43Ronin: but the Gospel of Matthew was not written in the 1CE when Jesus walked the earth. In fact Mark was the first gospel to be written and was written between 70-110 CE. you see where the problem is?
How old was Jesus in 1CE, when did Jesus began his ministry, when did he meet Mathew.
Pls do more research, then gather your thoughts properly b4 joining the ring. Sorry I don't do baby atheist. Thanks.
Maynman: It was you that brought in Bart thinking he will support your jargons. I wonder what Bart has to say about papias and father Clement.
Stop lying SIRTee15, Bart doesn't "believe" Jesus existed, he is not a indoctrinated braindead theist like you, Jesus is a common name, Jesus Christ never existed and you don't need to "believe" he did.
Believer, Why do you need to "believe" Jesus existed?
Bart Erhman isn't stupid like u His head is on his shoulder. Unlike u that your head is filled with junks from conspiracy websites. U lost man. U need help.
So show me where didache copied mattew, since Bart is not correct.
I mean do not pin your hope on Bart Erhman to support your stupidity. He's a thinking bible critic unlike u whose head is filled with conspiracy junks.
His works are quite solid and good. If u want to think like him, then u have to believe Jesus existed.
That's what I'm telling u.
Of course u can bring his works here, but I can assure u will likely be disappointed not me.
Didache tells me there were people who called upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ in the first century.
You better don't waste your time on Bart Erhman. He's a thinking bible critic unlike you empty heads here.
He believed Jesus existed and the gospel wrote about him. His own issue with Christianity is the reliability of the manuscripts. Which is a different topic altogether.
Maynman: I have, the book didn't even mention any apostle names, it belongs to one of the jewish sects, so send me a link where you getting your Jargons.
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Jewish sect using a scripture that mentioned the name of Jesus Christ. Jewish sect using a scripture that quoted from the gospel of Mathew 6.9-15 Dey play....the lid is finally coming off. Laslas na Didache go format that your corrupt brain.
Maynman: Meanwhile, look up hemerobaptism, another jewish sects, the word "christian" didn't exist in first century. Keep living in your land of make believe.
So John the Baptist was baptising in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit!!! Wonders shall never end. Didache must knock sense into your head by fire by force.
guysbewise: Here is the work of Philo Judeas Born: 25 BC, Alexandria, Egypt, in the Roman province of Egypt, was a Hellenistic Jewish philosopher who was around during the time of Jesus Christ, during His ministry and after the ministry of Jesus Christ. He did not write about the invented jesus christ. But had this to write instead:
Philo Judeas wrote about Caesar Augustus Rome’s Greatest Emperor, in the eastern roman empire was claimed to being god's anointed one and the son of god.
The account of the birth of Caesar Augustus in Rome also has some similarities to that of the invented jesus christ. So the Jews are correct that the Jewish Messiah has not yet come.
U wondering why philo wrote about Augustus but not Jesus.
Seriously are u comparing Jesus to Augustus in their contemporary times. Like seriously!!!!
Did Philo write about other jewish Messiah claimants in the early first century. Did he write about Judas of gamala Did he write about Theudas the zealot.
These men were popular amongst the Jews, they raised army and fought against the Roman occupation around 1-50 AD to prove their messianic claim. What did your historian Philo write about them?
Philo died in AD 50, so would be very much aware of the riots and rebellion against roman authority that rocked the whole of judea in the early first century AD.
Did he write about the zealots that pioneered the revolution. The zealots were blamed for the first Jewish- roman war. Even the bible mentioned one of Jesus disciple was called Simon the zealot just to show u the impact this movement had at that period.
Did Philo report about the execution of Judas's sons, James and Simon by procurator Tiberius Julius Alexander in about 46 CE. James and Simon were fierce nationalists who caused the people to revolt when Quirinius came to take an account of the estates of the Jews.
Did Philo write about Pontus Pilate and the massacre of the Samaritans led by their Messiah like figure Dositheus in AD 37. Philo was very much alive and active that time, u can't tell me he didn't hear about it because that action led to the removal of Pontus Pilate as governor of judea.
Philo didn't even write about John the Baptist who was more popular than Jesus during his time.
So Philo wrote about Roman figures in Rome but never bothered to write about jews living in Judea Yet some expected him to write about a pacifist whose ministry was restricted to Galilee and never stirred much trouble with Roman authorities.
guysbewise: Here is the work of Philo Judeas Born: 25 BC, Alexandria, Egypt, in the Roman province of Egypt, was a Hellenistic Jewish philosopher who was around during the time of Jesus Christ, during His ministry and after the ministry of Jesus Christ. He did not write about their invented jesus christ. But had this to write instead:
Philo Judeas wrote about Caesar Augustus Rome’s Greatest Emperor, in the eastern roman empire was claimed to being god's anointed one and the son of god.
The account of the birth of Caesar Augustus in Rome also has some similarities to that of the invented jesus christ. So the Jews are correct that the Jewish Messiah has not yet come.
I'm asking u for the earliest copy of the works of any ancient writer or figure. Since u picked on Philo, tell me what is the oldest copy of philo's text that we have with us today. Or do we have any of his original autographs written by him. What is the oldest copy of any text we have today that mentioned Philo.
That's what I'm asking for, not a copy of his works. These copies could be forgery for all we care if we don't have a consistent chain of narration of the works that can be traced back to the original author.
guysbewise: I will start with father Papias,. Why are all his writings lost but later Christians were referencing him?
Father Clement could be any Catholic priest today so you need to give more info so that we can research about him too.
If u want to go to into lost writings u had better start showing me the original writings or earliest works of Plato, Socrates, julius caeser, Aristotle et Al Otherwise u don't have a point.
I'm talking about father Clement, one of the apostolic fathers. Read about him online, I can't be repeating myself up and down.
guysbewise: Earliest writings of the invented jesus christ, started from around ad 95 by the Jewish historian who help the Roman empire to invent jesus christ. None of them saw the invented jesus christ. The stories we heard of Oyenusi was that bullets could not penetrate his body that they had the remove a pot from his belly to remove his power, even my mature teacher told me this in form 4. But careful research now show that such never happened.
116 AD: Tacitus (c. 56-120 AD): Tacitus was a Roman historian who mentioned Jesus in his work "Annals," written around 116 AD. He referred to Jesus in the context of the Roman Emperor Nero's persecution of Christians following the Great Fire of Rome in 64 AD.
112 AD: Pliny the Younger (c. 61-113 AD): Pliny the Younger was a Roman magistrate and writer. In a letter to the Roman Emperor Trajan dated around 112 AD, he mentioned early Christian practices and their worship of Christ. This letter provides insight into the growth of Christianity in the early 2nd century.
So tell me who was father Clement and father Papias.
khalling2008: Take me and let see now, you don't have anything to say than to insult. Christianity is a pagan religion if you doubt me, show me where Christmas was perform in the Bible by Jesus Christ?
Go thru my posts first and see if u have what it takes to enter the ring. I dont have that time to waste. So many empty heads nowadays.
jaephoenix: 1. Trying to take control of one's destiny, does not mean one can actually control such destiny. Even your own dictionary meaning clearly stated destiny is predetermined(irrespective of what you do) 2. About chatgpt, u didn't even know anything about it. You were just blabbing on that thread. 3. So when someone quotes another person word for word, its not verbatim?
Mr Man, the keyword here is dictate. Don't skip it. Were the scribes/prophets writing what God dictated to them verbatim?
jaephoenix: 1. Trying to take control of one's destiny, does not mean one can actually control such destiny. Even your own dictionary meaning clearly stated destiny is predetermined(irrespective of what you do) 2. About chatgpt, u didn't even know anything about it. You were just blabbing on that thread. 3. So when someone quotes another person word for word, its not verbatim?