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capnies:
BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, IS NOT BEING GOD UNDERSTAND THAT.

JESUS SAID ALL POWERS HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME; WHO GAVE HIM THE POWER IS THE OWNER OF THE POWER.

FOR THE GLORY SET BEFORE HIM, HE ENDURED THE CROSS, WHICH OTHER GLORY DOES GOD NEED.

GOD HAS ALSO HIGHLY EXALTED JESUS: CAN GOD BE EXALTED? TO WHAT?

FOR the fact that false doctrine has been preached for centuries doesn't make it correct.

NONSENSE IS NONSENSE IRRESPECTIVE OF FROM WHOSE LIPS IT COMES FROM.

lol🤣 so you now know Jehovah witness organization can spill nonsense nice one.

However, they got it right that Jehovah can take different roles and Jehovah can place limitation on himself, that is exactly what Jesus did. Chritiendom has being telling you for ages
Jesus is God tlwho took on limitation by taking the humanity.

Lol how can Jesus not be God Almighty when he has the form of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Incase you don't know colosians says Jesus has all the attributes of Almighty God in its full extent in him, there is nothing God Almighty Can't do that Jesus can't do. If God Almighty is uncreated so is Jesus, anything God is Jesus is.
This is Paul telling You Jesus is the very God not a lesser god or wannabe god but the very God.

capnies:
WHERE IS JESUS NOW? ATLEAST THAT WILL SOLVE IT

ALSO 1 CORINTHIANS 15:27-38
SAYS AT THE END THE SON WILL COME UNDER THE FATHER , THAT THE FATHER MIGHT BE ALL IN ALL

is that also the beginning?

Lol, that same 1 Corinthians answered your question.
"He must reign till enemies are put under his feet"
Read Hebrews 2
This is about Christ humanity, that was exalt and glorified.
Christ became a man for a purpose that is to die and rise again and then reign over all things till he has subjected all things to his father and then he subjected his humanity to the father.

capnies:
STORY FOR THE gods, this was written after Jesus ascending to heaven.
YOU DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND AND YOU WONT WHAT OF 1 TIMOTHY 2:5
there's only one God and one mediator between God and Men; the man Jesus Christ.

The word AND is a conjunction joining two or more things, meaning that there is God and the is a mediator are they equal?

Even that verse answered your question.
"The man Christ Jesus" is the mediator between God and man.
Jesus is still a man in heaven.
Jesus is both man and God, even watchtower teaches that God can take different roles to fulfill his will.

Emusan:
Olodo....

Jehovah is a coined name by a Catholic mock

While Jesus: It is a Hebrew name which has been transliterated into Greek as Iesous (Ἰησοῦς: pronounced "ee-ay-SUS". The English "Jesus" comes from the Latin transliteration of the Greek name into the Latin Iesus.

The fact is, watchtower even knows that Yahweh is more accurate than Jehovah

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MaxInDHouse:
The original Hebrew writing doesn't include the alphabet "J" which means the name Jesus is inappropriate.

Do you agree?

But we Christians don't see it as a big deal. Call Jesus, yeshua or lesus, or Jesu, it does not mean.
The only name given for men to be saved is Jesus not Jehovah or yahweh.

Osiris12:
but the European people revised the religion and the brought it down and thought Africans how to practice the religion and Africans gbadun am sorry dem put jara join

Yea people have tried to revise Christianity but could not.The bible is there as a guide, open for all to read.

MaxInDHouse:
“The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH" Mark 12:29

Here Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:4

“Listen, O Israel: JEHOVAH our God is one JEHOVAH"

If that name doesn't appear in your own copy of the Bible it simply means the translators have replaced God's name with the title "THE LORD"

That was Jesus quoting the old testament scripture, not that he personally used the name in his prayer or teachings to his disciples. By the way the original translation is not Jehoavh it is YWYH which would be closer to yahweh not Jehovah.

Busybrain2233:
Please answer my questions: You said Almighty God created medicine mention the medicine God created.

Does this makes Matt7:7 invalid? Perhaps God would be like; I having given you guys all you need for any illness, so I won't grant any of your wish pertaining healing/sound health.

The materials to make drugs are made by humans.

God knows man would fall and he went ahead to create man that way, then later God would blame and punish man for falling. I know it makes sense to you cause you are a religious person.

Herbs are examples of medicines how

really mention what humans ever created? So because God said I would bless you it means you don't need to work again? So what are herbs for?
The earth and everything in it belongs to God psalm 24.
Man do not create anything thyme discover them, it has always being there.

So if astronomers knew an meteor is heading the earth it means they are the cause?
You are responsible for your actions good or bad, God knowing what you will do has nothing to do with your actions.

MaxInDHouse:
In other words your God doesn't have a unique name shey?

unique name that was from people you claim worship doghead?

Where in the bible did Jesus personally mention God's unique name?

MightySparrow:
John 10:30-33
[30]I and my Father are one.
[31]Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[32]Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[33]The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.


What can you make out of these verses?

This was another reason, there were many reasons why they wanted to kill Jesus.

Busybrain2233:
You said Almighty God created medicine mention the medicine God created.

Are you aware that herbs are not enough to make most medicines?

Does this makes Matt7:7 invalid? Perhaps God would be like; I having given you guys all you need for any illness, so I won't grant any of your wish pertaining healing/sound health.

The materials to make drugs are created by who?
See God knows man would fall and sin and death would come he has made preparations for it.
The herbs is good gave is and example of medicine it does mean it si limited to that.

Busybrain2233:
Why do religious folks seek medical attentions when they have an Almighty God who can hear and answer them instantly when they pray for sound health

Almighty God created all things including herbs, medicines and gave men the knowledge to treat and research illness and proffer solution.

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Miracles are not done for fancy and human beck and call.
The earth and everything in it is God's property He wants us to make good use of it.

Jehovah witness organization has Just confirmed that Jesus is Almighty God, how.
Jesus is the one that placed limitation on himself.
Jesus had same nature with the father but he placed a limitation on himself.
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Jesus placed the limitation on himself to become a servant that is why he said the father is greater than him.

Micheal clown and co thinks that since Jesus limited himself he can not be God at the same time, we can also say that since Jehovah placed limitation on himself he ceases to be God.

AutoConsult:
Ah dey feel you since o😂😂

you dey feel rubbish, hahaha, confused lots.

MaxInDHouse:
What is the name of your own god?

shame on you, hypocrite.

Michael547:
So Jesus limited himself not to know the hour of judgment right?
So Jesus who was also equal to the father in heaven was also commanded to come to earth According to Jesus himself in John 12:49.
This same Jesus who is Almighty God on earth still says his father is greater than him.
Ok oo....you are making sense. Ride on.

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sharap there,
According to jw.org Jehovah is personally limited to heaven alone.
Your organization teaches that Jehovah is limited spatially to only a section in heaven.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/god-omnipresent/

Your organisation teaches that Jehovah is Adaptable.
See a snippet of jw.org

[b] Jehovah​—The Most Adaptable Being in the Universe

4. (a) In what way does Jehovah’s very name reveal him to be an adaptable God? (b) What are some of the titles applied to Jehovah God, and why are they fitting?

4 Jehovah’s very name implies his adaptability. “Jehovah” literally means “He Causes to Become.” This evidently means that Jehovah causes himself to become the Fulfiller of all his promises. When Moses asked God his name, Jehovah elaborated on its meaning in this way: “I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be.” (Exodus 3:14) Rotherham’s translation pointedly puts it: “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” Jehovah proves to be, or chooses to become, whatever is needed to fulfill his righteous purposes and promises. Thus, he bears an impressive array of titles, such as Creator, Father, Sovereign Lord, Shepherd, Jehovah of armies, Hearer of prayer, Judge, Grand Instructor, Repurchaser. He has caused himself to become all of these and more in order to carry out his loving purposes.​—Isaiah 8:13; 30:20; 40:28; 41:14; Psalm 23:1; 65:2; 73:28; 89:26; Judges 11:27; see also New World Translation, Appendix 1J.

5. Why should we not conclude that Jehovah’s adaptability implies that his nature or standards change?

5 Does this mean, then, that God’s nature or standards change? No; as James 1:17 puts it, “with him there is not a variation of the turning of the shadow.” Is there a contradiction here? Not at all. For example, what loving parent does not shift roles to benefit the children? In the course of a single day, a parent may be a counselor, a cook, a housekeeper, a teacher, a disciplinarian, a friend, a mechanic, a nurse​—the list goes on and on. The parent does not change personality when assuming these roles; he or she simply adapts to current needs. So it is with Jehovah but on a far grander scale. ​There is no limit to what he can cause himself to become to benefit his creatures. The depth of his wisdom is staggering indeed!—Romans 11:33.[/b]

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1994563#h=10

At colored green your organistion teaches that jehovah takes different roles to fulfill his will.

🤣🤣😂 They even said takes on different roles as the need arises, guess whose needs? Human beings, meaning human nature can make God take different roles.
Now in in your own words Micheal how come Almighty God takes different roles because of humans?

They teach that Jehovah changes hid decision because of man, and that Jehovah is not rigid concerning his authority.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1994563#h=10

Another bomb shell!!!!!

Jehovah can indeed place limitation on himself

Is God not wonderful?

Modesty, as used in the Scriptures, suggests a proper awareness of one’s own limitations. ... The Almighty has no limitations except for those he imposes upon himself because of his own righteous standards. (Mark 10:27; Titus 1:2)

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=Limitations&fc%5B%5D=bk&p=par&r=occ
Hahahaha hiohiohio. Who is the confused one now ehen

achorladey:
Abeg help me ask am is he talking about the name Jehovah which those he said worship DOGHEADS gave to the their so called one only and only religious organization doing God's will?

This na the reason I do say this guy too like to dey peddle madness and insanities packed into his brains

D guy dey pitable, governing body nor dey allow dem think.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ just believe in the doghead oh sorry i mean to say "godhead" that's all!

keep blaspheming against Jehovah you will give account.

Michael547:
What is exactly your point oga.....did the angel admit that lot was greater than him or insinuated base on the situation on hand, where lot sheltered determined what God would allow him to do? How is that The same thing with Jesus clearly saying that the father in heaven is greater than him. And this same Almighty Jesus Also said he did not know the hour of Judgment. Does that not show that just like the angel, Jesus too was lesser to God?

Have you forgotten what you wrote just now?

At bold
How come the nature of man was so powerful that it impeded the full power of the nature of the Almighty God in Christ?



😂When the angel could not do anything was it lot that impeded him?
You can't see your poopoo, you said it was God that would not allow him, meaning God limited the angel not lot, I have told you that it is Jesus that limited himself to his humanity.

🤣When Jesus submitted himself to be killed by men does that mean they were greater than him?

capnies:
reread what you wrote. And listen to yourself.

HOW DO EXPLAIN 1 CORINTHIANS 11:3 THAT SAY THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD

what is the problem of 1cor 11 vv 3since Jesus became a man his father became his God.
When a Son works for his father, his father becomes his employer that does not mean he is no longer a Son.
When Jesus became man his father became his God that does not mean he is no longer God, the Father himself called Jesus God.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

ahmedio2017:
You guys should face each other na don't drag Allah into this as I don't have strength to stress myself.

And again don't let us divert from the topic

Why did you come here? 😂you have thrown Michael under bus na na, you decieved him like allah the best of all decievers.

Michael547:
Where did Jesus call himself the 'I am' to mean that he was the Almighty God? read the context of the passage at John 8:58 and see whether he was talking about his identity or the length of his existence. Then we can know who the fool really is.

Genesis 19:22 clearly showed that the angel was less powerful than God who was bringing the destruction and not lot.
So when Jesus said the father was greater than himself, does that not pass a message?

So who is the fool now?

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What is this one saying? Go back and read what you wrote you are arguing with yourself.
🤣 it is not about God the angel said that he cannot do anything (a limitation) except lot is sheltered, so according to you lot is greater than the angel? Jehovah witness confusion.

ahmedio2017:
Lolz confusion

sharap slave of alah, follower of a pedophile criminal called prophet Mohammed.
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I am not surprised both of you are in league.
Allah does not even know what he made first, such a clown god.

Michael547:
So Jesus made himself not to know the hour of judgment😆......how can someone who has limited himself to the point of saying that the father is greater than himself, still call himself God Almighty while on earth? Does that make sense? How come the nature of man was so powerful that it impeded the full power of the nature of the Almighty God in Christ?

You are a fool, how can the human nature be more powerful.
Jesus called himself the 'I AM' a name which only Almighty God bear.
So going by your logic when the angel of The Lord told lot that he cannot do anything until lot has gone to shelter in other city, it means lot was more powerful than the angel.

Genesis 19:22 Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.
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Osiris12:
You’re still lost.

Moving from one imported religion to the other.
But thankfully. It’s a minus one for the religion of terrorists, peadophile and head slammers

Christianity is never an imported religion. Christianity was in Africa before Europe.

Apsotle selman is a false apostle.

Michael547:
Since he limited himself to his humanity, why do you still claim that he was the Almighty God while on earth? Someone that told you that the father was greater than him and that he does not know the hour of Judgement.

He had two natures the nature of God and man at all times but however, he limited himself to his humanity. The fact that he limited himself to his humanity doesn't mean he is not God Almighty. Christ had the full nature of divinity within him all through but operated on the constraint on his humanity.
That was why Jesus said the father is greater than he is.

Emusan:
That's not what my post meant

I meant, they know every accusations brought against Jesus even the scriptures they used.



As clarified above, I guess you understand my point now.

Of course they don't know their actions is leading to the fulfillment of God's plan even when it is written in the scriptures they are using against Jesus.

I don't disagree with you I only pointed out what they thought they were doing, they thought they were eliminating a threat.
And again christ was their enemy because he exposed their evil works so they wanted to eliminate him the more.

Human being might think they are protecting themselves by taking a position against God but end up destroying themselves that was the case of the jews that killed christ.

Emusan:
Not at all, your point here is political excuse people gave to exonerate the Jewish leaders from Christ crucifixion.

The Jewish leaders then knew exactly what they were doing using God's Word to counter Jesus Christ. Jesus only correct their misunderstanding of God's word where the they wrongly apply it.

The Temple and the City were still destroyed when Jesus was not there.

No, I am not excusing it, actually they really do not know what they were doing. That is why Jesus prayed saying his father should forgive them because they don't know what they were doing.
Paul also said the Jewish nation were blinded, and also had they knew hey won't have crucified the Lord.
Their blindness is from Moses law written for them, they were not truly keeping the law as they ought to, hence became blinded by false righteousness they thought they had.

Michael547:
What of the other quality of being an Almighty God while on earth? Was there a deficiency in the Almightiness? Why did he not know the hour of judgment?

when Jesus was on earth he limited himself to his humanity Jesus had submitted himself as servant, so some restrictions was on him as he was born in human form.

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

MightySparrow:
It depends on the way you read it and the context.


If I may ask you, why did the Jews, I spite of the works that he did sought to and eventually kill Jesus?

The Jewish leaders saw Jesus as a threat to them. Jesus was gaining more and more popularity and hence they taught that one day Jesus could easily declare himself king stage an insurrection if this happens the romans would come and destroy their temple and city, they would lose their position and be decimated. For them killing Jesus was a necessity else the whole nation would perish.

Michael547:
So how can an Almighty God say that the his Father was greater than him in John 14:28, and he does not know the hour of judgment in Matt 24:36?
Can those statements also be applied to the Father?

Since Jesus is both God and man, the father is greater than him as a man.
The father is not in the flesh, so it does not apply to him.