₦airaland Forum

helinues:
Better.

FG can't be paying them while working for others.

Go and hire private security if you need one

smithoo:
For the same reason, every newly appointed IGP has ever withdrawn the ESCORTS that were assigned to VIPs. Bring everyone here to renegotiate the agreements so that the escorts can return.

Then, all ROAD BLOCKs will be dissolved, only to reappear a few months later.


It is custom. Nobody ought to be fooled

He actually didnt say escorts are to be withdrawn. He said PMF will not be used for escort duties and will be replaced by the police close protection unit. Police protection for VIPs remains but mopol will be redirected to their original purpose.

DodadaKoKigbe:
Yes, Christianity can make normal good human beings into bad judgmental people. I have given you a clear example. And I have many examples from my own personal experience with people before and after they become Christians.

And I pointed out to you how your "example" of less than 1% of the population cannot be used to form a rule about the population. It is a completely illogical argument. Very poor reasoning that will not meet any statistical standards.

As for your personal examples, I'm sure you can figure out why they have no place in the debate?

I should also point out to you that you come across as a terribly judgmental person with is quite ironic.

So the good of the country was made secondary to APC winning?

Which school all these spokespersons dey go sef?

And what he is saying doesn't even make sense considering the devastating cash policy they were so happy to introduce.

DodadaKoKigbe:
My point is you cannot ascribe the good things in the west to Christianity. Since, those good things exist in non-Christian nations too. We can see clearly what Christianity is doing to Africa and Africans.

I didn't ascribe the good things in Western nations to Christianity. I pointed out that Christians don't have a record of being hostile to other religions, whether in Africa or in the West.

So I'm still yet to see how you came about your opinion that Christianity makes people bad. I'm certain that the vast majority of Christians around you are people who lead simple lives, work hard, train their kids and generally do not bother anyone.

It is for you to objectively examine why you hate them even when you can show no evidence of what they've done wrong.

DodadaKoKigbe:
1. The vast majority of Muslims have also never killed someone for insulting Muhammedu.

2. Some of those countries you mention like America have separation of church and state.

3. The Scandinavian countries (who are largely atheists) STILL have the LARGEST standard of living on the planet.

1. Doesn't have anything to do with my argument. Did I compare Christians and Muslims at any point?

2. And who created the separation of Church and State, wasn't it Christians?

3. I never mentioned the standard of living, and it's obviously not relevant to your argument that Christianity makes people bad.

You need to admit that you really have no point here.

DodadaKoKigbe:
I will give you one example: To this day, Christians still go around burning down the structures of traditional worshippers. That's intolerance of other religions. Christianity makes normal decent human being become intolerant of people/beliefs who/that don't subscribe/align to/with the Christian beliefs.

The vast majority of Christians have never burned down anybody's structure. That seems to suggest that you have attempted to make a rule out of an exception. No?

All over the world, Christian nations are the most accommodating to other religions, and in fact, most Christian nations and societies go out of their way to make others feel welcome.

When you look at the Western world, which is largely still dominantly Christian, it's evident that Christians are quite tolerant. Even in Nigeria, the vast majority of Christian communities do not persecute those of other faiths. Perhaps once in two years, you may find one zealous person going to destroy others' structures. Would it be fair to impute that to all Christians?

DodadaKoKigbe:
Islam and Christianity thrive on FEAR. For Christianity, it is the fear of the mythical HELL. Same thing for Islam. But Islam takes it a step further. Remember, that Islam is not just a religion but also an ideology. The moment Muslims become a slight majority in ANY area, they resort to vicious violence to silence the minority population. That's why Islamic terrorism thrives in far Northern Nigeria but does not in Southern Nigeria. The goal of Islam is to Islamize the entire population. They know that not everybody will accept Mohammed as a serious figure let alone a messenger of some Arab god. So, the people they cannot convert by preaching, they will subdue by fear. That's what Islam is all about.

Islam and Christianity are the worst thing to happen to Africa and Africans. But, Islam is far worse than Christianity. And that is saying a lot because Christianity is very terrible. Despite the terrible nature of Christianity, one thing you will never see is a Christian killing another human being in the name of the Christian god.

This is why, I ALWAYS tell my atheists friends who are thinking of embracing religion that: "...IF you must accept a religion MAKE SURE it is NOT ISLAM. Because both Islam and Christianity will turn you from a decent human being to a terrible human being BUT Christianity will NEVER turn you to a murderer and Islam CAN turn you to a murderer.

You're debate-baiting. But I'll ask:

How does Christianity turn anyone into a horrible being?

ImmaculateJOE:
Buhari already did this just before he handed over..

But why renaming Nasarawa Airport after the caliphate..? Nasarawa are 60% Christian state..

Also, does it mean that the people of South South has no Icon that Port Harcourt Airport can be named after..?

That Nassarrawa one is an insult.

SangoOlukosoOba:
He was a Muslim and failed to study his environment. He would have gotten away with such if he read his environment before blaspheming

Which blasphemy did he commit? Till now no one can say what exactly he said, and even those that knew him are shocked because they say he was not that type.

Instead of calling on the government to investigate and ascertain what happened while punishing those responsible, you are delving into all sorts of wild scenarios and putting the blame on everyone but the killers.

SMH.

SangoOlukosoOba:
I don’t know why people find it difficult to respect the religion of others when they find themselves in locations where they are minorities.

Nigerians would go to UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Indian, China, and Saudi, and they will 100% comply with religious laws, but back on their continent, they will start claiming rights.

It even extends to law and order. They are more law abiding outside the continent than within.

How does this relate to the present situation?

The accused was a devout Muslim.

gidgiddy:
Theres a lot of jokers in Nigeria. Kanubis no longer going through any criminal trial, he isnt even facing any charge, the appeal court has discharged and set him free

What the government is doing is appealing that judgment at the supreme court, which is now essentially a constitutional matter

However, three seasoned judges of the appeal court sat, and unanimously decreed that Nnamdi Kanu has no case to answer

If you read the reasons they gave for reaching the judgment, you will know that what the FG is doing at the Supreme court is a complete waste of time.

The supreme court will sit in September and release Kanu, its just a matter of time

Then everyone should be calm.

smileyoo:
it's like the criminals in their midst are using Islamic blasphemy, to settle personal quarrels among themselves, to the extent that whoever that's is accused of blasphemy by the enemy could be mobbed, without any opportunity to speak out and defend himself.
it's time the Islamic leaders do something to stop these needless killings, in the name of blasphemy, hence the various levels of government lack the political will to stop it.

Exactly. And this is what happened to Deborah. Her killing was spearheaded by a young man who's interest she had turned down.

Same happened in Abuja where a vigilante was killed at the instigation of the criminal he caught, on the grounds of blasphemy.

Northern leaders treat this issues with kid gloves thinking they are doing Christians not knowing that he that sows the wind will reap the whirlwind.

torqque7:
Imagine this one talking about in a working society shey a drug baron wont be arrested?dey Play just dey Play

Okay, and what does that have to do with the subject?

VikingKing:
You don't exercise and eat healthy. Very clear.


Yes.

lol. My friend it's biomechanics. Unless you are training specifically for this particular sort of exercise your arms are not designed to bear up your full body weight.

You certainly have not tried it and you're capping right now. I used to be quite fit. I can do it and have done it, but it cost me an injury so take it from me.

VikingKing:
People always fail this simple question.

Cut off a branch from that tree and use it throw the snake on the lion. While they fight, carefully navigate back to the stem of that big branch, come down, run for your life while those two are still busy with each other.

Voila!

You didn't play outside as a child. Very clear.

Can you sustain your full body weight with just one hand?

aswani:
Standard Obidient fayre, accuse you of supporting President Tinubu or accuse you of being a Yoruba Muslim.

By the way SmartyPants, superb work on presenting facts and figures, sadly wasted on Obidients as that is not what they want to read about their Oga.

They saw IyaebeThe Great off, hopefully your calm demeanour will help you stay the course.

Lol, that's the polarised nature of Nigeria today. But no one should take Nairaland to heart. I'm sure most of us come here to vent.

vanitybutiwanti:
You're wasting your time, ask that man if Donald Duke, Sullivan Chime, Fashola, Amaechi, mimiko, Wike, Fayemi and a host of other governors have been convicted or indicted in Nigeria.

That guy is just one of those brainwashed south easterners that believe a man that governed a state that's struggling to generate 2b internally will do exploit at the federal level, I'm not a fan of Tinubu but Obi and Tinubu are not mates at all, imagine if Anambra allocation was withheld like Lagos, what would he have done differently? During obi's time, doctors reportedly went in strike for 13 months, imagine if Tinubu or wike was caught with 250m in cash. There's nothing you can tell that guy to change his views about the mediocre peter obi, I'll advise you to stop engaging the dim wit

Well, I'm happy to engage anyone however stubborn they may be, provided they remain civil. Eventually they may shift position on certain issues.

mrvitalis:
How can we know if you are a thief when you haven't had the opportunity to steal?

You have no morals till you are rich enough to fun your fantasy

So why didn't you call tinubu u supported or atiku or a past governor

Obi has held near absolutely power, yet no accusations of enriching himself or family

Where did I say I support Tinubu? I expressly told you I voted for Sowore. You're back to inventing your own facts such as by alleging that hasn't enriched himself or his family when you know very well that there allegations (really, facts) that he took state money and kept in his family's bank, which if you understand banking, means he earned a hefty profit for the bank; as well as buying shares in a business his family had interests in, there enriching the shareholders of that business which included his family.


And, again, why must it be either Tinubu or Atiku when I gave you Kwankwaso?

mrvitalis:
I mean someone who has held office sir

Why must it be someone who has held office? Sowore is a politician too.

But if we must take your parameters, I would rather choose Kwankwaso who has had only one major accusation against him in a very long political career.

mrvitalis:
I am saying his explanation were logical based on how he became governor

But let's assume this technical offense are what obi committed I dare you to name one politician cleaner

Sowore.

mrvitalis:
Which law exactly did obi break with Pandora
State the law in clear terms

How much clearer should it be?

As culled from the post I just shared with you:

Breaking the Law: Number 1

In Nigeria, a person is statutorily obligated to withdraw from engaging in or directing a private business, except if it is farming, upon becoming a public officer, Section Six (6) of the Code of Conduct Bureau and Tribunal Act stipulates.

However, our investigation, based on records obtained from the UK Companies House shows that Mr Obi continued to be a director of Next International (UK) Limited for 14 months after becoming the governor of Anambra State, thereby breaking Nigeria’s law. The politician resigned from the company on May 16, 2008, 14 months after he assumed duties as Anambra governor. He took office on March 17, 2006.

Mr Obi did not dispute the records PREMIUM TIMES cited but he claimed he “resigned immediately” by handing his wife his resignation letter. He suggested that his company might have failed to effect the changes on time or the UK Companies House did not immediately document his exit. But the UK companies registry said Mr Obi indeed resigned on May 16, 2008, and that it received his notice of resignation for electronic filing on June 16, 2008.

Breaking the law: Number 2

Nigerian public officers are required to declare “immediately after taking office and thereafter all” their properties, assets, and liabilities and those of his (or her) unmarried children under the age of eighteen years,” Nigeria’s 1999 Constitution stipulates (Section 11, Part of the Fifth Schedule).

PREMIUM TIMES investigation also found that Mr Obi breached this constitutional provision on assets declaration. We can authoritatively report that Mr Obi did not declare to the Code of Conduct Bureau the companies he tucked away in offshore secrecy havens.

Mr Obi caused to be created for him a structure of secrecy that had previously, until the Pandora Papers investigation, meant he could continue to hold foreign assets in a way that breaches Nigeria’s law without the knowledge of authorities in the country. In an extra layer of secrecy, Mr Obi used paid nominees as directors, while he remains the ultimate beneficial owner, making it nearly impossible to discover his interests in those companies but we obtained rare incorporation documents proving his link.

Otherwise, Mr Obi could have forever hoped to continue to hold the assets, that he did not declare when he had a statutory obligation to do so as a governor, without any authority or the public calling him to account.

In his response, Mr Obi ridiculously suggested that those offshore companies and assets are jointly owned with his family members and that he was not under obligation to declare companies jointly owned. “I don’t declare what is owned with others,” Mr Obi told PREMIUM TIMES. “If my family owns something I won’t declare it. I didn’t declare anything I jointly owed with anyone.”

This is contrary to the position of the Constitution, which specifies the declaration of all assets, whether jointly or partly owned.

Nevertheless, leaked records show Mr Obi is the sole ultimate beneficial owner of the offshore companies. So he did not even jointly own it with anyone.

In that case, Mr Obi has violated Nigeria’s Code of Conduct law and, if authorities decide to act appropriately, he could be arraigned before the Code of Conduct Tribunal, a special court that tries public officers for any contravention of the Code of Conduct for Nigerian public officers as spelt out in the Fifth Schedule of the Nigerian constitution.

Breaking the law: Number 3

Operating foreign accounts while being a public officer.

The Nigerian constitution and the Code of Conduct Bureau and Tribunal Act forbid a public officer from maintaining or operating a bank account outside Nigeria. However, as a governor, Mr. Obi continued to operate and maintain foreign accounts, including with Lloyds TSB.

Mr. Obi told PREMIUM TIMES that he received the advice to create an offshore structure from Lloyds TSB, which then introduced him to intermediaries who helped him to set up com where he continued to operate a foreign account as a governor.

The offences violate sections of the Fifth Schedule of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999, as amended.

Asked if he is concerned that Nigerians would be disappointed at him following our finding of his opaque and lawless dealings as a governor, Mr Obi said he was more concerned about his U.K. and U.S. schools alumni network, his business and foreign creditors.

The former governor could be charged for failing to declare the company and its associated assets and perhaps operating foreign accounts while being a public officer.

The offences violate sections of the Fifth Schedule of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999, as amended.

mrvitalis:
Yes it's the job of the state assembly to investigate executive sir that's the job of the assembly aside making laws it's called oversight functions

2) a trust is not a bank account oga.. You don't have control over a blind trust

The key issues we should be looking at is where did that $15 million dollars come from... Was it from government or from his business... The origin is clear it from next... His financial brokers gave him the idea put this aside here n he did

That aside the money wasn't even from Nigeria it was from next UK just mere $15 million dollars

Obi explained that he was declared governor by the supreme Court, and sworn in that day so he didn't have time to process all he was meant to do before resuming office

He signed a letter handing over next to his wife then from his wife to his brother

Because something is morally wrong doesn't mean it's an offense

If this two are the only thing u have against obi then he is a saint compared to tinubu and atiku

1. What kind of stories are these? That account was meant to have been closed before running for governor not after. These were account she did not disclose on his asset declaration. Now you are saying the monies were from Next UK. We'll need a forensic accountant to help us check that but it's interesting that you say that, since Next Uk was a serial defaulter in filing its tax returns.

2. You may be getting yourself mixed up with terms. Peter Obi held accounts in Pandora banks, which you are now claiming were held in blind trust. I don't know what you mean by trust is not a bank account when clearly the subject of the alleged trust here is the bank account.

3. The main subject of Obi's Pandora transgression was set up in 2010 - when he was nearing the end of his tenure, nothing close to a day after he was sworn in. Where did you get that story??

After extensive documentation, Gabriella Investment Limited was born on November 17, 2010, with registration number 1615538. Two figureheads – Antony Janse Van Vuuren and Lance Lawson — were appointed its first directors while ultimate control resided with Mr Obi.
All the details are broken down here:


https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/487997-pandora-papers-inside-peter-obis-secret-businesses-and-how-he-broke-the-law.html?tztc=1

It's pointless comparing Obi, Tinubu and Atiku on grounds of corruption because in moral terms, the theft of 1 million from the public is the same as the theft of 1 billion.

I also hold the pragmatic view that public office holders should be excused for corruption if their good works towards the public outweigh their corruption. What I take issue with is taking an immoral man and painting him a moral man in order to score a political victory.

In any case, it may interest you to know that I voted for Sowore out of principle so I'm really not concerned with who is more or less corrupt out of three corrupt men.

thisisit:
Perhaps you don't understand the implication of the PROPOSED INDIGENEOUS PEOPLES BILL of Lagos State by Honorable Obasa.

Given our seemingly irreconcilable Diversities and heterogeneous nature, it is abnormal to try to seperate indigenes from settlers. Who is an indigene.l? Who is a SETTLER in Nigeria?

These issues have been explicitly resolved in the SOVEREIGN NATIONAL CONFERENCE WHITEPAPER.

Both Lagos State and TINUBU should put down their pride and go through those documents for proper guidance.

Perhaps you go beyond Lagos on a tour of Nigeria and you would understand the concept of two-in-one city and it's attendant consequences. Kaduna is a case study.

Regarding demolitions of building.
Kano demolition is politically motivated and condemnable.

SOLUDO demolition is development- motivated and as such commendable.

The Lagos demolition is Ethno-phobia motivated, triggered by the outcome of the just concluded general Elections. This is also condemnable.

Diversity does not exclude or discriminate based on political leaning or ethnic Nationality.

IN ANY CASE, WE ARE NOT DESTINED TO BE A NATION. WETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, WE WOULD INADVERTENTLY CREATE AN ODUDUWA REPUBLIC, AREWA REPUBLIC, IGBO REPUBLIC, NIGER DELTA REPUBLIC ETC. IN A NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE.

THIS (REGIONAL FEDERALISM) IS THE FACTORY SETTING OF NIGERIA PROVIDED BY THE MORE VISIONARY AND FORESIGHTED COLONIAL MASTERS.

IT WILL HAPPEN IN OUR LIFETIME!!!!

But how did you arrive at this conclusion? You may be right and you may be wrong but you cannot just state things like this without evidence.

mrvitalis:
1) the 250 million cash he was cleared by the PDP dominated Anambra house of assembly

2) Pandora is a trust controlled wealth, don't know if you know what trust means it was a blind trust . . He even challenged EFCC to arrest him of they found him wanting... They invited him looked at the case and found no crime


So what else do you have

1. Just see what you're saying. So you're proud that Obi was a beneficiary of a dysfunctional system? Is it the work of the State House of Assembly to clear him of a criminal offence?? The same PDP that the man served, btw? lol. As I've said you're definitely not interested in a new Nigeria. Not at all.

Being cleared by PDP does not mean it was not a crime! The law is simple - monies above a certain threshold are meant to be circulated through the financial system. Anything above that is a crime, and not just any crime, it is a strict liability offence - which means there is no defence when caught, as Doyin Okupe found out.

2. I've not gotten to the money laundering aspect of his Pandora account. I said it is an offence for a public office holder to have any account - by whatever name - outside Nigeria. For obvious reasons.

mrvitalis:
All this thing u wrote now u for use am list his crimes na

I dare you

These are well established:

1. Money laundering: by transporting over 250 million in cash in taxis to unknown "suppliers". Under Nigeria's anti-money laundering law this is a crime.

2. Operating foreign accounts as a public official: Obi's Pandora accounts were operated while he was a governor which is against the code of conduct for public officials.

mrvitalis:
Youth don't want leaders is just reaction to do called leader cashing out

If end sars had a leader he would have been bribed

Nigerian youths know that they can't resist the bribe so they try to avoid being in that position

That's the same reason many of us followed Peter obi

A Nigerian politician that not one criminal offence can be traced to? It sounded unbelievable but with time no body could bring anything

Not a land allocated to himself, no pension, not even side chick

If a youth with such characteristics emerged Nigerian youths would follow him no doubt

They way you peoole keep repeating this lie of Obi not having any criminal offence traceable to him is shocking.

In a working system that man would have seen jail time.

You cant claim to want a good Nigeria and keep covering up wicked deeds. That means there is something else you are after, using a new Nigeria as a cover.

Ihateheadslamer:
Nigerians and copy copy are like 5 and 6

I don tire. Any small thing that trends 100 Nigerians want to follow.

That's because Nigerians generally just want to succeed without necessarily having a grand vision.

JasonScoolari:
Evident indeed that you're pained by my comment that you had to give your*admonishment to general public" under the comment that made you feel pains.

Next time, you know people you rush under their comment to give your foolish admonishment.

Dummy. 🤣

No problems! My role here is to offer guidance, free of charge. I will not attempt to coerce you or anyone to make the necessary changes - but I will leave you with the strong suggestion that you do.

Till next time then, Jason.

Best,
Smarty

JasonScoolari:
You couldn't answer my question... I ask again, are you so stupid not to drop your comment without mentioning me?

Do I look like the Young Man drilling your mom? Why the urge to mention me? 😊

Lol - the answer by now ought to be evident.

You are a young man, who along with many others on this site, apears to lack wisdom so you and they collectively, have recieved a dose of free guidance from Smarty.

Save the thanks.

JasonScoolari:
The question is why did you mention me? Are you that stupid not to make your own post yourself? Answer the question first.

Are you so stupid not to drop your comment without quoting me?

Do I look like the guy drilling your mom? Why the urge to mention me? 😊

You're a very funny guy.

Lol so it's the fact that I mentioned you that is hurting your feelings? Sorry o.

I mentioned you because I felt like it na. That's how a public forum works. If you don't like it, get off nairaland.

No be so? lol.

JasonScoolari:
Glad I am bringing out your hypocrisy.

First you said you were giving a general admonishment using my comment as a platform, now, see you talking trash after I exposed your hypocrisy.

Maybe you're one of the Agbado miscreants pained by my comment.

Next time, you will avoid it so you won't look foolish in your bid to sound intelligent.

Lol but in my original message did i mention you specifically, or i said you guys? Is the meaning of "you guys" not self evidently plural? Abi you no go school reach that level? No problems.

But what i don't get is, you are a tribalist but you're ashamed of the label. Yet you dont want to change.

Why put yourself through such cognitive dissonance?

JasonScoolari:
Why did you mention me to make your general admonishment? Using my comment as a platform to prove what? If you're not foolish.

Please, use other people's comment next time, and don't be foolish at it.

Cheers.

This you or someone else?

[quote]As he no fit speak for the event, make [b]Agbado miscreants [/b]use dis wan hold body[quote]Why pretend as if you don't spend all your time on Nairaland making divisive ethnically-laced comments?

Lol.