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https://paininthearsenal.com/2019/10/08/arsenal-results-vs-performances-dilemma/

Fkhalifa:


Let me give you their rebuttals,

" You don't grind out results against Aston villa and Bournemouth, we are Arsenal, we have pepe and Aubameyang, every team should bow at our feet, We have a top class team that should be competing with Liverpool and City.

Also, it is important we have shots on and off goal, and concede little or no shots and corners irrespective of result/outcome of the game..

Wenger is a better manager, he entertains us, we might be losing 1-0, 2-1 to likes of Blackburn, Stoke and QPR, but you see positive football

Lastly, Emery should be sacked asap, bring in Mourinho,Benitez or Allegri, they will give us good football and trophies with this set of players."

I hope it is clear.

Lmao

Thanks for bringing it up before dem come spoil my mood. No need to answer dem then.

iPopAlomo:
Since Solo decided to not answer this question, I'll ask your boss spy360 the same question...

What exactly is grinding out result...?

What exactly is grinding out results at home to Bournemouth...

Winning 1-0 with 1 shot on goal at the Emirates to Bournemouth .

or winning 1-0 with 10 shots on goal at the emirates to Bournemouth

That's 2 scenerios up there...

Please pick 1.

...the flow.

Grinding out a result is a football technical term used when a team decides to adopt a practical but non conventional tactics to win a match when their usual approach isn't working or when their regular players are not available.

From here it's seen that it's against weaker oppositions that you grind out a result. You don't say you grind out a result when you play Liverpool they are superior side for now at least. But when it's against weaker teams like the case of Bournemouth that the term is rightly used. So whether it's one shot on goal or ten, it's immaterial as long as you manage to secure a win. In grinding out a result, winning is more important than play.

The Man United teams of the Ferguson era were very good at it unlike their Arsenal counterparts. They know how to nick 3pts against stubborn oppositions when they discover that their exciting play isn't going to yield the desired points. But you see Arsenal after playing so well with exciting patterns still end up losing, something similar to what happened to Man City against Wolves.

Now some fans see their boring play and criticize it, but the manager (and players as well) know that for them to garner to points, they have to play dirty.

If this epistle is not enough to give you guys understanding, then it's a pity. I can't help your ignorance further.

Thanks.

Dreamswayne:
For those criticising the grinding results shit, I am up for grinding results for now but we can't keep grinding results till the end of the season...



We have to improve!




Imagine having just an attempt on target against Bournemouth at the Emirates...

Talking about grinning results, obviously we are yet to come to grips with the connotative meaning of the term.

Dreamswayne:
You would be greatly disappointed if you think Tierney and Hector will let us play good football...



This is not a personnel problem but a tactical problem, Emery is trying not to lose first before thinking of winning...



As far as he keeps on selecting this plodders in our midfield, Pepe will keep on struggling... No one to link up play with or perform one touch pass with... Once Pepe gets the ball, he is isolated with 3 markers on his tail...






The warning signs are there for all to see, once the form drops, we will lose a lot while not being able to create anything...




#EmeryOut

You talk as if we can be better than our current position. #fact101

The two teams ahead of us are far better in every way including their managers. Yet Emery hasn't played his best team. The only loss we have had so far this season is against the European champions- Liverpool who have won every single PL game. Man City has lost to Wolves and Crystal Palace. If that is not enough for Emery to convince you to stay on till end of season then I am sorry.

BlueRayDick:
@ Solomonbrown This is exactly what I was trying to to make u see all day.

Playing 3 midfielders who are not natural creative midfielders against man utd is something mourinho would not do sef. At least ceballos or ozil should be infused into the team to supply Auba or any of the front 3. The shouldn't be feeding on scrap.

This article is apt and clearly describes the problem with the team.

His "safety- first" approach against a united team that was there for the taking.

I guess no one on this thread approves of Emery's defensive approach. What Solo us saying is that he can't be sacked now by any board, because he is 3rd not 13th.

iamoyindamola:
dumbass it's "an" not and
Professor!!!

I know that if I tell you it was a typographical error, you would not even understand and worse still you will use 'typographical error' to defend your stupid write-ups.

Some mumu even dey mention grinding machine.

BlueRayDick:
There was nowhere I insinuated Niles being red carded was on emery. You are trying to quote me out of context.

Arsenal should not be grinding out result against a newly promoted Aston Villa at home, even to the extent of getting red carded.

The point up there is clear enough. Arsenal shouldn't be so poor to the extent of committing needless fouls and having a player sent off against Aston Villa. At least not when we have superior fire power. We all accept we are not always at our best defensively so it is only wise we go all in with our area of strength(attack): score goals early and not be recycling possession.

The so called "Grinding out result" that you so much celebrate Emery for is only due to his wrong team selection and conservative approach when he should be firing on all cylinders. I ask you, of what use is fielding Auba, Pepe and laca/Saka upfront when you will only play 3 DM's behind them ? Does it make any sense ? Even the shitty manure utd that knew how deadly our attackers can be still set up their team to attack us rather than wait cowardly for us to take the game to them.

You may keep coming up with excuses upon excuses as to why we have a team without pattern playing drab football, struggling against teams in the second part of the table and being forced to defend against watford that has never won this season, but the fact remains Emery is busy doing nothing to improve the lot of this team.

For 4ck sake ! Watford has only scored 4 goals this season and two of those were agsinst Arsenal. How do u people sleep with stats like this staring u in the face and u still say we are happy we grind out a point from this game .

You obviously don't know what the term ''grinding out result'' means. That's exactly the problem with this thread. Someone uses and expression, people won't first try to understand it but start spilling rubbish. Mtchew!

BlueRayDick:
Are u for real?

Wait why do u think we struggled against Bournemouth?

Indulge me please.

Please I will like you to focus on the point of argument.
It's a comparison between Frankfurt and B'Mouth which was more difficult to beat. The fact that BM is PL compounds everything.

Fkhalifa made a valid point when he said Spurs knocked out Man City from CL.
City would have probably preferred a non PL side. It's that simple.

Fkhalifa:
I watch nearly all our games and you don't, my not wanting to meet an English side in Europe is not because we are shitty or low in mentality, rather as a result of high competition in the league atm
4 English sides reaching finals in Europe is a testament..

City got eliminated 2ce from UCL by Liverpool & Spurs, do you think Pep will like to face an English side in knockout stage?

None of our rivals could also wants to play us,

Yes I said we could have trashed Frankfurt instead of a Chelsea,I'm sure Chelsea also prefer Valencia to us.

Bros some people don't have practical sense. With faulty education everything becomes theoretical.

Personally I'd rather face a non English side in a European final. For some others it may be different.

We trashed Frankfurt 0-3 away with kids, but struggle to beat Bournemouth at home. It's common sense really to know that familiarity makes things more difficult. But then common sense is not really common.

kodded:
no matter how shitty man city might look, unai emery will still play 3 CDM, and will allow man city to finish us with shot

We must understand something.

The reason Ferguson won so many PL titles was not because his teams always play well but because they could grind out results. That's the problem with this Pep team. You can't always play good football, sometimes you play badly and sometimes the good play won't work. You could win 8-0 today and lose 0-1 tomorrow. It's the ability to grind out results when the bad day comes that makes you win consistently.

Today as against Man Utd we played badly, but you can't take away the fact that we got a point at Old Trafford and three points yesterday which has actually moved us to 3rd a point behind Pep's Man City.

At this rate despite how bad Emery is as a coach, you can't sack him. He hasn't even fielded his best squad yet, so his argument remains valid.

I don't like Emery one bit, but for now I can't fault him, and as a fan I can only wish him the best.

I am not among the silly lots that take things sentimentally, I am a facts person, a scientist to the core.

Only fools argue with sentiments.

iPopAlomo:
Bro... The only reason we dey at least see draw is cos of Guen... Xhaka alone is a disaster.

Now this is the midfield koko, Guendouzi puts in a MOTM performance but is still blamed just because he was playing along side a disastrous Xhaka. Nawa for thinking.

I wish Shitty would be this shitt whenever we meet them. Home loss.

ORIJIN201:
and I, the silent one.

Yeah you and Keky.

Fkhalifa:
Emery's Arsenal side are sitting comfortable in 3rd position.

Has gone unbeaten after the last international break, only lost a game and that's away to the European champions, no thanks to David luiz for his give away that night, even though he redeemed himself today.

Yes you surely do have a point because one cannot fault the result until he loses.

But, we aren't seeing our best team out there. Is he resting players or what? What is his policy for player selection? Because obviously it is not about performance. He needs to communicate his intentions so that we would not assume he is stupid.

My boy Guendouzi balling again. Could easily be MOTM.

ndidibabe:
But I read that Arsenal has the best transfer window in England. What is happening?

Not the best but the most efficient I think.

Nna mehn, Wolves leading City at Etihad...

Zerogravity99:
Hello
Guys I have been following this group for years as a guest
But today I finally opened nairaland.
Hope I will be able to add to this great group positively

You are welcome. May I introduce you to some of our members.

The intelligent ones - me , Roland17, Solomonbrown64.
The funny ones - Fkhalifa, Blueraydick,
The angry ones - Ipopalomo, swissh,
The silly ones - Kokaneprodigy, sod09

Welcome.

Avedonn:
Real Madrid vs. Granada on New Day Tv.

I noticed that they've been airing premier football live matches lately.

Sat and tp please

Chelseafan1:
Hazarddinooooooooh..... World class goal my boy.

At last.

I'm the happiest man on Earth.

Are you a Madrid fan? Or you're just confused...

Spy360:
Spurs Don kill many people ticket today, hope Leicester bury's them.

Oops!
Liv1-0Lei

Spurs Don kill many people ticket today, hope Leicester bury's them.

Brendan Rodgers has really made Leicester a very decent side. They look calm especially off the ball.
Liverpool has got their work cut out for them.

Roland17:
After chopping 7 during the week, wetin you say make him do? Dem go need 2 goalies every match day as e dey go like this. Wetin concern me, I am so loving it!

He was like...
''make I begin commot before this umuaka spoil my career''
Lol

Hugo Lloris take style excuse himself.

...and Fkhalifa wants us to follow in Spuds footsteps.

Actually it's only 6pts separating 3rd and 14th.

BaH 3-0 THS

Arsenal gonna have a free ride to top four this season. Chai! See luck.

Tottenham has fallen.

spillo1:
Apart from the one you mentioned none at all

I think England is just cornering those lads to prevent them from serving other countries.

But why should I blame them, after providing quality social amenities to aid and support their development.

Nigeria can piss off.

Nigcomsat is like our wife, no matter where the girlfriend (Tstv) seduce us or carry us go, we always have to come back home.