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AntiChristian:
I won't shut up! You should agree first that they have same second and third meanings!

No wonder U guys hate debating TenQ. He expose the hypocrisy of U Muslims.

Now if I say koran instructs men to strike their wives or the sun sets in muddy water.

Muslims will run and take cover under Arabic; and would start shouting Arabic is a rich and very fluid language, Arabic words have multiple meanings, context is key.

But when it comes to the bible, context is thrown out and words must be applied literally!!!

Bunch of jokers.

Bible writers were careful to ensure the word spirit is only used within the context of wind and the word soul is applied within the context of breathe.

because they wanted to show the two concepts in man is different.

For example the word lobe can be applied to the brain, liver and lungs. That doesn't mean the liver is lungs or the brain is the liver just because the word lobe applies to them all.
Context is key because we know they are different.

AntiChristian U see the importance of not skipping conventional school for Koranic school. U should have completed conventional school b4 thinking of becoming Alfa.

Ohyoudidnt:
325 and 373 but the truth about it is there.

Why do you need the creed to explain a trinity not explicitly mentioned in the Bible or should I say former scripture?

I don't need a creed to explain or believe in trinity. Church fathers were already talking about concept of trinity as far back as 50 AD because they saw it in the bible and Jesus spoke about it.

The word trinity is not in the bible but the concept is there.

Athanasian creed wasn't written in the 4th century. It was written around 6th century. People were already mentioning trinity in the 2nd century.
Therefore don't ask me to defend trinity in Athanasian creed that came 400 yrs after the word trinity was coined.

Let's go back to the bible, I'm here to defend the bible not some creed or what someone said.
What do U think is trinity as per the bible or U think there's no concept of trinity in the bible.
That's what I'm asking U.
Besides I'm asking u- Do U understand how the word GOD is used in the bible.

Ohyoudidnt:
Copy and paste or not doesn't remove the facts. What did you ask specifically?

Was this not if the fallen angels performed their acts with the women in their heavenly state which I answered as they were no more in their heavenly state. Besides were the women in heaven when they bore children according to your book?

You are supposed to be a lot smarter than this why such disappointing answers?

Finally U answered my question.
So U have admitted heavenly being can become humans.
So what's the noise about Jesus becoming a man?

As TenQ showed, even Jubril became a man when he appeared to Mary.

U can't function on earth as a spirit. U have to become a Man. That's the whole point of incarnation.

So AntiChristian logic he's trying to prove here is flawed by comparing characteristics of spirits to that of humans.

Ohyoudidnt:
Genesis 6:2 can be understood in two main ways:

Sons of Seth: This interpretation suggests that the godly descendants of Seth married women who were not godly.
Fallen Angels: This view posits that spiritual beings interacted with human women.
Each interpretation has its strengths and weaknesses, but a significant number of scholars tend to favor the latter, as it has been more commonly accepted in Jewish and early Christian traditions.

Job 1:6 states, “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.”

Now tell is Satan regarded as a fallen angel in Christian or not?

When you consider the apparent contradiction between Matthew 22:30 and Genesis 6 you should note that though the former suggests angels do not engage in marriage or reproduction in their heavenly existence, fallen angels might have assumed physical forms or acted contrary to their divine nature when interacting with humans. Hence the ability to propagate with women. This implies a specific situation where these beings could transcend their inherent characteristics.

copy and paste will not safe u
show mw where the passage mention fallen angels married female humans.
all of a sudden u have gone into interpretation and exegesis, BUT when I did my own exegesis on the same passage, u went into mockery mode.
Hypocrisy is a big stigma amongst muslim apologetics.

show me with clear cut unambiguous evidence that sons of God in Genesis 6 are fallen angels, otherwise dont reply my text.

Ohyoudidnt:
Hebrews 4:2 and 1 Thessalonians 5:23 present some description or understanding of human nature from a biblical viewpoint, yet they do not clearly differentiate between the soul and spirit. Instead, they emphasize various facets of human experience like faith in connection with divine revelation in Hebrews, and the comprehensive sanctification of spirit, soul, and body in Thessalonians without providing specific definitions or distinctions.

I will like you to give clear Biblical or God inspired distinction of the two.

already answered. check my response to antiChristian

AntiChristian:
But I asked you how the father drank Adeboye's tea and you became mute running away from this question! Do spirits drink tea?

I'm here to defend objective revelation in the scriptures.
stop disturbing me with human revelation that are subjective. If u are obsessed with Adeboye drinking tea with a spirit, travel to km 46 and ask him.
Adeboye drinking tea with God is not in the bible. Dont ask me to defend it.

AntiChristian:
Your Bible says God is not a man, but same Bible says sons of God became man! If the sons can become man and fulfil all the characteristics of living things what stops the father from doing same?

Where did the Father become a Man in the bible? show me in the bible. that's what I've been asking u and u failed woefully.
are u slow or u read the bible upside down. what's wrong with u.

AntiChristian:
The biblical God doesn't need human nature to birth Jesus or to drink Adeboye's tea!

I sincerely dont think u making sense here. so I will simply ignore u because I dont know when and how God gave birth to Jesus.

AntiChristian:
Don't be mischievous! They both have a second and third meanings! Can you state the other meanings?

words have multiple meaning my friend. Men are called Elohim in the bible, The devil is called god in the bible. does that mean those passages are talking about the Almighty God?
context is key, dont hide behind one finger. use your brain.
show me in the bible where spirit is used for breath/nephesh or soul is used for wind/ruach. Otherwise shut up.

Ohyoudidnt:
Unusual that you don't understand me.

The idea that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are coequal is a cornerstone of Christian theology, especially in the context of the Trinity.

The Athanasian Creed, dating back to around A.D. 325, clearly expresses the doctrine of the Trinity. It states:
“We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Person: nor divided in Substance.”

Now there are questions from the son doing what he sees the father doing to the holy spirit being the messanger of one or both and not seen sending the other components of the trinity?

Athanasian creed wasn't written in 325 AD, you confusing it with Nicene creed. The creed was likely written in the 6th century.

If your definition of Trinity is based on what's written 600 years after the bible was written, then I dont think u understand trinity really much.
Maybe we should start from the basic.

Do u have an understand of how the word GOD is used in the bible. n.b

AntiChristian:
Even this verse you quoted shows they are the same! Check the translations from Greek! Attached!

spirit is always called pneumatos and soul is always called psucho in the NT, they are never interchanged.
The same in OT. soul is called nephesh and spirit is called ruach and are not interchanged.

In the bible nephesh/soul/psucho denotes breathe and ruach/pneumatos/spirit denotes wind. That's the context of their usage in the bible.

MAN IS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD- SPIRIT, AND THEN BREATHE INTO HIM- SOUL.

The Wind (Ruach/spirit) of El has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life. (Job 33:4)

AntiChristian:
The fact that Angels (aka sons of God) who are spiritual beings could have sex cell and impregnate humans means all spiritual beings including God all have sex cell embedded in their anatomy according to the Bible!

So U agree the fallen angels in Genesis 6 incarnated. Which means they acquired real human nature.
Whatever the fallen angels did was done in flesh.
So what is the issue all about.
Jesus died because he incarnated and had real human nature.
Did the Father ever incarnate? If he ever incarnate, how can he have human attributes?
That's the question I've been asking U and U just doing whataboutism up and down talking about fallen angels.

U can see why your argument makes no sense.
Now we back to square one. Did the father ever had a real human nature.

Ohyoudidnt:
Even the Bible talks of Jesus being troubled in spirit and soul in different verses without clearly differentiating between them. John 12:27 and John 13:21

Does your Bible clearly tell you the Angels incarnated as man before procreating with women? This seems to be your exclusive explanation from the limited Bible of sirtee15. Where can I get a copy?

ok since u want to be nicky picky. Prove to me that verse was talking about fallen angels in the first place. The verse mentioned sons of God having relations with daughters. where is your evidence of fallen angels in the verse.

Genesis 6.1
When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.


because according to Jesus, angels and humans cant have sexual relationship.
Matthew 22.30
At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

That's why I kept asking you and AntiChristian if the the act in Genesis 6 was on earth or in heaven. Both of u failed to give an answer.

Ohyoudidnt:
The verse doesn't say spirit but soul and I put it to you that there is no difference between the two. You claim otherwise but cannot prove it.

So according to the bible soul and spirit is the same? Is that what U saying ?

Hebrew 4.2
For the word of God is active and living, sharper than any 2 edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit.....

1 Thessalonians 5.23
And the very God of peace sanctify you through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Ohyoudidnt:

Outside what I have restated for you of Father, son and holy spirit being coequal, one and the same?

Take it that I don't know and convincingly tell me all there is to know unless you are reneging on your earlier statement.

One and the same in what? U have debated Christians long enough.
U should do better than this...

Ohyoudidnt:
Do tell me all if you are sure there's no confusion of the understanding according to Christians

I want U to tell me what U think is trinity.
because when I bring the evidence , I don't want U shifting goalpost and redefining trinity.
Trust me, this debate won't go beyond a page, the rest will be U arguing against evidence.

Ohyoudidnt:
The result of killing someone is death or dying isn't it? What plausible explanation for the presence of kill in that verse if it has no relation to dying of both the body and soul?

Are your Bible authors simply playing with words?

I don't understand U. Is there a word called spirit in that verse.

Ohyoudidnt:
Go on and clarify or confirm. I doubt you can remove any confusion in what is called trinity

First let's start with definition of trinity.
What is your understanding of trinity according to Christians.

Ohyoudidnt:
Waiting on your explanation of the difference

What do U understand by spirit. Let's start from there...
According to the bible, is man a spirit, soul or body?

Ohyoudidnt:
Your Bible points to this.

Besides what became of the fallen angels in your Bible that propagated with women?
Where do you place their children? What happened to them?

Bible differentiates btw soul and spirit. According to the bible, the spirit of man return to God. It doesn't die.

Did the fallen angels procreate in heaven or on earth?

If it was on earth, that mean they incarnated into real human nature right?

So how's that different from ordinary men.

The question is can a spirit procreate, can a spirit die?

Rollitout:
I heard she is a bully. So don't expect common sense from her at all times

A black girl being a bully? I doubt it
Besides I don't think she did her early years in uk

Ohyoudidnt:
Why the However if they are one and equal in the trinity?

The obvious contradiction in the belief that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one and equal, yet the Father holds a position of authority over the other two, is complex, mysterious, contradictory and simply plain stupid dumb

Let me take U on the trinity. Once we start pls don't run
I will force your brain to accept trinity by the time we done.
U will admit there is no contradiction in trinity but it makes perfect sense.
The God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob can have no other nature but to betriune. THAT'S WHO HE IS IN EXISTENCE.
I don't know about the one Muhammed called his God. That one may not be triune, I dont know.

BUT THE ALMIGHTY SUPREME SOVEREIGN GOD IS TRIUNE.

ITS CONFIRMED IN THE TANAKH, THE TORAH AND THE NEW TESTAMENT.
THE PATRAICH BELIEVED IT, THE ANCIENT JEWS Believed IT AND WE CHRISTIANS ALSO Believed IN HIM WHO IS ETERNALLY TRIUNE.

If U are ready to take the challenge, let's go.

Ohyoudidnt:
Your Bible says both soul and body can be destroyed. Is this different from death?

My question is about spirit not body or soul.

Ohyoudidnt:
The result of killing someone is death or dying isn't it? What plausible explanation for the presence of kill in that verse if it has no relation to dying of both the body and soul?

Are your Bible authors simply playing with words?

My friend, the verse said nothing about spirit. It mentioned soul and body.

If Muslims have a problem differentiating soul from spirit, don't push that on me. Keep that problem to your community.

My question is clear, Can a spirit die? That verse said nothing about spirit.

Ohyoudidnt:
When you consider Matthew 10:28 that says: “And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; rather, fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” This verse highlights the difference between the power of humans (to kill the body) and the power of God (to destroy both soul and body).

Perhaps the difference between soul and spirit should be questioned along with the all able God exhibiting his power not just in hell.

Can a spirit die? That's the question we asked you sir.
Is it possible for a spirit to die.
Your friend seem to think spirit can die....is he correct.

AntiChristian:
Fallen angels could procreate in Genesis 6:1-4.

So this means they can have sex, eat and die too!

Was the procreation in heaven or earth?

If on earth, that means they incarnated and took upon real human nature like Jesus?

Did the Father ever incarnate into a real human body?

ElSudani:
You are talking nonsense. The British and the white folks in general do not deserve any gratitude for stopping what they started in the first place.
There wasn't any trade in human beings before the white man. Slaves before then were people captured in inter tribal wars.
There's no comparison with the trans Atlantic slave trade.

My friend stop the lies.
There was trans Sahara slave trade orchestrated by Arab Muslims b4 any white man bought any slave in Africa.
For more than 700 yrs prior to trans Atlantic slave trade, Arab Muslims pillaged villages and kidnapped Africans selling them into slavery.
Over 12 million Africans were sold into slavery via that route.

If we want to talk about reparation, we should first demand reparation from Arab countries b4 facing the west.

Don't be a hypocrite

AntiChristian:
Where in the OP do you see any islamic projection? You're the one bringing the islamic projection!

Try understand the OP and answer it appropriately! There's no islamic projection therein.

Pastor Adeboye says Yahweh drank his tea, not me!

According to the Bible can spirits die?

AntiChristian:
It's inappropriate for you a Christian to be abusive like this. Angels are spiritual beings and according to the Bible can eat when disguised as a human!

Secondly, God was a spiritual being when He drank Pastor Adeboye's tea. He didn't disguise as a man just to drink tea!

Thirdly, the Christian God can do anything even debasing actions like turning to man, staying in the womb, passing through the birth canal, mixing with his creations, eating food, being protected by his creations, dying amongst others!

Lastly, As a Muslim, Allah is above all these human attributes! Allah created spirits but never called Himself a spirit! Allah doesn't eat nor drink tea! Angels do not die! But Jinns who are also spiritual beings die!
Enough of this diversions can you now answer the OP!

Then go and argue with a fellow Muslim who believes the highlighted.
Don't project Quranic ignorance of metaphysics on me. I never told U I believe the Quran is true.

When U come to debate Christians, learn the bible theology first b4 making up argument that makes no sense.

In metaphysics, spirits can't die. U need a physical body to experience death.

AntiChristian:
The father doesn't have flesh. The father also doesn't need flesh to do anything!

Spirits can die, eat, rise from the dead, weep, etc. just as human!

No be the son need flesh to become human and die?

The highlighted is just plain ignorance. No wonder most Christians ignore U here.
Imagine saying a spirit follows the law of MR NIGER D.
OLODO RABATA.

Spirits are immaterial beings. They are not subject to the law of physical nature. Spirits can't die, it's impossible for a spirit to die.

I don't really blame U, the fault lies with Quran that failed to differentiate between soul and spirit. So how would U not say spirits can die.

Besides let me ask your fellow Muslims...
Qasim and honesttalk do U agree with him
Do U agree that spirit can die.

AntiChristian:
For whatever the Father does, the Son also does. John 5:19!

So from the above It is clear Jesus can't so anything by himself. JESUS ONLY DOES WHATEVER HE SEES HIS FATHER DOING!!!

1a.When Jesus ate, the father must have eaten before him!
1b.When Jesus wept the father must have wept before him!

2a.But later Jesus died on the cross!
2b.So the father must have died before him!

3a.Then Jesus rose from the dead!
3b.That means the father did rise before him!

Maybe you both should read well again!

That's why I asked U does the Father have flesh?

NIGERIANS SHOULD LEAVE KEMI ALONE, SHE WAS ELECTED TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF UNITED KINGDOM NOT NIGERIA.
ALLOW HER FOCUS ON THE TASK AHEAD RATHER THAN DISTRACTING HER WITH UNNECESSARY DRAMA.

KEMI FULLY IDENTIFIES WITH HER NIGERIAN ROOTS AND ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT GROWING UP IN NIGERIA AS A CHILD ON MANY MEDIA PLATFORM.

WHAT ELSE DO U WANT. TOO MUCH ATTACHE COULD BE IRRITATING.

MiddleDimension:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOeWoHIvlG0

@Sparko1 @almarthin @MaxInDHouse @SIRTee15 @StillDTruth @DTruthSpeaker

This man who is in ministry says the side chick syndrome is prevalent in the church. Although he repeated the ignorance prevalent in the christian church that christianity does not teach polygamy; but he nevertheless admitted that sidechikism, which your religion, christianity goes against, is prevalent.

So, can you see how your false teaching of compulsory monogamy causes not just in the society, but also in your church?

WE FOLLOW THE SCRIPTURES AND NOT MEN. THE SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR ON POLYGAMY.
SIDE CHICK IS ADULTERY AND LAST TIME I CHECKED THE SCRIPTURE, ITS A SIN.

WHAT I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND IS THIS LAME ATTEMPT TO USE POLYGAMIST IN THE BIBLE TO PROMOTE THIS SELFISH PRACTICE.

THERE ARE COUNTLESS MONOGAMIST IN THE BIBLE, FROM GENESIS TO REVELATION.
THERE ARE MORE MEN THAT PRACTICE MONOGAMY COMPARED TO THOSE THAT PRACTICED POLYGAMY.
SOME EVEN DIDNT MARRY THROUGHOUT THEIR LIVES.

SO I DONT GET THE BIG DEAL ABOUT MUTUAL FIDELITY WITH ONLY ONE WOMAN.

PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS WANT TO FOLLOW THEIR DESIRES AND IGNORE THE WORD OF GOD IN THE BIBLE.

Look man it's a free word, if the church isn't allowing U to have multiple women, U are free to leave Christianity and join any religion that will help U fulfil your wish.

Christianity isn't a prison.

AntiChristian:
So how is this statement true "For whatever the Father does, the Son also does" What does it mean as you never really answered it? GothamCities, mightysparrow

The Son of God came to earth to fulfill the will of the Father. He will only do what he sees his Father do.
He came to fulfil only the will of the Father and not his own will.

But the Father also cannot the do or will anything without the expression of the WORD. Without the word proceeding from the Father, nothing can be done.