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MightySparrow:
John 10:30-33
[30]I and my Father are one.
[31]Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[32]Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[33]The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.


What can you make out of these verses?

This was another reason, there were many reasons why they wanted to kill Jesus.

Busybrain2233:
You said Almighty God created medicine mention the medicine God created.

Are you aware that herbs are not enough to make most medicines?

Does this makes Matt7:7 invalid? Perhaps God would be like; I having given you guys all you need for any illness, so I won't grant any of your wish pertaining healing/sound health.

The materials to make drugs are created by who?
See God knows man would fall and sin and death would come he has made preparations for it.
The herbs is good gave is and example of medicine it does mean it si limited to that.

Busybrain2233:
Why do religious folks seek medical attentions when they have an Almighty God who can hear and answer them instantly when they pray for sound health

Almighty God created all things including herbs, medicines and gave men the knowledge to treat and research illness and proffer solution.

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Miracles are not done for fancy and human beck and call.
The earth and everything in it is God's property He wants us to make good use of it.

Jehovah witness organization has Just confirmed that Jesus is Almighty God, how.
Jesus is the one that placed limitation on himself.
Jesus had same nature with the father but he placed a limitation on himself.
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Jesus placed the limitation on himself to become a servant that is why he said the father is greater than him.

Micheal clown and co thinks that since Jesus limited himself he can not be God at the same time, we can also say that since Jehovah placed limitation on himself he ceases to be God.

AutoConsult:
Ah dey feel you since o😂😂

you dey feel rubbish, hahaha, confused lots.

MaxInDHouse:
What is the name of your own god?

shame on you, hypocrite.

Michael547:
So Jesus limited himself not to know the hour of judgment right?
So Jesus who was also equal to the father in heaven was also commanded to come to earth According to Jesus himself in John 12:49.
This same Jesus who is Almighty God on earth still says his father is greater than him.
Ok oo....you are making sense. Ride on.

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sharap there,
According to jw.org Jehovah is personally limited to heaven alone.
Your organization teaches that Jehovah is limited spatially to only a section in heaven.
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/god-omnipresent/

Your organisation teaches that Jehovah is Adaptable.
See a snippet of jw.org

[b] Jehovah​—The Most Adaptable Being in the Universe

4. (a) In what way does Jehovah’s very name reveal him to be an adaptable God? (b) What are some of the titles applied to Jehovah God, and why are they fitting?

4 Jehovah’s very name implies his adaptability. “Jehovah” literally means “He Causes to Become.” This evidently means that Jehovah causes himself to become the Fulfiller of all his promises. When Moses asked God his name, Jehovah elaborated on its meaning in this way: “I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be.” (Exodus 3:14) Rotherham’s translation pointedly puts it: “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” Jehovah proves to be, or chooses to become, whatever is needed to fulfill his righteous purposes and promises. Thus, he bears an impressive array of titles, such as Creator, Father, Sovereign Lord, Shepherd, Jehovah of armies, Hearer of prayer, Judge, Grand Instructor, Repurchaser. He has caused himself to become all of these and more in order to carry out his loving purposes.​—Isaiah 8:13; 30:20; 40:28; 41:14; Psalm 23:1; 65:2; 73:28; 89:26; Judges 11:27; see also New World Translation, Appendix 1J.

5. Why should we not conclude that Jehovah’s adaptability implies that his nature or standards change?

5 Does this mean, then, that God’s nature or standards change? No; as James 1:17 puts it, “with him there is not a variation of the turning of the shadow.” Is there a contradiction here? Not at all. For example, what loving parent does not shift roles to benefit the children? In the course of a single day, a parent may be a counselor, a cook, a housekeeper, a teacher, a disciplinarian, a friend, a mechanic, a nurse​—the list goes on and on. The parent does not change personality when assuming these roles; he or she simply adapts to current needs. So it is with Jehovah but on a far grander scale. ​There is no limit to what he can cause himself to become to benefit his creatures. The depth of his wisdom is staggering indeed!—Romans 11:33.[/b]

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1994563#h=10

At colored green your organistion teaches that jehovah takes different roles to fulfill his will.

🤣🤣😂 They even said takes on different roles as the need arises, guess whose needs? Human beings, meaning human nature can make God take different roles.
Now in in your own words Micheal how come Almighty God takes different roles because of humans?

They teach that Jehovah changes hid decision because of man, and that Jehovah is not rigid concerning his authority.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1994563#h=10

Another bomb shell!!!!!

Jehovah can indeed place limitation on himself

Is God not wonderful?

Modesty, as used in the Scriptures, suggests a proper awareness of one’s own limitations. ... The Almighty has no limitations except for those he imposes upon himself because of his own righteous standards. (Mark 10:27; Titus 1:2)

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=Limitations&fc%5B%5D=bk&p=par&r=occ
Hahahaha hiohiohio. Who is the confused one now ehen

achorladey:
Abeg help me ask am is he talking about the name Jehovah which those he said worship DOGHEADS gave to the their so called one only and only religious organization doing God's will?

This na the reason I do say this guy too like to dey peddle madness and insanities packed into his brains

D guy dey pitable, governing body nor dey allow dem think.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ just believe in the doghead oh sorry i mean to say "godhead" that's all!

keep blaspheming against Jehovah you will give account.

Michael547:
What is exactly your point oga.....did the angel admit that lot was greater than him or insinuated base on the situation on hand, where lot sheltered determined what God would allow him to do? How is that The same thing with Jesus clearly saying that the father in heaven is greater than him. And this same Almighty Jesus Also said he did not know the hour of Judgment. Does that not show that just like the angel, Jesus too was lesser to God?

Have you forgotten what you wrote just now?

At bold
How come the nature of man was so powerful that it impeded the full power of the nature of the Almighty God in Christ?



😂When the angel could not do anything was it lot that impeded him?
You can't see your poopoo, you said it was God that would not allow him, meaning God limited the angel not lot, I have told you that it is Jesus that limited himself to his humanity.

🤣When Jesus submitted himself to be killed by men does that mean they were greater than him?

capnies:
reread what you wrote. And listen to yourself.

HOW DO EXPLAIN 1 CORINTHIANS 11:3 THAT SAY THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD

what is the problem of 1cor 11 vv 3since Jesus became a man his father became his God.
When a Son works for his father, his father becomes his employer that does not mean he is no longer a Son.
When Jesus became man his father became his God that does not mean he is no longer God, the Father himself called Jesus God.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

ahmedio2017:
You guys should face each other na don't drag Allah into this as I don't have strength to stress myself.

And again don't let us divert from the topic

Why did you come here? 😂you have thrown Michael under bus na na, you decieved him like allah the best of all decievers.

Michael547:
Where did Jesus call himself the 'I am' to mean that he was the Almighty God? read the context of the passage at John 8:58 and see whether he was talking about his identity or the length of his existence. Then we can know who the fool really is.

Genesis 19:22 clearly showed that the angel was less powerful than God who was bringing the destruction and not lot.
So when Jesus said the father was greater than himself, does that not pass a message?

So who is the fool now?

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What is this one saying? Go back and read what you wrote you are arguing with yourself.
🤣 it is not about God the angel said that he cannot do anything (a limitation) except lot is sheltered, so according to you lot is greater than the angel? Jehovah witness confusion.

ahmedio2017:
Lolz confusion

sharap slave of alah, follower of a pedophile criminal called prophet Mohammed.
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I am not surprised both of you are in league.
Allah does not even know what he made first, such a clown god.

Michael547:
So Jesus made himself not to know the hour of judgment😆......how can someone who has limited himself to the point of saying that the father is greater than himself, still call himself God Almighty while on earth? Does that make sense? How come the nature of man was so powerful that it impeded the full power of the nature of the Almighty God in Christ?

You are a fool, how can the human nature be more powerful.
Jesus called himself the 'I AM' a name which only Almighty God bear.
So going by your logic when the angel of The Lord told lot that he cannot do anything until lot has gone to shelter in other city, it means lot was more powerful than the angel.

Genesis 19:22 Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.
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Osiris12:
You’re still lost.

Moving from one imported religion to the other.
But thankfully. It’s a minus one for the religion of terrorists, peadophile and head slammers

Christianity is never an imported religion. Christianity was in Africa before Europe.

Apsotle selman is a false apostle.

Michael547:
Since he limited himself to his humanity, why do you still claim that he was the Almighty God while on earth? Someone that told you that the father was greater than him and that he does not know the hour of Judgement.

He had two natures the nature of God and man at all times but however, he limited himself to his humanity. The fact that he limited himself to his humanity doesn't mean he is not God Almighty. Christ had the full nature of divinity within him all through but operated on the constraint on his humanity.
That was why Jesus said the father is greater than he is.

Emusan:
That's not what my post meant

I meant, they know every accusations brought against Jesus even the scriptures they used.



As clarified above, I guess you understand my point now.

Of course they don't know their actions is leading to the fulfillment of God's plan even when it is written in the scriptures they are using against Jesus.

I don't disagree with you I only pointed out what they thought they were doing, they thought they were eliminating a threat.
And again christ was their enemy because he exposed their evil works so they wanted to eliminate him the more.

Human being might think they are protecting themselves by taking a position against God but end up destroying themselves that was the case of the jews that killed christ.

Emusan:
Not at all, your point here is political excuse people gave to exonerate the Jewish leaders from Christ crucifixion.

The Jewish leaders then knew exactly what they were doing using God's Word to counter Jesus Christ. Jesus only correct their misunderstanding of God's word where the they wrongly apply it.

The Temple and the City were still destroyed when Jesus was not there.

No, I am not excusing it, actually they really do not know what they were doing. That is why Jesus prayed saying his father should forgive them because they don't know what they were doing.
Paul also said the Jewish nation were blinded, and also had they knew hey won't have crucified the Lord.
Their blindness is from Moses law written for them, they were not truly keeping the law as they ought to, hence became blinded by false righteousness they thought they had.

Michael547:
What of the other quality of being an Almighty God while on earth? Was there a deficiency in the Almightiness? Why did he not know the hour of judgment?

when Jesus was on earth he limited himself to his humanity Jesus had submitted himself as servant, so some restrictions was on him as he was born in human form.

Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

MightySparrow:
It depends on the way you read it and the context.


If I may ask you, why did the Jews, I spite of the works that he did sought to and eventually kill Jesus?

The Jewish leaders saw Jesus as a threat to them. Jesus was gaining more and more popularity and hence they taught that one day Jesus could easily declare himself king stage an insurrection if this happens the romans would come and destroy their temple and city, they would lose their position and be decimated. For them killing Jesus was a necessity else the whole nation would perish.

Michael547:
So how can an Almighty God say that the his Father was greater than him in John 14:28, and he does not know the hour of judgment in Matt 24:36?
Can those statements also be applied to the Father?

Since Jesus is both God and man, the father is greater than him as a man.
The father is not in the flesh, so it does not apply to him.

Michael547:
Lol....so are you saying that when Jesus was in the flesh, he was no longer the Almighty God?

he was both Almighty God and human at the same time

Michael547:
So if the father is different from the son and holy ghost, how are they equals?
If Jesus divine nature as Almighty God did not change while on earth, why did he say he did not know the hour of judgment in Matt 24:36? Why did he say the Father was greater than him in John 14:28?
So are you implying that the Father can also die in the flesh?

You ignored where the scripture said the word became flesh.
Is God not greater than flesh?
If Jesus became a man by taken on the human nature does that not mean the father is greater than him in the flesh?

If the father take on human flesh he could die if he wishes,
Jesus willingly laid down his life he didn't just die

Michael547:
Then if they are not the same person, how are they equals?

So only same persons can be equal? You are being mischievous sameness is not the same as equality. Yellow light and blue light are equally light but they are not same.

Michael547:
Where does the scripture refers to Jesus and the holy spirit as God Almighty and 'I am'?

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

In Hebrews the holy ghost identifies himself as the Lord which in the old testament is yahweh.
The Holy ghost identifies himself as yahweh.

Michael547:
How come Jesus is a son? Why can't the father also be a son? How come that Jesus who is an immortal and eternal God in heaven just like the father was able to become a creation and die? Does that mean that the father can become a creation and die also?

God does not change. The person of the father is not the person of the Son and holy ghost, they are different and it is fixed because God's nature does not change.
You seem to think that Jesus Jesus divinity changed, No, Jesus divine nature as God does not change, he only added the human nature.
When Jesus died he only died in the flesh.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

If the father wants to take part in his creation he wants.

Michael547:
What is the meaning of 'the father is distinct from the son'?

It means the father and the Son are not the same person.

Michael547:
If the Son is equal to the father in qualities, why is he called a 'son'? How can an immortal and eternal God become a creation and die? Does that mean that the Father can die also?

He has a unique relationship as the Son. Yes is equal one God with the Father but has a different relationship with the father.
The scripture tells us God is love meaning love is the nature of God, the Father, Son and Spirit shows us how love is expressed within the Godhead.

Michael547:
Since we know the name of the son to be Jesus, What is the name of the father and holy spirit?

God reveals himself in the old testament, with different names, God Almighty and the "I am", the father Son and holy Spirit has one name whuch is his character. which means God's name is his character but Jesus christ is the Son's human name.

Michael547:
What are the two nature's of Jesus? If Jesus is distinct from the Father, How come they are equals?

His humanity and is divinity. Jesus is same God with the father.