutions of government in Nigeria and one of the worst human rights violators in the world. There is no crime that its personnel have not been committing in this country. They rape the vulnerable; they kill at the slightest provocation; many have been caught in armed robbery; they provide politicians with the security cover to rig elections and harass the opposition; they extort money from drivers; they hesitate to provide security to civilians when their help is needed; just name it. Only few people were able to come outsatisfied after having any business with the Nigerian Police.


The only two explanations they give to their incapacity are their inadequate numbers and lack of sophisticated equipment. If we may ask, did the DPO in Rigasa need three policemen to arrest a pregnant woman? Did he need any equipment to detain her in her bleeding state under the subhuman conditions of the Nigerian police cell, without food or water? All he needed to do was to behave like a human being, not an animal who is animated by the little bribe from a complainant to kill an innocent mother and her baby. It is that humanity that is missing in the Nigerian police. Its personnel could freely engage in human right abuses with impunity. And because their officer corps is raised through such a regime of violations it hardly reprimands its subordinates for any misdeed. Instead, the subordinate is encouraged by the assurance of espirit de corps to violate the rights of Nigerians again and again. The police have lost the power and wisdom of self-control.


The image of the police is in its hands. It can improve it by standing up to those who violate its ethics among its rank and file, if it likes. Who is surprised that the DPO of Kwali before whom the complaint of Maimuna’s rape and sex-slavery was brought pleaded with her relations to “forgive his men”? Who is surprised that the Police command in Kano has not reprimanded him too? They have grown through the rank and file of one of the most corrupt institutions in the country. They cannot be different. Ringim has the arduous task of proving himself different by changing the pattern of behaviour of his officers. He must punish where punishment is desired. He must show his men that Nigerians are more important than the uniforms the police wear.


On our part, I think Nigerians have been handling the police with kid’s gloves. We let them go with literally anything. We call ourselves educated when we do not even know the basic elements of our rights. There are institutions we can use to seek redress, not simply sitting down and crying before a newspaper reporter. The judiciary is there. Nobody is above it. What stops victims from lodging their complaints immediately their rights are violated with public complaint commissions, with their elected representatives, with their pastors and imams, with the human rights groups in their states, with just anyone they revere?


The police, for example, shiver at the sight of a lawyer and immediately start to do the right thing. Why do we fail to avail ourselves with the services of lawyers? If the victim cannot afford one, what of the state legal aid that offers free legal services just as does the NBA to such poor victims? Going public should even be the last resort, though the radio and the newspapers have been forthcoming here.


Educating us on our legal rights I think is the best contribution any government or private agency can offer towards curtailing these abuses. It will yield more dividends than concentrating on the present approach that is largely post-mortem and very costly. Let people know that where the police are involved in a violation, very little would naturally come out from them. They cannot be judges in their own course. This is a basic presumption in law. Recourse must be found in avenues outside the rotten department. Had the relatives of Maimuna not sought the help of the Hisbah and human rights groups in Kano, her case would not have been heard by the world. The police would have suppressed it as they suppressed millions of human rights abuses before. Even now, I agree that a more prudent independent investigation needs to be carried out by an independent body on Maimuna's case as suggested by many contributors.


Since the story of Binta broke out last Sunday, I have been in contact with Sister Maryam Uwais to learn what the women groups can offer on this. Fortunately, she has been in the picture too and has discussed it with Hajiya Saudatu Sani of WRAPA. Maryam also assured me via email that “FIDA, PSC, the NHRC and a few other NGOs have also joined WRAPA in ascertaining the fact in the Rigasa matter, which is the first step.”


The DPO in Rigasa was instrumental to the death of Binta. He should be charged with voluntary homicide. Simple. Binta did not need to be his mother before he could know that a bleeding pregnant woman requires urgent medical attention, not detention in a filthy police dungeon. His classroom training must have told him that his most important duty as a policeman is the protection of life, not destroying it. Here, he chose to destroy both the mother and her baby. His training also must have taught him the principle of fair hearing, the right for the accused to be heard before he is charged.


It is, however, regrettable that his practice taught him something different. It taught him to take bribe, take sides and kill the life. In addition, it taught him that he is a sacred cow.


Not this time. After killing his victim, the coward rushed to cover his ass by ordering the arrest of the complainant and seeking a transfer. He got it. But Binta too will get justice, even in her grave. The cow must be slaughtered this time. Let the coward be rest assured.


This case makes me to suggest the formation of an NGO that would specifically address issues bordering on police human rights abuses. It can be called “Friends of the NPF” or any other suitable word because the Police force cannot have better friends than members of such organisation. The police should not see this as a threat but rather as an aid that will help them solve one of their most pressing problems. Saving the police from itself must concern every Nigerian, in my estimation. The abuses are just too many and endemic for the force to extricate itself from. It requires a concerted external pressure. The cases are also too many for existing NGOs to be tackling while they also address their primary areas of concern.


The funding of such a group should come from individuals, groups and the government, which can channel its own through the NHRC and the police departmental vote. Such a group should be composed of human right lawyers, interested ex-police officers with proven integrity, human rights groups, community leaders in its branches and interested individuals. It could even be formed jointly by human rights groups. I hope readers will help to refine this rudimentary idea and go ahead to source the people who would be ready to follow it up to fruition.


By Aliyu Tilde
Christianity EtcRe: How To Convert To Islam And Become A Muslim by seyibrown(f): 1:56am On Dec 31, 2010
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Christianity EtcRe: Right Vs Wrong Christianity? by seyibrown(f): 1:13am On Dec 31, 2010
@ Oyinda

A personal relationship with Christ is what will clarify things. Trying to SEE JESUS through the EYES OF ANYBODY ELSE doesn't take you to him! You must seek him PERSONALLY!

As per witchcraft/demonic activity, It exists EVERYWHERE! Many of the manifestations of demonic possession/activity are addressed medically/psychologically instead of spiritually in the West!  It is the West's turn to deal with witchcraft/demonic actyivity as has been known in Africa. 
Christianity EtcRe: My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?. by seyibrown(f): 5:47pm On Dec 30, 2010
vexdacool,

My question was simple was this how you read it in the Books of Books the Qur'an? To which you quoted the veres below, which showed that it was not written the way you stated it, again you did not show where in the Qur'an ALLAH reffered to women as omen, again neither did you show where in the Qur'an where ALLAH said women are half intelligent than men, that was you assertion, that ALLAH revealed to muhammad the above assertions.
I do not have to quote Mohammed word for word. I am intelligent enough to understand and interpret what he said.

You are either poorly verse in english or just not intelligent enough to understand what you read, for crying out loud where did the Qur'an state if yoyu are angry with your wife you should beat the/refuse to sleep with them, now let us pick a single of the quotation below.

Yusuf Ali Version
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

Now point were it says angry in the above verse, as it clearly says disloyalty and ill conduct. Again we read that the first step in correcting your spouse is to talk(Admonish her) to her(But the perversion in your heart made you overlook that  since it will weraken your poor arguement), the next step it says do not share bed with them and them the last is beat them lightly. But your usual Bear parlour way of reading made this verse seems as if when angry - which could have stem from even legitimate sources/enquiries bit them and bannish them from your bed. When I read the Mathew luke and John triology we do not come of any sensible advise on how to run your home and agin we even read Jesus was not married, hence u guys would have to run to the OT and get some advise, funny enough it has been done away with.
[b]Just one question: When your wife is disloyal to you or has done something you term 'ill- conduct', ARE YOU HAPPY WITH HER? It doesn't make sense to me that GOD WOULD COMMAND A MAN TO /ADMONISH/BEAT/DENY HIS WIFE CONJUGAL RIGHTS WHEN HE IS HAPPY WITH HER! If your wife insults your family, I am sure that could be termed as ill-conduct, WILL YOU BE HAPPY WITH HER, OR ANGRY WITH HER? You see, vedaxcool, you just wasted time explaining that ' the Quran only says to ADMONISH/BEAT/DENY CONJUGAL RIGHTS to your wife ONLY when SHE IS DISLOYAL OR DOES WRONG because it is not possible for you to be HAPPY WITH YOUR WIFE  for doing something which Allah commands her to be BEATEN FOR!  grin Are you still a bit confused or in denial? or are you just into sadomasochism so much THAT YOU BEAT YOUR WIFE OUT OF HAPPINESS AND JOY?  grin The latter is seriously something that holy men do not do! You just wasted time denying a correct interpretation and application of what Allah said here and did not offer a better or different explanation or application![/b]

seyibrown:
4. "Women are omens" (SAHIH BUKHARI, BOOK 62 (Wedlock, Marriage Nikaah))

30 'Narrated Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "Evil omen is in the women, the house and the horse.' 
31' Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Evil omen was mentioned before the Prophet: The Prophet said, "If there is evil omen in anything, it is in the house, the woman and the horse." 
32 ' Narrated Sahl bin Sad: Allah's Apostle said, "If at all there is bad omen, it is in the horse, the woman, and the house." 
33 ' Narrated Usama bin Zaid: The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women."
I quoted the above in support of the 'omen' matter and you ask me as quoted below to show you where it says 'omen' in verse 33. Go back to verse 30, 31, 32. In verse 33, he makes it worse by declaring women as AFFLICTION TO MEN!

Pls point were omen was used in this hadith, again this proves your usual inclination to lie at will when the situation favors it, as the hadith has nothing to do with omen and it is very much easy to understand, as we can all see the kinds of behavior women of this day invovle in all in the name of God knows what.
. .  . . .  and you even dare say it is true that 'women are afflictions to men', considering that more r/a"pes, murders, suicide bombings and other atrocities are committed by men than women! angry Was it an affliction to have given birth to you, suckled you for months, comforted you when you cried, taken care of you for a long time?  angry

Keep wearing your extensions and attachements, to falsify your beauty(or Ugliness ), since that is what your life is about, do not forget the miniskirt and show me your belly combo. That is the fruit Christianity has bore all in the name of Grace, this same grace that will fill you kind in hell, since to people like you Grace = Imorality(Operation show everything you have, I only wonder how that is suppose to help the course of Morality and godliness in this world?). And you think women are not going to full hell? anybody with common sense knows there are more women than men and it is only natural for you to see them more in hell.
I take it you didn't get the joke and that your wife(ves) wear suku adimole all the time or perhaps they are 'eleha ipade d'orun' grin

So, what was the question again? Divorce remain a serious issue not one that you do today and recount tommorow, though i understand your concern since drunks are very much the common decimal in Christianity, hence maybe you fear that perharps if one of this drunks happen to divorce his wife, he might want her back after his eyes don clear too , and again this hadith shows Temporary marriage are not acceptable forms of marriage, since the prophet indicated that when married to someone all the facilities of marriages is enjoined for the couples
In other words, to prevent temporary marriages, Allah commands that upon divorce, a couple cannot come back together unless the woman has consummated marriage with anotehr man! Brilliant. Thanks for the explanation. Can you tell this to the Iranians and all other Islamic countries that practice temporary marriage as part of Islam!

Obviously, u are the maggot eating cretin who is apperntly an expert in the art of eating maggot. And as for somking something, i only hope you are not a not-so-smart person as I have told u smoking is not in my book/not a way of doing things for me, bear parlour drunk, Sexual imorality has everthing to do with Christ since cretins like yourself claim that u live under grace, u only need believe you are saved and then you are, did u claim that jesus died for your sins, or is it only a mere staement with no sensible meaning, as we understand you people to say that the blood of Jesus takes the responsibility of your sins. Good Muslims do not drink Alcohol, but both good and bad Christians drink Alcohol and lose their way under it influence, reminds me of my corper days, how many Christians were always drinking at night and misbehaving, to the extent of sleeping in Gutters let me not state other idiosities they did in camp under the influnece of Alcohol, in fact no muslim in the room i stayed drank Alcohol only the merry Christians out doing theirselves in the devil's foolery, yet you will see this same fellow claiming rightoeusness that exceed those of the pope, till this moment the Holy Ghost has no sensible advise to give this misguided band of Drunks, even HIV activist during my time on Camp often say of how Drunkeness has lead people to do stuffs that land them in the AIDS palaver,  The solution Islam has given muslims has Not Only saved us from disgraace but from also dishonor. As for your claims of me  proving things I have have not prove, I say this, have you taken time to go through this thread, I guess not, Being a fan of Alcohol, it seems u have a memory lapse problem, which is only part of the diesease you find in  Alcohol, Like the Zakir Niak once said, Alcohol is the only diesease sold in bottle". What a shame the Holy Ghost has not got that piece of Information. As for feigning pretence to verses from the Qur'an, I can only say that it is you usual dubious understanding of simple english(to me it is a deliberate mis-understanding) that usually earns u the Tag of Lying Hypocrit again I refer others to this link which shows how easily u fail to read and understand:
Did CHRIST PRACTICE/PREACH/TEACH SEXUAL IMMORALITY? The answer is NO, and that MAKES YOU A LIAR in saying that Sexual Immorality has everything to do with Christ. Show me where in the Bible he committed Sexual immorality if you can grin!

Did Mohammed on the other hand practice sexual immorality? YES, HE DID, and this is backed by Islamic scriptures that tell of his many sexual partners, forced and willing!


Olodo, You have not point where Jesus condems Polygamy.Period. Polygamy was Practiced by the Jews during the time of Jesus if Jesus felt do strong about the "evils" of Polygamy then he would have condemed it seriouly yet we read in the above Jesus comdeming Divorce, or is your memory lapse seriously affecting you?
Again, Sorry, what was the question again? Stop swallowing maggots first; start drinking milk and you will then grow teeth fit for meat. Sexual immorality has nothing to do with Christ. It is one Man and one woman as it was in the garden of Eden and Jesus referred to that fact in Matthew 19: 3 -12. No man loves his wife so much that he marries another one, or loves his wife so much that he demands faithfulness from her but he himself is not faithful to her.  . . .  and you did rightly say 'JEWISH TRADITION', it was their practice to marry more than one woman instead of following GOD'S ORIGINAL PLAN OF ONE EVE TO ONE ADAM! Enjoy your four wives (many sexual partners grin) and let the sheep of Christ enjoy their one wife!

Show were the word Clarifies was used in the Qur'an with regards to the torah and injel, And from all indications u are just another Paulish Liar in this thread always making allegations which are notr consistent with its prove,again I dare you, your Pastor to prove that the Qur'an commands Muslims to do opposites of what Moses and Jesus did, silly Liar! i hope fear has not overwelmed u? As even a goat in my Back yard will know that the Qur'an, hadiths aencourages muslims to do what is right, the ten commandments are very consistent with Qur'anic injuctions laws such as not stealing, back biting, defruading, commiting Aldultry etc and we read Jesus in the NT saying he has not come to abolish the comandments but to confirm them,instead the hypocrit in you claims his death Abolished every form of punishment in the OT, very pathetic indeed is the situstion oof one who has taken a servant to be his god, indeed there is no diety worthy of Worship except ALLAH and Muhammad PBUH is his messenger. The Jews rejected JEsus till  date because of the one sensible reasoning "A jew can not be God to another jew" to jews Jesus is just another Jew, Moses is just another Jew, but to the unthinking Jesus(who claims to be a servant of God) became ajust as equal to God Auzobillah.  Falsehood by it's nature is bound to fade
I will accept correction! Does the Quran CONFIRM what was already sent through Moses and Jesus(Previous revelations/ that which is already with you)?

This Koran is not such as can be produced by other than Allah;
on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it,
and a fuller explanation of the Book Quran10:37 .


and

Verily this Koran doth (does) explain to the Children of Israel
most of the matters in which they disagree
Quran 27:76 .


Do the words in italics not point to 'CLARIFY'? You are some Joker! You are fond of asking non-muslims to prove what they say about Islam hoping it will not be dug out of your scriptures! grin



The matter of re-marriage , and punishment for theft are just two of how the Quran teaches the opposite of what it claims to have come to confirm and clarify.

In the OT, the Man who has put a way his wife and she has gone away to another man CANNOT HAVE HER BACK. It is abomination to the Lord. In Islam, the woman MUST CONSUMMATE MARRIAGE WITH ANOTHER before her husband is allowed to have her back.

In the OT, thieves are to RESTORE FIVE TIMES what they stole; Islam AMPUTATES the thief! The OT principle is for property theft be repaid with property, The Quran TAKES AWAY AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE THIEF'S LIFE and adds to his burden FOR LIFE by taking away his Hand or Leg, DESTROYING part of him! The Bible tells me that the THIEF (DEVIL) HAS COME TO STEAL, KILL & DESTROY! The devil's main purpose is to KILL MAN before he CAN RECONCILE WITH HIS CREATOR! Anyone, institution, organisation that robs a man of the opportunity to reconcile with God is OF THE DEVIL! grin
Christianity EtcRe: Why Deceive Yourselves, No Nigerian Can Go To Heaven by seyibrown(f): 3:44pm On Dec 30, 2010
@ johndoe200

Thanks for explaining to mabel.

@ mabell,

I was pointing out that some xtians do things that cannot be found in the life and teachings of Christ. e.g A pastor who takes 'advantage' of a female church member cannot find any justification for his action in the life/teachings of Christ.
Christianity EtcRe: Is it true that Jesus was not actually born on December 25th? by seyibrown(f): 1:54am On Dec 30, 2010
DevotedOne:
seyibrown
It doesn't give the actual date, you will have to do the math yourself. Prophet 'Isa [Jesus, PBUH] would have been 12 years old in 2 AD [C.E. or, Common Era].
If you adopted a child whose Date of Birth you do not know, would you refuse to set aside a day for his birthday if your biological children have a party for their birthday every year? Since 'Barnabas' does not give you a date of birth for Jesus Christ, Xtians are happy to celebrate his birth on the DAY SET ASIDE - 25th of December. It doesn't matter whether the date was originally the date for worshipping Shango, we know WHAT EXACTLY we are celebrating on the 25th of December, and it is THE BIRTH OF THE SAVIOUR OF MANKIND!

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