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[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126115070][/quote]There were Jews living outside Judea who had the tanakh when it fell. So u saying the Hebrew tanakh disappeared because jerusalem fell or the Romans took the scroll away doesn't make sense.

Besides, u are yet to say anything about the dead sea Scrolls.

Aristobulus of Alexandria

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126115070][/quote]Ok u finally admit the Romans didn't take away the septuagint. Good.

U asking for scrolls taking away by Romans from the temple. Read about the Severus scrolls.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126113504][/quote]So u have dropped the old testament claim. U now back on new testament.

People wrote about Jesus. Read about Thallus.

Maynman:
Everything you know of the history of codex septaiguit is from a "letter", which has been confirmed as a forgery, you self think na, 72 scholars translated it in exactly 72 days, what a coincidence.
With this papyrus you posted dated to 150BC, you've further discredited the letter

Another coincidence is that this forged "letter" that tells of the history of septaiguit was First quoted by josephus, before him no one did .
Josephus can write Greek..

I can see what mindhacker9009 is saying...

Philo of Alexandria referenced Septuagint
Babylonia Talmud referenced Septuagint
Aristobulus of Alexandria who lived in 2nd century BC referenced Septuagint.
All these people lived b4 josephus.

I wish there's a way we can block dumb nuisance on nairaland.
U are very stoopid. Someone doesn't want to talk to u and u forcing yourself on him.
Are u mentally retarded or something?

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126108631][/quote]This is the oldest fragment of the septuagint bible we have today dated 150 BCE.
200yrs b4 Josephus wrote your invented old testament.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126108223][/quote]The only thing that made sense in your write up is your challenge for a live debate.
If u ready let's do a zoom link.
U avoiding too many questions for this to make sense.

When was the Septuagint compiled. B4 or after Josephus.
What's the oldest manuscript of the Septuagint we have with us today.
Even your friend brought here a fragment of the septuagint bible dated 1bce

That Joseph wrote about Jewish ancient history meant he wrote the old testament?
Most knowledge we have today about Yoruba history was written by Samuel Johnson in his book 'history of the Yoruba'. Does that mean he invented the stories?

So if I write down the history of Nigeria. Does that mean I invented it.

U very dumb.

Maynman:
What's your god's name in the samaritan Torah?
I once told you to look up the relationship between yahweh and jupiter.

Start here, Ιαβε

If u not ready to answer my questions dont quote me.
I'm not ready for a new argument

Maynman:
What's your god's name in the samaritan Torah?
I once told you to look up the relationship between yahweh and jupiter.

Start here, Ιαβε

If u not ready to answer my questions don't quote me.
Not ready for any new argument.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126104204][/quote]Now I have my own questions to ask u.

I ask u again. If Josephus wrote the old testament in the late 1st century. Then who compiled the Septuagint bible. When was it written, who wrote it.

Do u know anything about the samaritan pentateuch, the tanakh? When were they compiled, who wrote them? Did they exist b4 Josephus or after.

Do u know the oldest manuscript of the Septuagint and the Samaritan pentateuch we have with us now?

If Josephus wrote the new testament, then who wrote the Didache in 70 AD. The Didache has contents of the gospel of Mathew. If Josephus wrote the gospels, when was the gospel mentioned in the Didache written.

If Josephus wrote the old testament, then who wrote the dead sea Scrolls scriptures which consists of the torah, book of Isaiah, Samuel, judges, Ezekiel, psalm.
When were the dead sea scrolls scripture written? b4 josephus or after?

Do u know what ancient scriptures the Christian old testament is compiled from. Were they scriptures written b4 josephus or after his existence.

Search for answers to these questions and your eyes will open to the truth.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126104204][/quote]All what u wrote up here is mere conjectures, assumptions, conspiracy claims that cannot be backed with any tangible evidence.

U asking me why it took Josephus donkey years to write the old and new testament. Did I tell u I agree with u that Josephus wrote the bible.

Your question is what we call logical fallacy. Asking me why it took someone to write a book when I never told u he wrote a book in the first place.

You are yet to produce any evidence that Josephus wrote the old and new testament. The only feeble one u brought here regarding names of new testament characters was destroyed instantly.

Look here, there's a difference btw a claim and evidence. You are free to believe whatever fits your delusion but u to produce solid evidence to back your claim b4 it can become a fact.

Your claim Josephus wrote the bible is a mere opinion. Trust me, u can't repeat this nonsense in real life. You would be thoroughly embarrassed. U can only keep parotting behind a screen where u selectively chose what you write and ignore solid counter evidence.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126094656][/quote]Did u just write snaballat is a Jewish name.
That doesn't look right, Sanballat in the bible is a samaritan.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126094656][/quote]Really...
What about
Joseph
Saul
Zechariah
Immanuel
Maryam/Mariam

All these are names seen in both old and new testament.
Dey play, u never ready to defend your junk belief.

Even your Simon is seen in old testament. One of Jacob's son is called Simon.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126093497][/quote]So what's your point then about Josephus calling Jews Simon.
What exactly is your point.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126091490][/quote]So Jews don't bear Simon?

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126091011][/quote]You don't know anything. Instead of u to read and be filled with knowledge.
Your write up is filled with ignorance.

U said Josephus wrote the old testament we have today
When was the Masoretic text written? In what language?

The language Jesus spoke is not spoken by any nation or group anymore.

U are a waste of time. Bye.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126090040][/quote]Is Simon an English name? Yes or No
You said Simon is an English, is that correct?

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126079796][/quote]Simon is not an English name. It's the latinisation of the the original name in hebrew- si'mon
U dont even know the etymology of Jewish name but u claim to follow the religion.
Guy I don't even know why I should continue this conversation with u.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126079796][/quote]Josephus wrote antiques of the Jews in Greek my friend. It was later translated to different languages.

Below is the original Greek text of the book if it makes sense to u.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126078630][/quote]Read archeological evidence of Simon of Peraea that your Philo didnt write about and was invented.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel%27s_Revelation

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126078630][/quote]Ok, Simon of Peraeaa didn't exist though Tacitus wrote about him.
Judas of Gamal didn't exist.
Meneham didn't exist
The zealots also didn't exist.
Theudas and Zadok the Pharisee also didn't exist

Why? because philos didn't write about them. According to this clown, if they exist philos living in Alexandria would have written about them.
U go fear desperate reasoning based on irrational thinking.

Well the readers can deduce who deluded and who's factual.

Btw- philo died 50 AD not 40 AD.

Maynman:

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Life is already going on, I am playing on nairaland, the "real world" is within.

Why are they called sypnotic gospel though lol

So this is new.
U must be jobless to think someone has time to be dragging stale info with u every day
Guy get a life.

Maynman:
I have life, who did you give yours too?
Why should I bring in new evidence, I am not fabricating it.

Sit down and think about this whole jesus Christ charade.

Guy give it a rest. Do other things with your life.
Don't be consumed with nairaland. It's not the real world.

Maynman:
Why are they called "sypnotic gospel"?

They just picked any book and gave it an author.

Guy rest. Don't u have a life outside of nairaland.
It's not like u bring new evidence. Repeating same old stale every time.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126030947][/quote]It's good your brain is being slowly reformated.
When u initially came here u were fixated that Jesus never existed but now u admit he may have existed but not popular.

This is a big step forward. Good u moving towards your healing.

Btw here are my sources...

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126030947][/quote]Now u just waffling, how can a Jew philosopher and historian not write about disruptive events that happened during his lifetime in Judea

Did he write about Simon of Peraea who declared himself king of the Jews after the death of Herod the great in 4 bce. Simon led an army against the Roman legion to defend his kingship claim. Simon burnt down palaces and led his army as far as Jericho.

Philo was very much active that time. Why didn't he write about his events. Even Tacitus wrote about Simon of Peraea.

Did he even write about the samaritan prophet who claimed to be the prophet spoken about by Moses and led a rebellion against Pontus Pilate in 38 AD.
This Samaritan prophet eventually submitted to Simon Agabus who was written about in the book of Acts.

So zealots were unimportant, the 4th philosophy of judaism belief wasn't worth writing about to someone who's a Jewish philosopher. So what exactly was he writing about?

Comparing Augustus Caesar to a prophet whose ministry was mainly small area of Galilee makes no sense. If u want to delude yourself in such comparison, be my guest.

I'm not bringing any link. Do the work yourself. You people are so used to being spoonfed u've lost the ability of critical thinking. That's why u filled with conspiracy junks.

I mentioned names, type the names on Google and read about them from different sources. That's how u learn.

Below is more on Simon of Peraea.

nairalanda1:
LOL...and yeah, we are in the soup because...for years when oil prices were low, we had to take loans to keep the head above water.

Now most of our revenue is going to pay for those loans.

At the end, either we pray we get 30 trillion dolalrs in the federation account by this Firday, or we accept we are broke and cut our coats accroding to our size.

After the reggae comes the blues. When oil prices were high, all of you were enjoying. When oil prices were low, you took loans to keep enjoying. And you think there be no consequences....Awon oil rich country.

30 trillion dollars for wetin

nairalanda1:
Floating naira as much as APC may present it as some miracle drug, was not going to solve our problems

Our main problem is simple. We no earn much.

Since u know the main issue, why then do u support their monetary tightening policy.
Do u know what that mean, it's called SAP.
Middle class will be wiped out and there will be only the rich and poor.
I warned u here multiple times that the removal of subsidy will change nothing. Here are we, 650 per litre and yet we still need to subsidise.
Paper economics don't work for emerging economies. Our structure is different and doesn't fit into their own planned economic system.
In Nigeria, there is more money outside the banking sector than within. U can't control inflation by raising interest rate, u will only make the people poorer.

nairalanda1:
Exactly

But we all want free money so that we can have our cheap imports...so the CBN does practicies that are bad

But no, people will come here and call him IMF man, and start telling us the long stories of how the IMF wrecked this and that economy.

The harsh truth is, we are in the mess we are in because WE rely on ONE SOURCE OF INCOME, whose prices fluctuate, and as a result the income is never guaranteed, and never enough, so we have to take LOANS, AND MORE LOANS.

That's how we enter the IMF trap.



That's a major way we fund subsidy over the decades...see above.

Didn't they push for floating of the naira, how did it pan out?

Praying to the dead is necromancy. It's a big sin in front of God.
God forbid any form of communication, interaction or veneration of the dead, either one way or two ways. It's an abomination in the sight of God.

God banned Israelites from calling upon the dead, but Muslims every day will call upon Muhammed who is dead yet they think their Allah is the God of the bible.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12
There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you.

Why must Muslims call upon a dead Muhammed, something they do everyday. They call upon a dead person when praying and they expect God to answer such prayers.

Muslims should read the books of genesis, exodus, Leviticus, numbers and Deuteronomy.
It would dawn on them they are in the wrong religion.




MUSLIMS SHOULD STOP PRAYING TO A DEAD PERSON, IT'S A SIN.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126017593][/quote]Go and read about the zealots. The movement didn't start in 66 AD.
They emerged from the 4th philosophy sect of 1st century judaism. The other 3 were Pharisee, Sadducees and Essenes.
This Judaism movement was started by Judas of Gamala and Zadok the Pharisee in 6 AD.
Philos was very much around at that time, did he write about the 4th philosophy
One of Jesus disciple was called Simon the zealot.

The idea that Philo doesn't write about political affairs isn't true. He wrote about Pontus Pilate as a Roman governor in Judea area describing him as harsh. Why didnt he write about the zealots.

So Philos wrote about a non Jew Messiah. But didnt write about the Jewish Messiahs.
Did he write about Jewish Messiah figures like Judas of Gamala, Theudas and Menahem.
Did he write about John the baptist, an influential member of the Essene sect who performed ritual baptism and awaited the Messiah figure.
Obviously, he felt their their Messiah was irrelevant to bother about but should have bothered about that of jesus. Why?

It was a pattern where this foreign born Jews elevate a non Jew as Messiah and completely ignore the home Jews.
They did the same for Cyrus the persian, insert his name into the book of Isaiah as the Messiah foretold.

Read below about Messiah figures in early first century and ask yourself why philo didn't write about them.

sonmvayina:
Check this quote from a renowned bible scholar

Bart Erhman believed Jesus exist.
Josephus wrote about Jesus in the 1st century AD.
Even Bart Erhman confirmed Josephus wrote about Jesus
So what are on about.