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Obi1kenobi:
You are not a Jew. Even Jews today do not pay tithes due to the extinction of their Levitical order that received the tithes. What modern Jews practise is philanthropic contributions of 10% of their income to their favorite charities: whether to the homeless and poor, or to disease research, or education, or whatever cause they choose. They don't give their Rabbis 10% of their money of their money in modern Judaism Your pastors are not Levites and are not Jews. Adopting an alien Jewish custom just so that you can milk your church members is a fraud. Every pastor who collects tithe is a fraud.

Lol. Why shd I even bother with you sef?

Move along.

Adakintroy:
I mean them. Tight was taught yes! But you left the weightier matters. Like love, forgiveness and good faith.

Plus it's not tight that brings blessing. It your upright stand with God. Just walk that please God.

It's obvious you don't know what that verse says.

Just move on son.

Obi1kenobi:
So much drivel up there. Freeze is above 50 with nothing to show? What would you know about him or his life? What do you want him to show you? His house? His bank account? His family? What is it that you want him to show you? Does your father have more than Freeze to show? Do you have more than Freeze to show?

I know he is a 50+yrs old divorced man who is an MC as a Career.
I know he is an AOP who is old enough to own his own Radio station, but is broke becos no one will invite him to MC and he is getting to old for an AOP job, the young are threatening to take his job.
I need him to show that he is better than those he insults by doing the right thing.

And yes, my father is Faarrrrrrr better than Freeze. And yes he has more than him.

By the time I get to his age I'll have people working for me, not me working for others answering them sir while insulting them behind their backs.

Obi1kenobi:
I've known Freeze as one of the top OAP's on radio since I was in secondary school, and a popular MC. Ironically, his comments about profiteering pastorpreneurs who manipulate their gullible flock has probably negatively affected his livelihood. That he continues to speak against it is what shows his integrity.

And as far as you are concerned he is not old enough to be an employer of labour? You clap for him as he remains a help under others.
he is a popular MC, and yet is crying of not being called for shows.
A man of integrity does not divorce his wife, abandon his kids but go after another man's wife, break the home and keeps her as a mistress. Except of course integrity has another meaning.

Obi1kenobi:
What he chooses to attack in Christianity is deception, and this deception is most evident in the way so-called "men of god" manipulate their flock with particular focus on tithes, first fruits and all the ways they manipulate their gullible flock.

Shouldn't that be our business since it's our money the pastors are taking? Why take drugs for another's illness?

Do you know that Tithing is not compulsory? As a matter of fact, nothing in Christianity is forced. Some many people don't pay tithe, no one cares, why not mind your life and leave us enrich our pastors? Na our hard earned money not yours.

Obi1kenobi:
You can agree or disagree. Don't come here rambling nonsense with personal attacks on him.

Lol, maybe you shd speak that out loud and see if it won't be referring to you.

What I agree or not is not your concern and I can well damn say anything i pls.

You and unbeliever can not, not in hell tell me how to serve my God.

***smelling armpits***

Adakintroy:
You brought it upon yourselves. You took the tight thing too far.

I brought what upon myself?
And, it's Tithe not tught

omakay:
Justice, Mercy and Faith are much more important than tithes of any kind.

Moreover, only an Israelite is eligible to pay tithe... And only a Levite is eligible to receive tithe.... All these are only practicable in the country of Isreal....

You folks should look for a word to coin money meant for the works of the gospel...... Tithe is not applicable again....

And i am so sure that if tithe did not involve money, it would have being forgotten along with a lot of doctrines in the old testament...

Let's go to Hebrews 7 and 8 and check that out.

What you sow, you sow a different body, when it sprouts, it comes out a different body. Do you know what that means? I guess not.

What is your problem? Is it because tithe is paid in cash or it should not be paid at all?

Will it be okay to you if it is paid in crops?

Truthbites:
Are u kidding me??! Your fada! How dare u mention my Father? Freeze will finish them and soon, they won't get tithe anymore..let me see how they will fund their expensive life style. Private jets et al...for ur info , scholarship has stringent conditions to meet. We don't need no damn scholarship but cheap school fees.

That is someone else's father you are making demands from. Can your father afford school fees for you all?

What has he done for your community? You don't need scholarships, you need cheap school fees, go collect nah. See your rotten mouth.

ebilomaofficial1:
but did christ in anywhere in the bible pay or received thithe?

If He did it will be announced? Are you forgetting the rule guiding giving of any kind?

Would you have known if Jesus had a Treasury if Judasiskariot didn't steal from it?

As you read the Bible can you see that a lot about what Jesus did was not recorded in the Word?

Ask yourself. At what point did the Jews who became Christians stopped paying tithes? because I can't see where Jesus told them to stop.

obinoral1179:
look at the way you rubbish your family all because you want to prove a point.... Mr dangote and otedola of the family I hail thee....

He is either lying to hate on God or he is ritualist who uses the destiny of his people for wealth.

omakay:
23“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. 24Blind guides! You strain your water so you won’t accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel!

Jesus did not endorse tithing in this verse, he only acknowledged it.

What he endorsed instead is " Justice, Mercy and Faith".

Please let us interpret the bible exactly as we see it.......

No sir. Read it again. He said 'This you ought to do, and not leave others undone'. Question to you is 'What is the 'This?'
This in that statement means, Tithes of all kinds should be paid, but Justice, Love, Mercy and compassion shd not be neglected and left out

truefact:
So what do you when Jesus said he came only for the Jews... During that time Jesus talk about the Jews and things relating to the Jews

Clearly you didn't understand what the Lord meant by that.

charlycharles:
Jesus lived under the law ie mosaic age and he was talking to d jews. Christian age started after d death and resurrection of Christ. Even at that u can still hear Jesus not putting so much weight on tithing in dat portion of d Bible. This is not d case with d tithe pastors today. That is d bedrock of all dia sermons today. Bro is not for Christians. But don't ever be discouraged to give to God even all that u have including urself.

Can you tell why Paul brought up the Issue of Tithing in Hebrew 7?

He did that to let you know that Tithing has nothing to do with the law of Moses, as it was in existence before Moses was born.

When God gave them the law, He included their own (Levitical office which tithing was part) when their dispensation was over, the Great and eternal High Priest (Jesus Christ) is to henceforth receive our tithes, for tithes are paid to Priests. Go and read Hebrews Chapters 7,8,9. if you can understand you will.

Get that.

Truthbites:
My only anger with the pastors is that the poor can't afford their universities after paying tithe. Imagine Benson idahosa university is N1million per semester to read law..haba. Can they pay their lectures #300,000 per month sef? dem go just de bill poor parents

HigherEd, pls come over here and educate this dole how many scholarship slots Papa Oyedepo gives to the poor.

People like wld rather play Naijabet and do cultism in school rather than read. Those who go those Universities merit to go and are given scholarships.

Ask your father what he was doing when these men are building these expensive Unis. Make dem sef try.

Satan66:
The brainwashed society of Christians won't listen.
They fail to understand that their religion and church is a business organization made for money.
If God exist then ask yourself this.
Why has miracles only happened In the bible?
The raising of the dead and all the spreading of the red sea.
Only in the fairy tale book.

Just Negodu!!!!. Frustrated ranting doles.

Our spiritual financial doors are shut against you satan. You can't take it, hence the rousing of failures who only sees sin in tithe paying but not in slander, arrogance, pride and adulterous life style.

Sorry sir, the ship has sailed. We now know how to shut you out and keep our money.

If our Church (Which you rightly said, OUR) is a business venture, why are you killing yourself over our Business? You kobo follow?

Miracles happens everyday. Log on to Living Faith's Testimonies page and be shocked at what Jesus is doing. But, you can't. The success of others makes you mad.

chibuzorAbia:
Pure rubbish you wrote up there. I am the only member of my extended family who does not believe in your fake God, yet I am the only one they come to disturb when their fake God disappoints them. The problem with most of you is poverty!

Freeze is absolutely correct all the time.

Chibuzor, let me ask you. Which part of Abia are you from? Abriba side which are known for money rituals? People who use their parents, their sons and relations for money!

enjoy it while it last.

chibuzorAbia:
Pure rubbish you wrote up there. I am the only member of my extended family who does not believe in your fake God, yet I am the only one they come to disturb when their fake God disappoints them. The problem with most of you is poverty!

Freeze is absolutely correct all the time.

I will excuse your ignorance and folly, as it's obvious you are as daft as your satanic leader Freeze.

Are you well off because You don't believe in God?. Are your folks poor because they believe in God?

Why isn't Freeze rich in his 50+yrs if your assertion is true?
He has been an MC all his life. Can he MC and build houses, send kids to the university and meaning useful to other members of the society?

Isn't he old enough to own a Radio station? For how long will he work as an OAP with the teeming youths growing up to take his place?

See why most people ask why God allow Unreasonable and evil people live long and prosper when good and kind people suffer for so long and are struggling? You think you are better, but you are not. Imagine how bitter and angry you sound. I can imagine how toxic you are to your folks.

This is the reason some folks are poor or challenged, lack of knowledge as to their rights in redemption. discovering your talent and investing with it opens doors. If anyone discovers their assignments on earth and goes on to fulfill them, nothing can limit them. Not all the demons in hell and their human agents.

No diligent believer in Christ will beg food from an unbeliever. Why is Freeze going crazy about Oyedepo and the rest Christians? Satan is angry that we have discovered the Kingdom Principle of wealth and it's working. The doors for him to steal from Christians are shut against him, he can't have it hence is using those who pretend to be Christians so that it'll seem a good fight.

Well, I cannot speak for your family, and again I do not know if you are being sincere by what you said. If you are truthful, then there are certain things which may be responsible for it.

1. If in your Nuclear and extended family you are the only one who prospers and gives to them all, it's either you are into a cult and have used demonic means to oppress and subjugate them for you to be the only voice in the family. If that is the case, then, none of them is indeed Christian, for if one of them is, you'd have realized that darkness does not over shadow light.

Carry yourself and draw near here and you'll have deep scares to show for your occultic shenanigans.


2. Again, it's either the whole of your Family, both extended and nuclear are very lazy and ignorant people of which I doubt.
Or
You are lying against them, it's impossible to be the only one who gives food to your entre family. You are a Lair to the letter T.

Besides, God did not promise us that believing in Him will amount to Him pouring down financial wealth to us. He said a diligent hand must rule. God hates laziness. If you work, you'd be rich.

He came to save our souls from Sin and Satan, then give us eternal life to live with Him in eternity. He didn't save us to primarily become wealthy. Anyone who works hard will make it even satanists like you.

Paul said if Our hope (Christian's) is only on what we can gain materially here on earth, then we are of all men most miserable. Our hope is beyond here. You don't believe that, you don't need to. We don't need your belief for it to be true

Your mouth will dry up when you die and discover that, like the rich man and Lazarus, you shall be begging from some of your believing family members, if they indeed are born of the Spirit.

Adieu.

CodeTemplar:
Relief materials for Islamic knockouts or jihad logistics.

Jihad logistics.

OLAADEGBU:
Praise the Lord for the prayer closet.

Amen.

justcool:
@ newness101

Thanks for your worthy questions.

You are absolutely right that a loving God would not send spirit germs(fresh spirit germs from Paradise) into a world where evil already exists; hence evil did not exist, even in the material world, before mankind descended into it. The word used in the description in the Grail message is "ignoble vibrations," not evil vibrations. I know the word "ignoble" is related to "evil" and can even, in some cases, the two words used interchangeably as synonyms. But here, one has to let go of rigidity and follow the lecture intuitively. Here we must let go of rigid definition of words, in order to proceed farther. Words can only take us so far, i.e. to the proximity of the Truth; but in order to grasp the Truth we must proceed with our intuitive perception. Here "ignoble" is totally different from "evil." In order to convey my perception on what is meant by "ignoble vibrations" I will paint a picture(analogy) to you.


Imagine a child sent to school for the first time. Once he enters the school compound, even at the outskirts of the school, he is confronted by emanations from the activities that go on in the school. He can see gardeners working in the gardens in the school; he can see or hear students going to classes, in fact the buildings and classes are marked so that he would not miss his way if he so wishes. As he walks around, he might perceive the smell of food oozing from the canteen or refectory. He can see and hear construction workers maintaining the buildings; as he looks further, he sees the cleaners cleaning the premises. He see the school police department or security directing cars and keeping the premises safe and peaceful. He can even hear cars roaring as the pull in and out of the school parking lots. All these numerous activities going on in the school emanate or sends ripples, be they noise, smell, etc. through which one can perceive them. The new student confronted by all these activities now has to decide. He can decide to follow the signboard welcoming new students and directing them to the class to go. He can also decide to follow the sweet aroma of the food and his will lead him to the canteen or refectory where he will only while away his precious time. He may get fascinated by the campus police and follow them around all day. He may even work of the construction workers interesting and get lost in watching them, or the he may like the smell of the cleaning solution that the cleaners use and hence hang around the cleaners all day.

If this new student follows any of these activities, apart from going to class, we can describe him as having followed ignoble activity. Ignoble, in the sense that that activity offers him no benefit as a student, and not that the activity is evil! Hence the Grail message(the English translation) uses the word "ignoble." Ignorable in the sense that it is not a noble or even honorable venture for the spirit, because it offers the spirit no benefit; and not that the vibrations/activities are evil. Neither are they traps or sneers for the spirit germs. God tempts no one! You wouldn't accuse the school authority of setting sneers for the new students just because in addition to schooling there are other activities in the school as well. These activities are necessary to keep the school functioning, they do not interfere with the students activities; however, the student must only follow the activities that he came to school for. Indeed the student should be grateful for these other activities that help keep his school alive and functioning.

In the above analogy, the new student going to school for the first time are the spirit germs entering the world of matter for the first. At this point everything in the world of matter is pure, just as the school described above, and evil is totally out of the question. The world of matter can be likened to a gigantic school where the elementals(Pure servants of God) develop, keep order, and above all keep in motion. Hence even before the first spirit germs entered the world of matter, there were already numerous activity going on in it. Just as the gardeners work on the school garden; the handymen work on the school buildings, the chefs on the school kitchen, etc., the elementals work in the world of matter, some work in the air, some or solids, molding planets, mountains, rocks, etc. Some work in liquids, forming and guiding lakes, rivers, etc. Others work in radiations, lightening up stars, suns, etc. and guiding their radiations. And after these came another species of animistic beings, the germs of the animals we see on earth. These had to wear material bodies, the physical as the outermost while they live on earth. All these activities sends ripples across the world of matter; just as the activities in the aforementioned school or our physical activities sends out ripples though smell, sound, etc. These are the vibrations talked about in the lecture MAN AND HIS FREE WILL.

If you read that lecture carefully you will also notice in the worlds of matter we do not only receive vibrations from activities therein, but also from above. The activities of the matured spirits in Paradise, far above the world of matter, also sends ripples down into the world of matter. Like the surest hand of guidance, these ripples/emanations/radiations are like rivers of guidance that can guide any spirit germ that opens itself to them or decides to follow them. And following these spiritual currents of ripples should be the most natural thing for the spirit germs because the spirits germs bears homogeneity to these currents, i.e. they(the spirit germs) originate from Paradise, from whence these ripples emanate. The spirit germ that follows these heavenly vibrations will soon be so affected that her/his inner qualities(which are pure) will be so strengthened into activity and the reciprocal reaction of these activities will mature the spirit. A spirit that proceeds this way is sure of salvation, she/he will one day resurrect from matter back to Paradise. On the other hand, the spirit germ that follows ignoble vibration/ripples or radiations will not receive the strengthening of her/his inherent spiritual qualities due to lack of homogeneity. These are called ignoble vibrations because they originate from bellow Paradise, form the world of matter; and only that which comes from the spiritual world can nourish or strengthen the inherent pure spiritual qualities of the spirit germs. Hence these ignoble vibrations can only hand on the covering of the spirit germs, preventing their inherent pure spiritual qualities from developing and bearing good fruit, i.e. coming into activity.

In the above explanation, in the fact that vibrations, ripples, or spiritual currents coming from Paradise also enters the world of matter, we see the great and indescribable Love and wisdom of the creator! Love for the spirits germs which only need to follow these spiritual currents (currents to which the already have affinity to because they are spirits as well), to reach their goal. Indeed the human spirit that allows himself or herself to go astray is quite deplorable, because the love of God clearly shows us the way. The student described above, imagine if his father is so loving that every second, every minute, every hour, he could hear his father reminding him his mission at school. Or imagine his father calls or writes to him everyday reminding him of his mission in school. What would you call such a student if after everything he goes astray? The spiritual vibrations from Paradise are like calls or letters the student receives from home everyday, loving providing his needs and pointing him towards the right direction. In deed God is not silent. The Love of God is the most obvious thing there is.


Although the above paragraphs have answered your questions, I will deal with them directly:



The so called ignoble vibrations are simply vibrations arising from activities in the world of matter, lower vibrations, as opposed the higher vibrations arising from activities in the spiritual sphere. You can substitute the word "ignoble" with "low," "lower," or "non spiritual vibrations." Evil is out of the question here, as well as Lucifer.



Yes this perfectly harmonizes with the truth that evil originated from mankind. As I already explained the so called 'ignoble' vibrations are not evil. The concept of evil is entirely different. Evil is from the onset an intention to harm another, just for the sake of it or for self gain. Only mankind indulges in such practices. Even animals did not sink to that level.



Temptation and setting of sneers are out of the question here. God tempts no one! The wrong principle of temptation is the brain child of Lucifer. And it is opposed to God's principle of Love, which supports, waits hand and foot for all to mature.




Creation does not revolve around the human spirit as it is often taught in churches. Man is only one of many creatures in existence, and not perchance more important than other creatures. The spiritual is only one of the many species in creation. Spiritual activities sends out spiritual ripples, currents or vibrations. These are the vibrations that the spirit germs should follow, vibrations to which they already have natural inclination to. Animistic beings in their activities also send off ripples, currents or vibrations, to which animistic germs naturally follow. Since the animistic stands lower than the spiritual in creation, spiritual vibrations are higher than animistic vibrations. It is unnatural for spirits to follow animistic vibrations; such a spirit germ that out of curiosity follows such vibrations initially is not evil, neither is he following an evil vibration. She/he is only following a wrong road. Here the concept of evil and wrong has to be understood. Understanding this concept will unlock many doors of knowledge to you and hand you many keys to many puzzles.

For the sake of clarity, lets examine some of such ignoble vibrations. The desire for physical intimacy, for example! Animals who were on earth before man obey this desire, which is a necessity of the physical body. Copulation goes before procreation, and this is only a natural law, which swings in purity. Even this act of copulation sends ripples or vibrations all the way to the ethereal realm because animals participating in it wear ethereal bodies as well as physical. Hence some spirit germs, even before entering the physical world already started nipping on this 'ignoble' vibration. The desire to fully enjoy this indeed sweet vibration can only draw the spirit germs closer to the earth and finally she/he wears a physical body which will soon give her/him the gift of generative power which will allow him to fully enjoy this vibration. However, even though this spirit has finally arrived on earth, it came in through the wrong road! It will only incarnate among others who are lustful or if there are no such humans on earth already, she/he will be the door through which other such lustful souls will incarnate. And naturally they will give rise to a lustful society or culture on earth. The desire for maturity or to fully set aglow the inherent pure qualities in the spirit germ should be his motive towards incarnation; in biblical words, the desire to multiply and replenish the earth. IE to multiply, strengthen, or fully set aglow her/his spiritual qualities which only the earth and physical body though its generative power can give the spirit germ should be spirit germ's motive to incarnate on earth and form the bases for his incarnation on earth. Such a spirit travels the right road, the road that the spiritual vibrations from above inclines it to. Such a spirit will incarnate in a environment or among people of homogenous spiritual nobility. If there are no such people on earth already, such a person will be the door through which other noble spirits will incarnate. And soon a nature of noble culture will arise among them. Her/his life of earth will not only mature or strengthen his spiritual qualities further, it will also bless the earth, for such only such people can make the earth a reflection or Paradise, i.e. replenish or ennoble the earth. Hence the disparity we see among nations on earth, even at the earliest beginnings of mankind on earth has a strong spiritual reason. However, it must not be thought that man must not never copulate. Quite naturally, when he wears a physical body, this desire must soon as from the physical body when it reaches maturity, i.e. generative power sets in. But with the onset of this power which enables the spirit to radiate most powerfully in the world of matter, the strong component of all that is pure and spiritual is also powerfully felt: Love! This love becomes the motivating factor in all that the individual does; even copulation. And it is this love that makes this copulation, which ordinarily is a desire of the physical, also beneficial to the spirit.

And so it is with all our gross material activities. Eating, drinking, etc. The joy we drive from these activities, are like vibrations which reaches up to the ethereal realm, remember we were ethereal bodies along with the physical body while one earth. Disembodied souls can nip on these vibrations. These vibrations were around even when the first spirit germs entered the world of matter, because animals on earth were already indulging in such activities(eating, drinking, copulating, etc) and the vibrations resulting from can be felt even in the ethereal realm. Some spirit germs even before reaching the earth for the first started nipping on this low, ignoble or wrong vibrations till they become addicts and this addiction becomes bases for their incarnation.

Lets look at another low vibration which mankind has enthroned: Aggression! This is a vibration that is purely animistic. It is one of the lowest branches off the law of motion. The animistic uses aggression to ensure motion. Hence it in the animistic, aggression swings in purity. In the ring of animistic substantiality we have beings that radiate aggression to the lower realms. Hence on earth we have animals, like lions, for example, that swing in this ray of aggression. With this they keep other animals in motion and thus healthy. Ever noticed that the animals Lions directly prey on are often the healthiest? They need to be healthy to survive; once they become unhealthy, they fall victim to the lion. However aggression is very alien to the spirit because it is not spiritual radiation. The spirit originates in a plane where everything is inherently alive and in motion, and voluntarily keeps in motion without needing any outside impetuous. It is unfortunate that today man is as aggressive as the animal; but in man aggression can never swing in purity. Whenever man is angry is always either out of fear, envy, jealousy, or selfishness. Hence men who are easily angered, who often resort to aggressive measure, such as wars and fights, are still very spiritually underdeveloped. Human society should be predominantly peaceful; anger offers the spirit nothing for its development. Aggression is not one of the inherent qualities that the spirit germs poses. But unfortunately, some spirit germs, even before they reached the earth, they already have a predisposition towards aggression. Hence when incarnated they attracted other such souls and formed a warlike nation, culture, or become a warlike people.

There are so many qualities that are animistic or belong to the lower rung of creation which mankind has unnaturally sank to. Things like submission, which lies perfectly in the animistic, which unfortunately many teach today as a spiritual quality worthy of emulation. However the idea of submission does not apply to human spirits who have free will and who should only always follow their will. Only what a man does from his free will brings him benefit; what she/he achieved by submitting to an alien will brings her/him no benefit! By learning to submit, mankind naturally made themselves slaves. Some people become willing slaves after many years of being abused coerced into submission. Think of things like Stockholm's syndrome! Submission can bring an animal benefit, because it has no free will; it doesn't carry the Spirit, the will of God within its soul like humans do; however in humans submission is a violation of the gift of free will. The human spirit carries a part of the holly will of God as its intuition or will. Hence a spirit germ, that forsakes his own will or his conscience and submits to an alien will, is as good burying that which makes it spiritual. Thus even before reaching the earth for the first time, some spirit germs have neglected their will so much that they are almost as good as not having any. Such submissive ones will accumulate and form a tribe of slaves on earth. They will easily be made slaves on earth because they will easily follow and alien will.

I can go on and on but I believe I've said enough to give the idea.

Thanks and remain blessed

Wow. I so like your response and explanations of terms here. But the post long o

Pls I need to know the connection between Grail Message and Eckanker. Are they related in any way? For I use to think they are somewhat the same.

But reading you hear, it appears they are not. You talk about God and Paradise , I think they don't.

I could be wrong tho.

Pls enlighten me.
Thanks a lot.

dirtycoin:
Lies, lies and more lies.

Seeing how his lies have earned him so much money and favours from you.

Be gone ye child of wrath.

JLM:
Hm I wish ...really wish, but have been through so much storm, and heartbreak from trusting God, that I don't know what else to do.

I am in a terrible situation. A situation I don't wish for even my enemy. I have searched for God, cried to him, daily it gets worse, things falling apart, 2years going by. I never knew God could watch a person go through so much torture. At least not one that trusted so much in Him.

Another thing Sis.
How is your mode of prayer? I asked this because sometimes we go before God marshalling orders as if he were the servant and we were the Lord.

Are you appreciative of what he had done in the past? Do you praise Him from your heart? Do you Love and do unto others what you'd wish them to do to you?

Most times we go before Him with a To-do list. We outline what we want and tell Him what to do, how to go about doing it and when we need it done.

We present our Wills, whether they align with His or not and demand He does them anyways. We forget that He is God and doesn't owe Us a thing.

Now you said you are heartbroken for trusting God. Are you sure about that? You followed His instructions as stipulated by Him?

Do you know why He called a woman a dog and said healing is not for dogs for Children? How does the things that concerns Him concern you?

What is your attitudes towards others? How do you feel if things doesn't go your way? Do you complain and murmur? Do you throw tantrums at God or you surrender and wait patiently?

Pls I'm not judging here, just trying to let you know that God does not owe us anything. We are the wicked sinners who deserve nothing but death, how can we then say we trusted God and He failed us?

He will fail us if we entrusted anything in his keep, but did you give Hill divine health to keep for you? No. He only promised you divine health, but on the condition that you have rock solid faith in Him and how He operates.

Will you say God failed Jesus because He let Him suffer so cruelly and died so shamefully? Will you say He failed Apostle Paul for not taking away the thorn in his flesh?

To some God heals immediately they ask. Some don't even ask, they receive. Some ask and wait for years, some don't even deceive. Can you compare yourself, your services, and commitments to Apostle Paul's? Do you know the kind of hardship he went through serving God? Do you know he asked for healing and he was turned down? How come we never heard Paul complain?

Daughter of God, All His answers are yea and Amen.

Know this, there's no Good or bad times with God. He loves you always. You'll understand by and by.


Stay blessed and stay strong, surrender.

JLM:
Hm I wish ...really wish, but have been through so much storm, and heartbreak from trusting God, that I don't know what else to do.

I am in a terrible situation. A situation I don't wish for even my enemy. I have searched for God, cried to him, daily it gets worse, things falling apart, 2years going by. I never knew God could watch a person go through so much torture. At least not one that trusted so much in Him.

I can totally relate. I'm so sorry abt your ordeal. but it could be the horn He needs to get your full attention.

Don't worry, it'll end in glory. You'll testify, don't give up.

It never goes easy with those He has marked. You need to be trained through tough times and adversities. He won't let anything happen to you, if you stay firm.

Don't seek help from another or you'd go off course. Stay focused. He is with you in it all.

Here is where I draw strength...

Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.

Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
Isaiah 51:1-2

Why are we told to look into this two? There's noting you are going through right now that they didn't go through. But, what was the end of the story? Seed theough Isaac came and we are God's kids today as. result of that.

Here is what the Lord says.

Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness. Isaiah 41:10

What gives me so much joy is His promise 'I will help you'
And He is here as our helper in the person of the Holy Spirit. Hold unto Him, don't give up.

iSpread:
In summary,
If a man no longer believes in the gospel (not bible) that means he is first and foremost a Christian. The result of that means he doesn't believe everything said in the gospel, it means he doesn't believe in Jesus cos the gospel is about Jesus and his church. That means you've rejected him. No two ways about that, so therefore this is what removes your name in the book of life - you go to hell for that.

Pls draw a line between the Bible and the gospel.

CodeTemplar:
Freeze is a carnal preacher who interprets the bible like constitution.
In Mathew 23:23, Jesus clearly endorsed tithing and I wonder how Freeze manages to read carnal meaning into scriptures.

You've done him a great honour by calling him a preacher.
Have you ever head him preach against unforgiveness or adultery which he is steeped into?

Freeze.is frustrated and needs his name to keep being relevant. He is above 50yrs with nothing to show for it except an Instagram page. What do expect him to do? He must choose an opponent who will not fight back.

Have you ever seen him take up any politician? No, Muslim?No.

But why Christians? like satan, he knows thay if we attack back, we'll be disobeying Christ, hence he attacks us with the hope that we will default. But, like his master satan, this battle is already lost.

Hallelujahhhhhhhh. That closet is the War Room, where battles are fought and won.

OLAADEGBU:
God bless you brother for enlightening them. I am still waiting for the miracle they said Muhammad performed.

Ah, I read here one of them saying Muhammad split the moon and turned urine into wine.

Jesus stopped the movement of the sun for Moses to.win a war and turned water into wine. Muhammad did his as well.

OLAADEGBU:
They are birds of the same feather.

I know. Jesus haters.

OLAADEGBU:
"For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens" (1 Chronicles 16:26).

It is only Jesus that works in miraculous ways, all other gods like the Watchtower organisation and Allah are idols who work no miracles. Jesus is Lord!

Forever true.

Useless old man meddling in other people's affairs.
A monumental failure in life jelosying others.

Lukuluku69:
Judgement Throne of Christ? And all work to be tested by Fire? If I ask you for references of what you wrote from the Bible now, you will go mute. Go play somewhere else.

I laugh at our pride. You have been boasting of knowing the Word more than I do, and I keep frustrating you. lolzzzzz.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
2Cor. 5:10

1 Corinthians 3:13
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

I didn't do this to proof that I know it, I did this to tell you that your pride will destroy you if you don't repent.

I am not like you who is full of steam, but no substance.

I'm tired of waiting for Muhammad's prophecies.

Shame on you.

*****ignored from now henceforth.*****

Lukuluku69:
Dude, I have listen to virtually every Christian Denomination/Preachers for at least 33 years now, I can authoritatively tell you that the Jehovah Witness are the closest in interpreting what the actual Bible Message is. Yes, they err mainly in their fixation on the end of the World, but take that away, they are far better and considerate than the rest of you. Nairaland is another way to know. Check the many warped stuff most of you guys put up here. Warped and tortured interpretations. And you are an example of such.

Am suppose to be surprised?

Move along you two. All we do here shall speak before the Judgement Throne of Christ.

All our Works shall be tested by fire.

adeniyi4real201:
At some point I wonder if God truly exist. Why the evil doers succeed in life and even mostly go unpunished for the evil doing whereas the innocent suffer and find life very difficult.
A case study of A dearly father who is an easy going, gentleman to the call but has been down in sickness for more than two years now. The man pray every minutes even while managing eating he still pray and he's a member of one of the Gospel church.
[b]He has been to almost different places (Hospitals, churches, mosque, and traditional) [/b]for solution before finally give up on going around for solution because of frustration and effortless with lots of money wasted.
This and others left me with the following questions;
••Does it mean God doesn't answer prayers
••Why will God allow the saint to suffer and even die while watching
••• If truly God doesn't exist at the end what is going to happen
•••• Those who sold religion for us making us to believe in the existence of God what will happen to them
•••Is it just morality to make us live with peace with the others or true religion

I'm sorry for your father's health. Pls don't take in a wrong way. But a saint who believes his God will not go to different places. Churches (which may include white garment Churches), Mosques and then traditional. Like herbalists?

Your Dad consents to all this or he is too weak to object? because a man who will consult Alfa is a man has consulted a Native doctor.

again, I'm sorry for his health.

jesusjnr:
I guess this is my season of extensive banning, for I am yet to fully recover from the heavy bouts of back to back bans, that culminated in 48 hours of my relegation from the religion section, which happens to be pretty much the only section i'm active in nairaland.

So what that implied was that I had to wait till the upturn of my ban, because virtually all my activity in nairaland were religiously inclined, hence if i went to another section to post religious topics, i may still get another ban, which may become a ban too many for my brain to handle, and hence lead to a ban overdose.

So I had to bid my time as a nairaland spectator while my ban lasted, but while in my spectator mode it seemed that there was rejoicing in hell that the tormentor in chief of the nairaland satanists had been banned.

For there was something I saw yesterday when I went to the religion section of Nairaland that took me down memory lane of what the religion section used to be like when I first got here, even before I opened a thread about being wary of satanists here in the religion section.

And I have just taken screenshots of it to make it speak for itself.

And yet people think that it's by coincidence that these things happen, but they don't have the least idea.

Well my message to hell is that jesusjnr is back!

Jesusjnr, are sure you are not Otem?