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AbuTwins:
Where is the Biblical God's world? Is it not Israel and mainly Jewish?
Yahweh is Jewish!
He is the God of Israel.
Is this a lie?
The world of Yahweh is Israel!
Jesus explained his world to you in the same Matthew 15:24, Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.” (NLT)

So Jesus's world = Israel!

I'm 100% sure even yourself knows within that u not making any sense.
All of a sudden Jesus world is Israel.

If Jesus world is Jewish why did he preach to the Samaritan village who are not Jewish.

If Jesus world is Jewish, why did the gentiles living in Galilee rejoiced when they heard the gospel

Matt 4

15 “Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali,
the Way of the Sea, beyond the Jordan,
Galilee of the Gentiles—
16 the people living in darkness
have seen a great light;
on those living in the land of the shadow of death
a light has dawned.”

17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”

If Jesus world is Israel, which tribe were the seven sleepers described in the Qur'an? Are they Jewish?

If YHWH world is Jewish, then why would he make these proclamations?

Jeremiah 32.27
“I am YHWH, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me?

Exodus 20.11
For in six days YHWH made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy

AbuTwins:
Of course i know the drills well! If I'm not mistaken the Catholics call the woman Photini of Samaria and they venerate her as a Martyr!
That's not even the issue!
The issue is the your fact that you claim they became believers!
Did they believed that Jesus will die for their sins?

I believe in Jesus too as the Samaria woman in John 4:19 where she said I can see you are a Prophet!
And when the Samarians mentions Jesus being the savior of the world - the world here means Israel (Matthew 15:24)!

Jesus was not sent to Africa not America!

This guy has no shame. U even added lies to your problem.

How can you see saviour of the world and claim it's saviour of Israel. Is world synonyms for Israel in your dictionary?

Now let me show U that the gospel of Jesus Christ is for the whole world according to Jesus own mouth.

Mat 24.14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Mat 26.

13[i] Truly I tell you, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”

John 3
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

AbuTwins:
God doesn't change!
Even Jesus said he is the same yesterday, today and forever! You are saying he was God then became man then became God again! This is false!

When God became man in old testament, did he change.
When God appeared to Abraham Jacob and Moses in the old testament, did he change?
If he didn't why then do U think he will change in the new testament when he became Man.

If I say I become angry, does that mean I have changed to anger.

John 1
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

That God became man doesnt mean he changed to man. Learn the difference between change and become.

AbuTwins:
Nicene theory!

Are U ok? Jesus as the son of God is clearly spelt out in the gospel.

Matt 16.15
Jesus said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Once Muslims are stuck, they start shouting nicene theory, Nicene theory.

AbuTwins:
He had no authority till God gave him authority! He was dependent on God!

That was Jesus on earth. Jesus in the new testament was given authority because he wasn't physically God. That's why I said Jesus in earth wasn't God physically. The human soul of Jesus was given authority.
The Jesus on earth is the son of God NOT God the son. The Jesus on earth was never part of the trinity.
The Jesus we associate with the trinity is God the son.

AbuTwins:
Where is this definition in the Bible VERBATIM as you stated it here!

John 1
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[b] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Colossians 2

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Even the Jews understood the concept of son of God as someone who posses the same divinity as the Father.
John 4

13 The man who was healed had no idea who it was, for Jesus had slipped away into the crowd that was there.

14 Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.” 15 The man went away and told the Jewish leaders that it was Jesus who had made him well.
16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

AbuTwins:
That's the explanation of the context!

How is Allah calling me out with this verse, make it make sense?

The context of the verse has been given to U via your tafsir.
Its clear they confirmed the son of Allah should be worshipped if he has one.

AbuTwins:
Now I know you don't know the meaning of context!

How can one verse be a mistake?

Can a verse stand in isolation?

U are done here, U just looking for ways to survive.
Your Qur'an has called you out.

22jumpstreet:
A sign that will assure king Ahaz that his kingdom will stand...The oracle was for him.
The woman is about to give birth...it is a delivery that is about to happen as the one is already with child. And before the child is weaned, The two kings will be deserted by their people..


And the woman in question is Isaiah' s wife.. because the child in question belongs to Isaiah...

Talking to a dead wall. All claim no evidence.
Doing your own interpretation not backed by any scriptural evidence.
I quoted bible verses to back my claim U did none


Btw a woman is not the same as a maiden.
A maiden is an unmarried young lady.
A woman is an adult female. She could be married or not.
The verse clearly spoke about maiden. Did U get it now.

If we have r to continue, back your claim with evidence from the verse then we can talk.

Otherwise bye

AbuTwins:
Tell us the context!
A verse does not stand on its own!

Let's know where it's coming from and where it is going!

So what Muhammed is saying is that worshiping Jesus as son of God is NOT a theological fallacy, it's not a doctrinal problem, it's not a divinity error neither is it a monotheistic challenge.

Rather worshipping the son of God is an existential problem. Such person does not exist according to Muhammed.

If he actually exist, there's absolutely nothing wrong worshipping him.

That's what Muhammed is saying.

The question is do U agree with him. Is surah 43.81 a mistake.

AbuTwins:
Tell us the context!
A verse does not stand on its own!

Let's know where it's coming from and where it is going!

Muhammed was telling the Najran Christians that his refusal to worship Jesus is not due to pride or arrogance but because Allah doesn't have son.

He then said if he's certain Allah has a son, he will be the first to worship him even ahead of Christians.

That's the context.

Now did Muhammed make a mistake adding that verse to the Qur'an. Was it a false revelation that couldn't have come from Allah?

22jumpstreet:
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The woman Isaiah was referring to was the prophetess...not a virgin.

Women don't give birth without a mans sperm, it is not possible...

The prophetess is Isaiah's wife, she wasnt mentioned at all in chapter 7, so what are I on about a prophetess?

Virgin birth is the miraculous sign associated with the prophesy.
A maiden will give birth.
A maiden is an unmarried young female. In ancient Israel culture- maidens are virgins. Not to be a virgin could prove fatal for the lady.
A maiden must be a virgin.

So when God said ask me for a sign- he's telling Ahaz to ask for the impossible.
Just like Gideon and Hezekiah asked for the impossible.
The impossible in this case is a virgin will give birth.

AbuTwins:
I can see (But there is no son) in the translations!

Everybody knows your Allah doesn't have a son. I don't know why you bringing it up.


You said even if Allah has a son, U would not worship the son. That's what U said.

So is surah 43.81 an error. Is it a mistake in the Qur'an.

Did Muhammed commit a blunder by putting surah 43.81 in the Qur'an.
[s]
Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “If the Most Compassionate ˹really˺ had offspring, I would be the first worshipper.”[/s]

1Sharon:
He is rude. He think he is a grown man.

So young boys has this attitude.
I thought its only small girls doing adult things that display such annoying behaviour.

1Sharon:
The boy went to her house, where is the rape?

These little boys are not saints. They were sent to destroy. If you see my 12 years neighbour, you go think say na grown man. Very tall, muscular. I know he has disvirgined.

How do U know he has disvirgined.

AbuTwins:
You can't worship him since he still has a father!
You may worship him when his father dies and the son takes over as heir!

So that means this surah in the Qur'an is an error?
U think Muhammed made a mistake including this verse in the Qur'an.
because I thought the Quran is perfect n now this verse is contradicting your statement.

AbuTwins:
Did he preached to the woman?
The woman must have finally accepted Jesus as her God and Savior.

Point of correction.
When Jesus was on this earth, he wasn't God. He never said he was God and didn't claim such in any way.

The correct depiction of Jesus Christ on earth is Lord and Son of God.

He was Lord- had authority over everything, including exercises over the rules and regulations. He was bound by them because he's the author of the Law.

Son of God means he has the full divinity of the Father in him i.e The divinity that makes Father God is the exact divinity that makes him Son of God.

AbuTwins:
Did he preached to the woman?
The woman must have finally accepted Jesus as her God and Savior.

I dont get U.
U claim Jesus only came for Israelites. I showed u where she preached the gospel to the Samaritan woman, and U acting sarcasm.

Are U ok?

As per your question. Yes they did.

John 4

39 Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony, “He told me everything I ever did.” 40 So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. 41 And because of his words many more became believers.

42 They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”


Now now according to the gospel, DO YOU NOW ACCEPT JESUS CAME FOR NON ISRAELITES?

[quote author=22jumpstreet post=129843718]The son was a sign/assurance for Israel to know that the threat of the two kings will not come to pass because God was with them...

Comprende?[/quote

Isaiah son did not fulfil the criteria in that prophesy.

Mahershalalhasbaz mean quick to spoil, speedy to ruin.
The 2nd son had his own prophecy in Isaiah 8.1-3

The Lord said to me, “Take a large scroll and write on it with an ordinary pen: Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz.”[a] 2 So I called in Uriah the priest and Zechariah son of Jeberekiah as reliable witnesses for me. 3 Then I made love to the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. And the Lord said to me, “Name him Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz. 4 For before the boy knows how to say ‘My father’ or ‘My mother,’ the wealth of Damascus and the plunder of Samaria will be carried off by the king of Assyria.”

Mahershalalhasbaz couldn't be the one in Isaiah 7 because he wasn't born from a virgin and his name wasn't God with us.

This is just plain common sense.

drlateef:
The opening phrase is: “as for your WOMEN……”. Is that clear to you now. All those conditions are for women. And of course there are women who have not menstruated for some medical reasons after reaching puberty. Any person that reaches puberty and has not menstruated is not a woman, he is a man. Quran only addresses the people who understand, not dunces like you.

The women is for those who have attained menopause- 50 yrs and above. There's no comma after the women to indicate is covers for everyone in the statement.

As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery. And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them.”

In ancient period, the strict criteria to be called a woman and eligible to be a wife is your period- it's the hallmark of puberty. No man will waster his money on a female whose fertility is in doubt.

drlateef:
No point replying you to be honest. Only a drunkard will say Quran permits marrying babies.

Then explain surah 65.4

As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery. And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them.”

drlateef:
You don’t even know the meaning of what you are a saying. Sunnah is nothing controversial. Allah says a woman should be married, not a baby. So any hadith against the pronouncement of Allah is not part of sunnah. The Muslims who believe in that faulty hadith have themselves to blame. Any Hadith that is against Quran is not acceptable and most likely fake or faulty.

Sunnah has nothing to do with Allah but everything to do with Muhammed.
sunnah are the traditions and practices of prophet Muhammad that constitute a model for Muslims to follow. The sunnah is what all the Muslims of Muhammad's time evidently saw and followed and passed on to the next generations.

Did Allah live on earth for U to follow him.

My friend if U are too ashamed to follow Muhammed, stop pretending to be a Muslim. Be real and join agnosticism or find another religion.

That's the problem with some of u liberalised modern Muslim, U are rewriting your books to fit your modern view of what Islam should look like.

That's how I ask one of u here that 'if truly Allah has a son, should I worship the son?
For more than 2 weeks now he's yet to answer. Yet the answer to my question is right in his Qur'an, but he's too ashamed to admit it.

Instead he kept waffling around the answer answering what I didn't ask him.

drlateef:
You don’t even know the meaning of what you are a saying. Sunnah is nothing controversial. Allah says a woman should be married, not a baby. So any hadith against the pronouncement of Allah is not part of sunnah. The Muslims who believe in that faulty hadith have themselves to blame. Any Hadith that is against Quran is not acceptable and most likely fake or faulty.

Allah says a woman should be married Where, what book has such pronouncement.

Your Koran makes it crystal clear it's ok to marry a child. You can only divorce the person U marry.

And your Qur'an clearly states U can divorce your PREPUBESCENT WIFE

Surah 65- surah on divorce

O Prophet! ˹Instruct the believers:˺ When you ˹intend to˺ divorce women, then divorce them with concern for their waiting period,1 and count it accurately.

4 As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery. And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them.”

I want to believe you've been reading the bible because only the bible said marriage is for a woman.
Your Qur'an never said that.

Or you just applying your cultural ideology to your religion. I know, we Yorubas are very progressive and seriously frown on child marriage.

drlateef:
You are ignorant I say it again. Christians are terribly ignorant. Thats why you follow a human being as your god. Sahih Bukhari was written by humans and they are not infallible. You will never listen because satan blocks your faculty of understanding.

Can U be a Muslim without the sunah. How do U live your life without the sunah?

AbuTwins:
The settings of Jesus still remain the Israelites!
The rich man must be an Israelite.
The Canaanite woman was a Gentile - no preaching!

What about the Samaritan woman and her village where Jesus stayed for days preaching

AbuTwins:
If God get son then you'll still worship God!

The son of God can't be greater than his father!

As a son, are you greater than your father?

U didn't answer my question?
The question is not if I will still worship God.

The question is it right for me to worship the son of God?
If there's actually a son of God, am I right to worship him?
That's my question.

drlateef:
You are ignorant. What is sahih hadith? Was it not a compilation by human beings? The same compilation by the people you said it is personal opinion. They gave references but you refused to follow up.

Are U ok? Am I the one that called the book bukhari sahih or your islamic scholars.
U modern Muslims are so ridiculous, U are quick to throw your hadith under the bus once it's embarrassing. Do you know how to pray if not for the hadiths U denouncing.
Jokers.

Someone gave his opinion, who is he? Is he a biblical scholar? Is he an expert in Jewish tradition? Is he an expert in early church tradition or early Christians writings.
If he's none of the above, why should I believe the junk he posted.

I brought a Muslim source about Aisha. That's what I want, a Christian source confirming your statement.

AbuTwins:
Stop the lies!
The Roman Jesus is not saving any lives!
Christianity is melting away especially in Europe and the west.

Many are embracing Islam and few atheism mostly due to the mysticism of the dubious trinity from the councils from Nicaea!

Salvation is only by the believe in Allah and following the Prophet Muhammad in Islam as he should be followed.
This is the same thing Jesus preached to the children of Israel!

Islam in the west is garbage in garbage out. The same number that enters is the same number that exits every year.

Communism once was the fastest growing political movement in the world until it got bursted.
Christianity in the west was used as a tool of white supremacy and when the religion couldn't be used as such anymore, the church in the west outlived it's usefulness.

Now they will learn the true unbiased detribalised Jesus Christ of the bible.
A revival is coming soon to the west.

drlateef:
That is the narration from human beings. Another set of human beings narrated something else which shows she was 18-20 years old at the time. If you want evidence I will give you.

As for the age of Mary and Joseph, read this NL link:

https://www.nairaland.com/2959215/biblical-mary-true-age-when

I asked u to bring me evidence, U went to being nairaland opinion. Is that evidence?

I brought u sahih hadith. What do U mean it's fake.
Aishah used her own words to say she hand her friends were playing with dolls. What kind of 18 yr old ladies play with dolls. Especially in an culture where playing with dolls is forbidden.

Mary was called a woman by her cousin Elizabeth.


Luke 1.42

Elizabeth gave a glad cry and exclaimed to Mary, “God has blessed you above all women, and your child is blessed.

AbuTwins:
You should tell us what Jesus said, should we look at Matthew or Mark?

Mark 10
26 The disciples were astounded. “Then who in the world can be saved?” they asked.

27 Jesus looked at them intently and said, “Humanly speaking, it is impossible. But not with God. Everything is possible with God.”

28 Then Peter began to speak up. “We’ve given up everything to follow you,” he said.

29 “Yes,” Jesus replied, “and I assure you that everyone who has given up (everything) house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or property, for my sake and for the Gospel, 30 will receive now in return a hundred times as many houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and property—along with persecution. And in the world to come that person will have eternal life. 31 But many who are the greatest now will be least important then, and those who seem least important now will be the greatest then.”

To inherit eternal life, you believe in Jesus and his gospel.

AbuTwins:
You know you were not a Muslim before bringing the verse.
To conclude on this you need to show us the context of that verse!

I brought the contextual meaning and you said it's the Tafsir.
So bring your own contextual meaning now!

Answer my question. I'm looking for a religion to follow and needs clarification.
I don't care about your books because I don't know what's in it.

If indeed Jesus is the son of God, is it right for me to worship him?

Ohyoudidnt:
No I don't believe that Jesus preferably Yeshua or Isa a.s is divine.

He however has a special position amongst mankind and with God

So are U saying U believe Thomas knew Jesus was divine i.e has a divine nature?

AbuTwins:
Your attachment states that Yhw is the name of a place!
Shasu is a nomadic tribe!

Shasu of Yhw!

So what does that mean?

What name did Moses in the Qur'an called his God.
How come 2 prophets of Allah are named after YHWH but Muhammed has no idea who is YHWH.

Muhammad told U Elijah and John the baptists are prophets of Allah.
Elijah means My God is YHWH.

So Allah was busy calling one of his prophets 'My God is YHWH' but forgot to tell Muhammed that he's called YHWH.

YHWH is hidden in your Koran, U just dont know.
The issue is even Muhammed is also ignorant that the name YHWH exist in the Qur'an he delivered.

My question remain why did Muhammed not know the name of God which is YHWH.

AbuTwins:
Give us the context of the verse!

Answer my question. I'm not a Muslim so can't help with how you interpret your Quran.

Just answer my question. If Jesus is indeed the son of God, should he be worshipped.

This is a simple Yes or No question. Use the context of your quran and give me a reply.
Should I worship Jesus if indeed he's the son of God?

22jumpstreet:
Like I said, Immanuel is Isaiah second son...so the woman can't be a virgin..The sign was for king Ahaz, the oracle was for him..
If you continue reading to chapter 8:18 it says "I and the sons the Lord has given me we are for signs and potens for the children..... Isaiah and his 3 sons where the signs..do you understand now?
Learn, unlearn and relearn.

Isaiah 2nd son is mentioned in Isaiah 8.3 and he's not Immanuel.

3 Then I made love to the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. And the Lord said to me, “Name him Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz. 4 For before the boy knows how to say ‘My father’ or ‘My mother,’ the wealth of Damascus and the plunder of Samaria will be carried off by the king of Assyria.”

Immanuel means God is with us...Isaiah has no son who bears such name.
He has 2 sons, the first was mentioned in Isaiah 7.3