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I had a dream this morning that has unsettled me right to this very moment.

I found myself in a Northern-Style settlement (Open plains, mud huts and thatched roofs) I was seated on some make-shift stool from a tree stump holding a wooden cane in my hands.

Two men approached me; an elderly person and a young man. The young man pointed to me and said "That's him" they asked me to hold up the cane and i noticed some Arabic markings on it in white paint and i could not read it. The Old man took the cane from my hand and looked at it then said "Allahu Akbar" strangely, i repeated after him "Allahu Akbar". He asked me to close my eyes and open my mouth then it started to rain and get this. I could taste the water. After the water had collected in my mouth, the old man asked me to swallow it. At this point i was now wary of swallowing but was to embarrassed to spit it out, so faked swallowing by gulping down air. and I woke up.

It has not been my usual morning because from the point i woke up, I have had this irresistible urge to say "Allahu Akbar" and read the Quran. I have actually called a friend to buy one for me. I also have a numb spot on my left palm as if i have hit it against a blunt object.


Please is there anyone with skills in interpreting dreams, I am open to suggestions.

Thanks

Too much 'lager'the night before? 

You are holding 'the truth' but you really do not know it. It is interpreted to you as Islam with 'signs and wonders' and you are fed with it. Your heart does not agree with it but you accept it in pretense as you have nothing in you to counter/compare/confirm/examine the authority and validity of the interpretation of the markings on the cane as 'given' to you !

Dream 'analysed' on the probability that you did dream it!

vedaxcool:
Falsehood by its' nature is bound to fade

Vedaxcool, oya now! Bring de commandments make we discuss dem ! Are you refusing to bring them out because they 'match the Ten commandments given to Moses'? 

Merry Xmas!

Sweetnecta:
I will wait with vedaxcool to read that verse of the Quran that says women are OMEN, never mind what time of omen. Thats another subject altogether.

Seyi, please dont keep us waiting until next week. do it now.

No vex, Bros mi! I have been busier than usual lately and might be for a long time. Nevertheless, I will always find time for all my friends that the Almighty God is interested in! A ku odun o! May God establish the Joy he sent to the world in our lives! Amen!

Emi ni mo ni ayo mi
Ayo ti Jesu fi fun mi
Satani ko (ko s'eni to) le ba mi du rara
Kristi lo fi fun mi   

Ayo igbala l'ayo mi
Jesu Kristi l'ayo mi

sweetnecta,

I would have bought that from Allah but he also said that MEN SHOULD BEAT THEIR WIVES and REFUSE TO SLEEP WITH THEM WHEN ANGRY WITH THEM. He also revealed to Mohammed that there were more Women in hell, that women are omens, the intelligence of a woman is half that of a man, Women cannot return to their husbands who divorced them UNLESS they first marry somebody else and sleep with that person! I also DO NOT WISH TO BE FORCED TO WEAR OR VEIL OR FORCED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE FOR THAT MATTER!

Justify your claims with evidence madam, eh, you say he said women are omens, now that statement appears senseless, what ttype of omen? furnish what you write with evidence instead of repeating bear parlour talks. in addition to the senseless statement ALLAH siad man should beat their wives, is that how you read it in d Qur'an? again you said  he said more women will go to  hell, so? what has that believed or you want equal number of men and women to go to hell? this is only an indication of a very simple fact looking at our enviroment I wonder what a woman like yourself wear, i hope it is decent, as indecent dressing has become a christian trade mark, no, imagine that married women this day among you Christians wear if not skimpy miniskirt to do what? make your husband enemies jealousLol! on a serious note you need to read things for yourself and understand before rushing to Nl to post shi*t as new signs from the holy ghoul against Islam, ok.  I wonder you a follower of paul, have you ever wondered what women wore during the time of paul, mini skirt? no they dressed very decently amd adequately cover themselves unlike you people whom pastor christ advise to uncover your head and flunt what yu have. but all this failed morality of Christianity

Let me add: Muslim women who wear artificial hair are also cursed by Allah as narrated in 133 of the above referenced:
Narrated 'Aisha: An Ansari woman gave her daughter in marriage and the hair of the latter started falling out. The Ansari women came to the Prophet and mentioned that to him and said, "Her (my daughter's) husband suggested that I should let her wear false hair." The Prophet said, "No, (don't do that) for Allah sends His curses upon such ladies who lengthen their hair artificially." 

sweetnecta and vedaxcool: Make suo your wife(wives) wear their hair natural! No wigs, attachments, extensions etc uplawal, Shey you dey hear? 'Adimole suku ologede, koroba, k'ojusoko, ipako elede etc for you all da time  if you want Jannat!

Quran 2: 230 (Shakir version)
Shakir
So if he divorces her she shall not be lawful to him afterwards until she marries another husband; then if he divorces her there is no blame on them both if they return to each other (by marriage), if they think that they can keep within the limits of Allah, and these are the limits of Allah which He makes clear for a people who know.



Narrated 'Aisha:
Rifa'a Al-Qurazi divorced his wife irrevocably (i.e. that divorce was the final). Later on 'Abdur-Rahman bin Az-Zubair married her after him. She came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I was Rifa'a's wife and he divorced me thrice, and then I was married to 'Abdur-Rahman bin AzZubair, who, by Allah has nothing with him except something like this fringe, O Allah's Apostle," showing a fringe she had taken from her covering sheet. Abu Bakr was sitting with the Prophet while Khalid Ibn Said bin Al-As was sitting at the gate of the room waiting for admission. Khalid started calling Abu Bakr, "O Abu Bakr! Why don't you reprove this lady from what she is openly saying before Allah's Apostle?" Allah's Apostle did nothing except smiling, and then said (to the lady), "Perhaps you want to go back to Rifa'a? No, (it is not possible), unless and until you enjoy the sexual relation with him ('Abdur Rahman), and he enjoys the sexual relation with you." (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 107

Jesus - the word of God - does not forbid alcohol and through God's Spirit -The Holy spirit - we know that EXCESSIVE ALCOHOL is a no-no for Xtians. Jesus REMINDED us that IN THE BEGINNING, GOD MADE THEM 'MAN & WOMAN'and we know by the Holy spirit that ANYTHING that exceeds ONE MAN + ONE WOMAN is SINFUL . God commands us to Love our neighbour as ourselves, do unto otehrs what we would want them to do to us,  and we know that this also applies to the our spouses. The Bible also advises Men to love their wives 'AS CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH', this is to the extent that Christ DIED FOR THE CHURCH! Men are to love their wives so much that they would die first rather than harm them. I will also like to point out to you that  a wife taking her husband's name is not COMPULSORY in Xtianity!

for those that do not have sword sell your garments and buy one - Jesus on the importance of swords in the life of a Prophet.  can YOU POINT TO WHERE Jesus CONDEMNED polygamous marriage in the bible
No wonder we hear of many Christians who do ignoble things under the influence of Aicohol, no wonder the world suffers liver hardening and other sundry diseases because of Alcohol. Men have slept with their daughter because they were under the influence of alcohol just like with read in the indecency ridden bible of how Lot slept with his daughters who bore children that became ancestors of Jesus. what a pity the holy ghost(whose Id remains unknown) has no sensible advise for you people.

Actually this thread prove beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus never intended to die for your sin and did not die for your sin as God miraculously saved Jesus to the shame of the Jews. more evidence will be on shortly.

The same way you usually prove things? Prove my shalanga! Or the same way the Quran 'clarifies and confirms' what was sent through Moses and Jesus? Siddon for there. It is clear to all who do not call darkness light that the Quran actually mostly commands people to do the opposite of Moses and Jesus! . . . don't even think of asking me to prove it! 

Alhamdulillah. Mo se Ope fun Olorun Oba Alanu Julo Olore Ofe Adajipele esan. Every weekend brings me closer to my destiny. I pray to Almighty Allah that all that I must achieve to be among those He is pleased with and has incurred His Favor. Amin. I hope you will come to that realization? There is no safety except with Allah. All worship and obedience are forbidden except what Allah permits. All other things are allowable except what Allah commands us not to do. It was okay to consume alcohol before Allah forbade it. And people used to marry more wives than you can shake a stake at, until Allah limited it appropriately. Women didnt use to have right of inheritance until Allah gave them that right. Women used to lose their father's name and adopt the husband's family name until Allah restored the honor of continuance of family name. You would have been Ms Seyi Father's name even if you wish to add brown to it.   See what you are missing not being a muslim?

Give me a man that would die for me because God commands him to; I'll take him over one that would kill me because Allah commands him to . 

Hebrew, if thats what you call the family of Jacob (AS) had no laws of their own. At best they must be under the ruling of their great grandfather Ibrahim, who passed down good morality down to them through his son Isiaqa, who passed it down to Yaqub the father of the tribes. Imagine if the law of kidnapping of human being under Noah was applied to the children of Jacob when they sold Joseph after seizing him away from the presence of their father, throwing him in the well, first and selling him into slavery, lying that he was gored by wild beast? Do you think they would not have been killed, except that the ruling of God is True, revealing it at the appropriate time? For people with wisdom, they will see Islam of Muhammad as the right religion, at the right time with the right process of Justice.

There was not even a mosaic law, because Moses came much later. Should there be mosaic law before Moses? It is not possible since Torah was revealed to Moses and in it Mosaic law anew for him to rule over the children of Israel. At best the law of the land where a crime is committed should have prevailed in the case of Benjamin. But everything was just; his brother was the ruler, wishing to hold him behind, part of what Allah has ordained, leading to the fullness of His Plan for the Israelites in Egypt.

Please, say the bolded above AGAIN, and MAKE SURE 'NAIRANDER Devoted One' HEARS IT FROM A FELLOW MUSLIM!  You must have found the above out because you EXAMINED THAT PART OF THE QURAN! Advise him to EXAMINE the Quran so that he can answer non-believers when they ask him questions. 



@  Devoted One,

You are also very welcome to EXAMINE the verse below:

2 Timothy 2:15 (Amplified Bible)
15Study and be eager and do your utmost to present yourself to God approved (tested by trial), a workman who has no cause to be ashamed, correctly analyzing and accurately dividing [rightly handling and skillfully teaching] the Word of Truth.



You might just be able to understand why it is OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE that you EXAMINE THE QURAN instead of 'CRAMMING'(memorising without understanding) IT!

DevotedOne:
I do not (as stated earlier) play with The Bounteous Qur'an.

This thread is off topic!

DevotedOne:
[Center]Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim In The Name of Allah, The Only GOD, The Most Merciful, The All Merciful. As salaamu 'alaikum; The peace be upon you, everyone.[/Center]

  seyibrown


The Noble Qur'an is the corrector, hence protector of previous Scripture; this is at the very least proof of tampering with previous Scripture.

Because the church may have called Barnabas' gospel apocrypha or heretic, proves nothing, since it [I](Barnabas' gospel)[/I] is in many instances supported, by The Holy Qur'an. Note here, that the New Testament is in conflict with The Bounteous Qur'an.

It is not clear to me what is meant by "the 'books' have been corrupted by, 'enlightenment' from NL Muslims." If you will please elaborate.


Then answered Andrew: "Now how shall the truth be known?" Jesus answered: "Everything that conforms to the Book of Moses, that receive you for true; seeing that God is one, the truth is one; whence it follows that the doctrine is one and the meaning of the doctrine is one; and therefore the faith is one. Truly I say to you that if the truth had not been erased from the Book of Moses, God would not have given to David our father the second. And if the book of David had not been contaminated, God would not have committed the Gospel to me; seeing that the Lord our God is unchangeable, and has spoken but one message to all men. Wherefore, when the Messenger of God shall come, he shall come to cleanse away all wherewith the ungodly have [U]contaminated my book[/U]." Chapter 124

seyibrown:
DevotedOne, What is the prescribed punishment for a thief in the Book of Moses; what is prescribed in the Quran; what punishment did Mohammed command/have carried out on thieves; and what punishment does Sharia mete out on thieves?

DevotedOne:
Bismillaah.   Salaam/Peace.


Chapter 154 [I]Comments:[/I]  Some commentators state; amputation of the [I]right hand[/I] - under Islamic law: 5:38-39. The Jewish law, regardng theft is also found in Al- Qur'aan: 12:74-77, 81. (Exodus 22:1-4 theft). For murder: 2:178; 5:32 Qur'an. Psalms 62:10, "Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase, set not your heart [upon them].  Muhammad S.A.A.W., would have carried out what is prescribed in The Holy Qur'an.

Gospel of Barnabas chapter 154

seyibrown:
[b]Exodus 22:1-4 (Amplified Bible)

Exodus 22
1IF A man steals an ox or sheep and kills or sells it, he shall pay five oxen for an ox, or four sheep for a sheep.
    2If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no blood shed for him.

    3But if the sun has risen [so he can be seen], blood must be shed for slaying him. The thief [if he lives] must make full restitution; if he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

    4If the beast which he stole is found in his possession alive, whether it is ox or backside or sheep, he shall restore double.

When I checked Al- Qur'aan: 12:74-77, 81, on quran.com (Sahih Intl Version), it says nothing about the Jewish Law's punishment for a thief. Moses hadn't been born at that time so there  was no MOSAIC LAW, and the Egyptians certainly DID NOT live under any JEWISH LAW under which they could have punished Benjamin. Please give the correct Quranic verse if you stated it wrong.

For starters, How does amputation for theft in Islam 'clarify and confirm' restoration as stated in Moses' Law?

Well, you are saying that the law predated Prophet Musa [Moses, PBUH] which it did. I guess I should have said Hebrews instead of Jews, who I would suppose came later.

seyibrown:
[b]Sorry, I NOWHERE said the Law predated Moses. I asked you for the Moses' punishment for thieves that and YOU CLAIMED the same was applied in Al- Qur'aan: 12:74-77, 81 which is simply INCORRECT on investigation.  Your earlier post leads one to conclude that you are saying that Mosaic Law was IN USE BEFORE MOSES WAS BORN and THAT THIEVES HANDS WERE BEING CUT ACCORDING TO THAT LAW but on investigation it is your claim is incorrect! There is no record of any HEBREW LAW BEING USED BY THE EGYPTIANS before Moses was born that requires the amputation of thieves, and the gospel of Barnabas as quoted by you does not refer to Hebrew Law. It states that anything that CONFORMS to Moses Law is what you should take as the truth.

Moses' Law requires thieves to pay back 5 times but Islamic Law says to amputate thieves. The Quran claims to 'clarify and CONFIRM' the Torah and the Gospel. Is AMPUTATION a 'clarification and confirmation' of RESTORATION? The Quran clearly DOES NOT CLARIFY OR CONFIRM THE LAW OF MOSES OR THE GOSPEL! I am sorry but the Quran LIES about ITSELF in that respect! I can confidently say that it has no credibility of its own and only seeks validation using that which is credible! It is a SHAM that is NOT RELATED to MOSES or the 'SENDER OF MOSES' at all! THE WORD OF GOD DOES NOT MISLEAD HIS CHILDREN! Please prove me wrong by CLARIFYING any misconceptions you think I have on this matter![/b]

DevotedOne:
6.68 [Color=Green]When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong.[/Color]

seyibrown:
Okay, Devoted One. I respect your wishes not to discuss your faith as commanded by the Quran. My faith tells me to search everything and hold on to that which is the truth, hence my investigating and pointing out the inconsistencies and errors in your presentation of Islam as agreeing with Mosaic Law. IT DOES NOT! Professing what cannot be backed up about Islam makes Islam look really dodgy. Try to preach what will be found to be true upon investigation. Investigate before you proclaim!

God bless you and let his light shine upon you! Amen!

DevotedOne:
I'm not about to play games with Al-Qur'an. A question was asked of the travellers, and an answer was given. I assumed that the answer was regardful of the law respected by the family of Jacob, which it was [I](I assumed that they be Hebrews)[/I]. I never suggested that amputation was of the Hebrew law. There was never any consideration given to Egyptian laws. Read carefully!

012.074 [Color=Green](The Egyptians) said: "What then shall be the penalty of this, if ye are (proved) to have lied?"[/Color]
012.075 [Color=Green]They said: "The penalty should be that he in whose saddle-bag it is found, should be held (as bondman) to atone for the (crime). Thus it is we punish the wrong- doers!"[/Color]

@Seyibrown:
Apologies for derailing your thread. I 'll henceforth strictly limit my posts here.

No probs, aletheia! Since vedaxcool has come on board too, it's only fair to have too!

[b]ALLAH disqualified the bible and The NT [/b]becuase of the presence of Corrruption in them. This matter has long beeen settled. Do you think God is a racist who only wants to guide the Jews? No we Muslims concieve of God as being Just and fair. In the Qur'an God says emphatically, there is no nation that we did not sent guidiace. So your poor thinking in relation to God, cannot be blamed on me. As Other religions of the word could have been from God and sufferred Corruption Just as people like you kept twisting the bible to say what they want it to say. So in essence the Prophetship of muhammad the greatest emancipator of Mankind was to provide the spiritual guidiance to all of mankind unlike the Jesus in the bible who claimed i have been sent to the lost sheep of Isreal. And Point where ALLAH say we should Slay christians and Jews, or shut you Lying mounth+hands up--and confess to being a Liar. You are fond of making claims that you cannot support.

And Point where ALLAH say we should Slay christians and Jews, or shut you Lying mounth+hands up--and confess to being a Liar. You are fond of making claims that you cannot support.

Just like Paul you think you can formulate lies to support your trashy doctrines that even majority of Christians do not believe, it is good for you to know that billy something that a Rev. used his hands to demostrate how the Holy Ghost Impregnant Mary, Like I said when people begin to lie to defend truths?? then they are actually living in falsehood. And as for not understanding, woman(you said you are ok if your son calls you woman and adds what Jopins me and you together) you are seriously deprived of it and still depriving yourself of it

It is called mercy yours  is called wickedness. and again madam woman gynastics you quietly dodge simple question contained in my response as the Bolded part can be written, bad intention are punished and while good intention are left unrewarded, the joke is on you. Since the god you worship seems only interested in punishing people for bad thoughts and not rewarding them for good thoughts, while the merciful ALLAH is very much only interested in our succes in this duniya, that is why HE enjoins repentance.

If you think God is wicked for judging thoughts, it has got nothing to do with me. Take it up with God! Talking about mercy and wickedness: I think MERCY is when a human HELPS another human to turn away from their sin; and WICKEDNESS is when a human KILLS/MAIMS another human for committing sin! Allah ENJOINS repentance but his RELIGION MAIMS/KILLS the same people he wants to repent? You better advise your brethren, looks like they are doing CONTRARY TO ALLAH'S WISHES!

I have only prioven you to be a hypocrit by biblical standards since you are not following what Jesus said but rather the scum called Paul whom contradicts Jesus left right and centre. Where did muslims claim Abulution takes sin away? Oh Ignorant Woman. Iqra! Read so that you may be freed from thr Ignorance the devil have casted on you. And Again the bolded part of the statement shows how difficult it is for you to explain doctrines of yours only true repentance takes away sin, Did you people claim believe in that Jesus died for your sin and automatically you are forgiven? Gymnastics indeed.

You have an OCD for claiming to have proven what you have not proven! You keep telling me I don't follow Jesus but do not show me the 'ever evasive Islamic gospel of Jesus' that says 'how exactly to follow Jesus to the satisfaction of Allah'. It's like me claiming that you ought to have wings being are a Nairalander but NEVER being able to show you ANY Nairalander - present or past - that has wings!

Good you accept that it is alright for your son to call you woman and ask what joins you and me together?[/b] Beautiful morals seyi has expounded here.I won't be suprise if you say that it is alright for your son to slap once in a while. And as for your other claims bring proof if you are truthful? as we know your flair to lie in the face of furstration.You need to ask God to free the spirit of lies and dishonesty from you, don't worry ALLAH still accepts the prayers of you disbelievers of truth.

I'd rather my son tonguelashed me to get me to stop sinning than killing me for accepting another faith! Don't you agree? Are you referring to my claims that Mohammed is a liar, despoiler, craddle-robber and murderer? Hasn't that been discussed time and again on the web and abundantly supported with Islamic scriptures? You think say no get beta thing to do? You are not even saying I misunderstand the scriptures but that I lie about it. If I lied about it I read from the Hadiths and the Quran and that makes both sources unreliable if you the Muslim disagree with what I read in them! Go and correct the Quran and the Hadiths and I will gladly read your new versions!

I am not wiser than God but I have the wisdom of God to be able to differentiate between God's commandments and Laws that were provided for Israel's civil administration.

Now you are claiming that God changes his laws after sometime and still insisting on being wiser than HIM, pls point where in the bible did God say specifically when revealing the verses that contained Punishments such as stoning Adulterers to death did he claim  it is only for Isreal, and again did Jesus say I did not come to abolish the Law but to confirm it.
Keep Paying lip service.

^^^^^^    If I may ask, WHAT DO YOU SMOKE IN YOUR SPARE TIME? 

As for the bolded in your quote, AS ALLAH, HE CLAIMS TO HAVE SENT MOSES TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. On kirikiri; the government does not send SINNERS there, the governement sends CRIMINALS there!   SINNERS transgress GOD's commandments; CRIMINALS transgress the LAWS OF THE LAND! Get it? CIVIL ADMINISTRATION is different from SPIRITUAL ADMINISTRATION.

Ignoramus par excellence ,  So in essence it is not a sin to break the laws of the land? Pathetic hiss

baba de baba vedaxcool!   

In due time

I really look forward to you sharing the commandments of Jesus to the young man to me! You night be able to shed light on a few things to me! 

Thanks!

Moses's prophetic office ended when Jesus arrive with his prophetic office. Jesus' prophetic office ended when Muhammad arrived with his prophetic office. Judaism was not an ordained religion from God. So is Christianity, a mere identity hauled on the followers of Christ at that time after his exit from the world. Was the title christianity or christians means sanctioned by The God Who sent jesus the servant?

No place did Allah use father for Himself in relationship to anyone. Did Adam have a Biological father? Did Mother Eve have a Biological father? Why is Jesus and Biological father so important al of a sudden and these two; Adam and Eve are not important? Who is their Biological mother? Who are those for Melchezedek? You people seem to be so gone ho over nothing. Jesus was no more than an apostle of God. Dont you see his mother like every woman? Dont you see Jesus eating like every man?

Play on words. Heaven now becomes holy heaven! There are better women than you who will enter Jannah. They are feminist of the highest women lib quality. Please my sister, flattering yourself will make no impression on me. I am the first to say you are better than me, because if you accept Islam, regardless of your earlier faults, they will be turned to good deeds, making you on the positive column without any negative.

Sweetnecta:
@Seyibrown: ^^^^^ It seems as if Seyibrown is stating that the people given laws from God first was Moses, rather the children of Israel especially when they were under the bondage of Egypt?

My sister, that is incorrect for laws relevant to the time and place and community started from the moment Allah said to Adam and his mate what He said of the laws; Dont come close to this Tree, otherwise you will be one of those who have wronged.

In time the law of not to kill unjustly was passed and Cain was guilty of it.

In time after many generations, until Noah we see that people perished because they did not Obey Allah. They did not follow the guidance that Noah was showing them. What was the specific content of that guidance? Could you say there was no punishment for stealing except repayment, until islam? yet in the time of Lut, illlegal entry of the wrong opening in sex wiped off a people, including the wife of Prophet Lut (AS).

Which crime there is a victim; the crime of homosexuality or the crime of stealing? If yahweh of the bible killed the homosexuals where al the criminals consented with each other or one another, what do think is adequate punishment of the man or woman who stole the property of the individual who is deprived its usage, when he is found in the time of Prophet Lut? I remember that Abraham for breaking the idols he was thrown in the fire. What do you think would have happened to a thief in that hard society, with a tyrannical king on the throne.

Lets fast forward to Joseph as the minister of the treasury in Egypt. In his brother's luggage they found his cup in Benjamin's. Read your Bible and tell us what was supposed to be the result? he was going to be dealth with very harshly. Lets move forward even to Moses time in Goshen of Egypt. Imagine if the from the children of Israel a thief was caught, stealing from the Egyptian masters? Tell us his faith.


Islam gave mercy. while a spinster would die for illegal sex, Islam gave only whipping.

Sweetnecta:
By the way, seyi, the law of Noah as they called it will kill a kidnapper (human theft), because he stole a human being.

sweetnecta, hope the weekend's going great!

In light of the discussion with Devoted One, there is no record of amputation as punishment for theft in Hebrew Law. Under the Egyptian custom, Benjamin would have been liable for death if found to have stolen the vessels. Egyptian Law was not Hebrew Law. Can you show me where Allah says he gave any Laws by any Egyptian prophet around that time?  I think not! When Mosaic Law came, the punishment for theft for was the thief to pay back 5 times what he stole, not to have his limbs cut off. On this point, Islam does not 'clarify and confirm' or agree with the Law of Moses as it claims to do!

Egyptian Law at the time of Joseph and Benjamin WAS NOT Mosaic Law or even Hebrew Law as Devoted One erroneously claimed, therefore Egyptian punishment has nothing to do with either!

DevotedOne:
6.68 [Color=Green]When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong.[/Color]

Okay, Devoted One. I respect your wishes not to discuss your faith as commanded by the Quran. My faith tells me to search everything and hold on to that which is the truth, hence my investigating and pointing out the inconsistencies and errors in your presentation of Islam as agreeing with Mosaic Law. IT DOES NOT! Professing what cannot be backed up about Islam makes Islam look really dodgy. Try to preach what will be found to be true upon investigation. Investigate before you proclaim!

God bless you and let his light shine upon you! Amen!

DevotedOne:
Well, you are saying that the law predated Prophet Musa [Moses, PBUH] which it did. I guess I should have said Hebrews instead of Jews, who I would suppose came later.

DevotedOne:
Bismillaah.   Salaam/Peace.

Chapter 154 [I]Comments:[/I]  Some commentators state; amputation of the [I]right hand[/I] - under Islamic law: 5:38-39. The Jewish law, regardng theft is also found in Al- Qur'aan: 12:74-77, 81. (Exodus 22:1-4 theft). For murder: 2:178; 5:32 Qur'an. Psalms 62:10, "Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase, set not your heart [upon them].  Muhammad S.A.A.W., would have carried out what is prescribed in The Holy Qur'an.

Gospel of Barnabas chapter 154

vedaxcool:
This is another one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA5Ivbhk1HE

do you think it is a validation of your faith?

Joagbaje:
Not really ,it's broad and trying to cut is short is getting my communication impeded. Maybe we have a thread on it next week

I was not asking you anything about Vedaxcool, but about Jews and Prophethood. Muhammad (AS) was not sent just because the single reason you gave. He was sent because it was already ordained because in Surah Imran, Allah states the Oath of supporting The Messenger (AS) was taken fro the earlier prophets (AS Jesus included) about their support, if they were to be alive when the messenger arrives. Of course Allah knows that none was going to be available on earth when Muhammad arrived as the last messenger sealing all prophethood. This oath is to answer people like you since Jesus said a comforter shall come after him to guide to all truth, among other things.

Religion is a way. True religion comes from The God Who creates. In this case Allah and the religion is Islam. Submission is religion in one word. Submission to Allah in the way He Orders is True Religion fro Him; Islam. The others are submissions to who they submit to; their submissions are to Satan who made wrong submissions seems right to them. Allah promise to overlook their fauts and reward the submitters who do their Submission to Him Alone with Paradise. Seyibrown, you as a christian only go to heaven. And there is a saying that all dogs go to heaven.

When you are done being a trinitarian pagan, the first thing that you should do is to get rid of the signature. I hope you do before the angel of death comes for you. He will come for every soul of man, under the Decree of Allah. This makes rapture a rap.

Adam (AS), his wife Hawa, neither had a father nor a other. Their being motherless made their situations even more unique than jesus'. Adam was from dust, Hawa was from rib and Jesus was from ovary. Each has a source. The Source is the Creator and this Creator is 1 Lord God Almighty. Read your Bible and see what Jesus said about the Lord God Almighty the Irresistible Creator.

Tell us what you mean by providing example, if you know anything about the science of the Quran and or the Hadith.
Maybe you have adopted the attitude of "oh my" guy, who has no clue but argues ferociously.

There is no Jannah in your future as a christian. Jannah belongs to Muslims in generations under their individual prophets, beginning from Adam (AS) to Muhammad (AS). Jesus (AS) era ended for sure when Muhammad began his prophethood. This is similar to Moses (AS) era ended for sure when Jesus began his prophethood. Muslims follow the process of worship of God and obedience to the rules of God given to the prophet whose era they exist.

I agree that I will not fit in Jannah; I'll stick out like a sore thumb being the only woman that will be protesting the se/xu-al immorality that abounds and preaching Jesus and casting out the demons of se-xu/al addiction . I do not like to endure the kind of bounties available there on this earth and would not want to endure it in the afterlife. I'll settle for an Holy heaven; I will not be out of place there!