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mtinfx:
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joker
this one na too na business abi
sports trading ke, sports farming ni

solite3:
A believer cannot chose not to repent neither can he die in sin.
No 1 John 1vv9 didnt say a repentant believer rather a man who is born of God.

@bolded that is not what I meant.

A believer might suffer grievously for his sin or lose his reward in eternity but it does not translate to losing his salvation.
THOUGH YOU DID NOT RESPOND EXPRESSLY WHERE A BELIEVER THAT DIED IN SIN WILL END. HEAVEN OR HELL. I have asked this direct question twice but you chose to party it rach time.
But your answer suggests that your sinful believer will make heaven but only lose his rewards. Typically you are saying a SINNER will go to heaven. I can only say God help you and those that hold this kind of belief.


can you be saved without regeneration? Every believer has already being regenerated that is why they would not continue in sin.
Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.


1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

That is the expected end for a believer (to he full of the holy spirit and His word so that he will not sin) but it does not happen overnight. That's illustrated the stages. But if you hold the view that once you have become a believer (accepting Christ) you are able to exercise the grace not to commit sin immediately and consistently is not TRUE. We need to let people face reality unless we hold the view that one can continue to live the old sinful life because he cannot lose his salvation (see Ps 51:10)

Read these two verses carefully, anyone who continue to sin has never knew God at any point.
Meaning the man that is born of God is the man that abided in Christ and the man that does not continue in sin.

So what do you call such people? Are they believers (they have declared for Jesus) or unbelievers. Remember where we started from is differentiating BELIEVER AND UNBELIEVER

the bible does not state confessing of sins as part of justification. Infact confession of sins is important in a believer's life to restore broken relationship.


The condition for Justification is, faith in Jesus and his finished work of Christ on the cross not confessing of sins.
Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Confessing here is acknowledgement that one is a SINNER. We have the moralist who believes that they have not committed any sin so why will they need a saviour not realising that ALL men have sinned Rom 3:23


There is gross misinformation in what you wrote there.
First of all, salvation is not about trying to make heaven. It is God saving a man from his sin condition.

We are trying to get academic here. We all know the ultimate reason for salvation. First for man to be restored spiritually here on earth and have relationship with God which continues in eternity.

Salvation includes
Justification/forgiveness
Regeneration ( being reborn spiritually)
Sanctification( growing into the image of Christ)
Preservation( God keeping the believer)
Glorification.

Sanctification is not a battle to make heaven rather a growth towards Christ's image, this growth might have a different rate in every believer, some might be fast some might be slow but it continues until they see Jesus.

I don't know where you saw making heaven in my write up as reason for sanctification. You simply rewrote what I explained as sanctification

When a beleiver is born again he is dead to sin.
This is not automatic. Yes the believer has that grace but must exercise it otherwise he will fall into sin. So he must strive to study the word and live holy. That's what Paul is illustrating in Rom 7, advising to crucify ghecfkesh daily

Romans 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

*Notice that paul said we are already dead to sin.*
And lastly No Christian can ever perish.



John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

I repeat no one that Christ has saved will ever get lost, saying otherwise is saying Christ is incompetent and lying.

I DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT. THE PERSON THAT CHRIST SAVED MAY DECIDE TO UNFOLLOW CHRIST. Judas Iscariot lost his place. Demas left Paul and Ministry because he loved the world 2 Tim 4:10. Why do you think Paul warned "he that thinks he stands let him not fall (1 Cor 10:12)

MrPRevailer:
How can you be cherrypicking what is sin?
If you sin wilfully means if you commit any sin willfully. That statement didn't have any limit to what sin.

1 John 3:8 says "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

solite3:
what do you mean by a sinful believer? John already said that no one born of God continue to live in sin.
A believer in Jesus cannot end up in hell because he already has eternal life.
A believer who sins would get punished for his sin on earth but his Spirit would be saved.

Joeyburton:
Hehehe. No manners. Some parents should be ashamed. Anyway it might not be their fault, most of these girls nowadays go to school and relocate to a boys house. It's no surprise that she lacks home training. I can see ranting on nairaland is the extent of her home training. I thank the gods that we have different kinds of sensible ladies because I would probably hang myself If I had to live with someone like this. I would not be surprised if your husband committed suicide just to get away from you.

solite3:
Have you ever sinned before? What then are you? If you have sinned that means you are a sinner and going to hell, going by your logic.

You dont become righteous by works, by faith in Jesus.
There is nothing like a righteous believer and an unrighteous beliver.

A aon does not lose his sonship because he lives badly.
Read the story of the prodigal son.
Did the prodigal son ever lose his sonship? But he lost his reward.

unstoppable51:
Did you just say in your first paragraph that 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 is addressed to believers who are living uprightly and not those who sin?

So the Bible is saying in those verses that the Believer who lived uprightly shall suffer a loss of reward, according to you?

Was that a typographical error bro?

If you cannot even be as honest as saying exactly what the scriptures say, but keep insisting on your own, how do we reason the scriptures together then. Seeing that you do not even believe it.

And you calling a sinning believer a SINNER is a clear proof you have not even studied clearly who a believer is and who a sinner is. You still mix the two based on their actions.

Before I end this convo, let me give you a little tip. The Corinthian Christians were doing all sorts of abominable things after they were born again. I mean things that Christians should never do. And Paul had to write 1 and 2 Corinthians to correct them.

But do you know the shocking thing? While addressing these sinning believers who had just done all sorts of abominable things, Paul began by calling them "them that are Sanctified in Christ Jesus" and "Saints" (1 Corinthians 1:2).

Ordinarily, one would expect the apostle Paul to start addressing these Christians as "sinners" because they had fallen into sin. But instead, he still addressed them by their eternal righteous nature and terms in Christ. Do you know why?

Because there is a CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BELIEVER and the unbeliever who sins. They have never been the same in the scriptures. They are not today and will never be tomorrow.

You can decide to stick to what you believe as against the scriptures and even call yourself a man of integrity. But believe me brother, true Biblical integrity is actually melleability in God's hand. Allowing God's Word to confront your religious beliefs and dogmas, straighten and sharpen the ones that badly needs it.

God bless and keep you, and cause the Light of His Word to shine brightly on your paths. I'll stop here for now. The intent of the post was never to start arguments. It was rather to bless lives. And I seriously hope it has achieved that purpose.

Thank you!

jossytech:
Is already 1$

Izigha:
Channel should not cause unnecessary public panic. the $11 a barrel price is for US west Texas Intermediate. Nigeria oil is the world bench mark called Brent Crude is trading at $26 now.
It very worrying even at $26, Nigeria is in for a long and ugly ride

haywire07:
America is the highest producer of Oil but why do they keep importing from Iran and Nigeria?

haywire07:
It's hightime Nigeria stopped international sales of oil in full capacity.
Let us channel ample amount of the oil to a reservoir and save up for a better day.
Cut deals with some African countries and use their reservoirs if ours is filled

When we save enough, the Government should declare our refineries ''out of service".
Luckily, Dangote refinery is near completion.

After this Covid -19 pandemic, we begin to sell from our reservoirs for the main time, while the refineries will be under renovation.

And also very importantly is the need to diversify.

unstoppable51:
The believer in Jesus and the unbeliever can NEVER be punished alike. Nowhere in the scriptures does the Bible teach that.

I understand your fight against the so called believers living like the unbelievers. We're all on the same page on that. That's why we're calling all believers everywhere to "awake to righteousness and sin not"

But don't get unnecessarily emotional and start using falsehood and threats to spur them to act righteously.

The sinning believers will be punished quite OK. But do not equate them with unbelievers. They are never on the same level in the sight of God and will never receive the same type of punishment.

The scriptures teach that the believer who didn't live uprightly shall suffer loss of his rewards but his soul is still saved.

1Co 3:13-15 KJV 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

However, the unbeliever is eternally doomed regardless of how good his actions are. Why? Because he did not believe that God has sent His Son into the world to die for his sins. This is just the plain truth of the scriptures.

Comparing the believer and the unbeliever when they sin, is like comparing a son of the house and a hired servant. They are not the same bro.

The son of the house can get punished severely and still have a right to his father's name. Even if he loses his freedom of movement or a part of his inheritance, he is still his father's son. But the hired servant gets thrown out of the house the moment he breaches the terms of the contract, with absolutely nothing to his name!

Now think of that carefully sir. I pray the Lord grants you the understanding.

uncleck:
The Bible is the word of God; it is the truth. The Quran is the word of God; it is also the truth

uncleck:
If Jesus is the truth according to your submission, Mohammed is also the truth

uncleck:
why then does opinion varry when it comes to what the judgement day stands for and when it is?

1stola:
What makes you think that your story book (Bible) is truer is better than other religious books?

Obatolysis:
Well said. But Believing in Jesus is not only a mental act. It goes beyond that. It means believing in ALL his teaching (To be perfect as your Heavenly Father is) and parables and his commandments (hinged on love) and His Actions, the greatest of which is His Victory over death forever.

There will be two judgements. The personal and the general (Final judgement). Immediately after death, comes judgement and the one receives in his/her immortal soul, eternal rewards due to his/her deeds either everlasting joys or everlasting death.

At the end of time, Christ will come again to judge both those who have died from the beginning of creation, to those still living when He comes again. All will be made manifest. All the dead will be resurrected. The deeds of every man will be revealed to its fullest and even more the consequences of his deed (Which is not judged at the personal judgement). For those whose sins are forgiven, the Lord keeps no record of it and it's as though, they never committed the sin. That is the incomprehensible mystery of God's Mercy. The sins of those who died unrepentant or those who still living, remained unrepentant until to the Second coming of the Lord , will be revealed to all, even that done in deepest secret
".....What you have spoken in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the housetops....." Luke 12:3.

In similar way the good of the Saints in heaven and still on earth at the time of Christ second coming , who cooperating with God's grace and justified will be revealed
"...For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God; for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning in labor pains until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly while we wait for adoption, the redemption of our bodies" Romans 8: 19-23
The essence of the general judgement is this

1) To affirm the justice of God in the gathering of the great Assembly

2)To reward the mortal body. For those who are justified , their bodies are transformed to glorified bodies and endowed with immortality and impassibility, similar to the glorified body of Jesus Christ after his resurrection and united to their souls . To those damned, the bodies are transformed to ugly , horrible forms which are also united to their horrible souls, to die the second time, but eternally in hell (the second death) .

For those living a holy life, the await this judgement as though a liberation.

For those living in sin, the picture of the last judgement should commit a holy fear upon your soul, that you may repent, believe in God and His only begotten son and gain for yourself, eternal life.

arimahoseloka:
The Lord bless you brother for opening our eyes of understanding and dispelling the false doctrines of Lucifer and his angels. No more will fear rule over me, for I am made perfect, holy and acceptable through my faith in Christ Jesus and not my works. This is Express entry to heaven, God has made it so simple and sweet, yet the devil wants to feed us with stupid false doctrines to keep us in perpetual fear that will eventually make u hate God for threatening to burn all sinners in everlasting hell fire!!

1stola:
FEED YOURSELF!
NB: Many of these books existed before Jesus and the Bible

Religion population and BOOKS

Hinduism (1 billion followers) - The Vedas
Buddhism (376 million followers) - Tripitaka (Pali Canon)
Sikhism (23 million followers) - Guru Granth Sahib
Judaism (14 million followers) - The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament)
Bahá’í (7 million followers) - Kitáb-i-Aqdas
Jainism (4.2 million followers) - Agam Sutras
Etc

Folabiw8:
All what u said about jurdement day is rubbish. U have know certain knowledge about that its beyound any christian to explain that day because ur bible no notting about the day.

xamuell:
pls can you give any biblical proof of purgatory? That has been a controversial issue

murphyung:
How will the Muslims and people of other religion be judged? Would it not be unfair to say they are condemned already?? Just seeking clarity

unstoppable51:
The verse you just quoted said work "out" your salvation, it didn't say work "for" your salvation. "Work out" and "work for" your salvation are not the same.

What that Phil.2:12 is saying in essence is "live out the salvation you have already received by faith". In other words "manifest it, show it to the world" in your character and speech. Don't just lift scriptures to argue sir, read them with unbiased mind, to learn.

Nowhere in this post did the author said it's OK to sin after you have received Jesus. If you arrived at that conclusion, you never read the post well. Read again sir!

Update: Here's a detailed explanation of that Phil.2:12 https://www.feedmejesus.com/2019/03/what-does-it-mean-to-work-out-your.html

unstoppable51:
The Christian who continues in sin intentionally after he has heard and accepted the Gospel is a fool. He will never go unpunished as God does not condole sin. But his punishment is not like that of unbelievers and Satan (Hellfire), like most of us usually think.

The punishment of the Christian whose performance does not line up with his faith or confession, is that he will lose his eternal rewards in Heaven. He will lose the things God has prepared for those who lived uprightly in Heaven but his soul is still saved because he entered heaven by his faith in Jesus, not due to his good behaviours.

This is the point most of us usually miss it. We think Heaven is for the best behaved persons on earth. Whereas the scriptures teach that it is for those who exercised Faith in the Salvation that Christ offers. You will be so shocked to find those whom you must have looked down on and concluded that they are not "heavenly" there.

Those whom you hold in high esteem may never even make there. Why? Because most of them trust so much in their performance that they have unconsciously adopted that as their Saviour and no longer exercise faith in the sacrifice of Jesus.

Now again I say that the Christian who continues sinning after he is saved is a fool. He really deserves pity. But even more pitiable is the man who trusts in his "good works" for Salvation and not the Christ.

Why? Because the sinning Christian if he is truly saved in the first place, shall suffer loss of his eternal rewards in heaven and still be in Heaven. But the other fellow, "NOTHING for him"

To every Christian out there, you are the light of the world. Let it show in your character and actions towards others. Represent Christ everywhere you go, as though Jesus himself is watching you right now, because he really is.

To the unbeliever out there who believes that because of his good behaviours, God will consider him on the last day. Bro, you are living in fantasy. There's only one way to God, and that is FAITH IN THE SACRIFICE OF JESUS. Not your good works, alms giving, building and attending churches. Only faith in Christ saves.

Only faith in Jesus. Nothing else!

spartan117:
The TRUTH is the word of God. Any teaching that has no foundation in the word is a lie. The op didn't just give us his opinions, he showed scriptures that proves it, hence it's The Truth.

IJOBA2:
THE CURRENT BIBLE IS NOT GOD’S WORD.

justgabby:
RUBBISH FROM A SICK MIND.

content208:
According to you, I will enter heaven even if I'm a sinner, provided I Believe in Christ.

Then let me go and continue to sin since Mr HyperGrace preacher said all that matters is for me to believe in Christ.

But Mr HyperGrace preacher forgot that I can't be in sin that grace may abound.

Mr HyperGrace preacher forgot that the eyes of a sinner shall not see God.

Mr HyperGrace preacher forgot that Righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any man.

Mr HyperGrace preacher forgot that You can't be called a believer if you are living in sin.

Mr HyperGrace preacher forgot that those who commit sin after claiming that they have become believers are nailing Christ to the Cross a second time.

Why is Mr HyperGrace preacher looking for a smooth cover for his sin and uncleanness?

Osidazz19:
[[s]quote author=silvermania post=88606711]Christ is the only way,if you don't believe in him you are doomed,, simple[/s]

RUBBIS TRASH.
Christians are only about 30 percent of the world population, so the remaining 70 percent are doomed?
Utter illogical and senseless rubbish.

I found out that mostly brainwashed Nigerian Christians will say rubbish like this, even thr Oyinbo that brought you Christianity doesn't reason like this. They know better. This also means your fore fathers are all going to hell, because they didn't know about Christianity until the white man came to your villages.
Complete nonsense.