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fstranger3:
Ribadu is short on details

Very superficial.

How much power can we get from coal.

Lets go nuclear guys! Gosh!

Asked whether we can get consistent power supply without raising tarriffs he said yes so dismissively. Honestly, he is lacking on substance and can't seem to even keep to time like the others because he tends to ramble a bit. I can't believe Buhari missed this debate.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=631558.msg7986751#msg7986751 date=1301083120]Thou shalt not touch Eastern coal! [/quote]But thou shalt touch Niger Delta oil? Please let us not let this thread go down that route, All Nigerians suffer this power crisis and all will benefit when it is solved.

naijangel7:
Really wondering why Shekarau wasn't on a par with Fashola, Amaechi and Sullivan among outstanding governors, with all these ideas  

Exactly.Unfortunately I think if he gets into power he will underperform. His idea fro solving the power problem is more planning? This power problem is not new for crying out loud. Can't people come to the table with some idea of a plan beforehand?

Dele is going a bit off point. Wind power?

fstranger3:
Tell me, which of the debates against Hillary did he win?

Hillary won all the debates he had with Obama, truth be told.

Hillary had more experience than him. And, yes, Obama was not as eloquent as Hillary, but for a black man, compared with Mosley brown, Sharpton, Jackson, MLK et al, he was God!

First you say Obama one strictly because of eloquence now you say Hillary was more eloquent? Apologies but I don't want to be sidetracked, let us return to this debate.

aisha2:
A debate is abut flooring your opponents, Nuhu is doing nothing wrong

It goes way beyond that, it is about convincing people that you are right, and Ribadu isn't necessary doing that. Shooting down opposition does not highlight your incompetence. What are the specifics of your plans?

fstranger3:
And yes Obama won strictly on eloquence.

He was often lampooned by Hilary for lacking in substance!

Well I disagree with you on that. It wasn't strictly eloquence because Hilary was eloquent too, they could all string words together. He articulated a vision that went beyond politics (or seemed to anyway).

fstranger3:
Ribadu's diction is typical Hausa, very bad!

I have no problems at all with his diction, I am hearing what he is saying just fine. His tendency to be a tad vague is the issue I have with him.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=631558.msg7986652#msg7986652 date=1301082258]Obama won the presidency on eloquence didn't he?[/quote]And hence that makes it right? From what I saw of the Obama campaign it was not just eloquence, but actually having a vision. Just because it happened in America doesn;t make it the ideal by the way. Are we saying eloquence is better than competence, or what exactly is your point?

Solid point by Ribadu. What has the result been in Kano under Shekarau? It goes beyond eloquence. What is his record?

Ribadu is doing it again. He seems to have memorised answers and bends rather specific questions to fit his own answers, regardless of what the question sought to attain. Failure rate, is it all about funding?

I know this might sound silly, but the youth might want to consider selecting their voting choice from here. If Jonathan missed this debate to go to koko-whatever then perhaps he doesn't deserve the youth vote (although some might want to argue that koko party is "youth" oriented). I can't wait to see what his excuse is tomorrow. What is Buhari's excuse?

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know whether this is showing on NTA or local stations, or is it just online?

Are any candidates turning up or not? Why the stalling?

On a side note, the youth as arguably the largest voting demographic in the country should really start using their votes to punish leaders that choose to ignore them. It is a shame that such a possibly vibrant block can seem quite indifferent to politics

The sound is fine for me, use the youtube channel

www.youtube.com/channelsweb

Jen33:
Mainland China locomotive

https://www.treehugger.com/China-Mainline-Locomotive-GE-clean-diesel-train.jpg

USA locomotive

https://www.toytrains1.com/images/trains/amtk_274.jpg


Indian locomotives!

https://images.imagestate.com/Watermark/2111359.jpg

?? Did you just go on google and pull out the first pics you saw? That last "locomotive" is obviously from an amusement park of something of the sort.

dejumotalks posted

@alanbolo , you are wrong!!!
there mite be 650k registered members on nairaland, but [b]over 20million viewers and readers [/b]who are influenced by our post.

this ppl are better enlightened by this platform.

Incumbent should go debate himself since he disregarded a much more genuine and fair debate.

Abegi let us hia word. 20million what kind of wild claim is that? How did you do the maths? What is the most views you have seen for any thread? How many threads exceed 100 thousand views (a lot of which tend to be repeated views from the same people posting in such threads)? Also let us not forget that whether you are a member or not, when you open a thread you add to the view count. And with your aleged 20million passive viewers we still haven't seen many threads pass one million views? How many of those 650k registered ids are multiple ids and how many are still active sef? I believe we have more passive readers than active posters but no need to make such wild claims here. Why am I picking up on this issue? Because nairaland is not Nigeria. We are told that a much larger percentage of Nigerians live in the rural areas than urban ones. How many of them have access to internet compared with how many of them can watch NTA? Parties like PDP (regardless of whether you hate them or not) have better structures on the ground to better reach the rural population than urban ones. The opposition can't keep making the same mistakes and crying foul when they loose. Every opportunity is important. Urban votes won't win you the election, I mean, didn't anybody observe what happened in the Delta State rerun election? What percentage of active nairaland posters are even registered to vote? Opposition candidates would keep ignoring rural (non internet users) at their own risk and keep wondering why they loose. Volunteers for opposition candidates should have turned more focus on the thousands of villages scattered across the country. The world does not start and end with nairaland.

jmaine:
Noble all your points were on track except the emboldened as it was evident that most people mind are already made up and  won't hesitate to defend the shambolic performance of their preferred candidates just to keep a straight face on the land and avoid scorn . . we all know GEJ goofed for missing the first debate but pro Buhari and Ribadu nairalanders went about debating and defending worthless utterances their dream boss spewed in a futile attempt to make us see the non existent.

9ijaman impressed me by not joining that bandwagon defense team.  No allow your head swell guy  .

Debate or no debate people votes have already being cast, it just matter of time for them to walk to the polling booth to act it out. Don't kill yourself over this little politicking going on.

Do you know that probably most of the people who view nairaland are not registered? I believe it is the same with the elections. You have a lot of noise and propaganda, but most of that comes from a comparatively small percentage of the voting populace. People want Nigeria to be better and people's minds can still be changed. Most of them are not part of the noise makers, they simply observe passively, waiting to be swayed, and they have the power (their vote and their voice).

9ijaMan:
Guys, this is a succinct line I copied from a post on FB.

"Their excuse for not showing up for the debates is laughable to say the least. Claiming the debate wont be watched by the masses because its not on NTA?? go out on the streets and ask any pure water seller, any danfo driver, any okada rider, any member of the president's cabinet, his aides, even he himself, ask them what football club they support, then ask them if they watch these football clubs on NTA every weekend"

I couldn't help but laugh when I read the comment.

That is because they are more interested in football so would make the extra effort to watch it, so the analogy is a tad weak. Many people keenly interested in the elections sought out NN24 streams online to watch the debate between Buhari, Ribadu and Sheakrau, however, not everybody (dare I say even the majority of registered voters) follow the election that keenly. People watch NTA passively to pick up news or whatever, and it is the not so keen people who can still be swayed and whose interest for the election can be prepped that would be the missed opportunity to reach, but whatever. I don't even know why I am crying more than the bereaved. Let the candidates do whatever they want, it is there campaign.

Eziachi:
Can you people listen to yourselves. Until this statement was released today by the other candidates, did you know before that Jonathan signed up to the NN24 DEBATE? Yes or no

This sudden concern of how many people will see the debate or will not see it on NN24, when DID this that surfaced, before or after signing up to the debate?

Can you imagine today, Jonathan has the same concern for the masses in other areas of life like refusing to travel abroad for medical treatment because he realised that millions of Nigerians will not have access to same kind of medical care, just he was concerned that not many of them has NN24 to watch.

He really care about peoples choice of TV watching.  Why didn'y he also worry that not all those that have a TV has access to electricity or electric generator plant?
Next he will suggest that they postpone the debate until every single person has electricity power to watch his NTA.

I don't know what the "you people" is supposed to mean but please move on if this is going to go down that route.

babasoty:
That's the reason why the opposition should go out there and floor him completely not back out and give this lame excuse,

I completely agree. This is an opportunity to do just that and even appeal to unreached people. I would be silly to waste the chance because of pride or whatever. This is about winning an election or at least making a good attempt at it.

9ijaMan:
You've made your point. However what you fail to understand is that those Nigerians who will really be interested in the so called debate have already had their minds made for them after the first debate. If this debate were to have been the first one, then the issues you raise would be very valid. As a matter of fact, these 3 candidates have a lot more to gain by boy-cutting this D'Banj Kokolete styled debate when compared to making themselves available.

Your assertion that this debate would probably be the most widely aired debate is certainly not valid as well, at least the absence of these 3 candidates will surely take the shine out of such a debate. Millions of Nigerians saw the NN24 debate live. I saw it on the web even though I'm almost 8000km away from 9ja, and the same applies to many more at home and abroad. The debate is still available to date online and anyone who cares to listen to any of the candidates still has the opportunity to see them air their views on how to go about solving some of the problems plaguing our national development.

I personally would have been more disappointed in these candidates if they didn't come out to jointly make the announcement. What you failed to understand is that GEJ refused to attend the NN24 debate even after he fixed the date to suit his plans. I guess we should all await BON to come out to inform us that all the candidates agreed to attend this second debate.

I disagree. I doubt as many of the voting populace would have gone online to see the NN24 debate as many people I know didn't. I even had to scour the web to look for replays of the thing. This would be aired on NTA (we are made to believe), not some cable channel. This is a chance to reach many new people.

Ujujoan:
For someone to say that the trio are scared of the clueless GEJ is just plain silly!

I suppose the fact that someone is a President is enough for his to walk about doing as he pleases. Well let him go and debate with himself. I'm sure Umblerra will be relieved!  

And are you going to win the elections for the opposition. Gosh! Honestly, we are our own worst enemies.

Eziachi:
I think you are wrong, if they agreed to go ahead with this debate it will set a standard for the future. That the incumbent, either president or governor not only will choose the organiser but will also choose his preffered broadcasting media organisation and even the questions to be asked and who will ask it and with what tone of voice?

They had to stand up and say:  In this election, all candidateS on the ballot PAPER are equal and deserved to be treated equally too. Election debate is not a job of one single body.  Anybody or group can organise a debate if any candidate wishes to participate. Jonathan has the right to choose which debate he wants to attend or refused.

But not only that he suggested and agreed but he signed up to the 18th march debate, only for him to stood up the other candidates and went ahead and does his own thing. Forget about politics, everyone has his pride and deserves some courtesy. What he did according to this statement issued is his lack of respect and decorum for his fellow men irrespective of the politics and that is no class.

I beg to disagree. It would take more than this occurence to set a standard and such is a weak argument. In most instances what will allow the president to continue flagrant abuse of power is a docile populace. This is about winning an election which the opposition doesn't seem prepared to accomplish. This is not a boyfriend girlfriend quarrel, it is an election. You can claim that Jonathan abused power and you will get no disgreements from me. Ok, he abused power, what next? We are approaching the end of March. Elections are in April! And the opposition is going to boycott what would probably be the most widely aired debate visible to a larger section of the boting public because they want to make a point? What point? That they can't deal with Jonathan in a debate because he might know the questions before hand? Are they that dumb? Is it so difficult to take on Jonathan even with possible expo? Sure we can all cry unfair, but they would be doing themselves more damage by staying away. I for one have heard more than enough banter from the "opposition" about how they can be better. Time to put theory into practise or spare us please. To do that, you have to win an election, to do that, you have to convince people registered to vote to vote for you.

It is sad and desperately pathetic enough that in a country with so much human capital we are still left with the major choice of selecting between an ex military dictator who appears sincere but seems a tad clueless, the loud mouth ex EFCC chairman whose major selling point during debate was that he is "young" and has had to recant on a lot of corruption allegations he made during his ineefective tenure, and of course the PHD holder who appears anything but, shackled to a corrupt party and surrounded by corrupt individuals. I really wish ACN had fielded Adeola and Buhari had fielded a different VP. This election is messed up enough as it is, let us not make it worse by making it so easy for PDP to sweep it up.

I can't believe the opposition is even considering this, who on earth is advising them? The presidency has acted disingeniously with regards to the whole debate issue, agreed. However, this debate is probably going to be seen by a larger section of the voting populace than the ones before. Jonathan pulling out at the last minute from the previous debates only cast him in bad light, it would be fool hardy to come this far in gaining ground and then allow pride or something as comparatively trivial as 'making a point' become the stumbling block. Are these people ready to be in government at all? I hope this is not true and hope they show up because this is a good opportunity to sell themselves and highlight to the voting populace that Jonathan didn't turn up for previous debates or whatever. If they go on with this and loose then we better not start hearing any nonsense about rigged election cries or whatever. Some maturity is required here. Votes from people in Nigeria, and not votes from people making noise from abroad is what will win you the elections. Honestly sometimes one has to really question the "intellect" of the so called 'educated bourgeois'

Ribadu was strong on power. He is right, who one earth is charge of our power situation? A simple restructuring can improve efficiency. Good solid point made. Hands down the best on power. Shekarau was vague.

Will finish whenever the other parts are uploaded.

Ribadu is being a tad alarmist. Not saying the conspiracies he suggests have no truth to them, far from it, but he seems to highlight what we know without really focusing as much passion and energy on solutions. Buhari's response to the Niger Delta was a tad worrisome, he might see the issue a bit more simplistic than it actually is and seems to be suggesting focusing more on stifling dissent than solving the problems of the people. That in its way can be productive if such zeal is put towards holding oil companies more to account. Ultimately he come across as sincere but I think he might need a strong VP (like was the case before), and to be honest Bakare might have zeal, but I don't know about direction. Shekarau seemed to have more of a handle on the Niger Delta issue and understood it more (I like the idea of focusing on developing communities rather than "sitting down with militants"). Ribadu raised some points but ultimately his responses seemed good sounding, but vague and full of mere rhetoric. Ribadu has a good VP though. Caught a glimpse of the Vice Presidential debate and would prefer Adeola presidency to a Ribadu one actually LOL.

Ribadu's response on the Tinubu question is less than impressive and unconvincing. Buhari's opening statement wasn't bad at all, he came across meek and humble, stopping when he was asked to stop. Good choice of moderator, direct questions and no unecessary phony accent.

[flash=500,400]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrqySLhxeTk[/flash]

Finally. Would try to find time to watch it today.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=626596.msg7941557#msg7941557 date=1300491692]It isn't that simple. The Hausa view themselves there as equally indigenous to Plataeu. They are vastly outnumbered, but are fortunate enough to have powerful allies in the police and military.

So what is the simple "just" solution? Withdraw the military there and the Hausa will be slaughtered. They cannot be kicked out either, since not only is that illegal, they've lived there since the early 1900s (and claim to be indigenes too.)

Ultimately, it is as conflict between two cultures and ethnic groups about indigeneship and who owns what. So what is the obvious "just" solution? Neither party is clearly the villain (in my opinion.)[/quote]Unless one is being mischevious, there is no confusion over who is and isn't indeginous to Jos and plateau state in general, people know where they came from and who they met when they got there. It is not about villification but about justice (how many groups known to carry out well planned raids and massacre of children and families in the middle of the night have been arrested). The military has been known to collude with the one group to slaughter the other, so what are you talking about here? Where do you think the violence normally starts from? I really don't mean this as an insult but with this post of yours I see this discussion going nowhere (not really in the mood for one of those) because you don't seem to know what is happening in Plateau state.

Sagamite:
You surely are reetarded.  

The pix makes him look like a goon.

Any smart person, which a president should be, will know this is one of the "Men of Fraud" that parade themselves as "Men of God" and avoid such as best as possible, not kneel like a mooron.

What next? He would go and kneel for the "Woman of God" that brands kids witches in Akwa Ibom and gets those kids tortured?

That is all by the way. There are lots of other examples there if you refuse to see this as an issue.

Your perception of Adeboye is your perception of Adeboye. Not everyone (by a long shot it seems) would agree with you, hence still don't see why it is an issue. I have never even really listened to the man but know he is widely respected in the country by a very diverse section of the population. The child witch issue was uncalled for and does not really have a bearing in the point raised. You do know it is not uncommon for people to kneel down when they pray, right?

I really don't get the point of the picture. He is a not-so-smart person because he is kneeling down during prayer? Come on, a tad immature. There are issues to criticise about Jonathan, but that picture definitely shouldn't be one of them. You believe Adeboye is a man of fraud, others don't and see him as a pastor. So what is the issue?

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=626596.msg7941419#msg7941419 date=1300490022]Abeg, how about you answer my question, then I'll answer yours.[/quote]I have given you the answer. I don't feel like going on round about explaining what you should know (for somebody bold enough to claim "similarities" between Jos crises and Kano). The reason why there is violence and the issue causing the vioence is the reason why it is a simple matter of justice. You can read up on it if you are not so sure or ask another poster. It would be a bit immature though if you just jumped up to shout "similarity" for the sake of it.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=626596.msg7941394#msg7941394 date=1300489735]What is the "simple matter of justice" that you would apply?

Please enlighten me.[/quote]Why do you think there is routine violence in Jos? What do you think the issue is about?

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=626596.msg7941351#msg7941351 date=1300489177]I am NOT saying that they are EXACTLY the same. I'm saying that there are SIMILAR! Certainly, Jos/Kano are more similar than Jos/Boko Haram

Or do you disagree?[/quote]They might share some similarities but are ultimately different and whoever does not get that will not be able to solve the problem. The issue in Jos is a simple matter of justice, hence no need for pseudo nationalistic rhetoric about bringing peace by getting 'stakeholders' and all groups "involved". That is insulting to the situation happening in Jos and I have to say is simply a microcosm of what goes on in a larger sense in the Nigerian state. The groups involved are minority ethnic groups hence the urgency to solve the problem doesn't seem to be there (and heads and eyes are even turned the other way).