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[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=635889.msg8026302#msg8026302 date=1301590184]Doesn't appear to be true. I checked the IMF website for the 2011 projection. We aren't even 4th in Africa.

Country	Y2011
Ghana	9.947
Liberia	9.502
Republic of Congo	8.74
Ethiopia	8.5
Mozambique	7.548
Nigeria	7.444
Angola	7.084
Democratic Republic of Congo	6.994

So 6th in Sub-Saharan Africa. Hopefully this link for the query still works: http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2010/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2008&ey=2015&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&pr1.x=25&pr1.y=10&c=614%2C666%2C638%2C668%2C616%2C674%2C748%2C676%2C618%2C678%2C622%2C684%2C624%2C688%2C626%2C728%2C628%2C692%2C632%2C694%2C636%2C714%2C634%2C716%2C662%2C722%2C642%2C718%2C643%2C724%2C644%2C199%2C646%2C734%2C648%2C738%2C652%2C742%2C656%2C746%2C654%2C754%2C664%2C698&s=NGDP_RPCH&grp=0&a=

Otherwise you can run a fresh query yourself here: http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2010/02/weodata/weoselgr.aspx[/quote]? ? ?
IMF isn't the only source of information or sole reference point on financial matters you know? Perhaps it would have been a tad more reasonable to ask where the UK government got their figures from, no?

Akainzo:
We should buy 'Made In Nigeria' vehicles, where are they? Peugoet Automobiles Nigeria (PAN) stopped making cars in Nigeria a long time ago and they are into full time importation. So where does he expect them to get the vehicles?

That is a classic assembly plant you pointed us to! All they are doing is assembling Made In China vehicles. I hope you do not the difference between Made In Nigeria and Assembled in Nigeria

Made In Nigeria, Assembled in Nigeria, whatever. It is a good idea.

PapaBrowne:
The country is worse off for the lazy!!!

Good news but let us put things in perspective. It would take a very incredibly incompetent and inept person to lead Nigeria and not see growth. Nigeria has always had potential for growth. The population is there, the human and mineral resources and the market are also there. 8.9% may be impressive to you but it can be so easily bettered with creating an enambling environment for investment through government showing a tougher stance on corruption among many other initiatives. Nigeria having 8.9% growth (GDP that doesn't seem to take population into account I might add) does not mean it would not do better with a new dispensation. It seems a poor pivotal argument to make for Jonathan and PDP. What is Jonathan's stance on corruption and how has it reduced (assuming its not increased) during his short time?

Tokotaya:
Bros, we don't have to be negative all the time. Let us give this a trial and then complain if it fails. Not before.

Voice of reason. Some posts really just irritate. If number wasn't put up people would complain and whine, if it was put up people would still complain and whine. Sometimes one just has to close their eyes and do something in Nigeria despite all the noises you hear because there is bound to be whining.

Why Shekarau? What has Shekarau achieved? Apart from being able to convincingly string English words together, what is so great about Shekarau?

This is a good move, that is if the order has some bite and it can be implemented beyond mere rhetoric. Would be a shame if this is just electioneering, but it is certainly a good idea.

Adyman:
Based on the debates/interview so far, anyone that is still doubting the gulf of intellectual difference between GEJ and Buhari is either mischievous or clueless. Bitterness has overridden the reasoning of many people on this forum.

Buhari lacks mental capacity that is required to rule this nation at this present time. GEJ is not perfect but he is far ahead of Buhari. I don't think Buhari will ever attend any debate again in his life. The man is simply too poor.

Considering the fact that this election seems to be between the tow, I have started aggressive campaign for GEJ. Not that I like him that much but I can't just imagine the clueless Buhari sitting on top of my dear nation again

GEJ all the way. VOTE GEJ.

The opposition shot themselves in the foot and they would have only themselves to blame for missing the opportunity (election is next week). Unfortunately I missed the broadcast and would search avidly for videos of it online.

With regards to the part in bold, I don't really buy that but let us for a second assume such postulations are true. Buhari's main selling point has been his integrity (at least relative integrity compared with others) and that is something Jonathan can't buy. I never saw a huge difference between the three major candidates to be honest, but what put me a little more at ease with Buhari as opposed to Jonathan was his perceived sincerity. Jonathan on the other hand continued to show less of that (in my opinion). He has continued surrounding himself with corrupt elements in his party and to be honest, what 'war against corruption' have we seen since he has been in power? We all say corruption is Nigeria's major malaise, so what is Jonathan's score card on fighting corruption? Do you think Jonathan is bold enough to tackle the problems facing Nigeria? Do you even trust in his sincerity? If you do then fair enough, it is a democracy. But remember that the issue has hardly ever been about who can make promises, but about who can keep and deliver on them.

The saddest part is that Nigerian's have (yet again as has been the case for a long time) allowed themselves to be divided into sections, forgetting that this is not about winning some trivially petty online 'arguement' or being "right" on nairaland, but about the future of a country, our country. Nothing inherently wrong with being a Jonathan supporter, but when one keeps hearing 'you can shout all you want cos he would win anyway' as a retort to genuine questions asked about Jonathan, you begin to wonder whether this people actually stop to think if Jonathan winning would actually be a good thing for Nigeria, or is it all about winning and nothing more? Ten days can be a long time but to be honest if this is a last major image many voters take to the polling booth then the opposition have no one but themselves to blame. Some things are more important than petty pride and at the end of the day what exactly did they prove? Would there be another debate as widely broadcasted and watched like this?

Beaf:
Jonathan is the only one man that can take Nigeria into the modern age. He is doing it in so many ways, from sponsoring the freedom of information (FOI) bill, signing the human rights bill, signing the minimum wage bill, freeing up the political space, sponsoring the petroleum industry bill (PIB) etc etc. There is a lot of vision in the man!

The impact of a digital economy bill would be nothing short of tectonic. We would have structures to facilitate an indegenous gaming industry,  an indegenous software industry, attract the possibility of manufacturing electronic hardware locally, the creation of indegenous idea's on par with facebook and bluetooth etc etc

This is an Earth shaking move by GEJ that will propel the country toward development in ways we cannot yet fathom. Way to go!

The Freedom of Information Bill preceded Jonathan and has not (to the best of my knowledge) even passed through the senate, despite of your so called "sponsoring" from Jonathan. Having a bill called "Youth Digital Economy Bill" is vague and sounds like nothing short of electioneering. Why is this bill being proposed only about a week to elections? What does the "Youth Digital Economy Bill" aim to achieve in concrete terms not vague statements? How are these supposed to be achieved? Anyone can come up with a name like "Space Age Bill", but would mean nothing without clearer and more articulated ideas on what the purpose of such bill is. So do tell, how is the "Youth Digital Economy Bill" 'earth shaking' since you seem to have a better 'understanding' of it than I do? What are the so called "potentials" of the bill?  Disappointment really is an understatement.

efisher:
See as una don turn me to Jega and Ringim! If you are looking for blood to spill, look elsewhere! Meanwhile, we need to confirm the report first. I posted a link to a different story on punch website in my last post. Apart from that, is it not required that each party presents a representative to witness the counting and sign off results?

No need to get hypertensive. Your link is not working

efisher:
This is a more reasonable directive than the initial one. They need their space and the INEC staff are safer that way. If every party has a representative at the polling booth, there should be no fear. All eyes and cameras should keep focus on the ballot even if it is from the distance.

Come on, I assume we all did inter house sports or at least are a bit familiar with track and field. Do you know what 300m is? From 300m what can your phone capture? Absolute nonsense, this guy really is looking for trouble. From 300m they can rig in broad daylight. Let us say 15 - 20m if there has to be a gap, but 300m is just being mischeivous.

By the way I see no link to the article to verify it. It is so easy for anybody to make up news these days. I want to give the IG the benefit of the doubt and not assume he is so stupid

solajacobs:
I AM A CHILD OF MY FATHER AND ARE YOU. SO, WHAT BLUNDER ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
HIS CHILD MAY BE UP TO 18.

. . poor rebuttal. If he actually said that then just accept he made a mistake, it wouldn't take anything from you.

belabela:
This is not a debate! Except anyone wants to fool himself/herself. The organisers know that this is not a debate. It was meant to be a debate but it has turned out to be an interview. Only sycophants would come here to say Mr Sambo is debating. Except he is debating with ghosts.

The organisers should get other willing contestants to come tomorrow, otherwise this would amount to a national disgrace for Mr Jonathan.

God help Nigeria!

And who has said he is debating? The opposition could have sent in candidates to challenge him but they decided not to, their call so I don't get the unecessary complaining. Viewers should keep on posting abeg, I am interested.

jmaine:
Sambo explanation was quite vague about security, telling us they  . .  The PDP will do it's best to safeguard life's and property and won't divulge any security details for the sake of National security . he backed it up by saying the police force are currently undergoing training due to the unexpected trail of terrorism creeping into the country.

We need more educated police men he said .

WORD

Tpharell:
"A debate is a discussion between sides with different views or a contest where two or more speakers present their arguments intent on persuading one another". Last time i checked this is no debate.

It was billed as a debate but it seems other parties pulled out, can you move on now we have got that obvious topic out of the way? The pettiness is unecessary.

lwise:
dnt mind niralanders d guy is really talkin sense,i even like d guy pass gej.he talkd about d effective train system in kaduna and the new one from lag to ilorin n the newly awarded ones.he also talkd about how to better the lifes of pensioners.the guy is good,well composed.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is making some sense, I am vaguely aware of his performance in Kaduna and would really like to hear him to judge for myself.

xremmy:
A candidate spoke in Hausa throughout. Hmmmmmmmm. We are really diverse. It takes more than guts to govern this nation oh. How do you reason with that kind of individual. The last time I checked, lingua franca was still english

Yes, we are diverse, so? I rather he spoke fluently in Hausa and have a translator, than struggle terribly with Engilish. Hausa is also a Nigerian language afterall, isn't it. Besides, the speaking of hausa might just be a political ploy, but no big deal anyway, it is what he is saying I would have expected you to be listening to. Still can't even watch it, shame.

any online links?

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Save the number. 4632

efisher:
@ Sky Blue, We both agree with Fashola, Good. Now for Lamido, I think he is a good idea, why?

1. He has GUTS! He is fearless and will be useful in cutting the excesses of government.
2. We need someone who is business minded. Someone who can build the economy. He knows where it hurts and he can shape a lot of things if he has executive power.
3. He is very disciplined in his own personal dealings.
4. Many Nigerians already believe in him. He can restore hope in government if he is there.
5. He is easily accepted across the country. He can easily serve as a unifying element. He doesnt seem to arouse much tribal / religious sentiments.

I stand by my previous post. Running Nigeria and running CBN are two different things. Give him minister of finance or something where he can make a difference (which could include leaving him in CBN or something which puts him at the helms of the economy - not Nigeria). Fashola has a track record of getting things done. Running the economy and getting thingd done and solid results are two different things.

Donald Duke on the other hand would make a very good VP to Fashola or Fashola a good VP to Duke, whichever way.

Fashola yes, Lamido no. It is a square peg in a round hole, give him minister of finance or something where he can actually be used to the best of his ability. This is like the whole Dora as Information Minister again. Running CBN and running Nigeria are not the same thing.

This was disappointing. You may laugh but out of all of them Dele was the most convincing for me, although I don't believe he takes his candidacy serious.

If Ribadu is willing to shut up and allow his vice president to do a lot of the work (like Buhari did with his Vice in the 80s) then that would be an appealing candidacy. Unfortunately such seems at ends with his character.

Buhari seems sincere but Bakare seems too much like Ribadu personofied, loud and vague, and Buhari doesn't seem clued in enough by his own on how to solve the nations problems, he just wants to be president. (Buhari and Adeola would have been gold)

Jonathan seems too much of more of the same. His Vice has never really been tested (although his stint in Kaduna was above average). For someone who surrounds himself with the peeople he does though, I don't see how another four years would be drastically different from the last year.

Shekarau has not really performed in Kano and on closer inspection his points though eloquently posited, appear vague and even fall apart in the light of tighter scrutiny.

We are in trouble o.

Kano is the freeest state? Na lie.

That bell ringer must have smoked something funny, what is wrong with him? You are ringing debate bell not town crier gong. gosh. lol

Ribadu how are you a member of the diaspora? LOL. I really like her.

LOL. "They would go to the embassy with their passport". Doesn't have to be that complicated. I like her. Shekarau rambled after that obvious point was made.

I really just feel sorry for Nigeria. I can't believe these (including absent Jonathan and Buhari) are our options. Dele even seems the strongest candidate in the debate.

Ribadu going off point again,. . . .

efisher:
try here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ribadu-adeola-2011

This has been very stable. No cuts since I started watching. the video is not too clear but audio is 100%

thanks. video is rubbish but at least I can hear.

yikes. I have lost signal.

Gbawe:
I think Ribadu was talking short term . Ribadu stated that we have installed capacity of 7000 MW yet generate half of that . Why not bring the other half on board as a short term measure that negates the need for tarriffs to increase ? Production can be increased optimally in the short term by working more efficiently that was why he spoke about turbines , already paid for and thus not affecting tarriffs, which are rotting at our ports . We can get these and other redundant IPP's , already paid for , adding to current capacity with more efforts. Even with privatisation we will have a regulatory body that will investigate fairness of tarriffs . Tarriffs can be scaled up in the future when constant electricity has begun to lead to greater employment, income and productivity. Ribadu is saying that tarriffs cannot go up for now and I agree because poverty is endemic and current installed capacity is not being used optimally.

And poverty won't be as endemic when we start asking for private investors? I thought the whole idea of privatisation was we do it now, which Ribadu seems to suggest also, so how does that reconcile with what you have just said? I would rather you don't add jara to what Ribadu said though. He is on the podium, was asked the question, spoke beyond time, and did not make it very clear all the extras you are adding now.

Ribadu, saying "the money is there" does not make it appear. We don't have unlimited funds. How can you say 'use resources judiciously', then now say 'the money is there'? Isn't that a tad oxymoronic?

Idea of raising money from the oil industry and using it to invest in the private sector does make sense, and is one that the Petroleum Industry Bill will help adress.

semid4lyfe:
Momodu wan turn Naija into family business. . .yeye man  ;

Talking about a star studded cabinet nonsense. . . .

Using soccer analogy. . . .Real madrid na star studded team but wetin dem don achieve in the past few years

oshi oda. . . . .

I have no problem with Dele's brother and even whole extended family having ministerial appointments as long as they perform.

Gbawe:
He said yes and clarified that Tarriffs would not be raised if money already approved is used judiciously . He cited the 10 billion invested in the NIPP . Turbines where purchased without logistic investigations as to how the turbines will be transported to its destination. If substantial upgrading is to be done it makes sense for tarriffs to go up but if current budgetary allocations to power , such as the multi-billion dollars power contracts approved by FEC recently , are used judiciously then , in the short term , there is no justification for tarriffs going up.

Then why all the talk of privatisation? How can investors be attracted to get involved in the power sector with such low tarriffs??