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I cant but wonder that if it is not just that man do the bold, is it just for God to do the same? God is the Best in All Good Qualities and the Only One Who is Just. Can God be involved in unjust or act of injustice as you stated that it is even injustice for man to punish another man for sinning against God? Should God not punish the one who is guilty, instead of the one who is innocent?

And I try to stay away from the blames that you haul on David and Solomon, two noble men, while you take it that Lot drank and was violated by his daughters. Were there no men in Iraq where they came from, or Canaan where Uncle Abraham was with some people; the original canaanites? If the daughters had lived in a community of homosexuals till then without having sex, they could have held on for a month or two trekking to either of these places. Finally, on the idolatry thing, is that not where we will find the "moon-god" statue? Ah. I t was Palestine, where Jerusalem of David and Solomon and Ammon resided. Alhamdulillah, the idols were destroyed by Muslims when they reclaimed Makka. I remember when the giant Buhhdah was "imploded" in Afghanistan. If they could have toppled it as the Muslims (AS and RA) toppled them in Kaabah, the end result would have been the same; no idol is permissible to stand.

Tell me if Jesus of the Bible had anything to do with Galatians, above? I am asking this question because it was not recorded that he preached to the galatians, unless they are the lost sheep of Israel, just like the Yoruba christians or the whole of african christians are? He came to Yoruba land or he sent letter to them, or the igbo people left him because they didnt want to be around him so they migrated to Igboland, or what exactly?

Seyi, you are a mother, at least sometime in the future. If your 14 years old 5 ft 11 inches daughter says mom, this is the text that I receive from the High School soccer team captain or a 19 year old University Junior and it is that song of Solomon. What will you do with your daughter in terms of the content? Is there an advise of caution against the boy, or you just tell her, sweetie carry on? Seyi, if you dont want goats to be nibbling at the precious yam that you keep in the storage to be perfectly seasoned so that it has a good price tag on it, the door of the barn is kept locked and repairs are constantly made on the barn, checking up  on the yam, to be sure it preserved just right, coming along as you hope? I will not let my boy send that text to any woman, except his wife. And I will be upset if my young daughter receives something like that. That part ought to be banned. Oh am sorry, its the word of Christian God. Or should we blame the Jewish God in this case? Oluwaseyi, you need to jump over to the other side where you can keep your husband, and avoid such a text, keeping the whole revelation; the Quran.

All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness2timothy 3:16)

Joagbaje:
What is this babbler sayingg? , Why bring other threads here.? You should have confronted me in those threads not here Or they didn't give you food today?

ROTFL! Oh dear! Oh dear! Oh dear!

[quote author=Zhul-fiqar link=topic=573644.msg7409521#msg7409521 date=1293326265]1.) no i am not "DE GENIUS".


2.)what the bible teaches?take a look:


a.) see the biblical God punishment for sin: Ra.pe(compelling another man to have his wives slept with by someone close), Child Killing, and God's "Forgiveness"

2 Samuel 12:11-14

11 “This is what the LORD says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.’”

13 Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.”

   Nathan replied, “The LORD has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. 14 But because by doing this you have shown utter contempt for[a] the LORD, the son born to you will die.”



b.)brother ra.pes sister


2 Samuel 13
Amnon and Tamar
1 In the course of time, Amnon son of David fell in love with Tamar, the beautiful sister of Absalom son of David.
2 Amnon became so obsessed with his sister Tamar that he made himself ill. She was a virgin, and it seemed impossible for him to do anything to her.

3 Now Amnon had an adviser named Jonadab son of Shimeah, David’s brother. Jonadab was a very shrewd man. 4 He asked Amnon, “Why do you, the king’s son, look so haggard morning after morning? Won’t you tell me?”

   Amnon said to him, “I’m in love with Tamar, my brother Absalom’s sister.”

5 “Go to bed and pretend to be ill,” Jonadab said. “When your father comes to see you, say to him, ‘I would like my sister Tamar to come and give me something to eat. Let her prepare the food in my sight so I may watch her and then eat it from her hand.’”

6 So Amnon lay down and pretended to be ill. When the king came to see him, Amnon said to him, “I would like my sister Tamar to come and make some special bread in my sight, so I may eat from her hand.”

7 David sent word to Tamar at the palace: “Go to the house of your brother Amnon and prepare some food for him.” 8 So Tamar went to the house of her brother Amnon, who was lying down. She took some dough, kneaded it, made the bread in his sight and baked it. 9 Then she took the pan and served him the bread, but he refused to eat.

   “Send everyone out of here,” Amnon said. So everyone left him. 10 Then Amnon said to Tamar, “Bring the food here into my bedroom so I may eat from your hand.” And Tamar took the bread she had prepared and brought it to her brother Amnon in his bedroom. 11 But when she took it to him to eat, he grabbed her and said, “Come to bed with me, my sister.”

12 “No, my brother!” she said to him. “Don’t force me! Such a thing should not be done in Israel! Don’t do this wicked thing. 13 What about me? Where could I get rid of my disgrace? And what about you? You would be like one of the wicked fools in Israel. Please speak to the king; he will not keep me from being married to you.” 14 But he refused to listen to her, and since he was stronger than she, he r.aped her.

c.)Judah,the "man of God" and ancestor of the christian lord Jesus,procreated through wh*redom and ince$t and then hypocritical asked for the harl*t to be burnt but he was exposed with what he had given her!

Genesis 38:24-27

24 About three months later Judah was told, “Your daughter-in-law Tamar is guilty of prostitution, and as a result she is now pregnant.”

   Judah said, “Bring her out and have her burned to death!”

25 As she was being brought out, she sent a message to her father-in-law. “I am pregnant by the man who owns these,” she said. And she added, “See if you recognize whose seal and cord and staff these are.”

26 Judah recognized them and said, “She is more righteous than I, since I wouldn’t give her to my son Shelah.” And he did not sleep with her again.

27 When the time came for her to give birth, there were twin boys in her womb.



d.)son ra.pes all of his father's wives en masse

2 Samuel 16:22
22 So they pitched a tent for Absalom on the roof, and he slept with his father’s concubines in the sight of all Israel.


QUESTION:WHAT IS THE BIBLE TEACHING PEOPLE?

Pastor: praise- praise- praise the lord
             Bend down for Jesus
             Bend down for Jesus
             Bend down for Jesus
             Jesus Na Lord!
But a question, do you see him in church or where?
Samuel: I only saw that we are worshipping God together –not in the Church
Juliana: it is all the same, you don’t need to necessarily see the church.
Pastor: you see, when he comes, give him good dishes, promise him fine ladies, and ask him if he needs financial support to further his course. We must help God to bring in Saeed, brethren, let us pray
“……, they kneel down and he rattles again and thereafter
Curtain falls

Muhammad and Khadijah: thank you for your hospitality
Saeed: dear Imaam and sister, this is Mr. Samuel formerly Mr. Suleiman and Sister Juliana, formerly sister Aishah
Imaam Muhd: oh what good and fascinating names. Suleiman is a name of Allah’s prophet, similarly Samuel…….
Juliana: what about mine?
Imaam Muhd: equally Juliana is name of an important religious figure and Aishah is the name of the Mother of the faithfuls

They all exchanged greetings-the pastor prayed
Pastor: Mayan-Mayan filefila yagbekoto
Amen! The Lord has informed that there are some three people who shall accept Christ today, praise the Lord!
…, praise the Lord, oh sing oh sing oh
Jesus Oh- Oh Jesus (2ce)
Jesus you don win o Jesus
Pata- pata you go win forever Jesus
Imaam Muhd: quite interesting. By Allah-3 people will accept Christ today in the right perspective. It shall happen today, insha Allah

Juliana: Oga pastor, why I accepted Christianity is very clear, one; Muslims don’t allow their females to speak anywhere any time, they are imprisoned, two. . . . .
Pastor  cuts in) Imaam Muhammad, in fact Christ came to liberate women, do you hear that?
Imaam: so you left islaam because of that?
Juliana: of course-plenty more, explain that and you will hear more
Khadijah: really, my dear, islaam does not forbid women from talking or learning, it only said that they should do it moderately. It is Christianity that forbids women……….
Pastor (cuts in) you lie, where? Where?
Khadijah: let us read the bible of 1st Corinthian chapter14:34-35
      “As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church”
Juliana: pastor! Ah! Is that true? But we have many of our churches owned and managed by women?
Imaam: pastor, answer! Did Islaam place such embargoes on women? No
Pastor: eh, actually apart from that, women must cover their head in Islam and they are subject to their husbands
Khadijah: Oga pastor, Allah asks women to cover their selves for honor, respect and dignity. Read in 1st Corinthians 11:3
“ .  ,  The head of a woman is her husband and the head of Christ is God”
In the next two verses, 5 and 6
“But any woman who prays with her head uncovered dishonors her head-it is the same as if her head is shaven. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair, but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil”

Samuel: this is becoming hard to understand, pastor talk now; they are quoting our New Testament.
Pastor: Mr. Samuel, you see they are not children of God but slaves of God, so they do not understand well
Imaam: pastor-but it is the slaves of God that would be successful!
Pastor: where? In your Qur’an (laughs mysteriously)
Imaam: pastor-may you read by yourself. Romans 6:22
“… but now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the return you get is sanctification and its end, eternal life”
Samuel: so we are to be slaves of God and not children? But Muhammad the Prophet(S) cannot save and he is not powerful! Imaam, explain
Imaam: you see the prophets of God are His mouthpieces; they only act on His behalf. Look to what Jesus said
   “I can do nothing on my own authority” John 5:30 and also
“…, do not murmur among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him” john 6:43-44
Pastor: but how much do you know of the bible? Do you know that no where in the Qur’an does it say that Muslims will be in Jannah? Imaam: Mr., Jonathan! You lie. The Qur’an in suuratul Zukhruf 43:68-70 mention that Muslims would enter al-jannah and many other places. Mind you, no plan of paradise for Christians by Jesus; for Jesus only said in john 17:24 that he desires that they should enter paradise but it was not approved.

The scriptwriter here again stifles Pastor Jonathan. He is not allowed to put any serious defence forward. Most Xtians, even NLers alone, will put forward appropriate Biblical scriptures to point out the error and falsehood of the Imaam. For example: NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES JESUS SAY THAT 'HE DESIRES THAT THEY SHOULD ENTER HEAVEN BUT IT IS NOT APPROVED'. NOT EVEN IN JOHN 17:24 QUOTED BY THE IMAM. Is the scriptwriter exhibiting the Islamic norm of manipulation and misrepresentation of Xtian scriptures to non-xtians? The scriptwiter allows the Imam to correct the Pastor's view that the Quran does not say Muslims will enter Jannah but does not allow the Pastor to to correct the Imaam on obvious points. Has the scriptwriter created an even field for xtianity and Islam to battle it out in this script? So far he seems to have pitched an Imaam who presents what he(the scriptwriter) thinks are strong arguments against a Pastor who is not allowed to say much!

Pastor: the bible is a holy book unlike. . . . .
Imaam: . . . .(Cuts in) . . . what? The  Qur’an? Pastor you see, you have decided to systematically dodge the church embargo on women and many others but I put it to you that the bible is one of the best books of indecency-teaching our young ones evil
Pastor: dear Imaam! Don’t blaspheme for what you are saying is untrue

The pastor, again, is not allowed to voice his opinion of the Quran! What exactly does Pastor Jonathan THINK or KNOW about the Quran! The scriptwriter did not give Pastor Jonathan any christian argument/clarification for 'the church embargo on women' and still has the guts to accuse him of systematically dodging the matter; does not ask him to defend the matter but goes on declare the Bible an 'indecency-teaching' book! Let us read on and see if the scriptwriter will allow Pastor Jonathan any defence from the attack launched on him by his creator (scriptwriter) and co-creation!

Pastor: dear Imaam! Don’t blaspheme for what you are saying is untrue
Khadijah: when we expose your bible you would know? Look! I will read to you two text messages and thereafter I would ask a question:
   “I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes and cinnamon
    Come let us take our fill of love till morning
    Let us delight ourselves with love”
And a second
“Behold you are beautiful, my love
Behold you are beautiful
Your eyes are doves behind the veil
Your teeth are like a flock of shorn ewes
Your lips are like a scarlet thread and your mouth is lovely
Your cheeks are like halves of pomegranate
Your two bosoms are like two fawns
Twins of a gazelle that feed among lilies”

Mr. Pastor! If someone texts these messages to your wife or female children, what would you say?
Pastor: it is moral decadence, absolute behavioral bankruptcy. You see, that is the reason we all need Christ, the bible
Imaam: unfortunately, it is that bible you mentioned that contain them
Juliana: impossible!
Saeed: it is contained in proverbs 7:17-18 and Solomon 4:1-5
Samuel: incredible

While the above scripture presents the romance between two people, It does so in the correct context; THAT OF A BRIDE AND GROOM!

Mr scriptwriter, I see you writing a script for a movie that says that Oduduwa is the father of the Igbos, Hausa and Arabs!

Imaam: that is just a little, if we expose more, where fathers sex their daughters, sons sex their fathers wives publicly father sex daughter in law, little wonder, Christians do not see these evils as evils
Pastor: Jesus has died for our sins. We are forgiven by the blood of Jesus according to Romans 3 and 5
Saeed: on one condition! You must equally accept that you are children of the devil.
Samuel: how? Why?
Khadijah: open to the book of John 8
  “…, but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God; this is not what Abraham did. You do what your father did…….you are of your father the devil and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him” John 8: 40-41, 44
Do you hear that, Mr. Samuel, Juliana? You are the followers of the devil if you share that belief. Repent! No way for you in Christianity.
Pastor: but the blood of Jesus has washed away all sins
Imaam: impossible! In Luke 12:10 we are told that those who abuse the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. In mark 4:11-12, Jesus speaks parables so that non-disciples may not understand and repent; in Matthew 6:14, Jesus said if you do not forgive your brother, God will not forgive you also. So where is the so-called free gift?
Saeed: eh en! How! Do you know that part of the original curse you claim the blood of Jesus has cleansed is
“.to the woman, God said, I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing, in pain you shall bring forth children. Yet your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you” Genesis 3:16.
So tell me, why do all Christians whether born again or die again still suffer the above despite their belief in the redemptive blood? Or is labor pain spiritual? (Everybody laughs)
Juliana: I am sure, enough is enough, Islaam is the right way
Pastor: no! How do you know that? What signs accompany them?
Imaam: in suuratul furqan 25:63-71, Allah describes characteristics of the believers. a gracious God is Allah. What about Christians?
Samuel: true belief and salvation
Imaam: you lie; open to mark 16:17-18
“And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak new tongues; they will pick up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick and they will recover”
Oga, which of these signs do you have in your selves? Please do not waste your time, if you wish for more debate, it will continue but for what purpose? The truth is that Allah alone is God and He alone should be worshipped. Muhammad is His Messenger and the seal of all Allah’s Messengers and Prophets. Accept Allah and all your transgressions shall be forgiven you. The Qur’an is Allah’s words, immune from discrepancies. Bear witness to the truth, Samuel, Juliana and pastor! That you accept Allah, for your stubborn continuation o the wrong path will only land you in hell
Khadijah: we know that you may be afraid of your job, your finances, popularity and others. But remember, what are all those in the sight of Allah. Fear only God like Jesus said in Luke 12:4-5. Only islaam, nothing else
Pastor: my God! My God! Oh Imam! In fact my meeting you is a turning point in my life. I have converted many Muslims to Christianity but today I am regretful for it is not conversion but diversion of faithfuls. Ah, you Muslims are guilty; you must be punished for hiding all these information that are at your disposal. Ah! You must be tormented!, for you are not preaching His words, to His creatures. You satisfy yourselves with sacrifice and gifts
Samuel: Pastor Jonathan in fact, I am sad that I am part of those that you misled. That is it! When I was in UCH, I could remember, they established a General Da’wah Studies Programme to train us but I never took it serious. I always believed that no body can change me from islaam. But see today, for the past 8 years, I and Juliana had become church goers. How do we go back to Allah, I am ashamed,….(falls down crying)
Saeed: ah, we still thank Allah, it is not too late! You are lucky, just accept Islaam and take precautions
Juliana: can Allah ever forgive us? Ashe, we have been deceiving ourselves. ah, my head, my Hijaab, my salaah!
Khadijah: no! Don’t worry Allah is ar-Rahman-most gracious Lord, He would forgive you your sins. Imaam, please do recite to them the kalimatush shahadah
Pastor: yes, do give us from today; I become a member of the Da’wah centre
Imaam: let us say. “la ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasuulullah
(They took it gradually and he told them the meanings………)
Imaam: pastor Jonathan Iyanu Jesu
Pastor, (Cuts in) do not call me that again please, call me Abdullah
Samuel: Imaam, do name me Abdul Hafiz
Juliana: I love the name Mueenah

….they embraced themselves in joy and walked off stage

THE END

galek:
Well@seyi, I berate U 4 your comments! Courtship is not the MAIN THING but ENGAGEMENT I guess is what the bible supported!

Joagbaje:
There is no gift of interpretation of dreams in the new testament.