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Kimbeast:
The black on black argument is a logical fallacy in my opinion. How black people treat each other has nothing to do with whether police should be able to kill them with impunity. Intraracial violence is about as common among white people as it is among black people. Black murder victims were killed by black perpetrators about 91% of the time from 2009 to 2013, white victims were killed by white perpetrators about 83% of the time according to FBI database

All violence and crime is about proximity, Calling it 'black-on-black crime' is an unnecessary specification."

Crime rates in poor black neighborhoods are often high because of concentrated poverty, lack of investment and low employment and education prospects, the concept of black on black crime attributs the problem to blackness itself, rather than the societal factors that cause any group to commit crimes against people who live near them.

The majority of African Americans live in impoverished areas of the United States, in places where jobs are hard to find, and education is poorly funded.
We think black culture is the problem, but guns and drugs are not black culture, theyre the culture of desperation and poverty. White people when faced with the same situations have just as many problems with violence and drugs.

Black communities have faced a lot leading to poor education, lack of job options, and incarceration. Fix those and we fix the problem of "black culture." Which is to say, the culture of poverty, not actual black culture, which itself is harmless and just culture.

Kimbeast:
I disagree with most here and I could write an essay on them but I will just focus on the hip-hop and Rap part. It's true that a lot of mainstream rap today revolves around either drugs or crime/gang activity, but rap as a whole don't glorify these things. Only a small subset of rappers do. One can point to many mainstream rappers who don't glorify drugs/violence, but rather use their music to report on what happens in their communities and comment on these things. Focusing on rap's depictions of these things kinda misses the point. rap is street journalism, so their music will reflect the communities they come from. Therefore, the prominence of the drug and the violence that comes from it is not because of rap; rather, rap depicts those things because that's how life is for many people in their communities.
I remember watching a documentary about "making it" as a rapper, and I remember they asked these rappers, both aspiring ones and stars, about why there were so many depictions of violence, drugs, and the like. Their answer?Because that's what the record companies want you to say. The record companies wanted to sell as many records as possible, and they saw that they could sell the most records if they involved drugs, sex, violence, etc. Why? Because that was the kind of rap that white people bought the most. In fact, white people are the main consumers of rap music, not blacks.

The bold is a very good point. It is hard to get this across to people who only see hip-hop as it's portrayed through the usual outlets.

Kimbeast:
I still remember before the 98 world cup how the entire competition was built around a young Delima Ronaldo leading his country and boy he didn't disappoint. He tore the entire tournament to shreds. The fact that the world has seen Maradonna but still rave about a young Ronaldo should tell everyone how ridiculous talented he was. The first mover advantage don't ever Carry weight when the world has seen the exploits of Maradona coupled with other great players around that era as well.

This is Mourinho speaking about a 19yr old Ronaldo. At 19 he was already the best player in the world.

"Ronaldo, El Fenomeno. Cristiano Ronaldo and Leo Messi have had longer careers, they have remained at the top every day for 15 years.
"However, if we are talking strictly about talent and skill, nobody surpasses Ronaldo [Nazario]. When he was at Barcelona with Bobby Robson, I realised that he was the best player I'd ever seen take to the field.
"Injuries killed a career that could have been even more incredible, but the talent that that 19-year-old boy had was something incredible."

Thunder fire injuries.

Kimbeast:
Well people have seen maradonna and his exploits plus other great players as well before Ronaldo so first mover argument don't cut it. Ronaldo was not goal shy. He had over 200career goals at the age of 23. Messi at that same age don't come close. That's why we always say injury ruined his career.
Like someone pointed out before even Suarez banged 59goals playing for Barcelona yet he has nothing on Fat Ron. Place Fat Ron in one of those Messi teams and he drop exactly those figures if not more.

LMFAO......What bullshit first mover advantage is that guy is talking about lol. Ronaldo was doing at 19/20 what Messi was doing at 23 and Cronaldo 26. Without the injuries, the greatest player ever. With the injuries, he is only 2nd to Maradona.

Kimbeast:
Messi from 18 to 22 was not talked about in the same breathe or feared by defenders as DeLima Ronaldo was. Ronaldo at 19 was considered by most to be the best player in the world. Messi and DeLima are great players but when it comes to naturally ability and talent then Delima is number 1.

I said it previously. No footballer in the history of soccer has more naturally ability and talent than Ronaldo.

Swissh:
I have no doubt in my mind that put Injury free and prime DeLima Ronaldo in those teams Messi has enjoyed over the years at Barcelona he will score more than Messi/Cristiano ever did. Even Luis Suarez was scoring 59goals at barca, what a luxury for any player to enjoy.

I have talked on this before. Fenomeno with a world class team was banging in 8goals at the world cup. It's scary to think the kind of havoc and numbers Ronaldo will wreck with those Barca teams.

iamoyindamola:
Really
He must be a god

LMFAO......Bro we are talking about DeLima Ronaldo, of course he is a god in the Football universe. . The only player better than DeLima is Maradonna and if not for injuries he would have surpassed him.

iamoyindamola:
Why should he do that

Its blasphemy. No footballer is talented than De Lima Ronaldo. Who is Messi?

Godx:
Messi is more talented than De Lima.

LMFAO....You better delete this.

Godx:
Abilities alone

The real ronaldo: only 2nd to Messi in terms of talent
Ronaldinho
Cristiano

LMFAO......De Lima Ronaldo is not 2nd to anybody in the history of football in terms of talent/abilities.

nitrogen:
Hehe, I am not a bush god, you already told me what I need to hear. See my initial post below:



See what your response was:



I just proved to you that Liverpool's midfield is the weakest of the three departments.

All the departments compliment each other perfectly. Liverpool midfield do their job perfectly which set the tune for both the attackers and defenders to operate perfectly. Why do you think Trent and Robertson bomb forward all the time. We have already discussed this here before.

spillo1:
LMFAO....Midfield is the most important part of the pitch for any team. Doesn't matter how good your attackers or defenders are, if you can't control the middle of the pitch you won't win consistently.

And Liverpools midfield is the epitome of consistent domination at the moment. They are so well drilled, so intelligent and fit. There was a moment towards the end where Henderson and Gini both sprinted the length of the pitch to counter attack, they were both the furthest back and then the furthest forward in like the 80th minute. I hope I am wrong but I see Liverpool burning out by next season.

Godx:
Obasanjo, Babangida , Buhari, Abdulsalam and infact all the senior ranking government officials in the military era. Those people are the real O.G and will be seating on bastard money. Abacha death didn't give him time to cover his tracks.

LMFAO.....Babangida stole $12b through the Gulf War Oil Price Windfall”. He is the biggest criminal of them all. There is a reason IBB is seen as the body of legalized corruption.

Kimbeast:
He even called Porto the biggest team in Portugal lol.

LMFAO......It's obvious he doesn't know anything.

raumdeuter:
WHat is ludicrous about it? Mourinho like Pep started coaching in Portugal his home country

Mourinho coached the biggest team in Portugal, Pep coached the 2nd biggest team in Spain

So why should Pep have to go to the best team Holland and you are not demanding that Mourinho goes to the best team in Belgium(Anderlecht) to win a CL

My Friend spare us your melodrama . It's only in your widest dreams that winning the Champions league with Porto and Barca are even comparable The audacity you have to type some rubbish here is commendable.

Godx:
Spot on about Robben. Immediately a defender commits to him,two seconds he has shifted and is sending a curler at the near post. He became a one trick pony.

Left footed wingers are always the trickiest to mark especially the very good ones.

High praise for Rashford from Damien.

Godx:
Yes he was that good at Southampton but their was just little media concentration on him. Their is a reason Liverpool paid 75million for him in the first place.

You actually have a point. I remember most top sides were ready to pay 60/70million for him before going to Liverpool.

hensben:
So you are just knowing Raumdeuter, the guy rates players in an unprofessional way hence his inconsistency when analyzing football. Ramos has that fighting spirit but he is tactically average as a Centre back.

LMFAO......Well you are the ones who gives the small boy the attention that his making him thinks his opinion about a particular player means anything.

Kimbeast:
I don't know why you are showing me this. I have watched him deal with Traore and Mbappe effortless. Never did I mentioned he has not been outpaced before in his career. I have watched Van dijk enough to know my opinion about him and he is the best defender in the world currently. I don't need you to tell or show me anything.

It's not even a thing you debate with anyone. Van Dijk is the best and most complete defender in the world. He is better than the others by some distance. He is one of those players who makes you want to sack your recruiting department. What were they doing and how did they miss him. It’s infuriating how easy everything is for him. I had no idea he was this good when he was at Southampton.

pkasso:
They say Madrid's midfield and fullbacks leaves the defence exposed. The same midfield that has a destroyer in Casemiro and a safety-first, risk-averse Kroos. Tell us another story. Even Modric the little guy puts in his fair share of defensive work.

Marcelo is the only defensive liability in that backline. Carvajal's defense is very good for an attacking fullback. The guy's tenacity and aggression is something else.

Even before Zidane, Ramos has always had ample protection in front of him. Under Mourinho, there was the double pivot of Alonso and Khedira shielding him. The two Diarras, Gago, Essien etc.Even before Carvajal, he had Arbeloa, a RB who played more like a third CB supporting him in defense.

So why are they trying to make it seem like Ramos is the only one defending at Real Madrid?

That guy with the Raum moniker is terrible. I pity those that take him seriously. Writing Silly and school boy excuses to defend Ramos.

raumdeuter:
How many does Henderson have in the same 4yrs?

LMFAO........Guy you are terrible.

raumdeuter:
Kroos since 2016/17
15 goals 41 assists contribution to goal 56

Wijnaldum since 2016/17
18goals 16 assists contribution to goal 34

Henderson since 2016/17
6 goals 16 assists contribution to goal 22

Modric since 2016/17
12 goals 26 assists contribution to goal 38

ibeme I am waiting for the goalpost to shift now

LMFAO........Kroos 15goals in 4 years , modric 12 goals in 4years. That's the goal stats of the midfielders that bomb forward and are the reasons Madrid defense is useless. Clap for yourself.

LMFAO.....Who are those midfielders in Madrid that bomb forward that exposes their defense? Casemiro? Kroos, Modric? If so, what are their goal stats for the last 4 years? What am I reading here.

qreem231:
Tough one really.

I'd go with 07/08 tho. The trio of Tevez, Rooney and Ronaldo is just too deadly. They will definitely outscore the treble winners.

That's if Stam and Keane don't break their legs.

Galactico4ever:
Fact still remains he has been in FIFA and UEFA team of the year more times than any defender from your team,plus he's been carrying the Spanish national Team those 8yrs.

LMFAO......... @ the bold. What are you saying Bro? The Spanish national team has not played Shiite for 3 consecutive tournaments in a role and their defense has been a major factor. Please stop.

Swissh:
I very much preferred the Puyol and Ramos dragging. Spillo1 come and drop more about them using Phil Jones, eph12 greatest player as reference

LMFAO....

Godx:
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He does that in a smart way, cutting off the angles and basically forcing the attacker into a bad choice. He is incredible in 1 vs 1 situations. Committing to the tackle is for guys who aren't confident of their ability to force a striker into a bad position. i can smell your hatred for him all through your post. You have sworn never to admit anything about him so let's just end it. I don't like people that can never be objective.

LORD.......I wish I can like the bold a million times. What a perfect explanation. Last season Van dijk attempted 38 tackles and came out with a perfect score of not being dribbled past. What Van Dijk does is ensure that he is not fully exposed by commiting recklessly, and he instead looks to stay with his man, force a decision, intercept or block the ball. This highlights his superb reading of the game and near-flawless defending. Ferdinand was similar. He used to go on many matches without committing a foul, 30+ games sometimes, because he didn't have to engage attackers physically to shut them down.

kendrick93:
Are you saying he's the same as Sergio Ramos but with less red cards?

LMFAO.....Ramos, Puyol are descent defenders at best with poor positioning ability that's why they are caught out of positions regularly and always lunging into tackles recklessly. Some of their defensive mishaps would have Phil Jones shaking his head. But I actually like Ramos.
As Defenders i dont consider them as good as their trophy cabinet might say.
However as players, captains and what they bring to their various teams they make up for their faults as defenders.

popizaino:
You think the dribble from Dimaria will erase the fact that he was an excellent defender? His accolades speaks for him. Whatever you think your perfect kind of defender was good at Puyol was definitely better at it. Be it on air, composure on the ball and defensive organisation Puyol was excellent at it all.

LMFAO.......Bro rest I watched Puyol all through his prime. His reputation is all about his winning mentality and fighting spirit not his ability as a defender. He is massively overrated and his positional sense is very poor, which forces him to lunge into tackles and do last-ditch tackles, which people self-service themselves silly over, despite it being a result of his bad positioning. He is Caragher with a little more brain.

popizaino:
Lol. I was actually agreeing with your previous points before you decided to include the bolded.


Puyol garbage
Stop this joke

LMFAO.....Yes Puyol positioning was absolute garbage. For anybody to rate Puyol more than just a decent defender is delusional.

raumdeuter:
Organizing is what all top defenders can do. Its now left if when called to act and get stuck can you do it without faltering or you will be running from attackers like VVD and Rio

Boateng Nesta, Canavaro Maldidni, Ramos, Puyol, Pique Vidic Carvalho can all organize and can still excel in getting stuck in, Its useless defenders that claim their key strenght is organizing defence

LMFAO.....Sorry I had to come back to this. Is that puyol I am seeing lmao. Puyol that couldn't read a game to save his life and his positioning was garbage. Puyol the Spanish Carrager and last ditch tackle merchant. Small boy are you even up to 20.

Expert17:
He is not good Leeds united paid 18m (Transfer record), made captain at 21 years old,....... left for Manchester United 2002 @ 30m, breaking the transfer fee again....

From this range 1992-2013........ 2003 - 2006 was fergie worst time @ united because of those stupid keepers and defenders .......P.neville, Heinze, Howard, Caroll etc

It's baffling the length people will go to sell their agenda. Unlike Vidic who was the last piece of a world class defense, Ferdinand found himself the main man in a very weak defense. Mick was a poor man's Rojo, our goalkeepers were garbage, Blanc was finished, Oshea was blowing hot and cold and Wes brown had a long term relationship with the treatment room. The only two solid
defenders that were manageable was Neville and Heinze,