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MzMayD:
*smiles**
Just think of the possibility of that happening to you

It ain't all bad

Wayo... Mention me when you make the first step.

MzMayD:
Ego ego ego.....

Not even by a loved one who couldn't wait to spend the rest of her life with you so decided to hasten things up....?

Come on sometimes we compromise just to be with that special one

Hmmmm... Now you're tryna box me into a corner.

Perhaps, if you give it a compromised, I may as well give it a second thought...

MzMayD:
*smiles***

It ain't that bad, tho I can't make such move on a guy but really it all depends on individual's perspective of life.

You sound like a typical Nigerian guy . Not one of these hypocrites throwing shades at ladies who hold contrary to their views.

Agree. Well, I wouldn't say I'm a typical Nigerian guy per se in this matter, but one whose ego can't be toyed with...

MzMayD:
Since we are all entitled to our opinions Its no argument.

But seeing guys' replies on this thread one would have thought all guys want to be proposed to

Not at all. Frankly speaking, the idea of a woman proposing to me is really sickening...

Indeed, he's loved by all and hated by some misguided idiots! As for coming back, GEJ ain't coming back to Nigerians dirty politics- he's too refined for the system.

MzMayD:
care to elucidate on your point?

Simple. I'm a man whose ego can't be bruised this way. To me, it is a case of "Thank you for wanting to, but please, this is my job- not yours".

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DelGardo:
That's how you do it. Specify, shop, inspect, test, order, deliver, inspect again, pay and use.

Under GEJ you will hear billions were spent to buy arms but you will not hear a word about process steps taken nor see a picture of arms supplied.

If you talk wailers will say it was top secret.

Never again shall we load cash into private planes and make kurukere moves in the name of buying arms.

Change!

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You this boy, will you stop spewing bunches of nonsense Oya take am....

I don't know about you guys. But personally, I wouldn't tolerate this shit!

When I know that this report doesn't reflect the anaconda in-between my legs, I'd just be like...

Idydarling:
na wa ooo





#Teamvirgin

Virgin kor... virgin Mary ni...

Mbaka should go and sit down, and stop using God's name in his guess works!

These questions are misplaced ones.

The right question to ask is: Why Did God Create Man In other word, Why Do I Exist

Interestingly enough, life is only meaningful when this most important question is answered.

sarrki:
Baba is definitely doing is best

Also trying to set the record straight

That Gej failed woefully

Will you stop spewing bunches of nonsense?

So in your head, Buhari has succeeded fantastically? Apparently, you're a toddler.

The evils that men do lives after them. Weep not for this government; they're simply reaping their reward!

naijadeyhia, seems you guys really have time to waste on those deluded lot called "atheists". I for once have never had time for their bunches of nonsense.

DoctorAlien:
The question still remains:

If no man has seen GOD at any time, who was the GOD of Israel which the Israelites saw?

Brother, be mindful of this admonition: "Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels" (2 Timothy 2:23). This reminder becomes necessary, having seen that after all the well articulated explanations offered on this topic/issue, some people (preoccupied with preconceived ideas) are hell bent on keeping their traditions.

It is so unfortunate that these lot are still battling with the understanding of Jesus. For example, if they claimed that Acts 3:13 excludes or differentiate Jesus entirely as a different Person from the God that the patriarchs worshiped and served, of what sense will they make of 1 Cor. 10:4

I tell you without mincing words, they are hypocrites and ignoramuses whose sole interest is not learning and keeping the truth, but keeping of traditions—long held cherished beliefs. Like the scripture says, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God, in order to keep your tradition!" (Mark 7:9). Indeed, these people have fine ways of rejecting the truths in order to keep what their organization taught them.

Here's my humble advice. Let them be, they're not worth it.

In fact, comparing GEJ & Buhari both as person(s) and presidents is an insult on the former!

Like the op have asked zombies: Why is it that Nigeria is on auto-recession whenever Buhari is in power

Barristter07:
Splinz



you are right a careless reading seems to suggest that Jesus was merely a servant of God that was glorified

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But that's not the issue here [/size] . the issue here and which was prevented from that verse is this : that scripture differentiate Jesus from the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob also known as the God of old testament . which contradict your stance that Jesus is that same God of old testament . whereas Jesus was clearly separated from the God of Old testament in Act 3:13.




like I said earlier, why Jesus isn't just a servant is not an issue here.

The point is : Why should the Bible differentiate Jesus as separate Jesus from the God of Our Fathers , does that not contradict your stance ?

My dear, I think you're not reading nor understanding what you responded to.

I mean, it's so obvious. What you called "issues" are no issue at all! Please, go back and read. And this time, look up and start from where I talked of "The Real Beginning".

GrizzlyBear, may the LORD give you peace. God bless you my brother.

Obaseki or whatever is your name, will you keep quiet and enjoy your caretaker post

"The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus..." (Acts 3:13)


The above scripture sets the tone for our next discussion. Here, we see that the "God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob" glorified His servant Jesus. No doubt, a careless reading of this verse seems to suggest that Jesus was merely a servant of God that was "glorified".

Yes, it is true that Jesus was a servant of God while on earth—He prayed and relied on God for all of His needs. Even the messages He brought was from God, same with all His miracles—everything!

Some people, because of Jesus dependency on God for everything, often laughed off the idea that is He is God too. One among some of the questions they asked is: "How can God pray to God"?. Indeed, why did He (God) prayed to another God

I have already confidently asserted and established according to scriptures that Jesus is the same God that the patriarchs worshiped and served (1 Cor. 10:4). Also, having thoroughly dealt with the Person of God as it is and was in the beginning, Acts 3:13 becomes self-explanatory!

Why Jesus Needed Another God

Before His eventual birth as flesh and blood human, prophecies were given about His coming (Isaiah 7:14), and He was to be known as the son/servant of God (Luke 1:32, Deuteronomy 18:18). Now, since His birth was of divine origin—of the holy spirit, it then becomes clear as to why God claimed responsibility—fatherhood, of the child, since His (Jesus) mission on earth was a mutual agreement between the two to save their creation—man, from eternal death.

What Changed?

What really changed in Jesus as "an eternal God Being" and a "son/servant of God"? What was the missing link? How did an all-powerful God suddenly becomes a helpless, puny and needy man? Lets find out what happened—what changed.

Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross (Philippians 2:6-8, RSV).

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross! (New International Version)

Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. (New Living Translation)

I quoted these three translation for clarity purpose—to grasp the amazing understanding here! Jesus, though being God, had to emptied His glory as God having found Himself as a man! It was only right for Him to do so, since man is man and God is God—never both. However, the only difference between Jesus and other men was that He was of divine origin and full of the holy spirit right from birth.

So, it was this emptiness—relinquish of powers, to His better-half (God the Father), that made Jesus became a son/servant of God! And note that He did this thing of His own accord! (John 10:18). Now, there are two possible reasons for this emptiness: (1). To successfully complete His mission on earth, which is supremely to die for the sins of the world. (2). To fulfill prophecies. Having earlier described God, it is now very easy to understand their relationship—purely love based. In fact, it is only when you understand the relationship between these two Personages (God), that you can successfully love anyone!

So friends, I believed that I've successfully lay bare the misunderstanding and seemingly contradictions regarding Jesus preexistence and sonship. Armed with this understanding, we can better appreciate Jesus for who He is, and the supreme sacrifice He paid for mankind. I tell you, nobody would wield such an enormous and unfettered powers as Jesus did, only to relinquish it and suffer in the hands of puny men—His own creation! But He did it after all, for you and I! Little wonder then why "He was highly exalted and given a name that is above every other name, that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:9-11). Glory be to God!

Finally, even if this understanding is still veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing (2 Cor. 4:3).

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Barristter07
MizJanet

There's nothing honest about this thread. You're simply looking for an opportunity to start another round of useless wrangling that benefits no one.

If I were you, I'd rather devote more time to atheism and how you think in your head that the world will be better with it. I think this will be a more rewarding venture to you as a person, than meddling in what concerns you not.

Barristter07:
I will be expecting your explanation on the said verse

Hello my brother, like I did said I'd create time to answer mischievous questions originally thrown by MizJanet, followed by you. I said mischievously and indeed insincerely asked because you lot bluntly ignored the many other biblical truths establishing Jesus Godhood from the beginning, and instead settles on only that which suits your belly. I tell you, learning this way breeds what some people called "contradictions and confusions in the bible", where there's none. Cheery-picking the word of God this way leads to denial and hypocrisy!

It is my hope that you'd put aside all preconceived ideas & what you've been taught in JW, and be noble in character like the Berean who received the word in all eagerness and searched the scriptures to see if those things taught them by Paul was true (Acts 17:11).

First, before proceeding, I'd like to quickly talk on "God". Who or what exactly is God Understanding the Person of God is very important at this point, even though the OP has addressed the issue already.

The Real Beginning

Genesis means “beginning.” Most people assume this is where one learns of the beginning of God’s revealed knowledge. The true beginning of all things—where the account of God’s creation really starts—is not found in Genesis 1. It is found in the New Testament, in John 1. This is where the Bible records who or what existed before the creation recorded in Genesis.

Here is how John writes of the earliest time the Bible records: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things [“the universe” – Moffatt translation of same word in Hebrews 1:2] were made by Him; and without Him was not ANYTHING made that was made” (1:1-3). This is all-encompassing.

But who is “the Word”? John answers a few verses later: “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth” (vs. 14).

In the original Greek, the term “the Word” actually means “Spokesman.” While Christ only became the Son of God at His human birth, He was an eternal Being—He was “without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life” (Heb. 7:3).

Plainly, these verses speak of Jesus Christ both before and after His human birth. Only one God Being “became flesh and dwelt among us.” But verse 1 reveals more! Notice it says that Christ, the Word, “was” God and was also “with” God. This can only be possible if TWO separate Beings are being described. These TWO eternal Beings—Personages—existed before any of the physical universe had been created. They existed from the beginning and earlier.

“There is one God,” the apostle James wrote (Jms. 2:19). “God” in Old Testament Hebrew is Elohim, a collective noun that can be used in both singular and plural forms, such as with “sheep, deer, cattle, offspring, series, species, equipment, aircraft” and other terms. It was Elohim who said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness” (Gen. 1:26). One God—one divine family, or kingdom—comprised of two individual Members, contrary to a false doctrine of the trinity. Notice the three bold words and you'd see that more than One Person was involved in the creation account.

God and the Word (who was also God) never argued, never debated, never worked against each other, but instead lived and worked together in perfect unison, harmony and peace throughout eternity.

In the book of Amos, God asks a rhetorical question: “Can two walk together, except they be agreed?” (3:3).

The answer is an obvious “no.” God and the Word were able to “walk together” without contention because they always agreed with each other.

But how?

One had to take the lead and make the final decisions. Think of the sign on Nigeria President Buhari's desk: “The buck stops here.” The Other—the Word (logos in Greek)—represented God, serving as divine “Spokesman” for God’s kingdom, following, supporting and carrying out God’s commands. One led; the other followed His lead. Yet they were both equally God, in character and power. Their relationship reflected government in action.

For example, the two Beings in the Godhead had a “profession”: creating, planning, designing, building and sustaining. In this regard, each Member of the God Family had a role to play. The One whom we know today as the Father was the executive decision-maker. The Word served as Counselor and implementer—the One who made the decisions happen, via the power of the Holy Spirit.

Both Beings worked together in one mindset. There was no room for envy, pride or selfish ambition, for God is love (I John 4:16)—and love “is kind; [it] envies not…vaunts not itself, is not puffed up, does not behave itself unseemly, seeks not her own, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil; rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth…[Love] never fails” (I Cor. 13:4-6, .

A lot of space and time has been taken to describe and make clear the 'Person of God'. This thorough understanding was absolutely necessary—to know Jesus background prior His time on earth. Now, with this understanding, I'd now proceed to explain why Jesus couldn't function as "God" in full glory while on earth—why He depended on the other God (Father) for everything.

I'd be back shortly...

Berlynn:
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a lot of us believe in this concept that Jesus is the son of God why some thinks Jesus is God..


Was Jesus God? If so, to whom did he pray tp? Who resurrected him? Are you saying he did not really die?

Answer
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

The above clearly shows Jesus is the Word made flesh. That He is God incarnate. Then we have:

Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. (John 14:9-14:20)

The above passage clearly tells us that the Son dwells in the Father, and the Father in the Son, that is they are ONE Jesus is the father the son and the holy spirit!


To whom did Jesus pray to?

Jesus prayed to His Heavenly Father of course. One person to another, yet the same deity. This is obviously very difficult, perhaps even impossible, to fully comprehend for the human mind, though. However, one must bear in mind that God is infinitely much more than we can possibly understand. God is infinite, and we mortals are merely finite. There is no ratio between the finite and the infinite, and as such the two are beyond comparison. In the passage I quoted above from John 14, Jesus asks Philip to believe that he is in the Father and that the Father is in him. He asks him to have faith in this truth, and therefore we should not reject it, even if we cannot understand it.

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Nice one Berlynn. These things are only confusing to ignoramuses.

Apparently, Fashola's occasional madness has started. SMH for these losers.

Barristter07:
Splinz



A popular quote says a Chain is only as strong as its weakest link

Rather than insulting those who present Act 3:13 to you ( with what I read in that verse , it logically destroy this thread) , can you just kindly explain that scripture for proper clarification ?

That's no insult, it's simply answering her accordingly.

I can discern a true seeker and one who simply want to scoff. I'm not cut out for useless wrangling.

Acts 3:13 doesn't destroy anything, but is in perfect harmony with the rest of scripture!

However, for the sake of those who sincerely seeks to understand the seemingly contradictions (not that there's any), I'd devote time towards clearing the confusion when I'm less busy.

MizJanet:


Is your Bible contradicting itself ?

But Act 3 vs 13 says Jesus is just a servant of the God of the old testament , Is the Bible confuse ?

It's either you're lacking in comprehension skills or simply drooling in foolery.

Piece of advice. Go and sharpen your comprehension skills, or better still, go back and read my post for at least five(5) times.

Very simple. I'd simply sell off the country, organize a very fantastic party for all Nigerians (owambe things) thanking them for their actions and inaction. And finally, share the proceed and bid everyone goodbye and wish them happy citizenship in their country of choice.

CANTICLES:
lol, I asked you If Jesus is God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob and you replied " YES" only for you to claim the Father is also the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob.

then how many God did Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have ? TWO? did Abraham , Isaac and Jacob even know Jesus ? .

Show me where Jesus is called God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?


to whom does that title belong ? if you can answer this , you can conveniently identify the God of the Jews , "the God of our fathers" Act 3:13

Hello Canticles, you're more of a scoffer—ignorant fellow than a teacher. If you're disagreeing with the op's position and wish to enlighten him, there're standards that befits and suits a teacher, which the apostle Paul communicated to Timothy. Here, "And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kindly to everyone, an apt teacher, patient, correcting opponents with gentleness..." (2 Timothy 24-25). But regrettably, you're running foul of these instructions by trying to ridicule him, and worse still, also ignorantly & confidently making assertions without understanding either what you're saying or the things about which you assert (1 Timothy 1:6-7).

Now, the crux of the matter. The op has conveniently established that Jesus is the same as God of the old testament, and I absolutely agrees with him because it is simply the truth!

did Abraham , Isaac and Jacob even know Jesus ?

Absolutely yes! Here's the proof: “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they [ancient Israel] drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ” (I Cor. 10:4). Again, this is one unmistakably proof among many others, that the God the patriarchs served and worshiped was Jesus Christ! What can be plainer than this, or do you still need more proofs?

You can't cheery-pick scriptural verses that seems to suit your belly in this matter, and bluntly ignored the many other verses that runs contrary, examples are (John 1:1-3, 14, Hebrews 1:8-10, 7:3, etc). Ignoring these truths and focusing only on Jesus earthly life breeds contradictions (where there's none), confusion, denial and hypocrisy. Understand that God is not the author of confusion but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Now, if you're lacking knowledge of why Jesus needed another God while He was on earth, even though He was God, then humbly ask for it and the answer will be provided. Bye now.

CANTICLES:
proven ? How many Jesus do we have ?

" The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus,

whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him."
ESV Act 3:13

If the God of Abraham. Isaac and Jacob glorified Jesus, does that not prove he is different from the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?


now let's substitute your submission and see how that scripture looks like.

(The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers) ^{[size=27] Jesus , glorified his servant Jesus, [/size]} whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.


Do YOU Mean it ? HOW many Jesus ?

Ordinarily, I shouldn't be replying you again, since it's obvious you've made your conclusions without first listening or asking for proofs that I spoke of. This is certainly not a good way to learn.

One was hoping that you'd ask for proofs before raising your objections where you felt the need. But regrettably, you hastily quoted scriptures that I know very well.

Well then, since you've already shut your mind from receiving other views other than yours, you can as well keep what you think you know.

CANTICLES:
@ the bolded, you mean Jesus is the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ?

Exactly, brother. This claim can be conveniently proven.

DoctorAlien, you're on point. Your presentations so far are scriptural truths.
Please continue.