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Maynman:
Read whay you posted on wikipedia.

Are you jjst arguing

Scholars agree it's genuine and was written by clement. That someone didn't pen his name in a letter doesn't make it fake.

Maynman:
The teachings belongs to a jewish christian sects, what were they called?

Pele u will be ok.
I know u currently researching hard to discredit the book of Didache.

Maynman:
Didache ton apostolon (‘The Teaching of the Apostles’). Later writers altered the title slightly, as ‘The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles’.

Besides Didache destroyed your earlier claim that there were no Christians in the first century.
I dont know if u have retracted the statement.

Maynman:
Didache ton apostolon (‘The Teaching of the Apostles’). Later writers altered the title slightly, as ‘The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles’.

Guy, this book was written in the first century and quoted the book of Matthew.
Yes or No.

Didache was used as a form of scripture by the early Christians in the 1st century. They knew the apostles and those around them.
Forgery would be easily identified and discarded.
That they quoted from the gospel of Mathew proved the gospel was genuine.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=125981948][/quote]Do u understand my question.
I'm asking for extra biblical evidence for Moses.
That's what I'm asking for.
Don't bring up what's in the bible, we know that already.

Maynman:
No it's not.

Then prove it.

Maynman:
Read what you posted, help yourself.

Is the 1st epistle of Clement genuine or not?

Maynman:
And

1st century manuscript quoting from the book of Mathew lend credence to the reliability of the gospel of Mathew. The books were written few years apart.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=125981854][/quote]So what did ifa bring to Yoruba people

Maynman:
😂

This is Didache, first century Christian manuscript quoting extensively from book of Matthew.

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=125981551][/quote]Are u ok, I asked for historical evidence of Moses, what are u giving me?

Answer my question or swerve.

Maynman:
😂

Then I can't help u if u don't accept the evidence I bring.
Anything I bring, u will simply claim it's Pseudepigrapha.

Maynman:
From the link you sent.

Moreover, Papias himself, in the introduction to his books, makes it manifest that he was not himself a hearer and eye-witness of the holy apostles; but he tells us that he received the truths of our religion from those who were acquainted with them [the apostles] in the following

From father Clement another apostolic father

sonmvayina:
So name one person who actually saw him and what he wrote about him ?

In the first person....not reported speach...

So somvayuna, can u give me one historical evidence of Moses. Just one.
Thanks.

Maynman:
😂

Father papias also confirmed the gospel of Mark was the account of Peter the apostle.

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0125.htm

Maynman:
😂

Read the words of father papias. One of the apostolic fathers.
I do hope u know the people called apostolic fathers. They are early church fathers who knew the 12 apostles of Jesus Christ.

sonmvayina:
So name one person who actually saw him and what he wrote about him ?

In the first person....not reported speach...

Matthew and John

motayoayinde:
THIS ONE HAS BEEN LIVING UNDER THE ROCK.
IT'S CLEAR YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEEN COOKING IN ISRAEL LATELY.

YOUR "BRETHRENS IN CHRIST" ARE NOW BEING STONED AND SPAT AT BY JEWS EVERYWHERE IN ISRAEL.

You are a woman so I will be gentle with u.
But know that there are more Jews living outside Israel than within the country.

Read about Messianic Jews and Christian Jews.

Next time understand my statement b4 responding.

SURElee:
He ha no business convincing anybody. His job is to preach while the holy spirit convicts and converts the hearts of people.

The sheep he has been sent to will hear the words and follow while those he isn't sent to will go hear the voice of their shepherd who has been sent to them. Period!

Every flock has a shepherd!

Show me you are Christian who doesn't read her bible without telling me....

James 3:13.
Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom.

Colossians 4:5-6,
Conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity. Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each

1 Peter 2:12.
Conduct yourselves with such honor among the Gentiles that, though they slander you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day He visits us.

1 Peter 3:16,
Yet do this with gentleness and reverence, keeping a clear conscience, so that when you are accused, those who disparage your good conduct in Christ will be put to shame.


Ephesians 5:15
Therefore, pay careful attention to how you conduct your life — live wisely, not unwisely.


It's a pity we have to correct not only Muslims here but also some misguided Christians.

tollyboy5:
For the fact that you say their perception of smoking might be different then you should know modesty is cultural dependent and someone not conforming your own standard of modesty doesn't make the person wrong or a sinner. Thanks.

Stop dodging the question.

FYI smoking cigarettes is not a sin in Christianity but if I see my pastor smoking cigarettes here in Lagos, I would be highly disappointed.
Smoking is not something I want to associate with my pastor because of the bad reputation it has here in naija.

Is Jimi preaching in USA or Nigeria. What's the perception of his style of outward appearance here?
That's what people have been explaining to u since and u just arguing blindly.

Now answer the question,
If u see your imam smoking cigarettes in LAGOS here in naija.
What would be your perception of him.
Knowing fully well smoking isn't haram.

tollyboy5:
Christmas is not celebrated in church. Most christian celebrate Christmas at home. Many churches hold carol night including redeem but its not a yard stick to judge the morals of majority Christians celebrating Christmas.

How does Christmas relates to morals.
Are u alright. We talking of outward appearance and conduct.
what has that got to do with Christmas.

[quote author=tollyboy5 post=125970264][/quote]Good u removed the initial picture of the Pope.
This is America, their perception of smoking may be different.

I'm asking about Lagos.
If u see your imam smoking cigarettes in LAGOS, how would u perceive him.

That's my question.

SURElee:
Must every founder be like Pa Akindayomi? He chose his interpreter to succeed him.

Why didn't you blame Eli and Samuel who handed over to their sons?

Yes, I know you will soon say their sons failed. Yes, they failed because of their stubborn nature to corrections.

Give Jimmy a chance.

Who even made Christians assistant Jesus to judge. Didnt your Bible's say not to judge so you won't be judged?

Even the one picked my Late general overseer has made the church all about family business with wife heading various things and son openly Calling Pastors goats.


Abeg let God be the judge after all he said the judgement will start from his own house. A lot of pastors don't have long hair and tattoos but seep with female members and rape some.
Na God go judge las las.

How come the people who went to spy out the land, didn't judge Rahab?

Paul killed people yet God called him on his way to persecute some more. The God who called a killer to ministry, the God who didn't castigate the Samaritan woman and Mary with her alabaster jar of perfume is in the ministry of reconciling lost to him, he is looking beyond the physical and errors of men.

Same way even then Christians rejected Paul after h got converted is how Christians are rejecting Pastor J today,

Una go dey alright las las.

Same way some of you judged that foreign tattooed lady saving innocent kids of ill-treatment in akwa ibom, yet those judging without tattoos are nothing to write home about the Christianity you profess.

ANYBODY CAN DO THE WORK OF GOD.

DID IT NOT EVEN CROSS YOUR MIND THAT PASTOR TAIWO NOMINATED HIS CHILDREN TO LEAD THE CHURCH AND THE BOT OF THE CHURCH DIDN'T CONTEST IT LIKE WHAT HAPPENED YEARS AGO AFTER IDAHOSA'S DEATH?

Personally I don't have a problem with his outward appearance, moreso I heard he grew up abroad.
But the issue is trying to use the bible to justify his actions. He wasn't even convincing.

He has to do more in spiritual matters to convince lots of people he was actually called by God and not just family inheritance.

tollyboy5:
Even festival like Christmas and most christian doctrine originating from Rome are not even tagged demonic.

It seems we Africans practice christian with too much zealousness compared to the British who brought Christianity down here.

Christmas is a festival. It has little to do with Christianity. Most churches don't celebrate it eg redeem church and deeper life.
And it's not compulsory for a Christian to celebrate Xmas.
It has nothing to do with your Christian life. Easter is even more relevant to us than Christmas.

tollyboy5:
A modestly dress American might look awkward to an African. When the European came to African a modest African man with his dress look awkward to an European.
While you're right that you need to look decent, lets not over flog the issue to make it look like something demonic if people don't conform to a general perceived standard of modesty.

Let me ask u a question. If you see your imam in Lagos smoking cigarettes. How will u perceive him.

tollyboy5:
If you read carefully, You would have seen. I was referring you your own definition of modesty. Someone not conforming to your idea of modesty doesn't mean they're not modest.
And the verses you posted do not in anyway see dreadlocks or earrings as not being modest.

You're just adding personal bread and butter to everything to look like scriptural backup lol.

Mr Man what is the propriety conduct expected for a clergy man on the ministry in a conservative country like Nigeria?
Dreadlocks n ear rings ?
U brought the definition here, not me.

Conduct and proprietary is key for a man entering the ministry. It's beyond ear ring or dreadlocks. It's about how people perceive u.

James 3:13.
Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom.

Colossians 4:5-6,
Conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity. Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each

1 Peter 2:12.
Conduct yourselves with such honor among the Gentiles that, though they slander you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day He visits us.

1 Peter 3:16,
Yet do this with gentleness and reverence, keeping a clear conscience, so that when you are accused, those who disparage your good conduct in Christ will be put to shame.


Ephesians 5:15
Therefore, pay careful attention to how you conduct your life — live wisely, not unwisely.

tollyboy5:
Olodo , They stopped existing because you wiped them out of the face of the earth bah? .

U don't know anything about levantine and middle eastern history.
It's a waste of time talking to u.
Bye.

tollyboy5:
First of all it seems you're confusing modesty with your personal idea of how someone should look.

from oxford
1. the quality or state of being unassuming in the estimation of one's abilities.
"with typical modesty he insisted on sharing the credit with others".

2. the quality of being relatively moderate, limited, or small in amount, rate, or level.
"the modesty of his political aspirations".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/modesty
1 : the quality of not being too proud or confident about yourself or your abilities.
2 : propriety in dress, speech, or conduct.


Your standard of modesty has not been proven to come from through the bible. None of this chapter you quoted condemned dreadlocks or earnings. Or do you need me to explain those bible verse to you again?

You've started again! reading the bible and attributing extra verses from your head to it to you give yourself some virtual examples lol. I read the verses and i don't think you calm down when reading bible, lol.

You not gonna tell me what modest appearance mean in the bible.
It's not until u cover yourself with multiple garments and turn into a masquerade that u are modest.

However u brought here the definition of modesty.

propriety in dress, speech, or conduct.
Now do u know what propriety mean, do u actually understand the meaning of that word...propriety. I'm sure u don't.

Now check the meaning and apply it to the subject of discuss here.

tollyboy5:
You're the ignorant one here. I was talking about Israeli who are Muslims and you're twisting it to look like those practicing Islam in Israel are not native to the land. Since according to your beer parlor analysis anyone practicing Islam in the middle east is Arab so i decided to use Palestine as an example who are also inhabitant of Canaan before the split and now practicing Islam expect you are ignorantly claiming Palestine (philistine) are not natives to that same region.

During the Arab conquest there were mixture between the Israel, Palestine and Arabs and many locals decide to convert to Islam simple. That doesn't mean converting to Islam does not make them Jew or inter marrying with Arab doesn't make them Jew anymore lol. In fact the Israeli should have more dominant DNA over the Arabs that might have settled and mixed with the locals.

Which locals in Palestine are u yarning about. Arabs or Jews?
When did u even start mentioning Palestine on this thread? Haven't u been talking about Israel until I pointed out your ignorance and u suddenly switched to Palestine.

Let me make it simple for u. The Muslims living in present day nation of Israel, are they Jews or Arabs?

The fact that u even mentioned Canaan and philistine in modern day middle east shows u don't know jack about what u talking about.
Both are old ethnic civilisation that stopped existing more than a thousand yrs ago.

Go and study the history of middles and Levant region.
Bye.

Expanse2020:
Alaye no be rubbish na u no read Bible

Acts 21:26-32
26 So Paul went to the Temple the next day with the other men. They had already started the purification ritual, so he publicly announced the date when their vows would end and sacrifices would be offered for each of them. 27 The seven days were almost ended when some Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul in the Temple and roused a mob against him. They grabbed him, 28 yelling, “Men of Israel, help us! This is the man who preaches against our people everywhere and tells everybody to disobey the Jewish laws. He speaks against the Temple—and even defiles this holy place by bringing in Gentiles.” 29 (For earlier that day they had seen him in the city with Trophimus, a Gentile from Ephesus, and they assumed Paul had taken him into the Templ
30 The whole city was rocked by these accusations, and a great riot followed. Paul was grabbed and dragged out of the Temple, and immediately the gates were closed behind him. 31 As they were trying to kill him, word reached the commander of the Roman regiment that all Jerusalem was in an uproar. 32 He immediately called out his soldiers and officers and ran down among the crowd. When the mob saw the commander and the troops coming, they stopped beating Paul.
🤣🤣🤣Bible na wayo

What exactly is your point.
Are u saying those that beat Paul were Jesus followers? Do u mean those that accused Paul were Christians or Jesus disciples? Is that what u saying ?
I need to understand you so that I would know the best way to crush u.

Meanwhile this is what Peter said about Paul's teaching. I do hope u know who is Peter.

2 Peter 3
15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 Paul writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Obviously u among the unstable and ignorant according to Peter.

Expanse2020:
See Your life🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bros please check population of Israel and percentage of religion Islam come second after Judaism with 18.1 and xtianity is just 1.8 (they even meet Jesus and he preached for them oo🤣🤣)

U Muslims have started with your misinformation again. I just busted tollyboy with his lie and u here again with yours.
It's obvious it's a propaganda dished out in your mosques.

Now let me bust your lies...
The Muslims in Israel are not Jews. They are arabs whose ancestors did not relocate or expelled during the Israeli occupation of Palestine in 1948.

Expanse2020:
let me now burst your brain from bible
Isaiah 19 -26 which proof Makkah as a place of worship
Isaiah 19:19-25
19 On that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the centre of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the Lord at its border . 20It will be a sign and a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt; when they cry to the Lord because of oppressors, he will send them a saviour, and will defend and deliver them. 21The Lord will make himself known to the Egyptians; and the Egyptians will know the Lord on that day, and will worship with sacrifice and burnt-offering, and they will make vows to the Lord and perform them. 22The Lord will strike Egypt, striking and healing; they will return to the Lord, and he will listen to their supplications and heal them.

23 On that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria , and the Assyrian will come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians.

24 On that day Israel will be the third with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth , 25whom the Lord of hosts has blessed, saying, ‘Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my heritage.’ note the bolded word here

All this long epistle and u can't show me where the people bowed to the pillar.
Your answer to the pillar lies in v 20.
It will be a sign and witness to the Lord Almighty in the land of Egypt.
So what's exactly is your point here...we talking of bowing to a graven image u talking of symbolic monument. How dem take relate.

Expanse2020:
NOTE
YOU CAN CHECK THE WORLD Assyria with Google it means Asia and Saudi Aria is the place border with Egypt they are divided by the Red Sea. You can check Google for the references

Guy stop the cap bro. Too much lies.
Enough of ignorance here. if u don't know something, study it first b4 forming an opinion.

Assyria means land of Ashur, and Ashur is a god.
Assyria has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia or Mecca.
Assyria is an ancient mesopotamia empire located in modern day Iraq, Syria and turkey. Even during there territorial expansion, they never reached Arabia peninsula.
Take a good look at the map of Assyria below and show me your Mecca.

Expanse2020:
Muslims speak with proof only🤣🤣

Proof indeed. Just lies up and down.

Answer my question, will a jew convert to Islam who was told by God not to bow to a stone now start bowing to the black stone, circle round it and finally kiss the stone.
Is that not paganism.
Check what God told us to do with sacred stone like the one in kabba.
Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and burn their Asherah poles in the fire; cut down the idols of their gods and wipe out their names from those places. deut 12.3[/quote]

tollyboy5:
Explain it with the bible without quoting anything that has to do with Paul .

Luke 6:43-45
For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush. The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil;

1 Peter 3:3-5
Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands,

Proverbs 11:22
Like a gold ring in a pig's snout is a beautiful woman without discretion.

Matthew 7:15
“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.


No Paul's scripture quoted. As u can see Paul isn't the only one that preached modesty.
I can give u more if u want.

We don't follow Paul, we follow Jesus.

U Muslims are the most ignorant apologetics against the Christian faith.
U claim Paul changed the message of jesus but u cant prove it with the scriptures.
I have engaged 2 Muslims here on nairaland on this matter and they both failed woefully.