₦airaland Forum

Beaf:
I don't get this topic! Why should it be only Southern Nigerian’s cooperating? Is Southern Nigeria a country on its own?
It would be understandable if you were talking about a specific political goal, but here you are yarning about meteorites!

Abeg, mods come and delete this yeye thread jare!

To espouse and assert self interest.

@ Beaf, don’t think you can shout me down because you don’t like the topic. If you personally don’t like the topic you don’t have to engage.

Okay let’s all pretend that there isn’t a schism between the North and the South, and that the Northerners are not better at cooperating with one another over things like the domain of Sharia Law or Power Sharing/rotation etc.

I would like to hear sensible contributions, not a purposeless rant because you’re uncomfortable with the subject matter.

I understand that the ‘Politics of Identities’ dominates the political landscape of Nigeria and the continent at large, but what I cannot understand is non-cooperation to the point of being subjugated or perpetuating low living standards or environmental destruction.

I have often wondered what it will take for Southern Nigerian’s to cooperate.

It is already evident that mass corruption, mass environmental pollution, Constitutional infringements, genocide and complete infringements of civil liberties are not sufficient or deemed important enough to provoke cooperation to the point of stirring up coherent mass action.

I believe none of the following listed conditions would force Southern Nigerian’s to cooperate.

The threat of being hit by a meteorite and consequent obliteration
Threat of Public Health of epic proportions
Threat of foreign invasion and consequent occupation
Threat of a natural disaster such as Haitian type earth quakes or Asian style Tsunami’s

Seriously, what would it take considering that despite Europeans having killed millions of each others populations over time can still get together to cooperate over issues pertaining to trade, cooperation and self interest?

Damn, Nigeria is friggged, and some peeps have the audacity to talk about rebranding LOL.

cap28:
OH MY GOD

this is horrendous

Damnnnnn, life is soooooo cheap in the Father Land, imagine being executed for refusing to give the equivalent of a 20 Pence bribe , frigggggggg!!!

[size=22pt]Face it, Nigeria has regressed! [/size]
Yep I extremely regret moving abroad lol!

Let’s face it, the bulk of the Nigerian populace have ‘special needs’. I mean it’s the simple things in life that matter.

I really miss the professional incompetence and misconduct.
I really miss the fantastic healthcare, people dying from basic medical operation procedures such as ingrown toe nails.
I really miss the self imposed curfew in parts of Lagos, when it starts getting dark.
I really miss being able to do something simple like being able to go for a walk on a pavement without being hit by an okada or falling into a gutter.
I really miss dealing with the non-warranted and illegal stop-search-n-bribe Police molestations.
I really miss the acrylic smell of the open gutter/sewage systems
I really miss the oppression and servitude of the lower classes/poor
I really miss the self imposed inferiority complex, that makes any non black nationality an Oyinbo and hence Indian’s, Chinese, Lebanese etc are all superior Oyinbo’s.
I really miss not having currency parity between the USD $ and NGN Naira – work my ass off  for peanuts like I’m a chimp – but then again I wouldn’t have to do this, it would be easier to embezzle funds and toe the line. Thank God for SAP
I really miss my rule abiding fellow country citizens.
I finally really miss all the vultures that aim to strip me bare at Muritala Mohammed Airport, always seeking to enquire “whether you have something for me”.

What a pitiful existence.

Yes I would have liked to stay, but I would cut off my right hand to be able to roll back Nigeria to 1980, when the standard of living was very high and our credibility as Nigerians was revered as professionals, and we were recognised as a Developing Country as opposed to Third World.

[size=22pt]I can smell BullSh@t in the air! [/size]

I can smell BullSh@t in the air from the haters on this board, damnnnn, all that matters is [size=18pt]Would you hit it? [/size]

Yes you bloody would, LOL!!

[size=16pt]Big deal, so what? [/size]

Another Constitutional inconsistency or paradox highlighted. [list]

[li]It isn’t as if everybody on this board and in the country at large has not been aware of these issues.[/li]
[li]It isn’t as if this is going to cause a chain reaction and the masses are going to organize in order to protest about this issue and force change.[/li]
[li]It isn’t as if a spokes person from the Ministry of Justice is going to publically declare this as ‘Unconstitutional’.[/li][/list]

Seriously, people should stop moaning and groaning and accept their pitiful and pathetic subjugated lives in the country.

n.b. – There also is no point at being mad at me for this reply, because I did not create this situation, I’m just stating facts.

Jiokeh:
However this story might have come about, it has a message. The message is scary if you guys are not seeing what I'm seeing. The country Nigeria is headed for the windup that the US intelligence report realeased. First it was the Niger Delta, now Abia state, the Boko Harams are there unleashing their own. A civil war is imminent if the government doesn't do a U-Turn from the order of the day. The masses are waking up and gradually the resistance to bad and dictatorship type of governance is building up. Who knows the state that will be next and before you know it, it will snowball into a revolution.
God help Nigeria.

Right on the money, it’s funny how some Nigerians are so slow, it must be due to something in the water that the masses are drinking.  The lead-up to 2015 is going to be very interesting. Total Anarchy will be coming your way very shortly.

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@Ehie & icare   -  Retards, answer the questions below or STFU!!!

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[li]IBB = General = Civil Servant = Billionaire. What is the source of his wealth? This question is fairplay?[/li]
[li]He needs to list/declare his currently owned assets? A pre-requisite in most ‘CIVILIZED’  countries, unless you are trying to short-change Nigerian citizens by implying that we are not ‘CIVILIZED’ ; and have no business aspiring to it.[/li]
[li]He needs to declare how much he has paid in ‘TAXES’ to the coffers of the state since 1986.[/li]
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The bottom line is that if the whole system was not so corrupt and if the press were completely free, all this information would be in the public domain. The public have a right to know.

In the words of Edmund Burke: "The Only Thing Necessary For The Triumph Of Evil Is For Good Men To Do Nothing".

“The problem is: everywhere in this country, there is one Hausa, Ibo, Yoruba and Itshekiri man whose concern is how to get his hands on the pile and how much he can steal,
“So, anybody that is still preaching that the problem of Nigeria is Yoruba or Hausa or Fulani, he does not love Nigeria. The problem with Nigeria is that a group of people from each and every ethnic tribe is very selfish,

I actually agree with Sanusi about the extent of the greed of the existing elite, this is irrefutable.  However, not acknowledging that the schism between the North and South has contributed towards obscuring the notion of accountability is misleading and selective.

There are crooks everywhere in the world, but what really matters is the existence of a system that can hold them accountable. Moreover, 50 years into independence, and the State still has not been able to devise a fail-safe system that would stop the looting, this is what interests me personally.

The Political entity and Colonial construct we have today has unnecessary and added layers of complexity that serve to obscure and hinder accountability. 

It’s akin to trying to have two independent Operating systems (Windows and Apple) running simultaneously on one Computer (which is logically impossible) and then having a virus that is jumping to and fro Operation systems. The point is you’ll never be able to probe such a virus let alone identify, isolate and purge it. Ironically, the amalgamation of both Colonies guaranteed that the integrity of the system would always be subject to compromise.

What the British Colonial masters put together, let no African indigenes put asunder Bleep that!
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[li]The CIA has predicted that Nigeria would disintegrate by 2015. One can infer from this that since the Cold War is over, they will either allow it to happen, or they will instigate it.[/li]
[li]Sanusi’s arguments are actually coherent and from a Unionist perspective, even though most of his assertions are non-factual. If there were more Northerners throughout our rich history preaching pro nation-building, power sharing, transparency and meritocracy then we would not be in this predicament now. It is a case of too little too late, and his is a lone voice in the wilderness.  The genie is now out of the bottle, and the disaffected are now finding employing the use of BOMB detonations extremely effective. Well I suppose they are not willing to go through the Ken Saro Wiwa route and I don’t particularly blame them neither because look at what happened to him.[/li]
[li]The North/South issue in Nigeria will never be resolved. CHECK YOUR HISTORY. The tensions we witness today were created intentionally by the British (Lugard). Northerners were endowed with a superiority complex and they were allowed to rule their patch – “Indirect Rule or Rule by Proxy”; whereas the rowdy Southerners had to be ruled more forcefully (Direct Rule). This issue cannot be unwritten or ignored. My point is that unless Southerners just passively accept to be ruled by Northerners or accept their inferior status (created by the British), then there is only one course of action to take. SEPARATION.[/li]
[li]The notion of siphoning (raising) capital from the South to develop the North was a policy inherited from Lugard himself which started prior to amalgamation. Taxes imposed on the importation and eventual consumption of Western style alcohol, particularly in the South west was used to build roads, buildings etc. This is completely ironic right? A substance that Northerners could not consume played a part in their initial development.[/li]
[li]I pray to God that the secession occurs prior to the total destruction and decimation of the Yoruba Oil producing region, ILAJE Land. [/li]
[li]The sooner we can start to deal with the truth about our situation, the easier it will be to start rectifying things in the long run. Why is it that starting a discourse about the dissolution or reconstitution of Nation States in Africa is such a taboo subject? Is it impossible for Africans to do this cordially as the Europeans did ‘around a table’? There is no reason why we shouldn’t be able to live together as reconstituted Nation states under the auspices of an African Union. It’s time to start thinking out of the box!  Let’s face it, the formulation of Nigeria as a Nation State and the constitution of its peoples has proven too complex for the indigenes to manage. [/li]
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ehie:
@shangothor
ask the same questions to Jonathan

@ Ehie,

I almost wasn’t going to dignify your last comment with a response, but you have to be exposed.

Seriously, your arguments are so lame that they cannot be taken seriously and lack credibility. In the typical dubious Nigerian fashion you will not directly engage with the questions or issues at hand, instead you use the art of misdirection to obscure the discursive points raised. Things are either black or white and never gray.

You cite the implementation of SAP, as if it was a SUCCESS and hence should be celebrated. Mark my words, IBB, his cronies and you, will never get away with starving the masses. They are now 150 million strong, and when things implode, you and your kind will be smoked out.

The majority of Nigerians are hard working and would thrive if given the right opportunities. Even Obama has quoted this about Nigeria, and hence the improvisation showed by formulating the ‘Bi-National Commission’ and the cooperation the U.S. has given us for the first time in history with Hali Burton-Gate.

Has Jonathan amassed a similar amount of wealth as IBB, is he a billionaire that can bankroll his ‘Presidential Aspirations’ in a single handed fashion?

Has Jonathan RULED THE COUNTRY BY DECREE for eight years in order to accomplish or Implement as many policies as IBB?

Trust me when I say the day of reckoning is coming, as I said earlier, it’s a moral stand which is right and just. Those against TRANSPARENCY will eventually be exposed, marginalized and wiped out eventually if need be. Your days are numbered.

@ Ehie @ i care

For Nigeria to be clawed back from the brink, it has to be purged. It’s simply the case of the ‘Progressives’ against those that intend to ‘preserve the status quo’ and would do anything to thwart, subvert the measures required to make the polity work holistically thus the loop continues. The non progressives are 'enemies of reason'.

As I mentioned earlier , this is not ‘ROCKET SCIENCE’, it’s a moral stand which is right and just. Those against TRANSPARENCY will eventually be exposed, marginalized and wiped out eventually if need be.

If IBB has no skeletons in his wardrobe then the following listed conditions should be easily met; and the fact that you and others like you do not want to address these issues only highlights the extent of your OBJECTIVITY.


1. IBB = General = Civil Servant = Billionaire. What is the source of his wealth? This question is fairplay?
2. He needs to list/declare his currently owned assets? A pre-requisite in most ‘CIVILIZED’ countries, unless you are trying to short-change Nigerian citizens by implying that we are not ‘CIVILIZED’ ; and have no business aspiring to it
3. He needs to declare how much he has paid in ‘TAXES’ to the coffers of the state since 1986.

The bottom line is that if the whole system was not so corrupt and if the press were completely free, all this information would be in the public domain.

In the words of Edmund Burke: "The Only Thing Necessary For The Triumph Of Evil Is For Good Men To Do Nothing".

ehie:
Nairaland Lynch MOB
WHAT DO U REALLY KNOW ABOUT THE PERSON U WANT TO KILL?
open your thick skulls and think with your brain

Do u know that he lost his parents at the age of fourteen,
He:,

@ Ehie
So bloody what? You have cited the above list in an attempt to prove that he was active. However, according to my research he needed to be active in order to siphon and divert funds illegally. It’s the ‘NIGERIAN WAY’, ‘THE ART OF MISDIRECTION’ as has been discerned in the Cecelia Ibru case.
Face it, this is not ‘ROCKET SCIENCE’.
1. IBB = General = Civil Servant = Billionaire. What is the source of his wealth? This question is fairplay?
2. He needs to list/declare his currently owned assets? A pre-requisite in most ‘CIVILIZED’ countries, unless you are trying to short-change Nigerian citizens by implying that we are not ‘CIVILIZED’ ; and have no business aspiring to it
3. He needs to declare how much he has paid in ‘TAXES’ to the coffers of the state since 1986.

The bottom line is that if the whole system was not so corrupt and if the press were completely free, all this information would be in the public domain.


In the words of Edmund Burke: "The Only Thing Necessary For The Triumph Of Evil Is For Good Men To Do Nothing".

Seriously, Nigerians need to wake the hell up, we can't be COWARDS forever!

phboy:
The ONLY problem I had with the whole interview was the simple fact that IBB should be Dead or Spending his life behind bars.
The fact that he is not dead however, and roaming about scott free can only lead to such unnatural perversions like him smugly sitting on a couch on national TV, and him contesting for President without being mobbed to death by the collection sum of the Nigerian masses. Like I said, most people are in shock, we wished so much that we actually beleived he was dead. Its like adolf hitler spotted walking about as a tourist in Tel Aviv, the Israelies would probably think it was a bad dream and will be waiting to wake up until he went off to the next historical site.
I mean, its so sad its RIDICULOUS!!!!!

Exactly, it's so disturbing  

In the words of Edmund Burke: "The Only Thing Necessary For The Triumph Of Evil Is For Good Men To Do Nothing".

Seriously, Nigerians need to wake the hell up, we can't be COWARDS forever!

Wow, in the words of Edmund Burke: "The Only Thing Necessary For The Triumph Of Evil Is For Good Men To Do Nothing".

Seriously, Nigerians need to wake the hell up, we can't be COWARDS forever!

Wow, in the words of Edmund Burke: "The Only Thing Necessary For The Triumph Of Evil Is For Good Men To Do Nothing".

Seriously, Nigerians need to wake the hell up, we can't be COWARDS forever!

OBJ is also a killer of Granny’s and Mothers - Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti R.I.P.

Pafuri:
I love her hair. It is what makes the Koreans love black women .

Duhhhhh, get real , it isn't her hair. Come on now peeps lets keep it real

@ Poster, BRAVO for your constructive criticism. Loads of things bug me about IBB:

1. IBB = high ranked soldier = CIVIL SERVANT = Billionaire – how? It does not compute.
2. He refuses to account for the source of his wealth and has not declared the total amount of his wealth.
3. It would be interesting to find out how much he has paid in TAXES since 1986

Simply put, the system should be changed. The ‘BURDEN OF PROOF’ or ONUS should be on the official to prove the source of their wealth in fraud cases. If you actually view IBB’s tv interviews, it feels like he has a constant grin on his face because even he can’t believe that he has been allowed to get away with it. Looting the treasury with impunity and having the audacity to effectively run for a second term under the guise of a ‘Civilian Democratic Administration’ Damn he’s got balls. (n.b. I don’t give a damn about the retards that try to target me for venting these truths)   

Wake up!

1. The CIA has predicted that Nigeria would disintegrate by 2015. One can infer from this that since the Cold War is over, they will either allow it to happen, or they will instigate it. Don’t be fooled, this is all part of the grand design, afterall, ask yourselves how much would it cost to finance the violence that is being perpetrated at the moment, and the answer is ‘not a lot of money and there would also be loads of takers’. It is all part of the ‘Grand Design’.
2. The North/South issue in Nigeria will never be resolved. CHECK YOUR HISTORY. The tensions we witness today were created intentionally by the British (Lugard). Northerners were endowed with a superiority complex because Lugard subjectively thought they were superior to Southerners and thus they were allowed to rule their patch – “Indirect Rule or Rule by Proxy”; whereas the rowdy Southerners had to be ruled more forcefully (Direct Rule). This issue cannot be unwritten or ignored. My point is that unless Southerners just passively accept to be ruled by Northerners or accept their inferior status (created by the British), then there is only one course of action to take. SEPARATION.
3. Nigeria – with the ‘largest Army in Africa’ can have ‘peace keeping troops’ sent to other countries but they cannot guarantee security in Jos , mmmmm this does not compute
4. The perpetration of violence has been occurring for a while but no official takes responsibility, well ONLY IN NIGERIA, somebody in charge should be named, shamed sacked, no excuses.
5. The sooner we can start to deal with the truth about our situation, the easier it will be to start rectifying things in the long run and I don’t give a damn about the retards that try to target me for venting these truths.

Perhaps Lugard was right:

"In character and temperament, the typical African of this race-type is a happy, thriftless, excitable person. LACKING IN SELF-CONTROL, DISCIPLINE, AND FORESIGHT. Naturally courageous, and naturally courteous and polite, full of personal vanity, with little sense of veracity, fond of music and loving weapons as an oriental loves jewelry. HIS THOUGHTS ARE CONCENTRATED ON THE EVENTS AND FEELINGS OF THE MOMENT, and he suffers little from the apprehension for the future, or grief for the past. His mind is far nearer to the animal world than that of the European or Asiatic, and exhibits something of the animals’ placidity and want of desire to rise beyond the State he has reached. Through the ages THE AFRICAN APPEARS TO HAVE EVOLVED NO ORGANIZED RELIGIOUS CREED, and though some tribes appear to believe in a deity, the religious sense seldom rises above pantheistic animalism and seems more often to take the form of a vague dread of the supernatural"

“HE LACKS THE POWER OF ORGANIZATION, and is conspicuously deficient in the management and control alike of men or business. HE LOVES THE DISPLAY OF POWER, but fails to realize its responsibility, he will work hard with a less incentive than most races. He has the courage of the fighting animal, an instinct rather than a moral virtue, In brief, the virtues and defects of this race-type are those of attractive children, whose confidence when it is won is given ungrudgingly as to an older and wiser superior and without envy, Perhaps the two traits which have impressed me as those most characteristic of the African native are HIS LACK OF APPREHENSION AND HIS LACK OF ABILITY TO VISUALIZE THE FUTURE."

---Lord Frederick John Dealty Lugard, The Dual Mandate, pg.70 (1926)

Perhaps Lugard was right:

"In character and temperament, the typical African of this race-type is a happy, thriftless, excitable person. LACKING IN SELF-CONTROL, DISCIPLINE, AND FORESIGHT. Naturally courageous, and naturally courteous and polite, full of personal vanity, with little sense of veracity, fond of music and loving weapons as an oriental loves jewelry. HIS THOUGHTS ARE CONCENTRATED ON THE EVENTS AND FEELINGS OF THE MOMENT, and he suffers little from the apprehension for the future, or grief for the past. His mind is far nearer to the animal world than that of the European or Asiatic, and exhibits something of the animals’ placidity and want of desire to rise beyond the State he has reached. Through the ages THE AFRICAN APPEARS TO HAVE EVOLVED NO ORGANIZED RELIGIOUS CREED, and though some tribes appear to believe in a deity, the religious sense seldom rises above pantheistic animalism and seems more often to take the form of a vague dread of the supernatural"

“HE LACKS THE POWER OF ORGANIZATION, and is conspicuously deficient in the management and control alike of men or business. HE LOVES THE DISPLAY OF POWER, but fails to realize its responsibility, he will work hard with a less incentive than most races. He has the courage of the fighting animal, an instinct rather than a moral virtue, In brief, the virtues and defects of this race-type are those of attractive children, whose confidence when it is won is given ungrudgingly as to an older and wiser superior and without envy, Perhaps the two traits which have impressed me as those most characteristic of the African native are HIS LACK OF APPREHENSION AND HIS LACK OF ABILITY TO VISUALIZE THE FUTURE."

---Lord Frederick John Dealty Lugard, The Dual Mandate, pg.70 (1926)

@ Poster
Nigeria is a goldmine and the inefficiency/waste/inability to maximize profits and wealth creation is due to disorganisation and a general acceptance of the ‘status quo’ by the masses.
To directly answer your question, I would definitely be willing to relocate back to Nigeria under the following conditions:
a) If we could begin showing that we as a nation are capable of complex organization;
b) If Nigerians can be provided with a constant source of electricity;
c) If there was shift in ‘state policy’ regarding protecting individual civil liberties and enforcing the 'rule of law';
d) If there was shift in ‘state policy’ regarding providing security to citizens irrespective of 'ethnic descent', 'wealth' or 'class status' is order to unleash the real economic potential of the people;
e) If there was shift in ‘state policy’ regarding reducing poverty in our generation; devising and implementing systems to prevent the Nigerian elite, top 10% from siphoning huge amounts of money and depositing in the West thus stabilizing their economies at the expense of ours;
f) If there was shift in ‘state policy’ regarding aiming for currency parity with the USD $ as it was in the good old days in order to reduce the burden of suffering of ordinary folk;
g) If we could re-educate citizens towards participating in 'wealth creation' as opposed to focusing on the 'redistribution of crude oil sale receipts'.
h) If there was shift in ‘state policy’ regarding tackling Police and Armed Forces corruption, amongst others.

I’d love  to be able to do is to draw a line in the sand, look forward and start building, to be part of  a  generation which  is interested in is providing 'solutions to problems' and marching on.

The important things that have come out of this documentary:
1.  The photo that MC had on his wall was a ‘PhotoShop collage’. If you run a Google image search you will find the original image of Fashola posing alone. In other words it is a doctored image.

2. This documentary only focused on Lagos and is by no means reflective on Nigeria as a whole. Furthermore, the reason why Lagos is, and will always be targeted as the focus of these kinds of documentaries is because it is the Largest Black city in the world and the Western media have a vested interest in negating ‘our’ ability to effectively organize ourselves, let alone create a utopia, or ‘Garden of Eden’ where black people live decent lives in picturesque, clean, enviable environments.

3. I am actually glad that this exposé was aired. Aspects of this documentary actually put things into perspective for me. Prior to watching it I assumed ‘area boys’ which are technically ‘boys in the hood’, worked as independent units. I had no idea that they were organized from a higher level and were units affiliated to the ‘Transport Workers Union’.  Moreover, this Union is powerful enough to lobby the office of the Governor; are protected by the Security Forces and control the ‘Extortion Racket’ in a Mafia style fashion. I found this very enlightening.

4. It is interesting that this exposé was commissioned by the BBC, afterall the Nigerian controlled media such as NTA, AIT, BEN TV would never tackle these issues and we need to start asking why? Could it be that the middle class and media are complicit in this system that generates gross abject poverty, mass extortion and exploitation?

The bottom line is that I believe Lagosians, and Nigerians in general deserve better.

OMG, no wonder why Nigerians are at the bottom of the food chain, it's a dog eat dog world, survival of the fittest. What a joke, rule of law? LOL, seriously speaking we might as well beg 'WHITEY' to come back because if we were still colonized at least the common man would be able to afford 3 square meals.

Nigerians in Nigeria are cursed because they did not purge their polities after they sold their brethren into bondage. Until the purge for the misdeeds is executed there will continue to be mass exploitation and confusion on a grand scale. To this end Nigeria will always remain another 'Tower of Babel', no amount of cooperation by Nigerians will end up being productive, and similarly on this note, it will always remain a country that will be best suited to 'Foreign or Alien rule' as opposed to rule by her indigenes.