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AntiChristian:
Of course i am not blind nor deaf?

Jesus promised the criminal crucified with him paradise without the believe in any blood or holy spirit or trinity or Jesus as God!
Jesus did not tell the rich ruler who came to ask him about eternal life about blood redemption, trinity or accepting Jesus as Lord and savior!
Jesus didn't tell them father forgives sin through the blood of Jesus!

You remember the guy Jesus told "Your sins are forgiven" before healing him? Which blood was involved?

You are a scam!

Now that you've been trapped, next thing is to be running all over the place...
this topic is about what Paul said and what Jesus said . Did Paul teach a different doctrine from Jesus.
Now that I have shown u that Jesus verbally agreed with what Paul taught.
next thing is jumping to trinity, holy ghost, Jesus is God, Jesus is Lord, blood redemption. that's the trick of muslims polemics, once they realise they argument is nonsense they jump to next topic.
My friend stick to your own topic. DID JESUS AGREE WITH PAUL?

Christ laid down the principle of salvation in the gospel which is based on the covenant he brought. repentance and salvation through Christ Jesus with the reward of eternity. simple.

The criminal on the cross acknowledged his sin, confessed it and turn to Jesus for salvation to enter eternity. That's what Christianity is all about.
The criminal had surrendered all to Jesus and has embraced everything that Jesus stood for including his divinity and atonement through his blood.
That there should be prior knowledge of all these b4 coming to christ is willful ignorance on the covenant of grace.

and that's why I've been asking u a question since yesterday but u shamelessly chose not to answer because u know it will expose scam in Islam.

if a man comes to mosque to say the shahada and few minutes later, had an heart attack and died.
will he enter paradise.
This new muslim did no work and didnt obey any commandment. will he still enter paradise just by believing in allah and muhammed.

StillDtruth:
Did english not teach you paraphrase and subject matter? You clearly got the point of mathew 5:18 so now the qiestiom is you said "Christ fulfilled the law by changing it and replacing it.

How did He filfill The Law of Sabbath, marriage, divorce etc.?

and are these examples you gave changes?

Are they not common sense explanatiipn of The operation and reach of The Law?

Mr Man, dont teach me nonsense. bring the verse mat 5.18 here and show me any version that used the word change.
all these ignorant christians. see how u struggling with a muslim here on your own bible.

AntiChristian:
Abolish:
Means to formally put an end to something, such as a system, practice, or institution.
Implies the complete removal or elimination of something.
Often involves getting rid of a specific thing entirely without replacing it with an alternative.

Abolish vs Change
In Nigeria, the 1999 constitution did not abolish the previous constitutions but rather replaced them.

Abolish:
Abolishing a constitution would mean completely doing away with it and having no replacement or succeeding document.
In the case of Nigeria, the 1999 constitution did not abolish the previous constitutions in the sense of completely eliminating them without any replacement.

Change:
The 1999 constitution brought about significant changes to the legal framework in Nigeria by replacing the previous constitutions.
It introduced new provisions, structures, and governance mechanisms, thereby altering the constitutional landscape of the country.

Therefore, it would be more accurate to say that the 1999 constitution in Nigeria replaced the previous constitutions rather than abolishing them.

In the light of this i think Jesus lied he did not come to abolish the law!

na illiteracy dey worry u.

abolish- do away with, end it.
change- replace.

The law didn't start with the mosaic law, there was law and commandment b4 the mosaic law. THE LAW/COMMANDMENT ALWAYS EXISTED RIGHT FROM THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND WILL REMAIN FOREVER.
Jesus did not abolish the law. We still have the law. THE LAW CAN NEVER BE ABOLISHED.
Jesus changed the Law by replacing the mosaic law with something better.
CHRIST REPLACED THE LAW BY FULFILLING THE OLD LAW AND REPLACING IT WITH THE NEW COVENANT AS PROMISED BY GOD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.
It's the mosaic law that's been abolished NOT THE LAW.

AntiChristian:
So he didn't abolish the law before changing it?

Is changing the law not abolishing it?

When the 1999 Constitution was enacted it abolished all previous constitutions!
Were those previous constitutions not changed and adjusted to what we have in 1999?

Good U brought this up

Now the 1999 constitution didn't abolish the constitution. Nigerians still have a Constitution we follow.
What 1999 constitution did was to change our constitution and rendered the previous military edicts obsolete.
1999 CONSTITUTION IS THE NEW CONSTITUTION WE NOW HAVE TO FOLLOW.

In 1999 the constitution was changed but not abolished.

Jesus did the same thing with the Law.
Pls learn the difference btw abolish and change.

AntiChristian:
No he didn't!

No, it is different. The criminal crucified with Jesus didn't believe in any blood! So this is essentially false! And Jesus didn't tell the rich ruler about any blood salvation!



Paul contradicted Jesus in the fact that no blood is needed to forgive sins!
For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive yours. Matthew 6:14-15

So anyone who forgives men's trespasses will be forgiven too!

Are U blind or deaf?
Didn't U read where Jesus said his blood is for forgiveness of sin?

This is my blood which is the new agreement that God makes with his people. This blood is poured out for many to forgive their sins.
Mat 26.28

The Father forgives sin through the blood of Jesus.
Christian asks the Father for forgiveness of sin through atonement by the blood of Jesus.

StillDtruth:
Why are talking rubbish? How you do you fulfill a law eg thou shalt not commit adultery by changing it?

Secondly, before you thought that Jesus wiped out The Commandment until i showed you He Said "keep the Commandments" to the young rich man and now, here you are still bending it again to suit your lies.

For, lo did you not see Christ say to the young rich man he should obey the commandments?

Yes, the young man said he kept it, now looking at Christ's response, did you.not see that He was surprised by that and therefore, He looked to see the man's problem?

Now from Christ's response do you not see that the man's problem is his attachment to the world aka love for his riches? And clearly by his refusa and difgiculty to let go of his riches, does that not show and prove that he loved riches more than God?

And what is the first Commandment?

You are even lying against Christ for He clearly said "I CAME TO CHANGE NOT ONE JOT"! yet you say He changed it.

Be like say English language na big problem for many people.
Quote that Matthew 5.18 exactly as it's in the gospel without adding your own words.

AbuTwins:
I thought Paul was chosen for you guys by Jesus so he can't make mistake!

No be the reason he wrote almost half of the new testament?

Well be happy for once. At least Paul said it's ok eat food offered to idols like the meat in sallah or Ramadan.
Be grateful don't be an ingrate.

If not for Paul no Christian will collect sallah meat from U.

Lekan239:
also wen a team is full of whites, that's racist too right... blacks with misplaced piority

Did U see me complain about a team full of whites.
Pls is like U don't even know what U arguing about.
Just go and look for gutter to clean if U that jobless.

AntiChristian:
But the thread is comparing Jesus vs Paul, you want to start your own thread again here?

Ok didn't know you are slow to grasp rebuttal.

I'm showing U that Paul taught exactly what Jesus teach.
No difference. Paul's teaching didn't contradict Jesus.

Jesus said his blood is required for forgiveness of sins.
Paul said only blood of Jesus can save

Jesus said salvation is by faith. Paul said the same thing.

So where did Paul preach against Jesus.
Go back to Paul's letter and show me where he contradicted Jesus teaching


The problem with Muslims is they have e never read the gospel from cover to cover.
If they do, they will know Paul and Jesus preached the same thing.

That's why I said remove the letters of Paul and the article of Christian faith remain the same.

AntiChristian:
Jesus will speak and Paul will speak on this thread!
Jesus didn't write anything himself!
Na Paul wrote almost half of the New testament!

Again the title of the thread is a comparison of Jesus vs Paul in matters!

Paul didn't write the gospel.
Jesus spoke in the gospel. Let Jesus speak for himself.


You are saved by faith and not work.
Eternal life is a gift U receive for believing in Jesus, it's not by any nonsense works.

All these are confirmed in the GOSPEL NOT WRITTEN BY PAUL.

Answer my question.

If a man says the Shahada in the mosque and next thing fell down and died of heart attack.
Will he make paradise? Remember this new Muslim did no work.

AntiChristian:
This is false. Where did he state it like this?

Obeying the Prophet of God is part of God's commandment. The people of Noah and Moses did obey them hence they were saved from the flood and Pharoah respectively!

So with this Jesus lied that he did not came to abolish the law right?

Changed it from what to what?

Where was "one man" and "one woman" specifically mentioned by Jesus? Jesus never addressed Polygamy but divorce!

So with this Jesus lied that he did not came to abolish the law right?

Who defined murder before for him to change it? Show us the definitions?

So with this Jesus lied that he did not came to abolish the law right?

Where did Jesus explicitly state this?



So in short Jesus lied by saying:
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Matthew 5:17

Your claim is that he did abolished some laws!

Christ didn't abolish any law, instead he CHANGED THE LAW.

CHRISTIANS STILL NEED TO FOLLOW THE LAW BUT NOT THE MOSAIC LAW.

antichristian English is your problem. Go and learn the difference btw change and abolish.

Adakintroy:
It makes sense did you see any black man in argentina squad? Or can you lend me one black argentina player in history. No one called Brasil into the discuss. We are talking Argentina here.

And I never said sports in general are dominated by blacks I said most sport.

Guy it makes no sense because nobody ever said U need blacks to win trophy.
Guy why are U holding into strawman argument.

I repeat, nobody except your delusional self and racist Argentine players think U need black players to win trophy.

U need good players to win trophies simple

No blacks don't dominate sports. That's a lie.
Apart from football, track and field and boxing. Blacks are not well represented in other sports.
Overall, black presence in sports in general is very poor.

Black dominating sports is a myth.

AntiChristian:
So let's agree Paul lied that the gift of God is eternal life?

Paul also contradicted Jesus in Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast!

Eternal life no be gift at all as Jesus told the rich ruler to first and foremost obey the commandments!

Let Jesus speak

Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

Jesus made it clear, U are saved by faith and not work.

Jesus promised eternal life to the man crucified beside him. He did no work at all..not one single work he did yet he entered eternal life.

Luke 23
42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”

43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”


Remove letters of Paul from the bible and the article of Christian faith remain the same.
We follow Jesus not Paul.


Now let me ask U a question

A Man that said the Shahada on his death bed and died few minutes later. He did no work and obeyed no commandment as a Muslim.
Will be make paradise?

AntiChristian:
So was Jesus joking when he said:

For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive yours. Matthew 6:14-15

You need to explain the verse above in relation to what Paul said!

What's my business with what Paul said when Jesus said this...

Jesus said 'This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Matthew 26.28

Let Jesus speak.

Remove the letters of Paul from the bible and the article of Christian faith remain the same.

Nothing can save either in heaven or earth except the blood of Jesus.

AntiChristian:
Check well! No be the other's thread!

My own thread!

Check your mentions your lies were debunked.

Adakintroy:
How long have you been alive is the big question. You don't know all the contact combative/aggressive sport are mostly dominated by black. American football, basket basket ball, boxing, sprints, long and short distance. Mike Tyson, LeBron James, koby, Usain bolt, adesanya, Lenox Lewis. Mohamed Ali. Carl Lewis Ben Johnson and in football Pele.

agility, strength speed, reflex stamina are mostly plays well to the black man. That's not to say the white are not strong. But comparatively the blacks in this regards take. Intelligence may go to the white but cride strength for me is black
.it's why the French team uprising coinside with fusion of more black in the national team. I guess what the argentines are parading, is as white you can pull this off neatly without them. My best interpretation.

Their neighbours Brazil had fusion of both great black and white players who brought glory for the team.
So if that's argentine argument, it makes no sense.
They are just being racist

Not all sports are dominated by blacks. Swimming, gymnastics, volleyball, hockey, tennis, even combats sports like wrestling, karate, weight lifting, taekwondo, judo have poor black representations.

U need to research more into sports my guy.

AntiChristian:
Jesus’s verdict!
And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. Matthew 19:29

Which of you, wishing to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost to see if he has the resources to complete it? In the same way, any one of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be My disciple. Luke 14:28, 33

Paul’s verdict!
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

What’s the cost of eternal life?
Is it by discipleship of Jesus or a gift of God as said by Paul?

To be a disciple you have to work for it.
A gift is free needing no work!

So tell me what Paul meant when he said work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

Phil 2.12
Dear friends, you always followed my instructions when I was with you. And now that I am away, it is even more important. Work hard to show the results of your salvation, obeying God with deep reverence and fear.

Paul is the last person that will tell u salvation and eternal life has no cost.
He knew what he endured for the sake of the gospel
Paul would have loved a prosperous life as a successful Pharisee of he had pursued his legal career but he chose to suffer for Christ.

This is truth from Jesus own mouth. Let Jesus speak.

Jesus said 'This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Matthew 26.28

There's nothing that can save either in heaven or earth except the blood of Jesus.


Sin is building up like a stench on Muslims because they were deceived to think they can work out their way out of sin.

Christ fulfilled the law by changing it and replacing it with the law of grace which is the new covenant.

Jesus told the young rich man if he wants to attain eternal life he has to follow him. It's not enough to obey the commandment.

When Jesus was on earth he changed the law of Sabbath....everyday is Sabbath

He changed the law of divorce...not permitted except in adultery.

He changed the law of marriage union....it's a union btw one man and one woman.

He changed the law of retribution...love those who hate U and pray for those who despise U.

He redefined what murder and adultery is....it's a sin commited from the heart not an action.

Jesus changed the law of food requirements by declaring all food clean. U can eat pork, camel foot or whatever.

Jesus declared the mosaic law obsolete and restored God's original law back to mankind. A law written on the heart and not on stone- the law of grace.

The mosaic law was a temporary law given to Jews because of their hard heartedness. It wasn't meant to be followed forever.

Jesus said 'Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning'.

God himself said in the book of Jeremiah
Jeremiah 31:33
33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it ton their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jesus brought a new covenant that rendered the old one inconsequential. Those still following the old covenant no longer follow God.

This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Mat 26.28


Unfortunately for Muslims, Muhammed never heard of the new covenant or prophet Jeremiah.
He simply told Muslims to continue with the mosaic law thereby derailing his followers the path of truth.

AbuTwins:
Christians that follow Jesus go eat am!

Those following Paul go reject am!

Funny enough Christians following Paul na them go chop sallah meat.

because Paul said it's ok to eat food offered to idols like the sallah festival.

Jesus on the other hand in the book of revelations condemned Christians who are led astray by eating food offered to idols.

Lekan239:
why is it not a problem if we say it as banter here, but it's a problem for whites too say it... I remember during the last worldcup france won, many Africans use it as banter and called all the countries all the parent of French players where from.

When inferred as subject of mockery like 'white Argentina defeat black France'...that's racist.

When a white fan complained that the team is full of blacks ..that's racist.

The video used it as a form of mockery and that's racist.

Guy no one is a child here and stop pretending to be naive. When black is used a subject of positivity we know how it sounds like....

No need for woke mentality here.

Adakintroy:
Everything. It's a white and black thing and it's a pride dignity thing. They have no black in their square yet they won the world cup and the cops. It a pride thing. At a time the whole world has mic themselves up in desperation. Let the black man for once learn to stand alone. Imagine if all blacks in Europe come back hope with knowledge and expertise. There isn't enough bad leaders to keep that wave of improvement down.

I don't understand, who told U a black player is needed to win a tournament.
Many teams won the world cup without a single black player.
What U need to win a tournament are good players.

Guy, stop setting yourself up against arguments that never existed.
Nobody ever said U need a black player to win the world cup.

If Argentines are happy they won the cup without a black player, they are the ones suffering from superiority racist complex.

AntiChristian:
Go and check my 5 threads of yesterday! They are simplified!

I responded, check your mentions

Lekan239:
I don't see any racism in that song na. Is it not wat we Nigerians use too say everytime that the French team is full of blacks

Saying french team is full of blacks is actually a racist comment.
I'm sure U will never open your mouth to say such in Paris or London.

The reason U can make such comments here and not a big deal is because we all blacks.

What exactly is wrong in all french players being black. Are the not french citizens? So why should their skin colour be a topic of interest.

Adakintroy:
Some one need to wake we Africans up. I don't see any racism.

Are they all from Africa yes. Did mpape date a trans yes. Sometime truth hurt that's all I see. Even the legend zidan is still from Africa..what does France want from us.

Back has not reach full consciousness..they are stuck in the white man land because of Walmart and electricity. I bet that was how the white took them away. Promise of a better hope and not by force. It why till this day they won't stop migrating.

Oga U not making sense.
Black consciousness start with black pride.
When china was nothing, they didn't take shit from western nations.
What has Copa America got to do with Africa?

obaidan:
Blaxks can cry unnecessarily at times

If dem born U well, travel to USA and chant anti Semitic song.
Kanye west learnt the hard way.

Islam is feared and respected in the west today because Muslims don't take shit.
Insult the Qur'an or Muhammed and bite the dust.

Yet ode like this one will be making excuse for racism.
Too many black fools having children nowadays.

AntiChristian:
Comot from person's thread!

Are U sick!!!
Is this your thread!!!

AntiChristian:
What's my biz with this? Na me talk am?

No be U talk say wetin Paul preach different from wetin dey gospel.

AntiChristian:
Jesus: vs Paul:
1. Preached the gospel of the kingdom 1. Preached the gospel of the grace of God

The message of grace by Christ.

“God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. ” (John 3:16).

“I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. John 10. 14-15

Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. John 15.13

AntiChristian:
2. Defined the “kingdom of heaven” as Israel’s prophetic earthly kingdom 2. Defined the “kingdom of heaven” as the heavenly position of the body of Christ.

mathew 13.
Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48 When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


mathew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

AntiChristian:
3. Presented Himself as the Messiah and King of the Jews (Israel) 3. Presented Jesus as the risen Lord, Head of the Church, the body of Christ

mat 16.18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

AntiChristian:
4. Preached repentance, water baptism, keeping the Law, forgiving others, and faith in who He was as necessary for salvation 4. Preached faith alone in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ as necessary for salvation

Luke 7
50 And Jesus said to the woman, Your faith hath saved you; go in peace.

AntiChristian:
5. Had Jews as His audience (a couple exceptions) 5. Had Gentiles as his primary audience

mat 24.14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.



antichristian pick a bible and actually read it. you not competent enough to debate a 10 year old on the bible.

[quote author=AntiChristian post=130967997][/quote]Let me ask U a question? Do U Muslims guys ever read the bible.
I mean like sitting down and reading through the gospel, not just picking on some verses here or there.
I ask this questions because some things U people put up are outright embarrassing and if U guys have any shame I will stop being apologetics.
I don't understand how someone will open his mouth and say the kingdom of God Jesus preached is a earthly territory. That shows such a person has never read any of the gospel books.

helinues:
Switzerland are not giving aids yet their citizens are living far better than the Americans.

What exactly is the eye service of world power for when you can't take care of your own citizens

Switzerland is living off the money abandoned by Jews in ww2 and loots from 3rd world countries deposited by despots esp from Africa.

helinues:


This year election in USA is not inspiring at all..Infact USA democracy is a pure bullshit. Whether democrats or republicans, they both placed foreign policies over local policies.

If majority of USA citizens are against the Aids USA have been given to other countries, how many are there congress people that would still pass the bill?

U don't understand the power of those aids and geopolitical influence.
Americans should go and rest. Is it when the whole world gravitate towards china that their eyes will clear.

Let america stop aids and see how Chinese loan to developing countries will increase exponentially.

If anything western aids is still the reason developing nations give listening ears to western nations
Stop it and see how small Burundi gives middle finger to America while dancing in china arms.