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Kei144:
2Pe. 3:15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom that God gave him.
2Pe. 3:16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

People should not dabble into what is greater than them. Apostle Suleiman, or any other pastor for that matter, should not be deceived by small popularity and having a fairly large congregation into thinking that they now know all about the mystery of godliness. How many people know that man was the reason why one third of God's angels rebelled against God? Man started out as a highly evolved mammal (animal). Then one day God said to His angels, "Let us make man into our image (Ge. 1:26). Through an angel, God breathed into man His Holy Spirit and man became a living soul (Ge. 2:7). At this point the angels realized the immensity of what God had done. A living soul can continually grow towards the level of God and can also decay towards the level of ordinary animal. Angels became afraid that man could grow above their level; they assumed that god is playing favoritism against them. One third of God's angels, led by Lucifer, rebelled against God.

This is false not biblical at all.
The angels didn't rebel because they were jealous of man, angels themselves are a little higher than Adam.
The fall was as a result of lucifer desire to be like God.

How could man grow to the level of God? That was the subject of Satan's temptation of Adam (Ge. 3:1-5). God had already made provision for the soul of man to grow by planting the tree of life in the Garden of Eden. The fruit of the tree of life makes the soul of man to grow. The tree is not physical anyway, but spiritual. The tree of life is the Spirit of God. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is the spirit of Satan. The fruit of the tree of life is made up of words that came out of the mouth of God. Satan mudered man by telling man that the way to become like God is by turning away from God's word.

This is unbiblical and false teaching.

Jn. 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Mt. 4:4 Jesus answered, “It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’“ [Deut. 8:3]

Satan tempted Jesus the way he tempted Adam by feeding him with lies (Mt. 4:3-11), but Jesus rebuffed all of Satan's lies with words of God. Jesus overcame Satan by the word of God.

Ph. 2:5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
Ph. 2:6 Who, being in very nature [Or in the form of] God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Ph. 2:7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
Ph. 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death — even death on a cross!
Ph. 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
Ph. 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Ph. 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


God has made Jesus Christ to be sitting on the throne with Him in heaven. No other being sits on the throne with God. [s]Contrary to what most Christian believe, Jesus actually started out as a pure human being, just like Adam, and grew in the Spirit to the level of God.[/s]

This is a gnostic teaching, it is a luciferan teaching that creation can attain Godhood.
Creation cannot become God. Jesus was not a mere human that ascended to become divine, this is an occultic teaching. Jesus was God before his incarnation, after his incarnation he became not just God but also man, and he is the God-man forever.

Re. 4:5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits [Or the sevenfold Spirit] of God.

Re. 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the centre of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits [Or the sevenfold Spirit] of God sent out into all the earth.


In Re. 4:5, we see the Holy Spirit of God. The Almighty is the emitter of the Holy Spirit. In Re. 5:6, we see the Lord Jesus Christ with seven eyes (receivers of the Holy Spirit). Even though the Almighty is the emitter of the Holy Spirit wave, the Lord Jesus Christ can communicate with everywhere through the sevenfold spirit of God. The Almighty has made him God in every way. However, note that the Almighty is the emitter and Jesus Christ is only the receiver.

I recommend this thread for you:

https://www.nairaland.com/8008178/power-son-god-indeed

The holy Spirit is a person just like the father, son and spirit not an electromagnetic wave.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy God told Moses not Pharaoh just as God is using the Bible to talk to His own people not everyone.
For your information God declared that Moses will stand before Pharaoh as God while Aaron will act as the prophet {Exodus 7:1} that's why God told Moses that another prophet will arise among the Israelites like Moses who served as God and prophet at the same time! Deuteronomy 18:18

you have deviated.
Is The father or Jesus that will appear?

MaxInDHouse:
When God told Moses:

‭‭Exodus‬ ‭3:7‭-‬8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

The Lord said, “I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their slave drivers, and I am concerned about their suffering. So I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey—the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. Exodus 3:7-8

Who did the Pharaoh of Egypt saw as the one coming in the name of God? Exodus 7:1

see how you are dribbling yourself.
Simple question
Is it the father or Jesus that is appearing?
So where did yahweh say he will appear to Pharaoh?

MaxInDHouse:
while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior, Jesus Christ,

Oya nah prove you people are Jesus' worshipers by acting on his prayer to God @ John 17:22
If all of you are worshipers of the same God let the oneness be known by agreeing on what your God prayed for!

Is it the father or Jesus that is appearing?

Aemmyjah:
American Standard Version
looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
While we look for the blessed hope and the revelation of the glory of The Great God and Our Lifegiver, Yeshua The Messiah,


New American Bible
as we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ,

Is it the father that is appearing or Jesus?

Aemmyjah:
He did not
He was referencing two persons
The Great God and
The Savior, Jesus Christ

No it is one person, the Greek interpretation actually mean that both great God and saviour is actually referring to one person and again It is Jesus christ that is appearing and hence both titles refers to him.
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

MaxInDHouse:
Why aren't you guys mentioning the names of your churches so that followers of the thread can know what your churches are teaching?

I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses according to God's word no gentile can gain access into God's Kingdom without Paul's teachings.

Jesus appointed twelve Jews as apostles over the nation of Israel and chose Apostle Paul as the apostle for all gentiles so whoever rejects Paul's teachings is indirectly rejecting the person who appointed Paul: Jesus Christ!

That is what all Jehovah's Witnesses believe globally now let's hear from other churches!

Do you agree with Paul when he called Jesus "our great God and saviour"?
Lol Jehovah false witness reject Paul's teaching just like other antichrist.

Kobojunkie:
Which follower of Christ? Your church organizations today were founded on ideas taken and twisted of the words of Paul. Nothing of what this Sulaiman adheres to has anything to do with Jesus Christ who clearly gave no man authority to use His name to change any of His Word which He made clear was Everlasting aka UNCHANGING.

So, what he denounces are the very same doctrines and traditions on which his church is founded upon, not Scripture since Suleman was never a follower of Jesus Christ from His beginning.

sharap jezebel's daughter.
you are a child of darkness just like satanjnr.

deolumike:
They guy is sick. To claim to be a follower of Christ and now discredit scripture. Disgusting heresy. I wish nairaland has a block button for likes of this

Satanjnr was never a Christian just a tare that pretends to be a wheat.

Dtruthspeaker:
The bible is consistent in its message

sure it is

The bible is not inconsistent at all, books of the bible must be treated uniquely, there are historical books, poetry, songs, books of the law, prophesies and epistles.
For example the four books of the gospel contain different aspects of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
Yes the men that wrote the bible were infallible but that Spirit that inspired them was infallible.

Suliemam is a false apostle just as tb Joshua is a false prophet, pastor Chris too preach heresies, in the a whole lot of these teachers, apostle, bishops, arch bishops are complete fraud, spreading heresies and misleading souls.

jesusjnr2020:
I think I am beginning to like this man.

It takes the height of courage to say what God wants even though all Christians hate you for that.

This is a message we spearheaded in Nairaland that made many NL Christians hate us and call us false teachers.

https://www.nairaland.com/4808209/many-mistakes-apostle-pauls-teachings#72390772

Now some of the preachers they highly esteem are also doing same thing.

First it was Selman who many Christians highly esteem, now it's Suleiman so I wonder whether they will call them fake too.

It's only sheer ignorance and personal sentiments that would make people think that this is an attack on apostle Paul, when they at the same time would turn a blind eye to Paul doing the same thing to apostle Peter.

It takes a true brother to correct the errors of another when they're not able to see or correct it themselves.

Even Paul himself, who also said all scriptures were inspired of God, said some of his teachings were not Inspire of God (1 Corinthians), but unfortunately the blind sentiments of such ones have towards him wouldn't make them to see that.

Apostle Paul is a true apostle of Christ no doubt and is in heaven, (I saw him sat there in a vision myself), so this isn't to attack him or make him false in anyway, but to prove he is human and can also make mistakes.

There is only one perfect who is Jesus, that's why He alone is Master and every else, including Paul, as brethren.

And the final instruction He gave to His church (disciples) before leaving the earth, is to teach all men to keep His Words. Matthew 28:20

The reason He did this is to prevent the errors of others, including His apostles, from being taught as doctrine in His church.

There's no teaching in the Bible of any apostle or prophet of God in the Bible, that has sent many Christians to hell as that of apostle Paul, especially that of grace which clearly goes against the teachings of Jesus.

Hence why it was necessary to address this in the church. Hence why Jesus is sending several of us to correct this error in these last days because He paid dearly for those perishing souls which were being misled as a result.

Unfortunately though we've been saying this for several years but no one seems to believe us, instead we're being hated by Christians for doing what Jesus sent us to do.

However one with God is majority, that's why we're still thriving and being distinguished from the rest regardless of all their hating, because Jesus is with us and still backing us as He said he would to those who obey His commandments to teach all men to keep His sayings. Matthew 28:20

If God be for and with us, who can be against us?

God bless.

Satanjnr on the beat. You are an antichrist.
Paul's teaching has no error because it is from the holy ghost. but you satanjnr are a confirmed false teacher, an agent of Satan pretending and writing nonsense to decieve the gullible.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Pickieox:
Oga rest. Religion is a joke, scam. Nothing will happen. God, Devil, He'll and Heaven are all fairytale that do not exist.

Do you worse😏

Sharap there! Atheism has no answer for anything, it requires more faith to be an atheist than to believe in God.
How can you believe nothing created the universe?
Yes, current evidence in science reveals that the universe (matter and energy), actually had a beginning, the question they are faced with is, what caused the universe?
Science reveals that space- time; the whole physics, all had an a beginning, then what caused the universe must be beyond space and time and not subject to the laws of physics.

Do you know that scientist have currently found out that simple cell is not simple at all? That it is well organized and advanced. It is like a whole city full of well ordered, structured and efficient machines.
You don't get these updated facts only expired theories that have being disproven that many of you know. Smh.
Try know the size of the observable universe, you will shock to your bone.

Do you know that universe has a speed limit that no technology past, present or future, nothing subject to the laws of physics can exceed? It is called the speed of light. Even if you travel with the speed of light ( impossible) it would take a hundred thousand years to reach the closest galaxy. Tell me who even reach 1000 years and that is the closest galaxy.
There are estimated 2 trillion galaxies that is the one the best technology for observation has captured and we only know less that 1% of the real universe, meaning that 2 trillion galaxies is less than 1% of the actual universe. Among those galaxies some will take you billions upon billions of years to get to if you travel at light speed.
To spoil it all for you, space is expanding faster than light meaning man will never get to these galaxies at all because a galaxy that was 100 billion light years today will become a trillion light years before you know it and it keeps increasing its distance from you so that no flesh can get there.
There are many things in nature that many people will be shocked they exist, yes they can be observed and student. Only young inexperience scientist disbelieve in the possible existence of God many experienced scientist are convinced even without the bible that there is God, but they can say it out because of the naturalist ideology that forbids the mention of God.
Why do atheist gets triggered every time is measure, because deep inside them they knew they would be in trouble if he exist, that is foolishness whether anybody believe it or not God is real and he is God and man is man and subject to the judgment of his or her creator.

Westerhoffe:
“The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”
— Proverbs 8:22 (KJV)

This didn't say, "The LORD created me…" this is why we'll always never agree.

Below is the meaning of "possess"

possess
uk /pəˈzes/ us /pəˈzes/

Verb
possess (third-person singular simple present possesses, present participle possessing, simple past and past participle possessed)

(transitive)
To have (something) as, or as if as, an owner; to have, to own.
Synonym: inhold

Of an idea, thought, etc.: to dominate (someone's mind); to strongly influence.
Of a supernatural entity, especially one regarded as evil: to take control of (an animal or person's body or mind).

(also reflexive, chiefly literary and poetic) Of a person: to control or dominate (oneself or someone, or one's own or someone's heart, mind, etc.).
To dominate (a person)
(archaic)

To cause an idea, thought, etc., to strongly affect or influence (someone); to inspire, to preoccupy.

To occupy the attention or time of (someone).
(also literary) To obtain or seize (something); to gain, to win.
(also reflexive) Chiefly followed by of or with: to vest ownership of something in (oneself or someone); to bestow upon, to endow.

Synonym: seise

Antonyms: dispossess, unpossess
(law) To have control or possession of, but not to own (a chattel or an interest in land).
(obsolete)
To give (someone) information or knowledge; to acquaint, to inform.
To have the ability to use, or knowledge of (a language, a skill, etc.)
To inhabit or occupy (a place).
Chiefly followed by that: to convince or persuade (someone).
(intransitive)
To inhabit or occupy a place.
Conjugation

How does this rhyme with your explanation of JESUS CHRIST being created?

And even at that, it was a poetry not a literary writing, that guy does not no the difference, I smh

MaxInDHouse:
Automobiles, Electricity, Skyscrapers, airplanes, fast trains and all the things we see today as technological advancement on this planet none was without Adam do you agree?

Because it is through Adam that mankind spread to all the earth and it's his descendants that are subduing the earth just as God told him! Genesis 1:28

So all the things made were created through the first creature God made by himself alone! Proverbs 8:22-30

I don't get you, where did you read that Adam created all things?
How can Jesus create himself? use your sense na

Aemmyjah:
It means God used him in the creation of other things. Jesus is the only begotten son of God. He is the only one created by God. Jesus himself said that God produced him as the beginning of his way

There is no such things as "all other things" it was fraudulently added by Jehovah witness.

Janosky:
No Sir.
Hebrew 1:2, Isaiah 44:24 & Daniel 4:30 debunked your claim.
God MADE all things (including Jesus Christ, Rev3:14). Likewise, Nebuchadnezzar made Babylon through his workers/subjects).
Please go & verify.

Matthew 19:4-6 & 1 Corinthians 8:6,is Jesus the source of creation?
@ 1 Corinthians 8:6,Is Paul LYING against Jesus?


Mark 13:19 " the beginning of Creation which God created" according to Jesus Christ.

scriptures says there was nothing made that was made without christ so how could something be made without christ, use your sense atleast for once

Michael547:
Ok explain the use of the word 'FIRSTBORN Son' in col 1:15 and 'FIRSTBORN from the dead' in col 1:18.

Does David being the firstborn of the kings of the earth mean he is the first to be king?

Michael547:
Oga I clearly said you should explain better. Explain Col 1:15 and col 1:18.

Do you agree that David being the first born of the kings of the earth does not mean he was the first king ?

Aemmyjah:
But he calls himself the beginning of God's Creation

It means he is the source and ruler of God's creation because all things were made by him.
Scrupture says without him nothing created would exist meaning he himself is not part of created things.

Aemmyjah:
Jesus was actually the first to have a real resurrection
All others resurrected died again but Jesus lived forever



Psalm 89:27
And I will place him (David) as firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.

David was not firstborn. He was not even son of Saul. It was talking about favor. Jehovah favored him as king as if he were s firstborn who usually receive kingship. David was not the highest king on the earth by human standpoint but from Jehovah's standpoint, as king ruling over His own people and in his holy city, he was the highest of all earthly kings.

Note the highlighted (will) as if it was talking about a future event
But David was already dead. So that prophecy had a greater fulfillment - on the Messiah, Jesus- God's firstborn and king over all the earth. Several scriptures referring to David were also or had greater fulfilment on the Christ

So David being the first born does not mean he is the first king right?
Jesus being the firstborn over all creation has does not mean he was the first to be made but it means he has pre-eminence over all creation.

Michael547:
So what does in the beginning when Jesus was with God refer to? Was John implying that God and Jesus had a beginning? OR That Jesus was not with God before the beginning?

No John never implied that Jesus had a beginning rather it means that at the time when all things were created Jesus was present meaning he was not part of creation.
when did John say Jesus was not with God before the beginning?

Michael547:
What does firstborn from the dead mean in col 1:18?
And what does firstborn over all creation mean in col 1:15?

So David being the firstborn of the kings of the earth mean he is the first king?

etrange:
These people you mentioned took a decision to do what they're doing. Being gay is hormonal. There's a difference. Whether a gay person sleeps with someone of the same gender or not doesn't stop them from being gay. They're attracted to the same gender and they fall in love with people of the same gender regardless of whether they eventually act on it or not. Attraction and love are not the kind of things you control. It's like complexion.

The only time a human nature is considered delinquent is when it hurts another party. So even if you don't agree with my submission above, it still doesn't justify the decrimination. Like, why would you hurt someone for doing something you don't like? Every delinquency you mention up there hurts another party. Gay people don't hurt anyone. I honestly don't get why Africans are so obsessed with other people's sex life.

Why should you not do something that hurt other people, if it would benefit you?
You seem to say if something has being part of human society then it should be normalized then I only showed you such logic is flawed.
Just because something is has always being practiced doesn't make it abnormal. Human desires shouldn't be the standard.

gay or homosexuality is abnormal and should never be normalized. Passing laws to normalize what is abnormal is a no no.
what do you mean Africans, are there no westerners that are against homosexuality, why is it every Africa? In other to sound woke.

Michael547:
col 1:18 says that Jesus was the FIRSTBORN from the dead, meaning that he was the first one to be raised from the dead.
Now Your CEV Translation says that Jesus was not only the superior but also the firstborn son in respect to all creation. So how do you want to argue that Jesus was not the first person to be created?
Now can we also apply the word FIRSTBORN SON Or FIRSTBORN from the dead, in Col 1:18 and Col 1:15 to The God that Jesus was with in John 1:1,2?

Actually Jesus is not the first to rise from the dead.
Firstborn from the dead is different from firstborn over all creation.
David was called the firstborn of the kings of the earth it does not mean David was the first king does it?

Michael547:
So if it was in the beginning of the creation that Jesus was with God as explained in verse 2, why was Jesus not with God before the creation of heaven and earth?

Oga Jesus was with God before the creation of heaven and earth.
Read again Jesus was with God in the beginning not created in the beginning anyone that was not created in the beginning was not created at all.
Creation was made in the beginning, all angels, man and animals even marriage was created in the beginning, the beginning is the whole period when things were created but for the word he already was at that beginning he was not created.

etrange:
People are beginning to realize that it unnatural for the more than 7 billion people on earth to be born straight. That's not how nature works. There'll always be exceptions. Look around you and tell me one aspect of nature that has no exception? None because diversity is the beauty of nature. So let's be practical in thoughts and acknowledge the fact that same sex attraction is part of human nature. It has always existed and it'll always exist.

same way rapist, pedophiles and murders exist and should be accepted because of the beauty of diversity, as such desires are part of human nature? Right?

Michael547:
So what beginning does verse 2 refer to?

Did you see the article "The" attached to "beginning" it means there is only one beginning which is the period of time when God created things.
The word was already present at the time he goes beyond creation.

Michael547:
So what does the statement 'in the beginning was the word' mean in John 1:1?

It means In the beginning of creation the word was already present meaning he was not part of creation

Michael547:
So is Jesus now equal to the Almighty God?

yes Jesus is the Almighty God.

bloodofthelamb:
What is true about God is also true about Jesus Christ. They are both of the same nature and form(John1:1).

I believe the Father is only greater than the Son just in role or rank.
What do you guys think?

blood of the Lamb I hope you alright long time, I am solite3

You are right Jesus and the father has one nature but different roles or rank.
In role or rank the father is greater as he is the authority of God.