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Virgin Finder: That was because Atiku virtually ruled the nation during OBJ's first term.

Now say another thing.

Even during obj second term? Were you in this country then? please stop joking!

Virgin Finder: Where zoning formula and a constitutional right are neck and neck, constitutional right should carry the day.

It'll be morally wrong for GEJ to handover to a southerner at the expiry of his tenure in 2019. That is where zoning comes in.

Yar'Adua's (by no one's hand) death affected the zoning arrangement for a while. It'll be back in 2019.

If constitutional rights supercedes zoning - and you are right- why didn't jonathan repudiate it earlier?
Why did he agree he was completing yaradua's unfinished term in 2011.
when okadigbo was impeached, why couldn't the deputy automatically take over, why did someone from his zone took over?
What is morally wrong is reneging on an agreement you willingly and knowingly enter into .
As I keep saying, there ought to be honour even among thieves!

nwekesimon68: Pls who is dat person that is capable. Bt pls dont mention rochas.amechi.buhari.atiku.tambuwal etc. Mention to me the capable people to turn naija to dubai?

At least we know the one who is not capable because he was given the opportunity and by some of is assesment, Jonathan is an abysmal failure as a leader and as a manager.

Virgin Finder: Which faction is recognized by INEC?

Which PDP faction in ANAMBRA is recognised by inec. I don't think you understand what factionalisation means in political terms.
PDP is factionalised into two. Any talk of a single PDP is now ambiguous!

yorke1: I don't know why Hausa people like causing confusion. Ameachi is just a sell out. You are betraying the people of South-South shoulder robbing with the enemies. Over the years these people have rule peacefully and quietly without wahala. Well, we are watching how things unfold in the future. Power must remain in south south till 2019, period.

Are namadi Damon, bamanga tukur betraying the north for supporting Jonathan? Why are you people such hypocrites!?

zegbeye: A Dead party still ruling your country...sometimes you guys take consolation in repeated lies,thinking it would become true if said repeatedly

While some guys live in perpetual denial thinking denying the obvious we make the truth go away.

PDP is now defunct. What we now have is old PDP and new PDP both at war with each other. This is the current reality. Stop clinging to the past.

[quote author=nwa.anambra]If Amaechi, a governor has all dis boys, then were are the president's boys?

This Amaechi guy is truly a formidable enemy to hav. I guess nw GEj & hipotamy would av seen d clear diference btw awka & oka! They think they can mess anybody up like they did to sylva.

Nxt hipotamy wil cal him to ask him wht he realy wnts!“ Bia amaechi wht did u wnt!wht do u wnti mi to giv u so dat u wil leav my huzibandi alone!my moda die u did nt pay condulance I forgiv u and nw u wnt to make me a widow by force! Amaechi pls leave my family alone!”

Bt seriously am begining to like dis amaechi. U can imagin hw nigeria wil be if he is in Jonathan's sit![/quote]Jonathan and his supporters have a fatal flaw of always underestimating adversaries. That is what got jonathan into the current unprecedented peculiar mess he is wallowing.
Northerners do not matter. They are all boko haram
Yoruba are amala people Jonathan does not need them.
Obj is worthless they can do without him.
AMAECHI is a nonentity, who cares about him
Okorocha and ngige notwithstanding, Jonathan will win all igbo votes

Jonathan's number one ememy: his emergency friends!

nameo: These people are from Rivers, mostly. They are Ameachi boys.

The 57 people here are the 'borntorule' Abokki powermongers(mostly) and a few Prodigals fro Rivers. And they want just one thing: Power to move back to the north (in the case of Amaechi, Deputy Servant in Asorock), Or at least lots of money; hence the gragra for Negotiation.

Nothing much here.

The truth is that your power hungry Jonathan promised that after completing the remaining term in the yaradua / Jonathan slot in PDP zoning formula, power will rotate back to the north.
If they truly believed they were born to rule why did they concede power to the south in 1999. While I do not agree with PDP and their zoning formula, at least there ought to be honour even among thiefs.

All you jonathan apologist can attack northerners as much as you want. You can take your vile, hateful propaganda to any level you want
It cannot detract from a basic truth: Jonathan cannot be a beneficiary of his party zoning formula and then turn around to repudiate it as a result of a naked lust for power..

This is what has torn PDP apart. Jonathan's desperation for 2015.

Some people cannot diffrentiate between an endorsement and a candidate being given an automatic ticket.
Okorocha and Annie okonko simply endorsed NGIGE as APC governorship candidate. It did not preclude anyone from participating in a primary.
What I found particularly impressive is the fact that APC adopted option A4 for the primaries. This enables registered party members to vote from the ward level and votes tallied at local and state level..

omonnakoda: Is there no way of communicating with your mods in private? Honestly this is embarrassing

It is like an assistant pastor preaching wrong doctrine to the congregation during a service. The senior pastor cannot correct him in the secret when he misled the congregation in the open!

Seun: @afam4eva: If you strongly feel a thread should be hidden, ask her about it, and she will decide and answer to me. But it is strongly discouraged and frowned upon. Nairaland members do not "own" their threads. Their threads are "owned" by all of us, especially those who have participated in such threads.

the real embarrassment here is that it seems some NAIRALANDers understand the rules and practices of this forum more than some mods.

What you just stated was precisely the point raised by obiagelli earlier.

Obiagelli: wow I thought everything posted here belongs to nairaland (seun), thanks for your explanations, though it sounds wired to me.

Sounds even much weirder to me! It makes absolutely no sense at all.

chukwudi44: Northern party ko southern party ni!! It can be a northern party for all I care.As long as GEJ is contesting on the platform of PDP I will still vote for him.

Unfortunately the same old PDP rotates power between regions via a zoning formula. Indeed the problem the defunct PDP is facing right now is as a result of a certain gentleman who wants to renege on a certain agreement he was part of. I can understand that power is sweet to the man who do not want to give it up as it is sweet to the people who wants it back.
The battle between old PDP and new PDP is all about power shift and an agreed zoning formula.

But shouldn't there be honour. Even among thiefs?!

Nebeuwa: Didn't Jonathan win without the North in the last election?

Infact Jonathan does not need any other region . The votes of the south east and the south south is enough to make him president.
I wonder why he has being running helter skelter since saturday. He does not need the north or any other people for that matter!

Dibiachukwu: berem. You have continued to use this line to make us (Imolites) look bad; in front of our Igbo brethen. If you have an issue with anambra, please sort it out yourselve, and leave Imo state out of it. There is nothing wrong with the contest for the support of the general Igbo populace from both the Imo and Anambara axis. But there is certainly everything wrong with conniving with foreign criminals like tinubu and buhari. There should be redline to politics. Okorocha goofed big time with that move. Even I am from Imo state but would be very suspicious of Okorocha from now on.

Foreign crimimals from Ghana or chad republic?

[quote author=ckkris][/quote]When was boko haram so created and was at the helm of affairs? what are asserting is as stupid and ridi culous as someone saying that massob was created by the entire people of the south east.

boko haram problem started during the tenure of yaradua. It was Jonathan's indecisiveness, weakness and incompetence that allowed the problem to get out of hand before his recent belated actions.

a more effective leader would have nipped the problem in the bid within three months . But with Jonathan, nothing gets done until a problem becomes a predicament. Slow poke.

Bensonn: Mr chukwudi.

My friend if dont know sometin you keep quiet, dont be disgracing yourself, you keep hammering christian this! christain that! Are you in Nassarawa or benue or kaduna? You are busy beating your chest vaguely and aimlessly, laden and enchanted with religious and tribal bitterness you keep spewing trash. Who told you that Gej will win Nassarawa? Nassarawa is an Apc state and the christian Eggon/mada region who are even the christians are all in APC with APC's senator solomon ewuga representing them, the last senator before ewuga was mrs patricia akwashiki of ANPP now APC, so if you are talking of Nassarawa xtians, they are rooted in apc. Coming to nassarawa west. Look at the names of the above stated senators in the ''new PDP'' you will see Abdullahi Adamu, hmmmn, that man is the ''sarkin yarkin KEFFI'' infact he alone can divert abt 80% of votes in that zone. Infact he is d only person that cld win an election with a PDP logo in Nassarawa west. Waddada and co failed. Then the other zone is ofcourse apc. So if sen adamu joins the 'new pdp' faction,then PDP in nassarawa for Gej is dead and buried. And for the few christians you are boasting about, they are totally rooted with their Eggon hero solomon ewuga who is an APC stalwart. So dont stay in onitsha,enugu or aba or even your village and be beating ur chest on what u dont know.

Not only him, but most of Jonathan supporters are banking on this ethic card so much. For someone like , e who stayed in the north and have recently travelled extensively within the north, they are in for a shocker.

The perception of Jonathan in the north is currently at a very low ebb and the religious card needs high motivation to work effectively for a christian since we chrisitians are usually more apolitical than Muslims.

payless: Are you blind? Four senators from the list are not from the North. I thought you all said Boko Haram was the hand work of Buhari? You are all clueless and confused bunch of id10ts.

Thanks for the observation. Maybe to them every northerner is boko haram which makes namadi sambo bolo haram as well.

Indeed judging by the number of northerners in PDP, going by their mindless propaganda, old PDP was the biggest boko haram party in Nigeria!

Mindless hateful tribal jingoist.!

Shameless hypocrites!

chukwudi44: Me sef tireoo.Ngige did not even get up to 63 votes during the last gubernatorial poll in the state.Only APC primaries de produce 63000 votes

Please go and learn how option a4 works. Stop exposing your ignorance here.

Sincere 9gerian: My brother, I tire for APC and Ngige magic. This rigging is senseless, laughable, shameless, needless and ridiculous. Na so dem wan take rule Nigeria, with wayo and magomago? Smh

My brother your frustration, shock and disillusionment is understandable. Obviously the campaign of tribal hatred and division is not working as expected.

Sorry. Pele.

chukwudi44: Me sef tireoo.Ngige did not even get up to 63 votes during the last gubernatorial poll in the state.Only APC primaries de produce 63000 votes

NGIGE scores more than 60, 000 votes in the last governorship election. Option a4 adopted by APC is also a more democratic form of internal democracy than PDP 's highly manipulative delegate system.
The figures also indicate that contrary to all the falsehoods and propaganda NGIGE and APC are very on ground in anambra state.

Haters and doomsayers have been shamed .

boneruns: From the look of things, I think the battle is about GEJ and not really PDP.

The "progressives" hate GEJ and not PDP.

This is intellectually fraudulent. Are you now trying to distance and separate Jonathan from PDP? Have Jonathan apologist become this desperate?
Jonathan is the head of PDP.
The fish head is rotten. The fish is rotten.

atlwireles: You are too smart, to make that comment. There is one PDP and by Monday morning INEC will repeat the same words. We don't all live in a banana republic.

You don't get it. Did inec not say they only recognise the uba faction of PDP in anambra state? Does that mean the're is only one faction of PDP in anambra state?

atlwireles: There is only one PDP, the coup attempt failed. Bamaga Tukur is chairman.

Please stop living in denial. PDP is factionalised at the national level now.. all the state chapters, most 8f which are already are already factionalised will start aligning with either of the two national factions in the coming days.

Jonathan's desperation for 2015 has finally lead to the balkanisation of a disgusting octopus: PDP.

figment232: They wud all be expelled

Expel from which faction of PDP? the truth is that the new PDP has already removed the factional chairman of the old PDP tukur and his excoo . As we speak there are two parallel exco in PDP. What a peculiar mess!

atlwireles: The PDP has factored this breakaway govs into the APC, before this convention. So, there's nothing new here.

which PDP? The new PDP or the old PDP? your statement is ambiguous!

abu12: I hope we will end up having 3 governors forum

No. They all belonged to the AMAECHI's g19 faction of the governor's forum.

Afam4eva: These progressives should know that these people are still PDP members, so i find it strange that they're congratulating them. That's how they were hobnobbing with Amaechi, another PDP member when he had problems with Jonathan despite still being in the same PDP. This is desperation at it's best in a worst form. Twa.

arrant nonsense. You seems to have forgotten that the progressive governors worked with the new PDP governors of 7 to deliver victory for amaechi in the governor's forum election. They already have a working understanding and I expect a coalition of APC and the new PDP to take over the national assembly in the coming weeks.

If you do not know that the new PDP and APC are on the same page and working towards the same agenda then you are probably too blinded by your love for jonathan to read the situation correctly.

I can understand why you Jonathan apologist are so worried. Your man is in a serious mess of his own making.

Sincere 9gerian: Fear fear governors. I thought they would have been bold enough to walk out of the party and join APC or form another party. But in the end, fear no gree dem. What they've simply done is just like a lady or child crying just to be noticed. It doesn't make any sense.

Meanwhile, I hate to say this but it is clear that all these are happening simply because GEJ, the leader of PDP, is from minority tribe. Sometimes, I wonder what would have happened to GEJ by now if not that atleast the Igbos have stood by him. This president has not committed any sin, except his tribe. If anything, atleast, this is the first time we'r having purposeful leadership in this country. While OBJ ran the opposition out of business and Yar Adua rigged the only major election (Ekiti re-run) he supervised in favour of PDP, GEJ has allowed free and fair elections, thereby increasing the political control of the opposition, in terms number of states and legislative seats between 2010 and now. But what does GEJ get in return, its attacks, attacks and more attacks. Very very unfortunate indeed.

I wish some of you realises how damaging this ethnic card is to jomathan. The more you play it, the more counterproductive it becomes.

All this is happening within PDP where he is supposed to the leader, but because of his desperation for 2015, he has lost and will lose more a big chunk of his party.

opposition parties have always known that Jonathan is an unserious kindergarten president. Now more and more people in PDP are realising this and bailing out of the leaking umbrella!

Put the blame where it lies: Jonathan goodluck.
his ethnicity has nothing to do with of.

chukwudi44: 2011

Official Nigerian Presidential Election Results

BAYELSA:
PDP 504 811
CPC 691


BENUE
PDP 658, 472
CPC 102171

ANAMBRA:
PDP 1, 145, 169
CPC 4, 223


KATSINA:
PDP 424, 587
CPC 1, 154, 000

KEBBI:
PDP 369, 198
CPC 501, 453

ABIA:
PDP 1, 175, 984
CPC 3, 743

EDO:
PDP 542, 173
CPC, 17, 795

JIGAWA:
PDP 414,000
CPC 663,063

KADUNA:
PDP 1, 190, 179
CPC 1, 334, 244

DELTA:
PDP 1, 368, 851
CPC 8, 960

EBONYI:
PDP 480, 592
CPC 1,025

ENUGU:
PDP 802, 144
CPC 3,753

FCT:
PDP 254, 444
CPC 131, 576

LAGOS:
PDP 1, 281, 688
CPC 189, 983

OYO:
PDP 484, 758
CPC 92, 396

RIVERS:
PDP 1, 817, 762
CPC 13, 182

KANO:
PDP 440, 656
CPC 1, 624, 543

SOKOTO:
PDP 309,057
CPC 540,769

KWARA:
PDP 268, 243
CPC 83, 603

ONDO:
PDP: 387,376
CPC: 11, 890

OGUN:
PDP: 309,177
CPC: 17,654

OSUN:
PDP: 188,409
CPC: 6,997

KOGI:
PDP: 399, 816
CPC: 132, 201

BAUCHI:
PDP 250, 840
CPC 1, 315, 205

AKWA IBOM:
PDP 1, 165, 629
CPC 148

You keep quoting these fake figures from the east where there was a supposed 100 % turn out of registered voters.

Take abia state for example, the total number of votes cast in the governorship election was approx 700, 000 representing about 50% turn out of registered voters whereas in the presidential election Jonathan scored approx 1.4m votes. That represents about 99.9 % turn out.!

that is just one example of the fraud that took place all over the south east in the 2011 presidential election..

insideview: This "new PDP" faction has a curious character to its leadership.

Atiku has travelled this road before with results to show (not what he had hoped for)

Ameachi is of doubtful political capital to anyone.

The G5 govern states that electoral strategy dictate were never the incumbents' to win

Kwara state governor cannot even deliver his party in local elections (or maybe he tacitly conceded to APC). Besides his principal has questions regarding the demise of Societe Genrale Bank and looks likely to be engaged for the forseable future.

Startegically, they have showed their hand, and the cards i see do not look good. Trying to make the most of a bad situation i guess.

A point that gets overlooked is that state caucuses not loyal to thier respective renegade governors voted in the congresses (i stand to be corrected) and and such its fairly certain which "Faction" will be recognised by the electoral umpire.

Next week should be very interesting.


Maybe the whole point of the factionalisation is to set the grounds for decamping without consequence. (Cross carpet from a peaceful party and loose your position. But if the party is in crisis, then you're free to). I remains to be seen if the "walkout" will assume the toga of crisis.

At least you got the point. PDP is now factionalised, so any elected officer under PDP can now decamp with justification.
These are interesting times indeed.