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Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Explained At Last... by SIRTee15: 9:36pm On Oct 05, 2023

Ohyoudidnt:
Interesting. Is Tenq the police or judge? Are you sure I am a born Muslim? Your question is a whatabout question or isn't it?

If the kabba suddenly appears in Lagos. Will Muslims continue to circumambulate in Mecca on an empty space or they will start doing their annual ritual in Lagos.

Why will Allah bring about such confusion? Certainly a verse in the Quran points at a time when muslims faced a different direction then they were directed to the Kaaba in Mecca.

The guidance of man has been completed and will not change so the Kaaba cannot suddenly appear in Lagos. Are you seeking a rewriting of history or new creation?

So are u claiming Allah doesn't entertain possibilities in his messages and guidance to mankind? Is that your claim?

Ok let me ask u another question, answer this then we go back to the kabba question.

If God truly has a Son, should that Son be worshipped?

Answer this simple question first b4 going back to the one u must answer by fire by force today.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Explained At Last... by SIRTee15: 8:35pm On Oct 05, 2023

Ohyoudidnt:
Replied to the text and somehow missed the weblink. I have watched it now and it is quite humorous. The person in the video too is oblivious of Abraham pbuh praying for the Mecca area.

Q14:35. And (remember) when Abraham said: ‘My Lord, make this city secure and distance me and my children from worshipping the idols
37:37. Our Lord, I have settled some of my offspring in a valley of no vegetation, by Your Sacred House, our Lord, so that they may perform the prayers. So make the hearts of some people incline towards them, and provide them with fruits, that they may be thankful.

Quran 2:126
And ˹remember˺ when Abraham said, “My Lord, make this city ˹of Mecca˺ secure and provide fruits to its people—those among them who believe in Allah and the Last Day.” He answered, “As for those who disbelieve, I will let them enjoy themselves for a little while, then I will condemn them to the torment of the Fire. What an evil destination!

With numerous verses of Quran forbidding and abhorring worshiping others beside Allah and idolatry why would muslims then engage in pagan acts?

I will report u to TenQ.
TenQ, Ohyoudidnt has refused to answer my question
He's just doing whataboutism up and down.

It's a simple question, yet a born Muslim refused to answer. Something a Muslim convert answered easily.

My question remain the same?

If the kabba suddenly appears in Lagos. Will Muslims continue to circumambulate in Mecca on an empty space or they will start doing their annual ritual in Lagos.

This is my question and he's telling me about Abraham establishing kabba. What's my business with that story.

He has refused to allow me expose the theology heresy in Islam.

Ohyoudidnt if u don't know the answer, ask your scholars.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Explained At Last... by SIRTee15: 7:47pm On Oct 05, 2023

Ohyoudidnt:
Praying to and praying for; when you pray to God seeking good health and protection are you praying to or for good health and protection?

God is who you pray to and what you pray for are what you want God to do or enable for you.

Sadly you use a small letter g in as much as your Arabic speaking Christians call the Almighty Allah.

Enough of all these tautology. The koko is communicating indirectly or directly with someone who's dead.
Why should u pray on behalf of someone who's dead. Why should u stand in gap in prayer for a dead person.
How can that prayer help him.

I pray to God to better my life, to improve my life and be rewarded for faithfulness.
How can a dead person benefit from all these things.

Well seems the afterlife in Islam is different from Christianity.
In christianity, after death comes judgement. Nothing more. Prayer to or for is useless.

Anyway, let's skip this. It's inconsequential if the Koran actually says u guys should pray to or for the dead.

Answer my other questions.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Explained At Last... by SIRTee15: 7:23pm On Oct 05, 2023

Ohyoudidnt:
No muslim prays to the dead. Q16 vs 18-21
“And if you would count God's favours, you will not be able to number them; most surely God is Forgiving, Merciful. And God knows what you conceal and what you do openly. And those whom they call on besides God have not created anything while they are themselves created; Dead (are they), not living, and they know not when they shall be raised.”

Prayers are said for the dead. Quran 59:10. Those who came after them prayed: “Our Lord, forgive us, and our fellow believers who preceded us in faith; and leave no bitterness in our hearts towards believers. Our Lord, You are Compassionate and Merciful.

No Muslim pray to the dead. Qur'an 16
Muslims pray for the dead. Qur'an 59
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Which one should we believe now. Is this not a contradiction.
Is that 59.10 not saying Allah should forgive those who are dead? Is that not praying for the dead?

Well, it's not my business. If Allah said it's fine to pray to the dead, by all means go ahead and do it.
It's your god , not mine.

In christianity we don't pray to the dead neither do we pray for the dead.
Thank u for adding more evidence Allah isn't the God of the bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Explained At Last... by SIRTee15: 7:16pm On Oct 05, 2023

Ohyoudidnt:
Kissing the black stone is not veneration of the black stone but an act done by some in following the example of Muhammad s.a.w. A hadith even if though there may be reservations about many reports Umar r.a saying he kissed the stone because he saw the prophet pbuh do it. It is in no way an act to confer or share the majesty of Allah with it.

Does showing care to your wife or children considered an act of worship too translate to equating or sharing the majesty of God?
Or geneculating to others in respect?

Your emphasis on kissing the black stone bemuses me. Of the multitude that perform hajj, how many actually get close enough to the stone to kiss it besides it is not an essential part of hajj.

Do I kiss my wife during worship of God.
Imagine raising my hands to God in prayer and then start kissing my wife. How absurd will that be!!!!
Or prostrating to my parents and then start saying Lord I worship u!!! Does that make sense to u.
FYI, during fasting Christians are expected to abstain from sex with their spouse. It's a time for God and any other pleasure should be suspended.

U have not answered my question.

Why should u venerate/honour/kiss or whatever u do to the the black stone at a time Muslims gather to worship their deity in unity. Why must u choose that time to kiss a stone.
Why should u share such holy and sacred moments with kissing a stone.
That's my question.

Why can't a separate time be allocated for people to come to kiss the stone at their leisure if they so wish.
Why must it be the period meant to worship Allah.

That's my question, if u do t know ask your scholars.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Explained At Last... by SIRTee15: 7:10pm On Oct 05, 2023

Ohyoudidnt:
The location of the Kaaba has always been fixed where it is. Reports talk as far as Adam originality praying there before Abraham and Ismail pbot built it. It is not what man can relocate at will.

Quran 3:95. Say, “God has spoken the truth, so follow the religion of Abraham the Monotheist; he was not a Pagan.”
96. The first house established for mankind is the one at Bekka; blessed, and guidance for all people.
97. In it are evident signs; the Station of Abraham. Whoever enters it attains security. Pilgrimage to the House is a duty to God for all who can make the journey. But as for those who refuse—God is Independent of the worlds.

Mr Man we all know your kabba cannot be moved.
The question is to expose the theology heresy is gathering around a black stone to worship Allah.

I repeat my question.
If the kabba suddenly appears in Lagos. Will Muslims circumambulate in Mecca or will come to Lagos to do their annual ritual.

Answer the question. It's not a hard question. If you confident of your taowheed u should answer it easily.

Did u watch the YouTube link I sent u, the Muslim guy answered it, why is it so difficult for u?

Politics › Re: The Chicago State University Certificate Saga Is A CIA Operation . The Last Card by SIRTee15: 11:25am On Oct 05, 2023

But why are we having this discussion. CSU has said Tinubu graduated from their school.
I don't know how the replacement diploma copy affects Tinubu as president even if it's forgery since he actually graduated from the school.

The forged diploma will be a criminal case and not an eligibility issue. Unfortunately, Tinubu can neither be arrested or prosecuted because the presidency has immunity.

I could be wrong though.....willing to learn.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Explained At Last... by SIRTee15: 1:55am On Oct 05, 2023

Ohyoudidnt:
You are not mandated to kiss the black stone. In hajj particularly this is often difficult with the multitude of people there. The stone is on a part of the kaabah and circumambulate round this is an act of unity seen in moving together in one direction in a circular fashion to symbolize their belief in and worship of the one true God, Allah.

Circling the Kaaba seven times is a symbolic act meant to reflect the idea that life should revolve around thoughtful contemplation of God (Allah). This act is only done at the kaaba and is one of the 5 acts of pilgrimage.

Allah alone is worthy of worship and is the only one every true believer worships.

You fail to understand the theological error with kissing the black stone during the worship of Allah.

Why should Muslims venerate another object at a time they are gathering to honour their supreme deity.

U are sharing that moment meant to worship Allah with another object!!!

U guys visit muhammed's tomb and mosques, but u don't do it during worship of Allah. U do that during your personal time.
But u kiss the black stone during the period u worship Allah. That's the idolatry.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Explained At Last... by SIRTee15: 1:51am On Oct 05, 2023

Ohyoudidnt:
The name of Muhammad pbuh is not invoked rather prayers are made to Allah to bless him and this is not just in the mosque. Prayers are said most for him yet similar are requested for other prophets from Adam to Jesus pbot.

But why should u pray to the dead. How does that help dead in anyway?

Well if it's a doctrine enshrined in Islam to pray for the dead, I guess there's nothing more to say about that.
In christianity, we dont pray for the dead.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Explained At Last... by SIRTee15: 1:45am On Oct 05, 2023

Ohyoudidnt:
You are not mandated to kiss the black stone. In hajj particularly this is often difficult with the multitude of people there. The stone is on a part of the kaabah and circumambulate round this is an act of unity seen in moving together in one direction in a circular fashion to symbolize their belief in and worship of the one true God, Allah.

Circling the Kaaba seven times is a symbolic act meant to reflect the idea that life should revolve around thoughtful contemplation of God (Allah). This act is only done at the kaaba and is one of the 5 acts of pilgrimage.

Allah alone is worthy of worship and is the only one every true believer worships.

Now let me ask u this question
If the kabba translocate to Lagos. Will Muslims continue to circumambulate in Mecca or they will come down to Lagos for the ritual.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Explained At Last... by SIRTee15: 7:23pm On Oct 04, 2023

Ohyoudidnt:
Muslims bow down and prostrate in their prayers to almighty Allah and not to the Ka’bah or to the Black Stone. Worship cannot be devoted to anyone else except to Allah Almighty.

Allah Says that the mosques or places of worship are for Allah, so do not invoke with Allah anyone. [Quran 72:18]

The meaning includes two matters:

- The first is that the mosques are the Houses of Allah Almighty, so do not worship anyone else besides Him.

- The second is that the members of the body upon which one prostrates, such as the feet, the knees, the hands, and the forehead, are also the property of Allah Almighty, so do not prostrate with them to anyone other than Allah.

Now if only Allah should be invoked in the mosques why then do u people invoke the name of Muhammed in your mosque by saying
'Peace be upon you oh Prophet'
Is that not contradictory to what your Koran teaches.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Explained At Last... by SIRTee15: 7:18pm On Oct 04, 2023

Ohyoudidnt:
Muslims bow down and prostrate in their prayers to almighty Allah and not to the Ka’bah or to the Black Stone. Worship cannot be devoted to anyone else except to Allah Almighty.

Allah Says that the mosques or places of worship are for Allah, so do not invoke with Allah anyone. [Quran 72:18]

The meaning includes two matters:

- The first is that the mosques are the Houses of Allah Almighty, so do not worship anyone else besides Him.

- The second is that the members of the body upon which one prostrates, such as the feet, the knees, the hands, and the forehead, are also the property of Allah Almighty, so do not prostrate with them to anyone other than Allah.

Then explain why u people kiss the black stone and circle round it 7 times.
It depicts a form of veneration that goes with worship.

Even modern Muslims converts are not buying it the weak explanation.
U Muslims worship the black stone.

https://youtube.com/shorts/oHpt2-oaKZU?si=SSFNZZUK7F64i8Ks

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:23am On Oct 03, 2023*

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126143608][/quote]Why should I be asking questions about something that never happened.
All your questions are claims, claims, claims. Bring evidence. Produce evidence that the Romans took the scrolls from the temple and kept them out of sight.

Don't ask me questions u can't produce evidence for.

As I said, u hiding behind a screen to make unsubstantiated claims.
If u sure of your claims, let's do a live debate.

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 11:36pm On Oct 01, 2023

Dead sea Scrolls available at the digital museum in Israel.

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 11:35pm On Oct 01, 2023

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126138422][/quote]Stop being dishonest. This is also on the same link.

Take up the challenge, live debate on zoom or Microsoft. Stop whataboutism, that's what u doing here.

Christianity Etc › Re: A 2-year-old Baby Reciting Psalm 23 by SIRTee15: 10:47pm On Oct 01, 2023*

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 8:32pm On Oct 01, 2023

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126134201][/quote]I think we should just end it here.
I will only continue if on a live debate.

I challenge u to a live debate either on zoom or Microsoft. If u sure of your claim, take up the challenge.

There's no point going on here with u, it's a waste of time.
Small wonder most Christians here don't waste their time debating u guys. There's no point.
Take it up on a live where there would be no hiding place for u.

U asked for scrolls taken away from the temple in 70AD by the romans, I gave u the Severus scrolls.

Before that, there existed the dead sea Scrolls which are even 250 yrs older than whatever the Romans took away.

So what exactly are u asking ?

Either take up the challenge of a live debate or we end it.

See my time with u as a great honour and a great investment.
No Christian on nairaland will waste their time with an obstinate fellow like u.

Finally, appreciate this debate, u will be lying if u claim u haven't learnt a lot in this debate and u know it.
At least u will do away with some junks conspiracy claims u ve been ignorantly passing around.
On my own side, I've learnt nothing from u. That's the truth.

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 5:38pm On Oct 01, 2023

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126131370][/quote]Ok let me help u simpleton.

1. Did u search for Severus scrolls. Did u look for it?

2. Aramaic spoken by Jesus is dead. Nobody speaks it any longer. Bring evidence anybody still speaks Galilean Aramaic.

3. Josephus never wrote any old testament. That's the figment of your conspiracy wack theory.
Bring any evidence he wrote one.

4. Josephus didn't write any new testament. The Didache already existed as far back as 70 AD.

5. Makes no sense. Who are the characters Saul in old and new testament. Let's start from there.

Septuagint is not a legend. We have a copy written in 150 BCE with us now.

Now unless u bring evidence to my response which u have failed to do so far, I will not respond to u anymore.

U can continue to wallow in your ignorance, that's your business.

Read up the Severus scroll b4 mentioning me otherwise I won't take to it kindly. You've been warned.

Below is the Septuagint we have written in 150 BCE

Christianity Etc › Re: A 2-year-old Baby Reciting Psalm 23 by SIRTee15: 4:14pm On Oct 01, 2023*

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 4:05pm On Oct 01, 2023

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126124964][/quote]Give up hackermann and acknowledge I'm too good.
U are the next anti bible critic to bite the dust. My condolence.

I think I need to write a book and share my knowledge with fellow Christians.
We need to humiliate all these annoying anti bible bullies constituting nuisance on the internet.

This one is even a moon landing conspiracy theory wack.
Your problem is beyond redemption.

Bye.

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 4:03pm On Oct 01, 2023

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126124964][/quote]Where is your evidence of Vatican covering dead sea scroll. I can't see anything. The link u sent requires subscription and I'm not paying to read nonsense.

What u ve been doing is claim claim claim. No evidence...none.

Claim- The new testament has only Hellenistic Jewish names.
debunked....Joseph Zechariah and Saul names seen in both old and new testament.

Claim- The new testament was written by Josephus in the palace of Roman emperor.
Debunked..... Didache existed as early as 70AD.

Claim- The old testament we have now was written by Josephus in the palace of the Roman emperor.
Debunked... Septuagint existed b4 Josephus was born. The oldest copy we have has been dated 150 yrs b4 Josephus was born.

The old testament we have now is a forgery and not the original.
Debunked....the dead sea scroll written 250 yrs b4 Josephus is very similar to the old testament scriptures we have now.

Claim- The dead sea Scrolls is being suppressed by vatican because they don't want the public to know the truth.
Debunked....The dead sea scrolls is available to the public.

Christianity Etc › Re: A 2-year-old Baby Reciting Psalm 23 by SIRTee15: 8:22am On Oct 01, 2023

Maynman:
.
If your parents were raised right, they won't turn you to a jewish slave. Mention my parents again and see what you are looking for.

I can quote anyone on nairaland, you this worthless thing.

You this inbred slowpoke. Stop mentioning me.
My parents proudly raised me right. I know the difference between a man and a woman.

You lack respect for your parents, so u don't mind seeing them in the mud
U know the right thing to do to prevent them from being insulted.
But u won't because u are obsessed with me n nairaland. .
Retard.

Christianity Etc › Re: A 2-year-old Baby Reciting Psalm 23 by SIRTee15: 1:27am On Oct 01, 2023

Maynman:
A 2 year old girl knows she is not her body, it's we adults that attach ourselves to our body, we have a body just like we have cars and phones , you're not a body or a car.
What are you?

Ps, you also have a name, you are not a name.

It's at this junction I can conclude your parents didn't raise u right.
Stop mentioning me..u this retard.

Christianity Etc › Re: A 2-year-old Baby Reciting Psalm 23 by SIRTee15: 12:44am On Oct 01, 2023

AllenSpencer:
So sad!

Kid has been indoctrinated from a very young age!

She also will grow up to believe a messiah will appear in the sky.

Far better than thinking boy is a girl and girl is a boy

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 12:42am On Oct 01, 2023

Maynman:
Your darling samaritans.

"upon the just treatment of these wicked Jews…supposing we are kin to them, and practised as they do, make us liable to the same accusations, although we be originally Sidonians, as is evident from public records. We therefore beseech thee, our benefactor and Saviour (Antiochus)... to give us no disturbance, nor to lay to our charge what the Jews are accused for, since we are aliens from their nation, and from their customs; but let our temple, which hath no name at all, be named the Temple of Zeus Hellenius”.

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 11:59pm On Sep 30, 2023

Maynman:
The dead sea scrolls belong to which sect?

Learn manners and borrow shame.

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 11:10pm On Sep 30, 2023

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126116659][/quote]Mr mindhacker, stop bringing ancient of days evidence to 2023 debates. Pls do more research.

See my own evidence on dead sea scroll.

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 11:08pm On Sep 30, 2023

Some people are born pest and grew up mannerless.
They just don't have any shame. How someone don't understand he's being ignored is beyond me.

It's either he was badly brought up or lack home training or his guardians did a poor job out of him.

He's been ignored and continued to act as a troll. Even if you were not taught shame in your family, pls learn some now....u are an adult.

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 11:02pm On Sep 30, 2023

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126116659][/quote]Dead sea scroll suppression is a figment of your own imagination and conspiracy nutcracks of like minds.

U are way way behind in knowledge. Relying on 1991 piece of info as evidence.
The book deception has been published and thoroughly debunked.
You should be living in the museum.

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Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 11:01pm On Sep 30, 2023*

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126116659][/quote]Hoe did I got to know that the true Torah according to the dead sea scroll is the Samaritan pentateuch.

The contents of the dead sea.scrolls corroborate with the Samaritan pentateuch and not the tanakh.
Do u get it now?

How did I have access to that information if it was suppressed by vatican. That's my question.

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 10:28pm On Sep 30, 2023

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126116351][/quote]So how did I know that the Samaritan pentateuch is the true Torah if the dead sea scroll is being suppressed?
The information came from the dead sea scroll my friend.

Christianity Etc › Re: ******************************** by SIRTee15: 9:58pm On Sep 30, 2023

[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=126115838][/quote]The biggest discovery of the dead sea scroll is that the Samaritan pentateuch is actually the true Torah not the Hebrew Torah compiled by Ezra.
The holy mountain of the Lord is mount Gerizim.

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