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Aemmyjah:
End of case
That makes you gullible if you're a religious person

It kind of makes you gullible...

Because you can believe anything...even when there is not evidence to back it up...

Aemmyjah:
Stupid source
I hear someone say the current president is not Buhari but one Jubrin of Sudan
How do I find the TRUTH?
Is it by reading articles of those that claim it is not Buhari but Jubrin

I am not surprised that you'll go and find such things just as Maynment went to find a book that talks about the activity of a group of people that lived long before Jesus came and worshiped one pagan god and he said those people were the Christians when he Mented brain won't tell him that Christians then had nothing to do with paganism or gods.


What Jaephoenix, the ape doctor does not know is that Josephus was NEVER a Christian or Christian apologist. Some of what he wrote seems to have been altered a bit but he has given evidence that Jesus and John the Baptiser existed
I won't be surprised if you say that Tacitus soeticus and Pliny works were also lies


Atheists think backwards
One said Jesus is not existent only cos of difference in name spelling
Another complained about his color as seen in books
Maynment is just attacking every evidence even contradicting himself
He said Josephus only acknowledge Judas
You say Josephus was lying

The second link you dropped, even the title of the article will tell you that it is a negative one

Forget about what people who have decided that Jesus is a fabrication...

You provide those who met jesus and started the religion, wrote and said about jesus. That will be worth a kings Ransome today...

Just provide your own superior source...

Aemmyjah...we know religion is about faith, not facts.

I am in no way trying to stop you from believing what you believe. I can't take your faith away from you...

But just realise that it is about faith, Not facts...

Aemmyjah:
So someone will pick up professional writing cos of just one man right?
Even if there was, it's about 2000 years now
U are very dumb

Have you not read right from the garden of eden when he promised to send the SEED? Same promise to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, etc but the identity of that seed was a mystery

The Bible foretold his birth as from a virgin and he was to have everlasting rulership and destroying God's enemies and bringing everlasting blessings to obedient mankind and also put to death to pay for transgressions

And yes, the Bible mentions that it was to be a Son of God. You have not read Psalms 2. Have you?

As you make your claim post the relevant quote form the Jewish scriptures so we can confirm...

Psalm 2 is not a prophecy. It is a song written by David and given to the choirmaster to be sung during service.

I don't see any jesus there....how did you pull that out?

God is not a prophet, he can't prophesy about a seed. As the eternal creator of the universe, he was making his judgement....

The virgin birth you and Maxindhouse quote is about Isaiah's son who was a sign for King Ahaz....it was a bout a way that was coming. It was an assurance for the king that his kingdom will not be over run...


So learn to read in context..

All these problem will not arrise.

Aemmyjah:
When you hear of Muhammad, which source to knowing that person comes to mind? What about Confucuis?
If someone wants to know about Jesus Christ (arguably the most influential man of all time), there's where to get to know him and secular historians prove he existed
We are talking about a person that existed about 2000 years ago. How many books do you know was written that period.
Besides, he was a religious figure, not a popular warrior or king that we can expect to see scores of writings that talked about him and he only walked around the Palestinian region
You don't believe in the NT, but you want another source to give proofs of Jesus Christ and his activity
Shame on you
You and Maynment are twins

Looks like you are dumb..

How can somebody who raise the dead

Fed thousand of people with 2 fish and 5 bread

Walked on water

Heal the sick


And nobody wrote anything about all of these?

Common man....

And on top of that, he is a son of God. God did not tell people, like he talked to Moses or Aaron....nobody knew...
All we have are stories written 300+ years later...

Noooo, something does not add up..

FYI God already gave the Israelites his laws.
He never said anything like sending his son to earth...or did he??

Jesus death is not worth 50kobo....

It is as useless and worthless as Festus Keyamo's achievements as minister

Aemmyjah:
His name is Balabu bulaba

I thought as much..

Just tell Maynman that no body actually saw him and you are not even sure if he existed or not, but you choose to believe.....

He will have a better understanding of you...

Aemmyjah:
This African traditional jew has come with his nonsense

For you understanding, there are people who wrote about him but you won't believe. Which one will you believe?

Just post it here...

I will believe he actually existed....

Then we can start discussing what he thought his followers.

What is the name of the person who saw him and heard him talk...

What did he say about him...no need to deflat

You see, God already provided the Israelites with laws so that they live in peace..asper sin, he already provided a solution....confess and forsake I would forgive...and remember your sins no more...I don't think there is any where he ever said he was sending a "son" to come and change his laws and die for sins...No where.
I still don't know where the Romans got that idea from..

But from the little I could gather, I discovered that the people called Christians/chrestisns where actually worshippers of Serapis....and Rome added their ideology at the back of the Jewish holy book to give it some credibility and for propaganda...so sad. They have succeeded in deceiving the world.....

So so sad....to say the least..

Aemmyjah:
All 4 historians wrote or referenced the existence of Jesus


Is it the historical Iesus Chrestus or the historical one?

All this back and fort insult would have been avoided if you presented one person ..just one person who saw him and wrote about it...is it not sad, that the "son of God" would make an appearance and nobody saw him...?

Even if they don't believe in him, what did they say about him. You can't tell me that all the people who are from the 5 leaves and two fish, no one deemed it necessary to write about him...

All what we have are all stories written by anonymous authors. ...

Put this argument to rest by providing just one article from somebody who actually saw him..


And you win the argument..technical knockout

AmeLonRo:
sonmvayina, I like your long comment. It means a lot to me.
My response is simply.
It is written that He came to His own understand His own rejected Him. But as many as receive Him, to them He gave power to become sons and daughters of God.
To enjoy many things He cane to fulfil, one must follow His principles too.
Things are different for those who are believers sir.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8PPiMlBQGA

Just like Kofi Addo wanted to become Nigerian president in 2015 and we did not allow him
He would have been a good president....people still follow his principles....

He came to his own and his own rejected him..but to them that follow his principles, they are good Nigerians...

What did Jesus Christ/Yeshua/Yashua or whatever you want to call him accomplish with his supposed sacrifice?.

Has he brought peace to the world? NOPE!

Did he cancel death? NOPE!

Did it eradicate the diseases? NOPE!

Did he cancel out the evil? NOPE!

Has he cancelled sin? NOPE!

Did he cancel out the misery and pain? NOPE!

Did he bring back paradise? NOPE!

Has he provided us salvation? NOPE!
Instead he said it was spiritual salvation just by believing in him would have eternal life.
But you must accept him
But you must follow your rules
In such a case nothing is free as Paul’s conmands proposes (Ephesians 2:..
And if you have eternal life just for believing in him, why do you need to go to church?
Can't I believe without going to a church and following a pastor?
Anyway I have eternal life, it's more, many prostitutes, drunkards, homicides believe in Him and without devotees.. So if you only need to believe, what makes you different from the other believers who do bad things?
And if you need to act differently than them then 'free salvation' falls only by "grace" that Paul speaks so much.

I KEEP GOING...

Has he brought freedom to the world? NOPE!
NEAR FOUR AND A HALF CENTURIES AFTER HE ALLEGEDLY WENT TO HEAVEN, CHURCH HISTORY IS STAINED WITH BLOOD AND SLAVERY TO THOSE WHO DID NOT ACCEPT THE CHRISTIAN DOGMA.
AH BUT WITH LUTER THE EVANGELISTS APPEAR TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE THE TRUTH AND THE ROMAN CHURCH, NO.
AND THEY TEACH A FREEDOM THAT CENTURIES BEFORE PROTESTANTISM HUMANITY DID NOT LIVE.

I KEEP GOING...

Look after and protect our children? NOPE!

Do you feed honey manna to hungry children? NOPE!

Has our economic condition changed? NOPE!

Did he achieve unity and brotherhood among peoples? NOPE!

Did he really manage to make God known to the world? NOPE!

Where then is the kindness and virtue of his sacrifice?

Where is the great power of His blood and death?.
Within the imagination of human beings.

The world is from time immemorial what it is today, people are still evil, greedy, envious, pleading, murderer, cruel, barbaric, malicious, morbid, without compassion or empathy. "He came to show us with his conduct as we ought to be" and wasn't it better to annul the evil and so the problem was over? since it was the Almighty he had the power to do it, or not.
So he'd rather play the suicide master who condemns those who don't believe in him rather than snap his fingers and evil disappear with it?

On the other hand, he contradicts himself by saying that he did not come to condemn the world but to save it, but at the same time he says that if you do not believe in him, you have already been condemned?
On the other hand he said, I came not to save but the sheep of the house of Israel? Making it clear he intended not to save the world but to the Jews who believed in him. In fact, Jesus called the gentiles DOGS. He actually called them pigs. Don't throw pearls to swine.... said.

So which of these Gospels do I believe?

The truth is, this doesn't make any sense. To come to the world to boast of a few miracles of which only a few Jews came to see, of which no nation around Israel came to know about the existence of a "Savior," which he claimed to save humanity two thousand years later but could not even be known by kings of that time, nor by the poor people outside Israel of that time, or by the people who lived marginalized in territories separated from civilization at that time where that so-called messiah came to bring "love and forgiveness." A few ignorant people who followed him from his own people, limited by his own messiah who told them not to go to gentile peoples. It wasn’t only with the Roman Church that nations around Israel began to know about this “Savior message,” not before. He came into this world to then leave and leave the world in the same deplorable condition they have nothing admirable or commendable, rather I find it a joke in very bad taste.

Inteltower:
There lies your brass ignorance being dependent on the limitations of the senses
And because you don't understand or don't want to understand you prefer your limitation (darkness) rather than going beyond to know the truth

Senses only give facts, wisdom gives truth
Answer this ?

Does wisdom come from your senses ?

Yes it does...

What is the wisdom in believing a woman became pregnant without a man's input?

What did Jesus Christ/Yeshua/Yashua or whatever you want to call him accomplish with his supposed sacrifice?.

Has he brought peace to the world? NOPE!

Did he cancel death? NOPE!

Did it eradicate the diseases? NOPE!

Did he cancel out the evil? NOPE!

Has he cancelled sin? NOPE!

Did he cancel out the misery and pain? NOPE!

Did he bring back paradise? NOPE!

Has he provided us salvation? NOPE!
Instead he said it was spiritual salvation just by believing in him would have eternal life.
But you must accept him
But you must follow your rules
In such a case nothing is free as Paul’s conmands proposes (Ephesians 2:..
And if you have eternal life just for believing in him, why do you need to go to church?
Can't I believe without going to a church and following a pastor?
Anyway I have eternal life, it's more, many prostitutes, drunkards, homicides believe in Him and without devotees.. So if you only need to believe, what makes you different from the other believers who do bad things?
And if you need to act differently than them then 'free salvation' falls only by "grace" that Paul speaks so much.

I KEEP GOING...

Has he brought freedom to the world? NOPE!
NEAR FOUR AND A HALF CENTURIES AFTER HE ALLEGEDLY WENT TO HEAVEN, CHURCH HISTORY IS STAINED WITH BLOOD AND SLAVERY TO THOSE WHO DID NOT ACCEPT THE CHRISTIAN DOGMA.
AH BUT WITH LUTER THE EVANGELISTS APPEAR TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE THE TRUTH AND THE ROMAN CHURCH, NO.
AND THEY TEACH A FREEDOM THAT CENTURIES BEFORE PROTESTANTISM HUMANITY DID NOT LIVE.

I KEEP GOING...

Look after and protect our children? NOPE!

Do you feed honey manna to hungry children? NOPE!

Has our economic condition changed? NOPE!

Did he achieve unity and brotherhood among peoples? NOPE!

Did he really manage to make God known to the world? NOPE!

Where then is the kindness and virtue of his sacrifice?

Where is the great power of His blood and death?.
Within the imagination of human beings.

The world is from time immemorial what it is today, people are still evil, greedy, envious, pleading, murderer, cruel, barbaric, malicious, morbid, without compassion or empathy. "He came to show us with his conduct as we ought to be" and wasn't it better to annul the evil and so the problem was over? since it was the Almighty he had the power to do it, or not.
So he'd rather play the suicide master who condemns those who don't believe in him rather than snap his fingers and evil disappear with it?

On the other hand, he contradicts himself by saying that he did not come to condemn the world but to save it, but at the same time he says that if you do not believe in him, you have already been condemned?
On the other hand he said, I came not to save but the sheep of the house of Israel? Making it clear he intended not to save the world but to the Jews who believed in him. In fact, Jesus called the gentiles DOGS. He actually called them pigs. Don't throw pearls to swine.... said.

So which of these Gospels do I believe?

The truth is, this doesn't make any sense. To come to the world to boast of a few miracles of which only a few Jews came to see, of which no nation around Israel came to know about the existence of a "Savior," which he claimed to save humanity two thousand years later but could not even be known by kings of that time, nor by the poor people outside Israel of that time, or by the people who lived marginalized in territories separated from civilization at that time where that so-called messiah came to bring "love and forgiveness." A few ignorant people who followed him from his own people, limited by his own messiah who told them not to go to gentile peoples. It wasn’t only with the Roman Church that nations around Israel began to know about this “Savior message,” not before. He came into this world to then leave and leave the world in the same deplorable condition they have nothing admirable or commendable, rather I find it a joke in very bad taste.

Whether jesus lived or not should not concern us.
We where living in Africa, in our communities and developing at our own pace before they came to interrupt our history with their slavery.....

Then they gave us thier religion so that we will forgive them for the evil they commited against our ancestors...

Instead of our people to wake up and understand what is going on, they are busy enslaving their people with the same bull shit...

They left their heritage and roots, they even went ahead to demonize it...and they hope to make progress or have peace...

In which planet does that happen?

If there was any power in jesus or in the name the white slave master will never share it with the slaves...

They only did that to have free access to our land and resources. While we look up waiting for a dirty Jewish man to come and rapture us , they are busy stealing our resources and building their heaven..


Black man wake up...

Enough said.

Some people just believe that white people can't lie.....
And can't do no wrong...

If not, why would a sane human being believe that crap?

lendahand:
point is light is superior and that's why men do lightings after building their houses because they can't afford to stay in darkness. Most cities in civilized countries worldwide are lighted up 24/7 and you can hardly tell when the night creeps up. You can never snuff out light by any amount of darkness but darkness gets snuffed out with just the emanation of light no matter the size.

We all need light and not darkness...

Hmm..

It is God who created both because we need them to survive. Without darkness you can't survive beyond 72 hours.

Light and darkness are not opposing forces

They are complimentary....

TenQ:
Then you still have a lot to learn!
Cheers!!

Lol....

You just don't want to believe you have wasted your whole life believing a lie...

Be clutching on straws..

Inteltower:
sin is an intention/act committed contrary to the will God; the way he made things to work/respond
the life you are living was never yours to begin with
everything you see in life follows a chain of unseen laws, you and i cannot deny that
so when something/someone goes against certain moral laws of functioning as a human being it is called sin
when an order is displaced you get disorder until that order is restored back


sin is a behaviour, it is spirit
get understanding
for these words are deep and not plain

How does all these make any sense to you?

lendahand:
yes oo light must triumph over darkness.

But at 8pm in the evening darkness will come back

And by 7 am in the morning light will come...

Nobody is winning..

We need both to survive...

We all spent 9 month in darkness in our mother's womb..

Abi, I lie?

Inteltower:
close that your mouth

isnt sin evident all around us that emanates from man
so because exposed what sin is you have nothing meaningful but to be against them

your kind loves darkness more than light
Sin is the main problem of all men if you cant acknowledge that i dont have time for you

What is sin?

If jesus actually existed which I doubt strongly.
If he died, just like every other man that dies..

His spirit will return to God.
And his body will be buried for it to return to dust from which it was made.

If he was in coma, and he got up 3 days later, which is possible...then he can continue his life till God takes his breath.....and his body decays and turns to dust...

TenQ:
Simple Questions:
Historically were Christians persecuted and tortured for their faith?
What was their faith?

You heard about this persecution from Christus sources..

Tell me what non Christian or the people who did the persecution said about it....

nero2face:
how did u know ur a male or female ?

He get big preeq,

What do you call people with preeq?

OLAADEGBU:
So you have no evidence for your spurious claim?

There is no evidence that there was a jesus...

OLAADEGBU:
Where is His physical body?

Or maybe there was no body to begin with.....

You do know there is a firmament (done) over the earth, nothing can come in and nothing can go out...the earth is a closed system..

Jahlivesforever:
Testimony of those who saw him.

You believe that the earth moves round the sun. Have you seen it?

But you believe the testimony of Galileo because he saw.

Besides, just seek personally for your self

Mention one person that actually saw him and what he wrote down...

Not stories written 300+ years later...

omojeesu:
*Evidence that demands a verdict*:

1. *The OT predicted* His incarnation, birth, life & ministry, *arrest, mockings, torture, execution, resurrection & ascension*. They are *many, over 300* of them. However, the *source* of them is *Genesis 3:15* - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; *it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel*.

2. *Jesus predicted His own death & resurrection*

Mark
10:32 And they were in the way *going up to Jerusalem*; and Jesus went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. And he took again the twelve, and *began to tell them what things should happen unto him*,

10:33 Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and _the Son of man_ *shall be delivered* unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and *they shall condemn him to death*, and *shall deliver him to the Gentiles*:

10:34 And *they shall mock him*, and shall *scourge him*, and shall *spit upon him*, and shall *kill him*: and *the third day he shall rise again*.

3. *Fulfilments*

a) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, *he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost* - John 19:30

b) Mark
16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: *Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here*: behold the place where they laid him.

16:7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that *he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you*.

c) Mark
16:9 Now *when Jesus was risen* early the first day of the week, *he appeared first to Mary Magdalene*, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

16:12 *After that* he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

16:14 *Afterward* he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and *upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen*.

d) *The testimony of Apostle Paul*

1 Corinthians
15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that *Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures*;

15:4 And that he was *buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures*:

15:5 And that he was *seen* of Cephas, then of the twelve:

15:6 *After that*, he was *seen of above five hundred brethren at once*; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

15:7 *After that*, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

15:8 And *last of all he was seen of me also*, as of one born out of due time.

e) *Revelation Declaration by Jesus*

Revelation
1:12 And *I turned to see the voice that spake with me*. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

1:13 And *in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man*, *clothed* with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a *golden girdle*.

1:14 His *head and his hairs* were white like wool, as white as snow; and his *eyes* were as a flame of fire;

1:15 And his *feet* like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his *voice* as the sound of many waters.

1:16 And he had in his right *hand* seven stars: and out of his *mouth* went a sharp twoedged sword: and his *countenance* was as the sun shineth in his strength.

1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, *Fear not; I am the first and the last*:

1:18 I am *he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore*, Amen; and *have the keys of hell and of death*.

4. *The Call! The Invitation*

Jesus said unto her, *I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live*: - John 11:25

5. Finally, *have you received Jesus into your life? If you have not, please do so today! He loves you! I do too!*

Where are the old testament prophesies?

Jahlivesforever:
It's not true. Jesus is a historical figure. You can still go and verify it today. Besides, your date confeses that Jesus is a historical figure. He was born on our world.

We are in 2023. There has been 2023 before.


So we have 2023 BC and 2023 AD

BC and AD is before Jesus Christ and after Jesus Christ.

Simple history should solve your problem if you are sincere.

The same men (Catholic church) who created the jesus character are still the same people who changed time......

What do you actually know?

Did God ever tell any prophet that he had a son he was sending as a sin sacrifice to himself ? Did any prophet say the Messiah will be a "son of God"?

That idea is not in the Jewish scriptures, so where did the Catholic get it from?

jesusjnr2020:
He said it himself in the same book or haven't you seen where he said it or you don't believe it was he who said it? John 21:24

Said what himself...?

He never said he was the disciple jesus loved..

Lazarus is another candidate for the disciple jesus loved...

Imagine after WW3 everything destroyed and billions are dead all knowledge gone and 200 years later someone discover Superman comics and start building a religion around it , calling God jor El and his son Superman who was the savior 200 years before and after 2000 years billions of people worship this Yor el through Superman and one person stands up and says that all is a lie , there was no such person as Superman who could fly . He will be seen as a heretic.

That is what is happening now with the jesus story..

AgentNairaland:
The blood of the Lamb Bible says is not your Egyptian Lamb god. The blood of the Lamb in the Bible is powerful than your Egyptian lamb god dat couldn't saved the first child of your people in Egypt when Pharaoh refused to let the Israelites go

You still don't understand anything..

The lamb was slaughtered and the blood, smeared on the door step of the Israelites so that the angel of the lord will passover the house of the Israelites....the lamb was used because the lamb was the personification of the highest deity of the Egyptian....they where showing the Egyptian that they where not scared of them.....and their God was the only God...


The lamb has got nothing to do with the God of the Israelites...
The "lamb of god" is referring to the god of the Egyptian, not the Israelites..


Christianity incorporated the lamb to their religion. Probably to entice the Egyptian into the new religion......

Christianity is just rebranded paganism...