MuttleyLaff: It can glorify God, it definitely can edify you spiritually, you can have thoughts of your wife come to mind and also be thanking God for this great gift from Him Masturbation is a gift that can be misused and abused, this is something every sensible person knows.
Now I cant allow someone of my same sex or gender to masturbate my bits, "agbedo", God forbid, except if I am homosexual, of course, if thats the case, it wouldnt matter then
Maybe I didn't understand you here. But, did you just say that Masturbation can edify you spiritually? Masturbation is a gift?. What a Christian.
And Why 'God forbid', aren't you advocating for it and them?
alBHAGDADI: Defile doesn't mean rape. It simply means she is no more pure as a virgin after she had sex with Shechem.
Kindly go back to the King James Version or else all these modern versions will just keep confusing you to the the point that you will start insulting God without knowing e.g you saying God one time supported rape.
Al, you are try too hard to suppress what the scriptures says. Have it your way, but the scripture remains what it is.
We don't hate Paul, we only hate the Lies in him. What he said in Galatians is not different from the Lies Jews have been saying for Centuries.
I know Yahweh made slaves out of his Creatures and make some Children. That is Yahweh Headache not mine. As for Quoting from the Bible,
In that heap of chaff, there is still a great deal of good grains to point you Deaf, Dumb and Blind folks to the Truth of Islam.
Now, get Thee behind me!
If Islam has truth in it, why then are you laughing? Deep down you know that only pride keeps you in Islam. The Bible you quote from has shown you the truth.
Jesus of Nazareth shall judge Allah, Muhammad and you too.
MuttleyLaff: You haven't yet brought out proof of your earlier slander, now you gone on to another, huh? In addition to your outstanding proof you need to bring forward, please give the exact wordings of me defending homosexuality, else retract all your accusations and tender apologies for smearing me. Thank you.
The last I remember, you went AWOL on me on Loj's thread where I asked you the 'Usefulness of Homosexuality. Why didn't you?
Go on do it here and believe me I will paste your posts defending it and them. You even tried doing it in that thread.
mrZENographer: It is henceforth obvious that you are trying hard to deliberately defame the name of my Pastor and the Lord's Chosen ministry. You are doing so at your own peril. Meaning you are not contending with man but with God even Jesus Christ But we will never cease to advertise and proclaim the GOD OF CHOSEN. His name is JESUS. He is THE GOD OF CHOSEN.
Lolzzzzz. You wish you can threaten me. I laugh in the faces false prophets.
Answer the question I asked you instead attempting to weakly threaten me.
Why does Chosen turn armedrobbers away but the name of Jesus doesn't? instead of answering this you are jumping about. Mouka, or whatever his name is, can only affect you not me.
soulpeppersoup: That miracle is done somewhere doesn't mean that place teaches the truth.
Miracle is an act of faith not an act of truth.
There are magical miracles. If Jeams and Jambries the Egyptian magicians who performed Miracles before pheroe were here today, who will believe they were Magicians using Sorcery? So many Sorcerers are today using their powers to perform what people call miracles deceiving people.
Miracles are not an indication of True Faith in God. It is the Word of God and it being followed as prescribed.
Didn't the Lord warn us against Miracles saying satan will use them to fool people?
newness101: I participated in that thread and not all those answering questions are cross bearers. I'm not a cross bearer. Please before you accuse people, get your facts right.
What do you even understand accusation to mean? Do you just use Words? What did I accuse anyone of?
newness101: Yes! Justcool was clear enough in his demand that you provide evidence.
I shd copy all the posts Noteasy made which you all ignored and paste them here? Lol. This is funny. You were are in that thread, so I won't waste my time.
newness101: A blatant lie! The fact that you can lie like this about an easily verifiable fact already shows you're psychopath, a pathological liar! I have posted the conversation between justcool and Noteasy above, everybody can see what a liar you are.
newness101: Lolzzzzz. You are really trying very hard. [quote author=newness101 post=77146722]Stupid and boundless assumption!! Maybe because Noteasy hijacked the tread!!! Its unfair to hijack a persons tread and start posting a different subject. You can as well just open your own tread. Maybe the pastor that pretended to have raised the dead is you. You are the one or is it coincident that he is an African an a Christian like you? Since we are hear to assume all kinds of things and accuse others of. You are the guy that bugled my house last week. Or so it is a coincidence that he is black.
Temper! Temper!! Temper!!! Why the venom? We are not fighting are we?. See how hard it is to pretend to be something you are not, while trying to cover up?
Sincerely tell why she began posting in that thread. Like Always, Justcool may have felt he had seen a new convert and answered her, but when she persisted with questions she was ignored by you all. One of you even warned her to desist with her queries.
newness101: You know he is calm that's why you are attacking him and accusing him of all sorts of things. You guys are unbelievable!! you will not go Muslim forum and talk this nonsense. I now understand why the Muslims demanded their own forum and was granted. Your pretend Christianity is never enough for you because you know you are not a real Christian, so you go to other treads and starts accusations. We blame Muslims for violence, but you some of Christians can be very intruding and inversive at times!!
Hahahahahahaha. Sorry. This is a public domain. You cannot restrict who comes into a thread. Well, you can demand a protected enclave like the muslims. Weak people.with agendas to hide hides behind curtains.
This explains why you guys answer only those who praise TGM. Christianity is open, we accept all attacks both within and without. We are strong and unshakable. Bring it on and we will be there to take you up.
newness101: The fact that this is public forum doesn't mean you should invade every tread with false accusations. Many people have asked justcool questions about the Grail message, and he answered. However you don't expect him to indulge your stupid. You don't pay that guy to answer every nonsense you write. If you are not genuinely interested in any topic, stay away. don't go there and insult people.
Pls stop this accusation claptrap. what did I accuse him of? Post one accusation I laid against him.
Why then does he open threads for questions if he is not here to answer all our questions. I am interested in a lot of the B.S you guys post that is why we ask questions but instead of answering you are crying upandan like weep not child. Isn't that thread about answering questions abt TGM?
Oh, you guys expected people to read the GM first before anything? I see how he kept referring people to read TGM instead answering their questions.
newness101: Dude don't write what you don't know. It makes you look worse than a fool. Can you show any evidence that Abdrushin started a religionThe very first introductory chapter of the Grail message said, "The following words does not bring a new religion" He also warned religious fanatics like you to stay away!!!
@bolded. Yeah right, but, keep telling yourselves that, who knows, you may really believe it with time.
newness101: Give me evidence that Jesus brought a religion, and tell me the name of that religion.
Which Jesus are you talking about? The one who told those who wld follow Him to believe in Him and pray in His name, or the one TGM preach and whom they don't believe in and do not pray in His name? Which one?
newness101: I challenge you to go and debate a Muslim. You're a weakling, you will only insult gentle people. Go and tell a Muslim about Mohamed lets see. Muslims don't tolerate nonsense. Every word you write is assumption!! I've never met anyone like you!! Did you even go to school? You sat down an assumed that Abdrushin started a religion. I'm still waiting for evidence and name of that religion.
Maybe you shd define what religion means and see if TGM fits in as one. Boy, calm down before you have a feat. It's unnecessary.
Abdrushin is dead and you'll die too very soon. When you do, I hope you fight to reincarnate instead of going to stand before Jesus for your sins in earth.
newness101: No he ought not to!!! You haven't read the Grail message but you already know what Abdrushin preached about. Okay He did. Now I ask you, What did he say about reincarnation? Did he ever say that he ought to reincarnate
What are you saying now? You mean reincarnation happens only once in once life time? Is that how your version of reincarnation takes place or it's only in Abdrushin? You see the lies you believe and wants people to believe along aside? Reincarnation, according to New Age happens until a soul attends godship. Oh, wait, Abdruahin has attained godship. Stupid.
newness101: Has your pastor, the guy who taught you how to fake resurrection reincarnated?
See.foolry. What is the name of this my pastor? How old are you pls? i believe am responding to a child.
newness101: Ohh!! You don't know. But you just claimed that you know what he preached. You think you are smarter than anybody? You are only here to radicle people. Posters like justcool don't have time for you.
Pls, who were you in your past life? Abdrushin knew, do you? Or you just follow the lies and slow.down every BS? You tried to apply dodging tactics. Answer me, Who or what were you in your past life? Oh, you don't know becos .maybe you were a toad. See nonsense.
newness101: So now the bible is your fathers property? Mind you the bible came from Eruope. It was we Europeans to introduced it to sub-Sahara Africa. So I should be telling you to stop quoting my forefathers book and using to dupe people.
Hahahahahahaha. Now you are claiming Europe?What a fraud. Your religious/Occult leader who came from Germany claimed he was from the East with the name Abdrushin instead Oscar, now, you claim Europe. Does it run in your blood, I mean the GM believers?
newness101: Dude are you human? I can believe a human being can lie to this extent!!!! Do you even know what outburst meansHas your pastor, the guy who taught you how to fake resurrection reincarnated?
Who are you calling dude? Are you High? Were you that animal called an idiot in your former life?
Again, which Jesus are you referring to? The one who gave Oscar TGM or Jesus of Nazareth? because Jesus of Nazareth answered every question posted to Him by the Pharisees. He didn't respond to Pilate not becos He felt Pilate was a fool, it was because He knew that if He kept speaking, Pilate will not allow Him go through with His mission which was to be killed. He saw that Pilate made a move to free Him and He didn't want to be freed. Again, stop quoting the Bible, You don't believe in it. You have the Grail Message, quote from it. Stupid.
newness101: Call me what ever you want but when you are done answer the following? You quickly ran to post stuff, but when you got here you called me a fool. This is my question Oh, the Grail Message is the Original Message of Jesus Christ? Now you are making me ask questions I didn't want to ask before. So, do you believe that He died to save you from Sin? Do you believe in salvation through Jesus' finished works on the Cross, and not by your good deeds? Are you expecting His return to resurrect His saints to take them with Him to Heaven. Did Jesus reincarnate? to who or what? Is He a reincarnated soul today somewhere in the world? How can you preach Jesus and preach reincarnation at the same time? You mentioned Paradise, do you know that according to Jesus Paradise is not Heaven but a place were souls are kept to await resurrection
But instead of answering the very important questions, you seek to evade it and responded:
Only a fool will answer you. He died for your sins, so now its okay for you become a liar, a trouble maker and a scammer. African ignorant interpretation. What about what a man sows he shall reap.
That doesn't answer any of my questions Pls answer me. calling names won't let you lose.
newness101: Show me where Jesus said he died for your sins and his works are finished on the cross. Please open a tread and lets debate it. My father was a pastor and I was trained as one. I've read the original Greek version of the new testament. [quote author=newness101 post=77146722]I don't challenges from people who are controlled by demons. Light can not take instructions from darkness. If I want to debate you, I propose it, not the other way round. Oh, your father was a pastor and you were trained as one right? I will take you up on that. Let me tidy by desk up. [quote author=newness101 post=77146722]Do you realize you are a fool. Can you provide evidence where Abdrushin went digging into his past life? Justcool clearly told you that Abdrushin warns against such things. But you don't deal with facts, you deal only with assumptions. You are here to ridicle Abdrushin, a man that has not done anything wrong to you.
Lol. Abdrushin didn't dig into his past, how then did he being Oskar Ernst Bernhard from Germany know he was Abdrushin from Tibet in his former life? Oh, maybe only him knew his former life, what his name was, where he came from and what he did, but warned the rest of you not to do it? Are you sane? Abdrushin was a fraud, a lair and a charlatan like you his flower. Didn't you claim Europe here?hahahahahahaha. geraut loser.
newness101: Again you made up lies and accuse Justcool of saying what he never said. I'm sorry for you. What a follower of christ! Christ told you to peddle lies against your neighbor.
Oga, stop crying and answer me. How come you don't attempt my questions. it won't be long you'd be all over the places claiming you did. Answer me Biko. Where is Abdrushin now?Did he reincarnate as a Chicken, lizard or mosquito?
Lukuluku69: God's Covenant with Abraham was with him and his Descendants after him. Read again: Genesis 17:13-14 KJV [13] He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. [14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
God said, if you are not circumcised and you belong to the Nation of Abraham or you want to claim his blessings, YOUR SOUL SHALL BE CUT OFF!
As for Paul, he was addressing his Gentile converts. The ones he lied to. He knew this can't fly with the Jews, so he turned to the Gentiles who are largely ignorant of what God commands. He was of cos addressing the Galatians who are Gentiles(Non Jews)
I can write a Thesis on Paul Lies.
You keep quoting the corrupted Bible which if followed crashes on your face.
I saw why muslims hates Paul. It's in Galatians 4. 5 & 6.
He plainly called the descendants of Hagar the Arabians Slaves. The term 'Out Cast', began with them.
pressplay411: My Testimony: Letter Kills, Without The Holy Spirit ========================================= God is a God of 360°. I am humbled to know that everything I now preach and strongly believe today, was everything that drove me away from this same Christianity, but as a Religion.
I can't thank God enough, for Only He is worthy to be praised. That I could be saved gives me hope that Salvation is for everyone. All one needs is Humility, Repentance and the Pursuit of Truth and Righteousness. And you will find Christ.
I wrote this article about 3 years ago, pardon the sarcastic tone of the article, I had drifted and become an unbeliever- a Free-thinker, shuffling between Apostasy and Atheism. ========================================== Christianity; The Most Self Contradicting Religion
Every religion is shrouded in mysteries and sacred doctrines but Christianity has to be the most controversial and self contradicting religion. Wait, let me finish, I will highlight my points carefully.
1. To begin with, Christians will tell you it's not a religion but a way of life. (Really?) What then is the definition of religion?
Religion: (Roman Catholic Church) chiefly RC Church- THE WAY OF LIFE determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns:
2. Only Christians believe in Trinity. God, the Creator sacrificing Himself in his Human form to be tortured and murdered by his own Creation in order to save them. (No, you didn't read that wrong, it's as absurd as it sounds.)
3. Christianity emanated when the Jews failed to accept Jesus Christ of Nazareth as the glorious Messiah they had been promised. Odd then that Christians have failed to accept any of all the other religious movements that have sprouted even though Christians are also anticipating the Second Coming of the Messiah. (The wait is over 2000 years now and still counting, but that's another argument all together)
4. Only in Christianity do we have a Virgin defying all Science and Biology and giving Birth without any form of insemination, even though she was very much engaged and betrothed. (Yea right)
5. The most absurd of all these isn't any of the several miracles that have yet to be replicated in our present times (maybe cos our generation is just too immoral that God has decided to stop performing miracles all together) such as turning water to wine, feeding a multitude with few loaves and fish, or walking on water or raising the dead, etc.
6. The most absurd and completely condescending and self righteous atrocity committed by Christians is their emphasis of John 14.6 How can you preach religious tolerance when you expect to annihilate every other religion except yours? Is that not Monopolizing the religious industry?
Ask any devout Christian, and they'll tell you ever so confidently that as long as you're not a Christian, woe betides you, cos you're going to Hell. (Really?)
So no matter how pious and humanitarian and perfect you are at whatever religion you've adopted, as long as you're not a christian, what a weist!
I am no atheist I believe in God, a Super Creator, Super Power, The Source. What I do not believe however is Religion. I don't believe there is a particular religion ordained and endorsed by God. But the efficacy of Religion cannot be denied. Without it, there would have been chaos all over the world.
However back to the matter, Christian Patriarchs either need to address these issues and redress them accordingly or risk losing their grip on enlightened youths of our day. I know some will still say you can't use human intelligence to interpret or discern things of the spirit, trust me I've heard it all. =========================================== For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 2 Corinthians 3:6c For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Romans 8:6
Today, I know better. I thought I had heard it all but without the Holy Spirit, I was dead. My knowledge made me proud, made me blasphemous, made me comfortable in sin and made me run away from my Salvation.
Christianity can be practised as a Religion or as The Way Of Faith. Your Choice. If you find Christianity burdensome, please be humble to know that you just might be practising religion. Seek to follow Christ and learn at His feet. Seek the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness and all will be added unto you. Matthew 6:33
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. Matthew 11:28-29
I never knew you were an antagonist, and I followed you in my other life.
@mrZENographer Can you explain why the Chosen members are rolling in the mud on the streets for? How does that translate to honouring the faith that Jesus paid a huge price for?
The Chosen have become a great nuisance to the society, why?
alBHAGDADI: The OP clearly stated that all these modern Bible versions are false and a distortion of God's word. Yet you wrote from them to buttress what they've deceived you with.
Oh Wow. Really? I am an Evangelical. I got born again reading only King James. One day I read a verse which got me confused as to why it will be that way, forever reason, undecided to read that same verse in another translation, it was clear that I missed understood what King James said. It was the same thing but put differently. From then I read other versions too.
But if you believe that if not KJV is not a Bible, good then.
But, on the present case. Even KJV said 'Shechem took her and defiled her'. If there was consent, it won't be called defilement.
But, have it your way, what the Word says, remains what it says.
mrZENographer: You are twisting and changing my words to whatever you wish. Oyo for you. Watch this video. You can start from 4:40. Review it and tell me he is leading people to another god
How did I twist your words? Aren't your words clearly posted here for everyone to see?
Sorry if I twisted yours words. here is what you said, clarify me.
@mrZENographer. You said: How many times have you heard that so-so Christian said "I am for Jesus" and gunfire was opened on him and none penetrated, neither did they collect his belongings? Or he said "I am for Jesus" and the ritualists used the machetes and he lived to tell the story?
And, no. I will not watch a man who is teaching his followers to follow him instead of Jesus who dead for those people.
MuttleyLaff: You are still up with playing from your trick of cards
The immediate above quote, do you remember it from two years ago by one shadeyinka(m): at 12:40am On Dec, 03, 2017 huh? You have used this same and tired old line on me a couple of times this year too. Anytime I comment or quote, you come back with you sound bitter. Do you sell bitter leaves, why your obsession with bitter. No I dont sound bitter, and I am not bitter
I know who I am and I know what my belief is. I doubt you yours. Confusion, they say, is the first step to knowledge and clarity, so it is good for you, that in this case, you are confused, because confusion is a word we use on ourselves especially when about something or someone that is not understood.
SMH. Who is this clown? I wont dignify you a reply on this question more than this
You must have just pulled all that out of your rear back because all what you're saying about me not believing in this and not believing in that, is total and absolute bs and on top of it, sort of insensitive of you to further slander me with saying, I stand firmly for HOMOSEXUALITY. SMH.
I dont mind who's ox is gored, I tell it, as it is. No blind loyalties anywhere.
It is still fresh in my mind, so I still remember, telling that, you dont seem to miss a trick, do you. You pull out all available trick card to get a leg over, huh? I told you that then, and also said, you wouldnt find an iota of bitterness in me, and that, its just you clutching another straw again. I ended up informing you, that, it's simply and just that, you are gung-ho and I dont suffer gladly gung-hos and/or even certain atheists that cross the line. If you misjive, misspeak, misyarn, and/or misrepresent the gospel or the Kingdom of God, I will come after you. If you talk rubbish, type trash or say the wrong thing like on this thread and you sometimes do, make no mistake that I wont come descending on you like a ton of bricks
Our last engagement, was when I asked: Now are you ready and prepared, to show in the bible where it is explicitly stated that God is trinity. Implied are not welcome, and so remember to please take note of that. You were talking about the Trinity of God right? Remember? but you developed cold feet, couldnt respond to it and so pitifully shooed yourself off.
Have you got evidence of this imaginary and fictitious conversation that transpired between you and I, you claim I got angry from? Are you able to back up this spurious allegation and the proof from the previous thread and posts, huh, if not then I suggest you retract your damning statement and honourably apologise for the slander. If you are unable to bring forth the proof, which I am quite sure would be the case, please then retract that statement you launched at me and ask for clarification of my comment if not sure of what I've typed.
Be clutching straws, chasing shadows plus ghosts and throwing ad hominem shades. OK?
alBHAGDADI: Your first question makes you sound like you don't know how girls do stupid things for the sake of love especially when the man in question is a prince. Your second question also deserves the same answer as the first.
My tone doesn't connote rape. I simply said she was defiled to which I gave the meaning.
The Bible never said Shechem changed his mind and wanted to marry her. He was on love with her as clearly written in the Bible. He didn't suddenly develop love for her after raping her. No rapist does that. This means they were dating.
Notice that no one knew they had had sex until he walked up to Jacob asking her hand in marriage. It was during the process of asking for her hand in marriage that Jacob learn that he had had sex with her. So clearly, what we can draw from the whole thing is that he saw her, fell in love with her, dated her, had sex with her then saw that it was best he wife her. Jacob and his children we're only pissed that he had sex with her before marital talks.
Speculations. Dinah dated Shechem? lolzzzzz. She knew that she was a Hebrew, she knew the kind of brothers she had. She dated Shechem? Even the King James you believe says Shechem took her. It didn't say she went with him.
Contemporary English Version (US Version) Genesis 34:1-4
Dinah, the daughter of Jacob and Leah, went to visit some of the women who lived nearby.
She was seen by Hamor's son Shechem, the leader of the Hivites, and he grabbed her and raped her.
But Shechem was attracted to Dinah, so he told her how much he loved her.
Shechem even asked his father to arrange for him to marry her.
KJV Genesis 34:1-2
And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land. And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.
NIV Now Dinah, the daughter Leah had borne to Jacob, went out to visit the women of the land.
34:2When Shechem son of Hamor the Hivite, the ruler of that area, saw her, he took her and violated her
.34:3His heart was drawn to Dinah daughter of Jacob, and he loved the girl and spoke tenderly to her
shadeyinka: Oh I see. He's a mole amongst us. No wonder he doesn't mind tearing down a believer on atheist threads. There was a time I called his attention to it that if he has a doctrinal issue with a believer on an atheists thread he should do a PM to such so that the issue could be discussed of the public eye. He got angry!
He's probably an atheist who has not crossed the line of final rejection of God.
I still sometimes pray for them. Claiming wisdom yet becoming great fools at the same time
Jesus said, it will be more tolerable for these godless atheists than those who call themselves Christian but falsify the Word of God.
mrZENographer: How many times have you heard that so-so Christian said "I am for Jesus" and gunfire was opened on him and none penetrated, neither did they collect his belongings?
Or he said "I am for Jesus" and the ritualists used the machetes and he lived to tell the story?
How many times?
In other words, the name of Jesus does not have power that is why people say I am for Jesus yet they are still shut? That is why I asked if Chosen has another god.
Your above answers says country. With your mouth, you have said there's no power in the name of Jesus.
mrZENographer: God is trying to prove a point. Directing people to CHOSEN and hear the truth. That man is my servant. For many churches are carnal and leading billions of believers to hellfire.
Did you just say God is trying to prove a point? God is trying to prove a point by directing people away from his name but to the Chosen? The last time I checked it is in the name of Jesus that every knee bows, not to the Chosen. But what you are saying here is that knees bow now to the Chosen and not Jesus.
I think something is wrong with you people. Na like this people dey open demselves up to demons.
Now God dey shift attention from Jesus to Lazarus Muka or whatever his name is.
Even though demons are in control, once in a while sanity speaks reason into their heads. Peradventure God will use this to open their eyes. Up till now, there are only two very lame excuse: one it is an acting and two it is hypnosis/mental problem.
The demons taking them as hosts are trying very hard to remain stealth.
shadeyinka: I don't know what you are up to. Are you an atheist?
It's hard to place that guy. He quotes the Bible but he doesn't believe in the Workings of the Holy Spirit which begins with Holy Ghost baptism evidenced in speaking in tongues. He does not believe in miracles. He doesn't believe in Tithing and now he doesn't believe in demon possession, but he stands firmly for HOMOSEXUALITY.
mrZENographer: That is the Covenant. Believe me, so many times when Chosen people said "I am a Chosen" and got away with it, there are also Christians from other churches who said "they are .....".
They were beaten mercilessly, stripped of their belonging or killed, butchered etc.
Your last sentence reminds me what Jesus asked "They say I do miracles by power of belzebulb".
You didn't answer my question. Do Chosen follow their own god or Jesus?
If the authority with which they stand for comes from Jesus, shouldn't they project Christ?
alBHAGDADI: Shechem didn't rape Dinah, we can conclude that it was consensual because the Buble never said anything like force or rape. Simeone and Levi killed him simply because he defiled her, which means he slept with her when she wasn't married to him, a thing that would make Dinah find it difficult to find a husband cos no man then would isn't to marry a non-virgin. Shechem even did right by begging g for her hand in marriage all because he loved her, which is according to the law of God. But Simeone and Levi did wrong by killing him and his clan.
See? Read what you yourself typed.
How can Dinah who knew first, that her clan does not marry with the Canaanite allow consensual sex with Shechem? Secondly, how can she knowing too well that if she had sex before marriage she will be an anathema after that consent to sex?
And, Al, Dinah was raped. Even your tone says it. Read your post again.
Shechem knew that if a virgin is disvirgined another man won't touch her, yet he did. It was afterwards he changed his mind and wanted to marry her.
NPComplete: The reason why I can't even take u seriously is when u believe money couldn't have been involved because the mother had cancer. Lol. People kill their mothers for money and u are here acting as if Jim Iyke is not a human being. Just look at u reasoning like a gnat. So because his mother is sick he couldn't possibly try to profit from it? U know this how? Do u even know the relationship he had with his mum before then? Lol. What if he saw the acting in the church as a way to recoup some of the money he had spent on his mothers illness?
Your inability to even consider the possibility is what makes ur argument weak.
And u know Jim Iyke is in his own right comfortable, how? Because he is an actor? What kind of pedestrian thinking is this?
I still maintain Jim Iyke was paid. You can't expect him to tell us he was paid but I am sure it is likely he was.
Two bolded contradicts you. 1. You maintain that he was paid (Certain) 2. You are sure that 'He was likely paid.
Which one is it? He was certainly paid or he was likely paid?
NPComplete: It is a publicity stunt for SCOAN. Those wankers are fake.
The mum is the reason why he was willing to do the stunt. That and the money SCOAN must have paid him. That guy is shady. And TB Joshua is worse. The only redeeming quality Joshua has is his philanthropy.
So, when he came out crying later that he was used, how much did he say he was paid to play the part?
alBHAGDADI: Don't you see the error in your understanding of the law? According to your understanding, what God is saying is that once a riffraff or a loser sees a beautiful girl or the daughter of an highly placed man, who is way above his league and not within his reach for marriage be because he lacks the means, what he simply has to do is to find a way to rape her and she will become his.
That simply means that God is not only promoting the evil of rape but also encouraging lazy guys not to work hard to have enough to marry a beautiful girl because they have the option of making her theirs by raping her. According to your a rapist forced to marry his victim is a punishment to him, but you failed to consider when the rapists actual and main intention is for the victim to be his wife and for him to become in-laws with her well to do family. Can you now see your flaws?
Your misunderstanding is due to you reading a wrong Bible version which wrongly translates the verse to mean rape. One thing you need to know about the book of Deutoronomy is that it is a copy of the laws in the book of Exodus which precedes it (See screenshot below). So, the key to understanding the law which you have misconstrued to mean rape is to look at where it was first written which is in Exodus 22:16-17 which shows it is consensual sex.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 King James Version (KJV) 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
Exodus 22:16-17 (KJV) And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.
Look at the keywords in both passages: Damsel/maid/virgin .... not betrothed... pay dowry, father, wife.
I'm now surprised at how the verse means rape here and means consensual sex elsewhere.
As for the law being done away with, you guys don't know what Paul and the Apostles were talking about when they made statement as such. You think they mean the law has been garbaged and over. No. They simply mean it no longer served as a basis for salvation because Jesus is now the one who gives salvation. If the law was done away with, how come the new testament orders that we do many things found in the law? Below is Jesus repeating what he said in the old testament.
Matthew 5:44 (KJV) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Exodus 23:4 If thou meet thine enemy's ox or his ass going astray, thou shalt surely bring it back to him again.
They are both talking about loving one's enemies. This clearly shows that the part of the old law which God wants us to continue with, he clearly states in the new testament. The ones he doesn't want us to do again, he also stated.
Now, what happens to the ones he didn't say anything about in the new testament? It means they remain valid and must be obeyed. Whatever he said back then remains until we hear otherwise from him. Changing those things is the same as ordering people to go against them when the Bible hasn't ordered such. Changing them is the same as speaking when God hasn't spoken. The above is a clear way to know which laws are to be obey and which are not to be obeyed.
You see, when the Bible is speaking about the law being done away with, it is not saying you can now disobey those laws especially the ones that have to do with serving false gods, tattoos, cross-dressing, homosexuality etc. The Bible simply means the law is no longer a prerequisite to eternal salvation. Jesus has saved us by his grace, so we no longer need to fulfill the law to be saved. We only obey the law to show obedience to God here on Earth else we get punished, but not as a ticket to heaven. The law no longer fulfills that purpose.
There isn't much new that Jesus said in the new testament that he hadn't already said in the old testament. The same Jesus who said love your neighbor as yourself is the same Jesus who said it first in the old testament.
Leviticus 19:18 (KJV) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the L ORD .
Matthew 22:39 (KJV) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
If you feel, the old testament laws are done away with then go and sleep with your mother as against the law in Leviticus. Also, wear female clothes as a man which is something God said is an abomination to Him. One thing you need to know is that the laws which God doesn't want us to obey anymore, he clearly changed in the new testament e.g animal sacrifices, unclean animals, washing, not shaving, not wearing clothes with mixed materials etc. All those are carnal ordinances
Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
But laws such as against homosexuality, incest, idolatory, cross-dressing, and also laws on tithing etc still stand. Yes, God repeated himself on some of these issued, but the fact that he didn't say anything concerning some in the new testament doesn't mean we can now disobey them. He doesn't always have to repeat himself. He has spoken already in the old testament and whatever he said back then remains valid until we hear otherwise. Or did you hear him say in the new testament that we can now cross-dress and sleep with our sister and mother?
Jesus made it clear that the law has been summed up into loving God and our neighbor. But can you love God and your neighbor without obeying God's commandments? Be sincere.
Matthew 22:36-40 King James Version (KJV) Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
How do we love God? We do by obeying his commandments.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Do you know how long one's post will be if one were to respond fully to your very long post? Pls keep it short
I will say only one thing based on your first Paragraph.
What do you think made Simeon and Levi the sons of Jacob and the Senior brothers of Diana kill Shechem with his entire clan and community? exactly what you just asked.
mrZENographer: Sister testified that she was on her way from Night Vigil an armed robber approached her and ordered her to surrender her bag at gunpoint.
She declared I am a Chosen x3 times and asked the gunman who are you? The man started shot the gun at her but it didn't answer him. He stretched forth his hand like a baby to collect the bag and she declared again, I am a Chosen, the gunman fled from her.
This is the third time she is encountering arm robbers and exercising authority over them and God gave her the victory. Praise the Lord Jesus.
Why una dey wear that jacket sef?
Instead of saying I am for Jesus, she said I am a chosen? You people are making a mockery of what Christ paid for with His life.
INTRODUCTION: Should Christians today use instrumental music in our worship to God? This question has been a wedge of division between religious people. Yet, as controversial as the question is, there are many who think that the discussion is trivial – that it simply doesn’t matter. Should we; shouldn’t we; or does it even matter?
Immediately striking many visitors to the churches of Christ is the absence of any musical instruments. Some have mistakenly supposed that it may by because an individual congregation cannot afford an organ or may be that there is no one who can play. So much of the worship in many churches around us today is geared towards entertainment. Many people think they have worshipped acceptably if they “feel good” by what they do in worship. But Jesus has stated: “for what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God” Luke 16:15, Prov. 14:12.
Many people actually criticize the Lord’s Church for not using musical instruments in our worship but the questions are: -Does God approve the use of instruments of music in Christian worship? -Those instruments are popular in churches today; does that mean God is pleased? - Did Christ anywhere in the Bible command the use of instruments in His worship? - Did the Apostle use such? Did any of the churches we read about in the New Testament leave us an example of the use mechanical instruments?
God’s word is the final authority in all religious matters (Matt. 28:18, I Cor. 4:6, I Peter 4:11, Jude 3, Rev. 22:18-19)
WHY NOT INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC? 1. New Testament worship is spiritual not physical: What was the distinction Jesus made between the worship of the New covenant and that of the Old (John 4:19-24)?
2. Was one to worship God “with the proper attitude and in the proper way” under the Old Testament law ( 25:2, Deut. 5:32; 6:4-9; 12:32)?
Then what is Jesus contrasting)?
How are the things of the Old Testament Law described ( 8:4-5; 10:1-4, Col. 2:16-17)? Why did God send the physical types and symbols of the Old Testament first (I Cor. 15:46)? How do the things of the New Testament Law replace the old ( 5:17-20, John 1:17)? Are musical instruments part of the shadows and types of the Old Testament, or the spiritual fulfillment of the New ( 2:16-17, Eph. 5:19)
Go Has Not Commanded The Use Of Instruments
In Christian Worship: Since God alone is the object of our worship and is alone worthy to be praise, He should determine what our worship consists of and how and when it should be conducted.
God not man is to be worshipped. God – not man is therefore to be pleased. What pleases man, or what man thinks pleases God may be “abomination in the sight of God (Luke 16:15; Prov. 14:12).
Any act of worship offered to God should be in harmony with the will of God revealed in His Word (John 1:17, 4:24).
“To do what God has not authorized is to assume that God is not capable of knowing what He wants. To something religiously which God has neither commanded nor forbidden is to assume that man is licensed to do anything which God is silent about” – Celine R. Paden
Generic and Specific Commands: There are two kinds of commands given in the Bible: Generic and Specific commands; “music” is a generic term, because there is more than one kind.
If the Lord had commanded “make music” we could comply with the command by vocal, instrumental, or a combination of both. But “singing” is a specific term. Inasmuch as the scripture all point to singing, this restricts the music to vocal – Guy V. Caskey
The Scripture Authorize Singing: All the passages that deal with music in the New testament worship specify singing as the type of music, Matt. 26:30, Acts 16:25, I Cor. 14:15; Eph. 5:19, Col. 3:16, Heb. 2:12; 13;5; in each and every case, the type of music is vocal.
None of these references mentioned the use of instrumental music.
We have authority for vocal music, but we have no authority to offer any other kind music; to offer any kind (like instrumental) music would be “strange or unauthorized” a sinful (Lev. 10:1-2).
We do not have authority to add or take away from the word of God – Deut. 4:2, 2 John 9, Rev. 22:18-19)
Image123: Psa 150:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. Psa 150:2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. Psa 150:3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. Psa 150:4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. Psa 150:5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. Psa 150:6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.
Christianity Etc › Re: Masturbation Is Good For Christians by Shepherd00: 1:32pm On Apr 08, 2019
The very first introductory chapter of the Grail message said, "The following words does not bring a new religion" He also warned religious fanatics like you to stay away!!!