They brought the Holy Bible not to proselytize Africans into Christianity but to enslave them. These missionaries taught Africans the verses of the Holy Bible pertinent to slavery. Consequently, the latter accepted the Holy Bible and their land was taken by the former.
Verses of Slavery in the Holy Bible
1 Peter 2:18 Slaves should remain submissive, with every fear, to masters, not only those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are crooked.
1 Timothy 6:1 6 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.
1 Corinthians 7:21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.
Exodus 21:20-21 When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
Ephesians 6:5 NLT Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-2 Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.
Luke 12:47-48 The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.”
Let me ask U a question since U know so much about slavery and the bible.
If the bible endorsed slavery why did colonial masters produced a different bible for slaves. Why didn't they allow slaves read form their own bible since the bible in the white man's hand endorse slavery. Why didn't slaves and the master read the same bible version.
Stoplying: Me mathematician tells you medical doctor or clinician or whatever that you guys in the medical business do not qualify to be called scientists, you are not smart enough.
Even a 10 yr old girl knows any young woman with unexpected PV bleed will be screened for pregnancy. But your dumb mind thinks such young lady will try to cover up what's obvious by lying... Who is she deceiving? If she's trying to cover up why did she come to hospital. U are too dumb to be a scientist in the first place.
Stoplying: You people in the medical business are not very smart, it is an insult to real scientists like mathematicians to call you guys scientists.
What shame will make U lie to a clinician? A Muslim girl came to see a clinician for vaginal discharge or vaginal bleeding and she was asked if she's sexually active. Why would she lie? How would giving a wrong question help her cause?
The problem is you are projecting your own stoopidity into others. Not everyone is a chronic pathological liar like U.
Stoplying: You don't understand how hypocrisy works. Asking a religious girl about her sexuality is just like asking Dwight Howard about his homosexuality.
I'm talking about medical questions when they come to hospital. Why would they lie when it comes to their health?
Stoplying: Joke of the century, you need to learn the meaning of the word "hypocrisy", all religions are infested with it. Your virgin religious bride has most likely had the high school football team run several trains through her.
If U don't know something just shut up. How dey wan run train on them...are they in cheerleading or they do sports or they into school modelling or even go to stadium to watch sports.
I work with them in UK, ask them about their sexuality- it's always not sexually active except few badly raised ones.
I do not know if you are just overly ignorant of the happening in your environment or you are just blindly trying to project US as heaven that it is clearly not. Over 20k children get missing every year, and they are never found. Justice system has dropped to below 50%, that is, you can get killed and justice will never be served. Petty crimes like burgling and shoplifting are making thousands of businesses close up, especially in New York - They will soon start to spread to other States as the businesses are migrating, so are the crimes.
Apart from the advantage that the green card gives when travelling, it is not an haven for starters or low-income earners as your life is often in danger at home, taking a walk, going to the mall, hanging out, road rage during driving etc.
I don't know where you hail from in Nigeria, but i can categorically tell you i feel safer in Nigeria than elsewhere i have ever been to. I still fly into Nigeria every year to spend 1 good month, been doing that in the last 10 years except for 2020.
It is overwhelming that is why they never get reported, plus, the media of USA purported to have freedom is actually a faux, they key into the US agenda, as we can see in the case of Russia vs Ukraine war - they are selling lies pushed by their politicians to the taxpayers.
There is every chance that police will harass you someday, and you may not be lucky someday.
My friend, a PhD holder and a lecturer, married to an American health professional, the wife have raised concern over raising their kids in US, they have been trying to relocate in like 2 years now. They hope to make it possible this year. Bayo Adio on youtube, he lived practically all his life in US, he is back in Naija, he said same thing. You have not lived as much as he has lived, obviously.
I will never understand this talk of failed parents blaming the western system for their own failure and children waywardness. Is it not the same west that Muslim parents raise their kids? Muslim girl teens and their orthodox Jewish counterpart leave high schools as virgins. Infact majority get married as virgins. They dress decently, don't do only fans or any other nonsense. Is it not the same America that black Christian parents are raising wayward kids and blaming it on the system? How are muslim parents doing it?
I was shocked the day I realised Muslims girls dress like ninja to public high school. With that level of bully American public schools are notorious for, it's amazing they could bravely dress like that to school. Yet girls from African homes will be seen with skimpy dresses up and down, wearing clothes that expose her body while fighting mum that she can't tell her how to dress.
Kids from Muslims home don't drink, their girls don't fornicate, they don't do drugs and rarely get involved in crime. Muslim kids hold onto their traditional values, the girls dress just like they would have done if they were raised in their home country. They respect the elders in the community and tale advice from their parents seriously.
Today 10 percents of pharmacist in new york are from Muslims home, 9 percent of doctors in new york are children of Muslim immigrants parents. They own business but still hold on to their home values despite the fact they were raised far away from home.
So how come children from muslims home in America turn out well while it's the kids from black Christian homes that constitute nuisance on the street.
It has nothing to do with American system but everything to do with failed parenting, dysfunctional homes and badly raised kids. That's why I said earlier that prayer is as important as hardwork in America. But no, our blacks immigrant people will be the first to be forming pseudo-atheist and intellectual nonsense. When things go south, they start looking for who to blame and how to relocate the kids to Africa as if their is a magic recipe for raising kids in Africa.
Offpointng: I'm glad you understand I'm not downplaying how Good America is and how Beneficial America has been to Migrants and Africans at large. I'm only trying to expose the real truth most people don't know bout America.
And No Sir, my claim of Americans leaving America in large numbers is not nonsense. Why do people migrate "majorly"? Security and Economic reasons
There are reasons some persons from some countries are never denied Visa or better still they enjoy Visa free to many Countries. countries like; Norway, Japan, New Zealand, Singapore and in Africa, Seychelles, Mauritius and Botswana. Cuz if your Country has both strong economy and security why would you want to relocate to live elsewhere??
diamond68: nigga yo ass crazier than Charlie boy on LGBTQ day. A camel per hour is like 50 dollars and 5 camels is 250 dollars. For the whol day I make 2000 dollars with my 5 camels. Has your father ever seen 2000 dollars before ?
Yinmu...U don't own a camel to your name anywhere. Camel tourism are run by companies and it doesn't come cheap. In fact it's easier to rent human for business in Dubai than to rent a camel. The only job I can do that will earn U 2000 dollars a day his opening your mouth and eating Arab shit.
My father may not have seen 2000 dollars because he worked and retired in Nigeria where they don't spend dollars but he has successfully raised a son who has earned more then 2000 dollars in a day.
I won't join in your stupidity of insulting your father because it's obvious U either lack one or you don't value him for U to come online and be insulting people's father.
diamond68: nigga you crazy, immigrunts come to Dubai everyday and get rich. Buy 5 camels and rent out to tourists for rides in the desert 🐪🤣
You must be stoopid to think renting out camels to tourist will make U rich. Maybe U should ask your boyfriend to do it for a year and let's see how far.
I don't blame U, as a dumb Nigeria slay queen what do U know about hustle. Shebi it's for a man to carry U to Dubai and be showing U the glamour then U think everybody is rich by renting out camels in Dubai.
Offpointng: While I sincerely agree with you, but what's the Point when my Life can be taken in a flash? I have to suck every shit anyone throws at me and not react cuz he might kill me. What's the point when I can be killed in a cross fire if I just want to go buy Food at Walmart??
Now assuming someone kill you during the course of arguing, that's a voluntary manslaughter and in 3 years with a good character in prison, the person is out. Again I ask, what's the point?
There are close to a million Nigerians living in America. How many have U heard getting killed because they visited Walmart. How many do U know?
Nigerian Americans are the most successful amongst all Nigerian immigrants. Have U seen a Nigerian in America going to social media to do a lamentation of his life or saying I regret coming to America. It's always Nigerians in UK or Canada doing that nonsense.
Guy leave story. U can't rewrite what everybody knows is a fact. America is a land of opportunity that can never be found anywhere else in the world
It's a country where fresh immigrants off the boat with basic qualifications are getting a job of over 150k per year. Vivek is the son of Indian immigrants, he's 38 yrs but already worth 800 million dollars. Now he's gunning to be president of USA. Even rishi sunaak made his money in USA, not UK. He only returned to UK for politics.
My advice to all immigrants going to USA. Avoid ghetto areas by all means, don't do drugs, avoid crime, get education and work hard. And don't 4 get the place of prayer.
Trust me the chance of you making it is very high. Yes shit happens, people sleep and they don't wake up. We can't rule that out anywhere but the truth is the positive fat fat outweigh the negative when it comes to America.
The opportunity is just too much and good thing is those opportunities are available to everybody including immigrants. That's what makes America unique.
Your claim Americans are leaving in thousand is just nonsense. People relocate for several reasons. Lots of white people retire in Thailand and Indonesia because it's cheaper and affordable. If africa gets it's acts together and provide basic infrastructure, control inflation and improve standard of living..white people will also be retiring there too.
Offpointng: When I was quite younger and Inexperienced, with the way American movies and News paint her country to be the best place on Planet Earth, it became my choicest Country and a Country of my dream
Until I got in Contact with this Russian controlled page "In The Now" that exposes the rotten and Dirty secrets America has been hiding away from folks outside America before the page was brought down, my jaw dropped. It's there I got to know;
> Each day you wake up in America, you live in constant fear, esp if you're Black
> Each year, thousands of Americans also Japa from America to live in other countries
> Atleast 312 people are being shot daily in the US (app 1 persons in every 12min)
> Just like in Nigeria, you're not safe at Night as you can be robbed or shot dead
> You don't spend much time in a place of large gathering like Walmart, Clubs or Cinemas, cuz it's not safe as you can be shot dead "mistakenly"
> When people look at you for long, it really might not be in admiration, you should be nervous
> Many Kids and Adults are being kidnapped and with a hopeless likelihood of been found
> A simple n short Argument can cost you ur life (America is the easiest place to be killed mistakenly)
> Being Black leaves you at a Disadvantage when being approached by the Cops as a racist Cop can push you into doing or saying something that can cost you your life
> Police approach you with a safety off Gun in fear cuz he doesn't know if you have a gun or not and "any uneasy body movements" can have him release bullet shots, killing you.
> Your killers can bag a 5 - 10year jail time and be out to live even his best life.
> There's no True Justice in America, Detectives are always looking for evidence even when it's glaring, so don't loose guard by allowing anyone kill u first
> Just like in the Jungle, life in America is a life of kill or be killed. reason why everyone own a Gun
1st that page should expose the rotteness in russian system. Rampant corruption, alcohol addiction, homelessness, elderly abuse, weak institutions. Russia is referred to as Nigeria with snow.
2nd America may have it's problem but can never be compared to any other place on earth. It's a place where am immigrants can come from nothing to become everything. No other country offers such opportunity.
Sladem05: Yup it was destroyed, but the point is blacks are very much a marginalised group in America. They were enslaved and segregated by the whites. They live in a country that’s never going to see them as being apart of that society.
Sladem05: Nonsense 1. Hispanics have overtaken Blacks in population numbers as well as income, economic contribution and so on. Hispanics and Asians are the hardest working in America. The food, the infrastructure, tech space. They are the ones controlling it. Asians help America retain its scientific and technological leadership. Silicon Valley is just Chinese and Indian Visa students.
2. Hispanic GDP is 3 trillion USD vs Blacks at 1.5 trillion.
3. Hispanics don’t commit as much crime, they outperform Blacks academically, economically and in every way that matters. Compare Black test scores, IQs and incomes to others in the US.
4. Blacks have always been at the bottom of America. America is a European civilisation just like Canada,NZ and Australia. The US wasn’t designed for Black people. They ain’t surpassing nothing. Hispanics and Asians have surpassed them. Even African and Carribean immigrants have.
5. Cartels have a presence in America. But Hispanics and Whites don’t suffer from drug abuse as much as black Americans do.
OneCandleAway: Even her role in half of a yellow sun , the director wasn't impressed. They almost cut out her scene if not for genevieves manager who pleaded that Nigerians will want to see her.
To be honest, I was very disappointed with her acting in that movie. So unnatural ana unreal, I could see she was acting. The scene where she was arguing with chiwetel ejiofor gave her our as subpar actress.
AntiChristian: It has been truly authentically established that Khadeejah took the Prophet to Waraqah when the Prophet received the divine revelation for the first time as you quoted above. When the Prophet told him what had happened to him, Waraqah said, 'This is the Namoos (i.e., the Angel who is entrusted with the Divine messages) that Allaah had sent to Moosa (Moses may Allaah exalt his mention). I wish I were younger and stronger. I wish I could live to the time when your people will drive you out.' The authentic traditions in this regard did not mention that Waraqah had preached the Prophet or taught him any beliefs or legislations or that the Prophet, sallallaahu ʻalayhi wa sallam, frequented his house and studied at his hands as they alleged. Any fair-minded impartial person who listens to the words of Waraqah can easily deduce that he wished he could live longer and become the student and faithful defender of the Prophet, sallallaahu ʻalayhi wa sallam, to support and defend him at the time of affliction. However, some people stubbornly held fast to their false claim and reversed the facts to claim that Waraqah was the teacher from whom the Prophet, sallallaahu ʻalayhi wa sallam, learned his religion and the Quran. How misguided and sinful is your false Judgment!”
So quote where Waraqah taught Muhammad anything?
Mr Man, what gospel was Waraqah reading and translating with the help of Allah- the injeel or corrupted gospel. That's my question, dont run away. I thought u muslim claim the gospel was corrupt, where did Waraqah came about the gospel he used to confirm the prophethood of muhammed.
AntiChristian: Yeah i am ignorant but you are more ignorant here. - There is not only one version of the Old Testament; the Tanakh is one version, but there are others, such as the Septuagint and the Masoretic Text.
I'm not going to waste my time with an obstinate illiterate on matters of hebrew literature.
AntiChristian: - The Septuagint is not just a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible; it is an important ancient Greek translation with its own significance according to your scholars.
septuagint is translated from what?
AntiChristian: - The Masoretic Text is not exactly the same as the Tanakh; it is a specific Hebrew text preserved by the Masoretes.
what's the difference btw tanakh and masoretic text?
AntiChristian: - The Codex Leningradensis is an important manuscript of the Masoretic Text, but it is not the oldest extant copy that exist. - The Dead Sea Scrolls are not just ancient manuscripts of Jewish religious literature; they also contain texts that are not part of the Tanakh, making them more than just a collection of biblical texts.
Who suppose read more?
you better go research more on biblical textual criticism. your ignorance is oozing
AntiChristian: Of course he did speak with Jews, idolators and all of that. The Magi too visited Jesus and gave him gift can we say Mary had an association with them or that probably Jesus learnt the Gospel he preached from them at birth. Jesus wined and dinned with sinners! Probably they too influenced him somehow! The list can be endless!
Jesus message is unique, it's a new message not preached anywhere b4. Muhammed message is not uniquee. Even koran confirms muhammed message is not unique and people around Muhammed told him they have heard his message before and they are not new- they called them fables of the past.
And when OUR verses are recited to them, they say, `We have heard. If we wished we could certainly say the like of it. This is nothing but mere tales of the ancients'. S. 8:31 Sher Ali
And when it is said unto them: What hath your Lord revealed? they say: (Mere) fables of the men of old, S. 16:24
THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BTW JESUS AND MUHAMMED. THE MESSAGE OF JESSU IS UNIQUE AND NEW- HE BROUGH THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE THAT WERE NEVER PREACHED BEFORE. MUHAMMED BROUGHT NOTHING NEW, HIS MESSAGE WAS SIMPLY COPY AND PASTE
AntiChristian: As i said above, Jesus spoke to the Pharisees and Sadducees in the Bible! He even went to the temple as a child! So did he learn the Gospel from someone there
Yeah, you are right! But show us your proof? The Qur'an was revealed in 23 years! Was he always on trade to learn from everywhere in the world?
Of course they were but that doesn't substantiate your claim at all!
Who are the we? What do you possess? The Tanakh, as a collection of sacred Jewish texts, likely existed in various forms before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, but the formalized canonization of the Tanakh was a gradual process and not definitively established 100 years prior to the Dead Sea Scrolls.
The process of canonization of the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) was a complex and evolving process over centuries, and the term "Tanakh" to refer to the three-part division of the Hebrew Bible might not have been standardized 150 years before the Dead Sea Scrolls were written. Na lie!
The septuagint was translated around 250 BC during the reign of Ptolemy II. if the jews had no compiled hebrew bible as at 250 bc, the septuagint bible was translated from what? answer the question.
AntiChristian: I agree that the manuscripts found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, including biblical texts, are indeed among the oldest extant manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible but they are not the sole existing ancient manuscripts but needs to be considered alongside other textual sources for a comprehensive understanding.
English is my Lingua Franca not my mother tongue! Na bastard dey use left hand point out hin papa's house come use right point oyinbo's house!
My friend, leave lingua franca out of it. what is the meaning of extant? what js the oldest old testament manuscript we have today? what is the significance of the dead sea scroll to the bible?
TenQ: Ask antichristian about the whereabouts of 1. The Qur'an of Mohammed collected during his lifetime 2. The Qur'an of Abubaker (which was missing some verses) 3. The Qur'an of Uthman which was a revised edition of Abubaker's Quran.
Ask him how come the Qur'an they use now is from the RECITATION (not from the Qur'an of Mohammed or Abubakar or even Uthman) from a guy called Hafs?
Ask him why no Muslim will take the Hadith from Hafs seriously. Isn't he a hadith fabricator like his father?
And he is talking about oldest bible manuscript.
Ask him about the oldest COMPLETE Manuscript of the (not three or four pages) Qur'an. Let's hear if he would say it's the Birmingham Quran manuscript so that we can laugh
TenQ longest time. I think U should have a social media platform to expose the lies of Muhammed.
Antichristian what's the oldest extant manuscript of the Quran u guys have.
MindHacker9009: God has not written His Original Torah in my heart and told me to go and look for others He has written the same Original Torah in their heart so that we can form a religion. No it does not work like your corrupted physical scripture where you have to look for others following the same corrupted physical scripture to form a religion with so that Magi and Sorcerers can use it to deceive those that are naive . When God writes His Original Torah in a person's heart it means we are always guided by the Original Torah in all that they do.
How can God write the original Torah in my heart too
AntiChristian: Quote the hadith and stop the ignorant chest beating like Shaytan!
Narrated by Aisha
Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqah bin Naufil bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Arabic letters. He would write from the Gospel in Arabic as much as God wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight.
Bukhari 1:1:3. See also Bukhari 4:55:605; Bukhari 9:87:111; Muslim 1:301. So tell me what gospel is he translating to Arabic with the help of Allah. Remember he's a Christian convert.
AntiChristian: I am not dumb here. The Hebrew OT has many versions that are not exactly the same! 1. Dead Sea Scrolls 2. Masoretic Texts 3. Septuagint 4. Codex Leningradensis
And there are more versions!
There's only one version of the old testament and that's the Tanakh- the Hebrew bible, all versions U mentioned are simply translation of the Tanakh. Septuagint is the greek translation of the Hebrew bible, Masoretic text is the same as Tanakh- it's the authoritative Tanakh of the Jewish religion. Codex leningradensis is the oldest extant copy of the Masoretic text we have with us.
Dead sea scrolls is not a bible. It's ancient extant manuscripts of Jewish religious literatures and includes books in the tanakh. There are other literatures found in the dead sea scrolls that are not related to the tanakh. Pls do more reading b4 posting it will help with your ignorance.
AntiChristian: The New Testaments too has many manuscript versions that are not exactly the same like Textus Receptus, Ryland Papyrus P52, etc.
Guy u mentioning extants manuscripts of the greek NT. Some of them are just a page of their book!!!! It's like someone saying Birmingham manuscript is a copy of the Qur'an. Read guy...read.
AntiChristian: So which was used to translate your Syriac Bible? So when people go for trade they discuss other people's religion? Give us proofs for you opinion!
Did Muhammed speak to Jews in Medina? Did he speak to Waraka who had the injeel with him Communication with your business partner is not limited to trade, U discuss other things...don't U?
The concept is to show U the injeel and tawrat were not isolated from Muhammed.
AntiChristian: Do you believe in those Books as word of God too or na cherry picking you dey do? You mentioned the dead sea scroll and it is against you now! The dead sea scroll is just a collection of ancient writings no one can ascertain their true authorship or even if they are true!
Guy we already have the tanakh 100 yrs b4 the dead sea scrolls. The Jews had canonised their scriptures and compiled it into one book called tanakh 150 yrs b4 dead sea scrolls were written. Manuscripts in the dead sea scrolls are just the oldest extant manuscripts of the old testament books that we have. Do U know what extant means? because he be like say na English dey worry U!!
AbuTwins: Where did Jesus himself approve any oral gospel? What does the declaration of faith entails?
Jesus' own words to this disciples....
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Truly I tell you, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”
Jesus did tell his apostles to spread the gospel by words.
AbuTwins: And we should find it inside Corinthians letter of Paul who didn't meet Jesus in real time?
So we should ignore Paul who saw the Lord Jesus in a vision but accept the tales of Muhammed who equally received his revelation in visions. It's like U Muslims don't think b4 writing.
AbuTwins: I did write the periods for you so you should see that I wanted to write 4 to 8 decades after Jesus's death!
How did U know they were written 8 decades after Jesus. How did you come to such conclusion? Based on what?
I already told there was oral gospel which was recited and transmitted and taught to new converts in the early church.
They were later written down during the lifetime of the apostles of Jesus when the oral gospel was alive. The oral gospel and eye witness account were quality control to written gospel. That's why the gospels were initially called ' memoirs of the apostle'. Pls check the meaning of memoir b4 replying me.
AbuTwins: No oral tradition could last that long before been written! Especially the book of John that came about 80years after Jesus.
Are U ok? The oral tradition of African traditional religions lasted thousands of years b4 some were written down last century. The traditional priests memorize over a thousand divination chants and incantations, then it's passed down generations to generations. This tradition has been ongoing for over 1 thousand years b4 any pen or paper appeared on black African soil. To U guys, it's always Muslim v Christianity. Wake up, there are multiple religions competing against your Islam.
AbuTwins: I have given you the timeline when the gospels were written! 4-8 decades Decades after Jesus's early mission!
That timeline is wrong!!! That's why I asked U to produce your evidence for the claim. If U following bible scholars, better find out why they said the gospels were written after 70AD!!! You are theist not an atheist.
MindHacker9009: It's not a religious faith with members all following your corrupted physical scripture, which Magi and Sorcerers are using to deceive those that do not have the Original Torah written in their heart.
Are U the only one in world that has the original Torah written in his heart?
MindHacker9009: I'm not using any gospels written by a man as quality control. The gnostic gospels discovered were dated back to about the eight century and are the oldest written down gospels closest to the supposed ministry of Jesus in the first century, making it within eight hundred years. But the Dead Sea Scrolls which we are not even sure of it's authenticity, is dated to around the first century AD which is about one thousand six hundred years after Moses wrote down the Torah, so what quality control have you used to check if the Dead Sea Scrolls are the original words in Torah written down by Moses.
The only written down quality control I would have accepted is the Original Torah God Himself wrote and gave to Moses but since it was broken, the only quality control I use now is the Original Torah God has written in my heart.
So U have the original Torah written in your heart by God. Did God also write it on the hearts of other followers of your faith?
AntiChristian: And you think that Injeel is the Book of Matthew to Revelations right?
According to your hadith, waraka had the injil...yes or No. Ask your hadith which of the book Waraka was translating to Arabic with the help of Allah. Ignorant Muslims all over the place. You better don't start digging about the Muslims imaginary 'true injil' or I will bury you n dislocate your faith.
AntiChristian: Which translation of the Bible was circulated in the Peshita? And how did Muhammad understand the language? Give us the full gist as it happened in old school Arabia 1500 years ago!
I said Peshitta is the Aramaic translation of the Hebrew OT and koine greek NT bible. Are U dumb or what? When Muhammed travels to Syria for trade n business, how does he communicate with the Syriac people? Sign language
AntiChristian: Dead Sea scroll is dated around 200BC - AD 68!
And the biblical manuscripts of its content are useful to my case! FIXED
Here are some of the extra biblical books found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. FIXED
1. Serekh ha-Yahad or Community Rule 2. The Damascus Document 3. Sefer ha-Milhamah, Rule of War 4. The Book of Mysteries 5. Ben Sira (Wisdom of Ben Sira, Sirach, or Ecclesiasticus) 6. The Book of Tobit 7.Enoch 8. Jubilees 9. Book of Noah 10.Testament of Levi 11.Testament of Naphtali 12. Sayings of Moses 13. Genesis Apocryphon 14. Prayer of Nabonidus
Are all these part of what you call the Old testament? If you can remove one then all is faulty!
Na these you claim Muhammad copy?
Thank God u were honest enough to say some of the books in the dead sea scrolls. Here is a non exhaustive list of books found in the dead sea scrolls that includes the PENTATEUCH
The Biblical story portrays Jacob as a sissy! Jacob and Rebecca his mother deceived Isaac, mother discriminated between her sons, Poor role models, Poor Parenting, deception, stealing, Extreme naivety
Jacob was over 40 years when he stole Esau's blessings, yet he seems to be a mummy's pet, weak and not having a mind of his own! He was even tricked by his father in law to marry Leah instead of Rachel. He then had to serve more years to marry later have Rachel his true love!
Finally the worldly concept of blessing that was stolen by Jacob! All Blessings comes from God! Who can steal from God? The Bible shows that the blessing meant for a creation can be stollen with deceit and mischief! The blessing in this case is similar to that of Prophethood!
Allah says in the Qur'an: Verily, We have inspired you (O Muhammad SAW) as We inspired Nuh (Noah) and the Prophets after him; We (also) inspired Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and AlAsbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], 'Iesa (Jesus), Ayub (Job), Yunus (Jonah), Harun (Aaron), and Sulaiman (Solomon), and to Dawud (David) We gave the Zabur (Psalms).
Allah refutes the claim that Jacob stole his brother's blessing from his father Prophet Isaac! Allah chooses whoever He wills as His anointed Prophet and this choice can not be influenced by any mischief/evil ever! Joseph did not steal this same blessing from his other brothers! Allah choose him as His Prophet from amongst them!
Jacob on the death Bed (Biblical Narration)
Jacob on the death Bed (Islamic Narration)
Did Jacob preached to his sons at his death bed to worship one God or foretold their future and prayed for them?
While the Bible can be see as largely ethnocentric and people-centric, the Qur'an is seen as Allah-centric!
Summary! Jacob in the Bible is portrayed as being a sissy, a deceiver and a thief! Jacob in the Qur'an is portrayed as a righteous Prophet and one devoted to God's worship!
Do you think the Qur'an copied the Bible in this regard?
I know you northerners have abandoned your traditions and history and embrace arabisation. But let me ask U a question
If a Japanese man start writing the history of the Hausa which contradicted the one written by the Hausa themselves.. This Japanese man has never been to any Hausaland, he's never with any Hausa man, has no idea what Hausaland looks like but he insisted his own history of the Hausas is correct and the one the Hausas wrote about themselves is wrong.
Which would U believe? The Japanese one or the Hausa. Who can write the history of a people better- a foreigner or the people themselves?
AntiChristian: This is not proof he copied from any scripture! When did he meet Warakah? How many times? And when he traveled to Syria was he listening to the Bible as you have it today?
Waraka having the injil proved Muhammed grew up very much aware of the Jewish and Christian scriptures. The syrian Christians had the Peshitta bible which was written in Aramaic. The bible was already circulating as far as 4th century.
AntiChristian: Revelation brought it. What Torah did they have? The Book of Genesis, Deuteronomy, Numbers, Leviticus, Exodus, etc. right?
That's how U Muslims expose your ignorance. The dead sea scrolls written in 250 BC- 850 yrs b4 Muhammed included the Torah which included genesis, exodus, Leviticus, numbers and Deuteronomy. The Torah was in scrolls and included the Pentateuch.
U guys better go and read about biblical textual history. Muhammed is about to be exposed as a fraud. Just watch out!!!
In what language was the oral Gospel transmitted? Who controls it? How can it be traced to Jesus?
Are you saying the oral Gospel survived for about 4 to 8 centuries for the Gospel to be penned down?
- **Mark**: Written around 35-40 years after Jesus's death. - **Matthew and Luke**: Written around 45-60 years after Jesus's death. - **John**: Written around 60-80 years after Jesus's death.
The oral gospel was the logia of Jesus alongside his life deeds recited by the disciples of Jesus. They were called creed because the oral gospel was called declaration of faith. It was originally recited in aramaic and later in greek when gentiles started converting to Christianity. The oral gospel was started by the apostles themselves. read 1 Corinthians 8
What do u mean the written gospel was 4 to 8 centuries? That gospel was written 800yrs after death of Jesus? Olodo
All gospel were written in the Lifetime of the apostles and people who saw Jesus. They verified what was written was true.
MindHacker9009: How about the Gnostic gospels of the Nag Hammadi library discovered in 1886 before the Dead Sea scrolls of the Essene library, so which quality control did you use to decide which one to accept?
Do U believe in the gnostic gospels? Are they your quality control because I don't know why U talking about them.
Dead sea scrolls are quality control because they are the oldest manuscript we have with us and they correlate with our scriptures.
AbuTwins: So each writer has a preconceived notion of what he wants to write and what his writing should achieve! Thank you!
There was quality control to ensure bias ideology didn't find it's way into the gospel text. That's why I told U to go and read about oral gospel which predate written gospel.
If what is written contradicts the gospel that was recited in churches, the text is rejected.
AntiChristian: Which verse be that? And do you have proof that verse reached Arabia during the Prophet's time?
There were Christians in Najran during the time of Muhammed. Waraka, khadijah's uncle is well versed with the scriptures and was even translating the injil to Arabic. Muhammed used to travel to Syria for trade, there were lots of Christians in Syria at that time.
Torah had an Arabic name- tawrat. If the Torah hadn't reach the Arabic peninsula, how come Muhammed knew what's called taurat.
There were 3 Bani Israelites tribe in Medina during the time of Muhammed and they surely had the Torah.
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