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MaxInDHouse:

But that only true God is in Jesus. That's the point.

In Jesus lies the fullness of the godhead deity.
Col 2.9

[quote author=rottennaija post=130859489][/quote]Provide a valid independent source that says the Ukrainian hit their own hospital.
Dont sign post me to Russia propaganda social media post.
That's as how we were hearing Hamas are the ones bombing children hospital with fake evidence all over the internet.

Lovelydaisies:
But phones and university dey bible? What of eating three times a day? Wearing skirt and blouse, trousers, watching TV? Using electronics and inventions etc?

Sorry didn't know I was talking to an id**ot.
Look for someone else to play your idiocy..

rottennaija:
The hospital was hit by Ukraine air defense missile.

Them we can say the same for hospitals in Gaza. They were hit by Hezbollah or Iranian missiles.

Gajagojo:
That is what Americans and their friends tell you
Have you heard Putin's version of the story?
You are not a witness
This story is hearsay

So who hit the hospital? Zelensky or NATO
do we ask ask same questions when Gaza hospitals are hit- do we ask if the missiles are from Iran or Hezbollah.

Problem with hypocrisy it ends up making U look very stupid.

StillDtruth:
So the bible did not say .be holy, flee from fornication, flee from immorality?

We even see Mary and Joseph did not have.sex till after marriage as a very clear example.

My guy we talking of married couples here.
I'm not talking about single boys and girls.
The question is should couples have sex after traditional wedding - the answer is YES.

church wedding is ONLY relevant if the certificate issued by the church is a legal document that will legalise their union as required by the court and state.
Otherwise it's a waste of time.

Lovelydaisies:
Where is it in the Bible to go to university?
Or to use phones?

Bible encourages U to be well informed, seek knowledge and and use our skills for good of mankind.

Exodus 31

Then the Lord said to Moses, 2 “See, I have chosen Bezalel son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, 3 and I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with wisdom, with understanding, with knowledge and with all kinds of skills— 4 to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver and bronze, 5 to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts. 6 Moreover, I have appointed Oholiab son of Ahisamak, of the tribe of Dan, to help him. Also I have given ability to all the skilled workers to make everything I have commanded you:

Luke was a medical doctor, Paul was a lawyer, Luke was a physician, Matthew was a tax collector.
Peter regularly used educated scribes to write his letters and memoirs e.g Mark and Silas.

Lovelydaisies:
Due to lack of money, stress, and abstinence before marriage involved, many Christians won't wait for the wedding or even do it at all.

They'll claim it's not in the Bible, Jesus never officiated one, it was 'imposed' on us, it's our tradition, blah, blah, blah.

Same Christians who did baptism won't celebrate their matrimony o, because it was imposed or the white man's belief or whatever nonsense they tell themselves.

If you are a Christian, observe your wedding: the traditional rites first, then the religious and court wedding, before consummation.

As a proud Catholic, you are not supposed to consummate your wedding before. Wed, then get intimate.

And it doesn't cost much - get your rings, your sponsors, follow your marriage course, do your clearance (if necessary), get your attire (not necessarily white wedding gown), and a priest.

Na you know if you go carry bridal limousine and groom shower.
Entertain people if you can.
Even the wedding Mass is not compulsory.


Abeg make I rest

All above is doctrine and not biblical. That's the point.

MT:
At the bolded, so going to Canada and the US is a breeze ?

Everything is based on what people are hearing about abroad.

Not everybody in USA is smiling and not every naija in UK is crying.
But the average situational report from UK is that of managed expectation.

See him mouth mentioning Canada and America as if na beans.

Reason why people go to uk is because it's the easiest and most convenient western country to enter.
Everybody going to UK know say na struggle but they don't have a choice.
The alternative is to sit your ass back home in naija and continue the struggle here.

So UK Japa is all about choosing where U want to live, struggle and hope for the best in the future. The choice is yours.

American visa is very hard for any category, and once Trump enters...it's going to be harder.
In fact knowing someone living in America nowadays is becoming a mirage.

To migrate to canada, U need close to 30 million naira. How many Nigerians can afford that amount.

Abeg enough with this lie

So people are condemning Jarus for not only beating his wife but coming to public to announce it.

But the problem is Jarus as a Muslim who holds on to his faith 'judiciously' has done nothing wrong beating his wife. He has not commited any crime as a Muslim by using the rod on his wife.
He has only exercise his right as a Muslim husband which is given to him by the Qur'an.

When Jarus was beating his wife, he didn't see anything wrong in it. Qur'an clearly told him to beat his wife as much as he wants whenever they disobey and are proving stubborn.
Why then should he be ashamed of something clearly approved by his prophet.
Why should he cover up something his holy book told him it's not a crime.
Thus, the reason he came online to announce to us that he has finally beaten his wife.

The issue now is not everyone base their lives on such 'holy book', and that's the problem Jarus is facing now.
Unfortunately Jarus designed his wife's face in a city that is not an extension of islamic caliphate and has zero tolerance for domestic violence.

If Jarus had struck his wife in Ilorin, it will simply be another day for a Muslim woman to understand her place in Islam.
She will be dragged to the emirate palace and order to beg Jarus for preventing him from marrying more wives as his heart desire.


I keep saying it, the best place for a Muslim woman to enjoy Islam is in a nation with Judeo-Christian values. Jarus wife will definitely not disagree with me

BigBashiru:
You hv joined the western ppl with their silly defences. Deep down you know its true. If your bikibg group was so social you wont even hv time to post it here. You hv copied an impersonal online pic to depict fun lol. I like ur last sentence. You were at a NIGERIAN party.

My point is westerners are antisocial. All the nice infrastructure means nothing withoit the social culture.

Try and form a nigerian and carribean biking club it will double th fun.

Guy rest. I live abroad and it's not boring. The problem is Nigerians want the typical Lagos social life in Canada or any other western country.
I do barbecue party almost every month during summer and invite friends...and vice versa.
Get out of your comfort zone and do new things, go on staycation for few days or even vacation abroad if U can afford it..U will be surprised how cheap the package can be if U plan ahead.
Check out tourist sites in your locality and try some- Boat trips, water parks, lots of amusement park everywhere, local shows, ventriloquist/muppets, concerts, fiesta, so many. Try new restaurants with your fiancée or family- Italian, Indian, mexican, Asian, Mediterranean, Spanish etc.
If U like clubs, enter night life. There are even afro clubs springing up everywhere.

Everything is not about going to joint and chopping isi ewu or guzzling guilder. Have an open mind, abroad is not boring, it's how U define fun.

Iamblessed85:
If i hear that phrase “secure the children’s future” one more time, i may throw up. I will number my points as i donot have the patience to arrange my paragraphs sequentially.

1. This only becomes a thing when the wife is less successful and have chances of becoming the breadwinner abroad e.g doctors and nurses. The husbands sheepishly throws it all away to start from scratch.

2. There’s no evidence that kids born abroad are more successful.

3. A public university in Nigeria is better than an unknown university abroad. Afterall, it’s our own educational system that empowered the parents to be able to consider japa and land jobs abroad.

4. Kids born abroad are less likely to attend ivy league schools due to the cost. The high paying jobs would be taken by alumnis of ivy league schools and smart immigrants before abroad born kids that attended average unis.

5. The level of civilization abroad would become the baseline for the kids and they would take it for granted. Imagine if Shakespear were to somehow appear in this century. He would marvel at what the world has become. Here we are, we don’t even acknowledge some of the mind blowing inventions we have currently because it’s our baseline. It would be same for kids born abroad.


6. No evidence exists that you can’t get a high flyer job as a Nigerian schooled. For example, an ex PwC in Nigeria can also get a PwC or big 4 job abroad. I know someone who just got a job with Mckinsey in canada and he spend all his years schooling in Nigeria.


7. A dull kid in Nigeria would also be dull abroad. A kid with grace in Nigeria would also operate with same level of grace abroad

8. Japa to secure the future of the kids would place an unfair burden on the children in future. You would definitely hear some parents saying “ After all I sacrificed to bring you here”

9. If you are successfull, there’s high likelihood for your children to be regardless of their location. Afterall, they carry what you carry except you dilute their genes by choosing the wrong woman

Now let's test your logic.
How many Nigerians are playing in NBA? How many wet born abroad and how many grew up in Nigeria.

How many Nigerians are in Hollywood. How many were born abroad and how many wet born here.

How many Nigerians have start up of over 10 million dollars. How many grew up here and how many were born abroad.

Only IT and medicine has created that opportunity whereby immigrants can come in and start earning high paying job automatically.
Other sectors are harder to break for immigrants or entirely closed. Not everybody wants to be doctor or IT expert.

A child who grew up abroad and has his head on his shoulders will be settled b4 he's 30. Has a family, good job, property and investment. This is baseline for every one of them.
This is not dem say but what I've seen and know.

Now how many 30 yrs old can boast of above. The only exception will be Nigerians who left the country early in their 20s, schooled abroad, assimilate into the culture and are actually good.

Sangoamadioha1:
Read my answer again, I don't have time for slow people this morning

All your imported food is GMO. Wheat, rice, sugar, beans are all GMO.

Krismas:
ur idiocy, is honestly beginning to get on my nerves.
i didnt list Richard Carrier as supportive on flavius creating jesus.
carrier debunked ur Bart Ehrman on historical jesus. thats wot i was refering to.
as for Dr Robert price and prof Robert Eishenhem, why will they get on a video, supportive on flavius creating jesus, if they disagree with it?
i shared the video with you, rather than watch it, u start talking backwards. i may stop engaging with you, since u have an unmitigable condescending air. believe wot you like. its no business of mine really. thanks and bye

Hahaha...U gave up.
Quote what they said on the YouTube video and post it here. U are a pathetic liar.
Look at the so called pseudo atheist forming intelligent.
U dont know anything about Richard Carrier or Robert Eishenhem yet U brought them here to validate your false claim.

Bring evidence Robert Eishenhem ever claimed Jesus was invented.

Olodo

Krismas:
the utube video i shared, is based on the book "Creating Christ" by James S. Valliant & Warren Fahy and the speakers in the video include

Dr. Robert Price

Prof. Robert Eisenman

Acharya Sanning / D.M. Murdock

i have already given u one name upfront. Dr. Richard Carrier

and all you have to say is conspiracy theory.

Are U blind, did U read my post at all.
Richard Carrier debunked the flavius invented Jesus nonsense.
The mythicist Richard Carrier has stated that all of Caesar's Messiah alleged parallels can be explained as either coincidences, mistranslations, or references to Old Testament sources or tropes'

Carrier believed Jesus was invented but not by flavius family or any Roman ideology.


Dr Robert price also debunked the flavius Jesus connection nonsense.
In case U missed it, this is what he said

The mythicist Biblical scholar Robert M. Price wrote that Atwill- the author is Caesar's Messiah "gives himself license to indulge in the most outrageous display of parallelomania ever seen."

Prof Robert Eishenhem on the other hand believe in historical Jesus, he just doesn't believe in his divinity or any theology associated with him.

It's like U dont read. U brought 3 scholars here who already said the flavius inventing jesus is nonsense.

As U can see, U are way way out of your depth on this issue.
I asked for evidence. I brought scholars who agreed with me.
What I'm asking for is scholars who disagreed with me. I want scholars who said the jesus- flavius connection is true.

hopefulLandlord:
That's not how the world works though. The rise of morality had little to do with religion and more the need to survive. In order to survive you need numbers as you're more likely to be killed by animals when alone so you form alliances with other humans and create a mini civilization. In order for the civilization to thrive you'd need to try not to do things that would threaten the civilization like murder, theft etc. societies that didn't figure this out fast enough got obliterated while those that did figure it out survived and that's what we came from.

Religion has everything to do with morality.
Now that the west has rejected Christianity and embrace secular liberalism, we can see how fast their society is degenerating and falling apart with spread of homosexuality, only fans girls, toxic feminism, drug use, gender dysphoria, men competing in women sports, suicide, depression and multiple issues.

You cannot separate religion from morality because the former helps with a constant and definite objective morality unlike liberal secularism that keeps changing the goalpost of what is morality up and down.

Lucifyre:
The dude is ignorant and oblivious and i honestly didn't have the energy for his contradictory, all over the place discredited arguments, with youtube sources of all sources😆. Seriously! Its like arguing with a flat earther with hubris, what's the point. Not even a theist but the arguments are so absurd like picking any random bs just to solidify a claim.

His arguments are so stupid that prominent atheists and mythicists denounced it as nonsense.
He's lost in the world of conspiracy junks, that's his problem.
Imagine bringing YouTube video as evidence.

Krismas:
maybe u think am the one who invented the truth about jesus been the creation of flavius?
i mean there are very very very competent scholars who speak favourably of the idea. but all you know, are those who dont. and you think its a big deal cos they are mythicists? many mythicists are trash.
now u meet some scholars who favour the idea that flavius created jesus.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHOK66qj9xc?si=LBpFMZzrsio5gLXA

Bring the name of the scholars here...don't show me a conspiracy junk YouTube video.
Anybody can put nonsense from their brain on YouTube but not anybody can write academic papers.

I gave U names of prominent well renowned scholars in new testament field, U reply by posting a YouTube video. Guy U funny.

My friend, Give me the names of new testament scholars who believe Jesus was invented by flavius family.

I want names not YouTube video

Krismas:
i have read about multiverse briefly and u are mixing things up. the multiverse, is same as parallel reality. u can be in any one of them as all multiverses, stand side by side.
then, the multiverse, is about space-time. outside the multiverse there must be space as well. its own space and then time, its own time. thats all i have been telling you.
what ever exist outside the multiverse, cannot escape space and time of the OUTSIDE MULTIVERSE

U are speaking jargons. U don't know anything about multiverse.
I will ask U this one question and if U give a wrong answer it will be bye
The multiverse consist of what?

Krismas:
two schools of taught on eternal inflation.
1. the universe has been in existence long before the big bang, at which it started to expand and inflate.
2. the universe started with the big bang and started to expand and inflate.
none of these two, suggest that there is no beginning of the universe or that time is eternal.
if time is eternal, how can anyone move from yesterday to today. the past will never come to the present.
your picture is confusing.

You are the one trapped within the concept of time within our universe. Leave our universe and enter multiverse, your understanding of time will expand.

That's why I keep saying go and read about multiverse and time.

Krismas:
ehrman is not a mythicist. then price is not the inventor of the fact that jesus was created by the flavius family. i have not even read caesars messiah.

I never said Robert Price or Erhman invented the pacifist Messiah concept via flavius family.
They read it and called it nonsense. That's my point. These guys are atheist and are far far ahead of U in the field of new testament criticism.
U can't even be allowed to talk where they stand. U are not even allowed to stand where they speak. That's how superior they are to U.
Yet they read the concept of flavius inventing jesus and called it nonsense.

Here's what another atheist bible scholar has to say about flavius family inventing Jesus


The mythicist Richard Carrier has stated that all of Caesar's Messiah alleged parallels can be explained as either coincidences, mistranslations, or references to Old Testament sources or tropes'

Krismas:
go and sit down in one corner. why did u call Ehrman, MY BART EHRMAN? If you want links, i will give u of the many times, Richard Carrier has wiped the floor with Ehrman. Ehrman na mumu. but its those kind of people that appeal to you. while u sit down there, thinking you are making sense

Ok so U denying your god like atheist scholar. The day U quote him or reference him is the day U become a hypocrite.

Here is what another atheist scholar has to say about the nonsense you wrote up there....

The mythicist Biblical scholar Robert M. Price wrote that Atwill- the author is Caesar's Messiah "gives himself license to indulge in the most outrageous display of parallelomania ever seen."

For your information Robert Price doesn't believe Christ exist. Learn what the meaning of mythicist is b4 u reply me.

Krismas:
@ Lucifyre

1. its actually a matter of Yeshua and Jesus. there were probably many yeshuas in the first century who were religious cranks or Judaic cult leaders. but, there is no proof, that any yeshua was crucified for religious disagreement or so. the sources you cited, are equally irrelevant. take Josephus for instance. aside the issue of forgeries leveled against his works, Josephus, is suspect of actually creating the character called Jesus for the roman emperor Titus flavius. Pliny the young, knew nothing about Christianity. he never mentioned Jesus for start. and the little he knew, came from torturing some nuns, who most probably repeated to him gibberishes they had read from the bible. as for Tacitus, he mostly quotes Pliny on many issues bordering on Christians and like all the rest on your list, they are no proof that Jesus actually existed. their sources came from previously existing texts and testimonies.

2. Jesus is not a translation of Yeshua. rather, Jesus is a product of several TRANSLITERATION. where Ye, in Aramaic, sounds like Ie in Greek, which in turn sounds like Je in English. you may find out the rest by yourself, if you are chanced. my point is, this process of transliteration, renders useless the name of yeshua. as, no way on earth, is Yeshua, same as Jesus. for example. using google, the word HELLO in Russian language, is Здравствуйте. transliterating this Russian word to English will give you Zdravstvuyte. which is not only meaningless, but also not in anyway close to HELLO.

3. the gospels, were all writen by the family of Titus flavius. thats why they have no authors, until some fake authors were imposed on them. no way on earth, a group of fishermen, could have written Greek scriptures. Greek is a technical language. speaking Greek, and writing Greek, needs two different skill sets. jesus is an invented personality.

4. i do not care about any gospel of Barnabas or gospel of Mary or any gnostic madness actually. mentioning them, was merely meant to underline the truth of the matter, that Christianity was so confused and diverse in the early centuries as to be entirely fictitious. the Christian movement could not have had a central leader in its formative years, giving the huge differences in the believe and practices of early Christians, before a common front was forged. these point is actually serious. from sex orgies between members as eucharist, to those who believed eucharist most be PARTICULARLY homosexuality. the Gnostics, prove there was no central teaching or leader of these cults of Christianity.
watch this vid, and tell me wot u think.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaEUoNiH3Do?si=8O3kcxa8yzaVBv4U

Your ignorance stinks. I don't have your time today otherwise I for use U wash gutter.

If U want to take on me better start by reading the book Didache and when it was produced.

Meanwhile the junk U wrote up there regarding linking gospel with Emperor flavius has been debunked as nonsense by atheist biblical scholars.

The first person to bring up the idea wrote a book about it called Ceaser's Messiah where he claimed the gospel were written by compromised Jews based on authority form Roman emperor to promote a placid
Messiah.

This is what your Bart Erhman has to say about the nonsense book called Ceaser's Messiah


Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman said "I know sophomores in college who could rip this ... to shreds" and claimed that Atwill had "no training in any relevant field."

So continue to indulge in foolishness that's your business. Just don't infect others with it.

Krismas:
so, how about you educate me about time in the multiverse?
which time, has no beginning?

My friend, Go and read multiverse and eternal inflation.
Also read quantum gravity and beyond.

Stop spitting purulent stuffs here.

U know nothing about what U talking about.

Krismas:
@ SIRTee15
maybe u need to go check up TIME TRAVEL first.

how manage, people travel to year 2035 in movies? what does that tell you?

i am not asking for the year god was created in EARTHS TIME. i can adjust for time, if you tell me wen he first started in GODS TIME.

Ok I guess U have to go back and study concept of time in multiverse.

You are still extrapolating your narrow concept of time to another alternative reality.
Who told U God's time has a beginning?

Wilgrea7:
I've read the Bible.. I'm yet to see any evidence of the god you're describing in there.

I'm not saying your god does not exist.. but so far, I'm yet to see any tangible evidence that suggests it does.

Now different prophets said and wrote the same thing about a deity over a span of thousand years. They all keep talking about a coming messiah that they themselves never saw but knew about him.
The interesting thing is some of them didnt even had a knowledge of previous prophets but they still prophesied same thing about God. no deviation or contradiction.

eventually what they said or wrote was compiled and the similarity in what they wrote and of the coming messiah is the proof they actually heard from God.

Krismas:
multiverse is not even a theory in science yet. it just a postulation. i think i can understand your obsession with multiverse.
and i dont think i need to read up any multiverse to answer your quizzes.
1 time cant be all the same in the multiverse. however there is time in all multiverse. russia has 7time zones. time is not even the same across russia
2. what do u mean by constant factor? is time a constant on earth? constant to wot? i dont know wot u mean.
3. the uniformity of time, is that all multiverse has ti[b]me.
god may exist outside our time. but he exist within his time. everything exist within its own time. everything exist in time.[/b]

Ok since U admit God exist outside our time, then let's forget multiverse.
So God is not bound by our time which has a beginning and an end.
Just like U already know by now that time is perceived differently in multiverse and some may not have time at all.
The idea of using our own definition of time to ask who created God shows lack of depth in what time is.
What U asking for is what time did God exist which makes no sense because U extrapolating our understanding of time to another alternative reality.

Krismas:
ur question makes no sense to me.
u mean if other universe, have the same MLT as ours? (mass, length and time)
how can? we are just a three dimensional universe. there are universes with 12 dimensions
what am telling you, is that all universe, have MLT. while you are claiming no time outside this our universe or so, u are a fraud

Pls go and read about multiverse, then come back and answer my question.

Is time the same in all universe in the multiverse.
Is time a constant factor in all multiverse.
Is the concept of time uniform in the multiverse.

U claim nothing exist outside of time. That's what we discussing here.

If U rejecting God because theists say he exist outside of time, then Mr pseudo intelligensia U need to do more reading.

Krismas:
2000yrs ago my foot. everything about the bible, na scam

FAKE RELIGION

US museum Dead Sea Scroll collection found to be fakes

A collection of supposedly valuable Dead Sea Scroll fragments on display at the Museum of the Bible in Washington DC has been found to be fake.

After six months of analysis, experts released a 200-page report detailing how the fragments were forged - likely made from old shoe leather.
"Each exhibits characteristics that suggest they are deliberate forgeries," the analysts said in a statement.
The scrolls are a set of ancient manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible.
The first of the scrolls were found in caves in Qumran on the western shore of the Dead Sea in 1947. They were reportedly first discovered by a young Bedouin shepherd searching for lost sheep. Their discovery is considered to be among the most significant archaeological finds in history.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51916849

Cure your ignorance.
https://www.imj.org.il/en/wings/shrine-book/dead-sea-scrolls

There are thousands of fake mona Lisa on display all over the world. That doesn't negate the real Mona Lisa exist.

Krismas:
time, is inversely related to speed. the faster you travel, the less the time you spend. time varies here on earth, how much more in space around the earth. not of talk of other worlds or universes. that does not mean there is no time in those other universes

Answer my question all this pseudo intellectual wannabe

Does the multiverse has the same dimension as our universe.