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The biggest miracle is the creation of the universe, even scentist although they cannot explain but yet evidence points that the universe has a beginning, now which means whatever brought the universe into existence is outside space-time.
If the all scientific evidence points to the biggest miracle which is the creation of the universe out of nothing then snake talking, Noah's ark, fish that swallow Jonah etc is little in comparison.
One miracle is needed for science to be possible and that is the creation of the universe but however miracle is miracle, everybody believes in atleast one miracle.
To belive your existence is just by chance is another miracle in itself.

BIBLESPEAKS:
The truth constantly stares many in the face, but they would rather hang on to centuries-old falsehood like the trinity or a belief in a triune God. This post is for those who wish to investigate their bibles in search for the truth about God.
Please consider this, carefully.

The doctrine of the Trinity is in the bible, The church had always believe in the person of the father, Son and Holy Spirit.

If Jesus is Almighty God...

1. Then why is "God head of Christ just as Christ is head of man"? (1 Cor. 11:3)

Christ is lower than the father due to his incarnation and for the fact that the father has a different office from the Son and the Holy Spirit.

2. Then why does Scripture consistently phrase Jesus as a separate person from God? (John 20:17; John 14:1; Mark 10:18; John 17:1-3; etc. Also in heaven, 1 Cor. 11:3; Luke 22:69; etc.)

The Trinity teaches that the father, Son and Holy Spirit are individual persons but however same God.

3. Then how can Jesus have a God? Could Almighty God have a God? (Mic. 5:4; Ps. 45:6, 7; 89:26; John 20:17; Rom. 15:6; 2 Cor. 1:3; Eph 1:3; Col 1:3; Mark 15:34; John 17:1-3; Also in heaven, Rev. 1:6; 3:2, 12).

If you understand Jesus incarnation, then you would have known that Since he was a man he now has his father as his God.

. Then why does Scripture say he was born and is part of Creation? (Col. 1:15)

Jesus took part of creation by his incarnation.
Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
However, the word firstborn as used in col.1:15 means preminence.

5. Then why does Rev. 3:14 say that Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God"?

The beginning means he is the source and ruler of God's creation.

6. Then why is he subject to GOD, like we're subject to him? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28; Eph. 1:17)

again as a human he is and will be subject to God.

7. Then why does Micah 5:2 say that Jesus' ORIGIN was “from early times”?

early times actually time indefinite, that is how God's origin is described for example in Habakuk 1 vv 2, God is said to be from early times. Also in psalm 90 God is said to be God from early times to early times or time indefinite, eternity can also be referred to as time indefinite or ancient time.

8. Then why does Jesus not know what God knows? (Matt. 24:36, Rev.1:1; Luke 8:45)

Jesus was working withing the limit of his humanity.

9. Then why is Jesus still subject to God when he is as high as he will ever be? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28)

when Jesus took on flesh he was no longer as high as his father infact when he was on earth before his resurrection he was even a little lower than the angels.

10. Then why does Proverbs 8:22-31 show that the Messiah was CREATED / PRODUCED by God?

Since you agreed that Jesus is the wisdom of God are you then saying that God created his own wisdom? IN
Proverbs 8 vv22-23 the word create simply means to ordain or set over in position over all things.

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

You can see that wisdom was possessed by God before his works (creation) meaning wisdom was not created but was established before God's creation.

11. Then why is he not powerful enough to subject things to himself? (1 Cor. 15:27, Eph. 1:17, 22)

Christ has the power to subdue all things unto himself.
Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

12. Then why would he have to be given any power and authority? (Mt. 28:18; 11:27; Jn. 5:22; 17:2; 3:35; 2 Pet. 1:17)

Because he took a lower position of a servant.

13. Then why did he have to learn anything? (Heb. 5:8; John 5:19; 8:28)

Since Jesus became a man he experienced life as all humans do except he never sinned.

14. Then why is speaking against him not as bad as speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Mt. 12:31,32; Luke 12:10)

that is due to the office of the holy Spirit as the power of God.

15. Then why did Jesus call the "Father...the only true God"? (John 17:3)

The father's position is to be the source of authority and power hence he is called "the God" the devil is also called "the God" of this world because he is also the source of authority and power for decieved men. So the Word "God" can be used to described one in position of authority and power or one who is truly God. The Father is the ultimate source of authority and power and hence the only true God among other false gods competing for the father's position.

16. Then why did he need to be saved? (Heb. 5:7; John 12:27)

as a man he genuinely was sacred to die and hence need to be saved from this fear of dieing that is why he prayed father not my will but thine will be done.

17. Then why did he have to be exalted to Leader and Savior? (Acts 5:31)

same thing, he took the lower position of a nobody but was exalted to his position as Lord and saviour.

18. Then how could he be exalted and given a higher name than he had? (Phil. 2:9-11; Heb. 1:2-4)

Same thing, name here means authority.

19. Then why did he have to be given life in himself? (John 5:25,26)

Jesus as a man was totally dependent on the father, he was able to live, die and resurrect because the father has already given him that power to have life in himself.

20. Then how can the Father be greater than he? (John 14:28).

In position and as a man the father is greater.

21. Then how could Jesus be tempted by Satan when God cannot be tempted with evil? (James 1:13)

Because he was a man.

22. Then why did he worship the Father? (John 4:22)

who should men worship? Since Jesus was a man he worship the Father who is the only true God.

23. Then why can he not do anything on his own? (John 5:19; 6:38)

This is a merry go round question. He came by the will of the father and to do the will of the father, so he had to totally depend totally on the father.

24. Then why would he pray to anybody? (Luke 22:44; John 17:1,2; Heb. 5:7)

again because he is a man and he wanted to live an example for us.

25. Then why do John 1:18 and 1 John 4:9 say that Jesus is God's "only BEGOTTEN Son"? ASV

only begotten simply means he is unique, he is a Son because of his eternal relationship he had with the father. God is love and for love to exist there has to be a relationship. Since God is love there exist relationship within the Trinity, the kind of relationship that exist between "the word" and "the God" is a Son to father relationship, that is why God also want to establish a relationship with us humans because he is love.

26. Then how can he be God's servant? (Acts 4:26,27,30)

Philippians 2 says Jesus took the position of servant in other to take our place on the cross.

27. Then how could he receive strength from an angel? (Luke 22:43)

because Jesus, like Adam was a little lower than the angels.

28. Then how could he be a mediator between God and man? (1 Tim. 2:5)

because he is a man only man can be a mediator for men.

29. Then how could he be with God (ton theon)? (John 1:1)

Because he is a separate person from the Father.

30. Then how can he be God's image? (Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3)

He is God who became visible as a man.

31. Then why is he called the agency (dia) of creation and not the Originator (ek)? (1 Cor. 8:6; John 1:1-3; Prov. 8:30; Heb. 2:10; Col. 1:15,16)

It is his person and office as the word through whom the father's plan, Will and commands comes to pass.

32. Then why did Jesus say GOD was "good" in a way that Jesus was not? (Mark 10:18)

Jesus never said he was not good but goodness does not originate from humanity but God hence call no man good but God.

33. Then why does he have an archangel's voice instead of God's voice? (1 Thess. 4:16)

Jesus does not have the arch angel's voice but rather he comes with the voice of the archangel meaning the archangel comes with him at his coming.

34. Then why is the only "worship" given to him the same given to humans? (Heb. 1:6, cf. Mt. 18:26; Rev. 3:9 - "Proskuneo"

that word proskuneo is also used in reference to God, Jesus is given same worship as the father. In Revelation same honor, glory and majesty given to the father is also given to the Son.

35. Then why do many who believe this rely on a few selected, so-called 'proof-texts' instead of the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible?

ignorance or deliberate attempt to twist scriptures to teach what they intends.

36. Then how could he be commanded to do anything? (John 12:49; Deut. 18:18)

37. Then why did Steven see two separate entities, GOD and Jesus, and not just one God or three persons? (Acts 7:55)

38. Then how could he be seen at GOD's right hand? (Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55; Rom. 8:34)

39. Then how could Jesus be exalted (not to become God Himself, but) to the position of the "right hand OF God"? (Acts 2:33)

40. Then why would he have to receive a revelation from God? (Rev.1:1)

41. Then why is he called God's "begotten" Son before he came to earth? (John 3:16; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:9)

42. Then how could he have a Father? (John 20:17)

43. Then how could he come in flesh? (1 Kings 8:27; Acts 17:24,25)

44. Then why did he not come in his own name? (John 5:41-44)

45. Then why did Jesus "come down from heaven to do" God's will and not his own will? (Luke 22:42; John 6:38; John 5:30; John 8:42)

46. Then how could he appear before GOD? (Heb. 9:24)

47. Then how could he die? Can God die? Can part of God die? (Rom. 5:10; Acts 5:30; 1 Cor. 15:3; Hab.1:12; cf. 1 Tim. 6:16; Num. 23:19; Ps. 90:2; Dan. 6:25-26)
48. Then why is it that God resurrected Jesus? (Acts 2:32)

49. Then why can we see him if "no man has seen God at any time"? (John 1:18)

50. Then why is there not one clear Scripture where Jesus is called "God the Son," (equal to those declaring "God, the Father)?

51. How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but neither the Jewish officials nor even one of these false witnesses made a claim that he was God or equally God? (Matt. 26:59-67)

52. John summed up his whole Gospel by saying that it was written that we may believe "that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God." Why is there is no mention in that summary of the entire Gospel of what would be the most important thing of all - that Jesus is God? (John 20:31)

53. How could Jesus teach in the Jewish synagogues and the temple? This would never happen if any of the authorities believed he claimed to be God (or that his followers believed such a thing). - Matt. 26:55; John 7:14, 28. Matt. 4:23.

54. How could Jesus' followers teach in Jewish synagogues after Jesus' death and for the remainder of that first century (at least)? Again, this would not have been allowed if there were any suspicion that they believed Jesus to be God. Acts 9:20; 13:5, Acts 13:13-15.

Jesus' purpose of coming was to be the suffering servant and to die for the sins of the word, he mostly taught in parables and did not reveal everything but said the holy spirit would reveal them. Jesus however do give hint about his divinity both in his parable, life and works, at some times the pharisees wanted to stone him because they said he claimed to be God but he didn't deny their allegations, one of the foremost reasons they kill Jesus was because they claim he blasphemed.

If the Holy Spirit is Almighty God...

1. Then why do quotes from Trinitarians admit that the Holy Spirit is not God but rather is a force from God?

2. Then why would Jews instructed in the Old Testament scriptures and in the teachings of John the Baptist, NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS? (Acts 19:2)

3. Then why isn't the Holy Spirit given equal description in the Bible?

4. Then why didn't Jesus ever teach that the Holy Spirit was God along with the Father and Son?

5. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as an "it"? (Is. 34:16 ASV, KJV; Numbers 11:17, 25 ASV, KJV, RSV, NRSV, AT, LB, NEB, REB, NAB, JB, NJB; and Romans 8:16, 26 in the KJV.)

6. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as a thing that can be poured out into portions? (Acts 2:17, 18, 33; Numbers 11:17, 25)

7. Then why is the holy spirit nameless and indistinguishable from all of the other holy spirits?

8. Then why did the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD disregard the Holy Spirit as a member of the Godhead when they made Jesus 'God' in 325 AD? Why did they wait until the Council of Constantinople in 381 AD to include the Holy Spirit in the formula?

9. Then wouldn't the water and blood be persons too according to Trinitarian reasoning and 1 John 5:8?

10. Then why is the Holy Spirit sandwiched between a list of QUALITIES at 2 Cor. 6:6?

11. Then why does the NT Greek Lexicon describes the Holy Spirit as "this" at Acts 2:33?

12. Then why is it that nowhere in the Bible is the Holy Spirit ever said to be an equal member of a trinity?

13. Then why is it that nowhere is it mentioned in the Bible the words, "God, the Holy Spirit," or "The Holy Spirit is God"?

14. Then why is it that there is never mentioned a vision, dream or clear description in scripture wherein God and the Holy Spirit are shown as the same person?

If the Trinity Doctrine is a Bible teaching...

1. Then why do NUMEROUS encyclopedias agree that
"... the doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation; that it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian scriptures; that it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity"? – p. 34, The Church of the First Three Centuries, Alvan Lamson, D.D.

2. Then why do many encyclopedias, dictionaries and other sources (including Sir Isaac Newton) agree that the "Trinity was a pagan corruption imposed on Christianity in the fourth century by Athanasius"?

3. Then why does the Bible consistently identify God by singular person pronouns: "I, "Me," "He, and "Him" instead of "We", "Us", "They" or "Them"?

4. Then why does 2 Cor. 13:14 say that the Lord Jesus Christ is one individual, the Holy Spirit is another individual (whether a person or a thing), and that "GOD" IS ANOTHER DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL?

5. Then why is there not even one Scripture which clearly defines the Trinity?

6. Then why is there not even one Scripture of a vision, dream, or CLEAR description wherein God is shown as three persons?

7. Then why is there not even one Scripture where God is described using the word "three"?

If the Holy Spiirt is called an "it" it is due to gramatical nature of the word "Spirit" however Jesus clearly referred to the Spirit as a person, who will reveal, bear witness and be an helper, the Holy Spirit can get angry, can be sinned against (you can't sin against a mere force) and his name (authority) is equally used in baptism just like the father and the Son.
God said he filled the heavens and the earth does that mean he is not a person? Same way the holy spirit can fill the believers in different measure but however he is a person. He can also be grieved, an impersonal force cannot grieve.
He spake in Acts to separate Barnabas and Paul for the work that he has for them.
You see that the Holy Spirit is a person like he father and the Son.
I hope these help.

MaxInDHouse:
Just calm down and listen to him when we tell them to follow what the Bible says about Jesus they will start accusing us!

But you always run away or dodge whenever you are ask.
The scripture is the authority, I remembered I proved to you that Jesus is God from colosians but you ran away.
There are tons of other verses that prove that Jesus is God if only you are sincerely interested.

AllenSpencer:
“Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, non but ourselves can free our minds”

Bob Marley

But Bob was a slave to sin just like every human, true freedom comes from the Son of God.

MrPRevailer:
Jesus is called ONLY BEGOTTEN because he came out from God.

John 16:27-28 "I came out from God. Neither came I by myself but he sent me.".

Why don't many christians know and use this?

Yes Jesus is the word that came out from God, as for the word " Only begotten" the Greek word is monogenes which means one and only, it describes uniqueness of Christ relationship with the Father rather than just his incarnation.

If you want to be saved and part of Christ kingdom, you would your sin washed away be reborn, this happens when you accept the Lord Jesus christ as your Lord and saviour. If you believe in the Lord Jesus and that he died and God the father raised him from the dead, congratulations you are saved you can now body confess that Jesus is your Lord and saviour to anyone you meet because you have just being saved.

For more spiritual growth it is advisable to seek for a church the preach nothing else than christ and him crucified and for instruction on holy living.

People foolishly ask who created God? Where was God before he created the universe? They think God need space to dwell, but recent discovery has found that space, yes empty space has a beginning and it is expanding meaning more space is being created.

Scripture tells us in the beginning was the Word, the word has no beginning he was there at the very beginning of creation, he is beyond creation, the word was with God the father and the Word was same God with the Father.

The word was a distinct person from the Father but yet same God with the Father and the Spirit. God by his nature cannot be created nor destroyed neither does he change, he is eternally a trinity of persons, when there was no space or time only God exist, There was no heaven, nor earth nor angel, no time only God. (The father, Son and Holy Spirit).

The word is a person just like the father and The holy Spirit.
A person here does not mean human it means God's self consciousness of being.
When the word became human he didn't stop being God, but rather he added the human nature to his divinity.
Today Jesus remains the God-man, having complete humanity and complete divinity.

The humanity of the word.
When the word took upon himself the human nature, he became like us in every way except sin.

Meaning he could get tired, eat, sleep had limited knowledge, coul be limited in space and time, that is why he said it is better for him to go, so the Holy Spirit can come. Jesus had to finish his earthly ministry for the holy Spirit to come, it would important to note that Jesus didn't become the holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is already another person of the Godhead just like the father. Jesus was a perfect man like Adam was. Just like Adam before his fall, Jesus was sinless but unlike Adam he didn't give in to the temptation of sin. He obey and submitted to the father till his last breath.
Jesus died as the perfect man but he was raised not just as the perfect man but as the glorified man, before his resurrection he like Adam was a little lower than the Angels but after his resurrection he became higher than the angels in his humanity, Jesus is the first fruit of what Christians will become at his comings, we will become glorified like christ and reign with him.
Jesus would continue to reign as a man till he has put down all opposition and destroy death then he would hand over the redeemed kingdom of men back to the father and he himself as a reigning man would subject himself to the father.
This does not mean he would stop reigning or stop ruling as God's king nor that he would stop being a human but his humanity would be completely subject to the father, right now God's judgment is still be tempered by Jesus humanity, Jesus simpatise with our human weakness and mediate for us to receive help in times of need but ones will are already glorified all that won't be needed o Jesus humanity would then be forever subject to the father's will but he remains forever the God-man our saviour and our king.

The scripture reveals that Jesus is The word of God. He is not simply a product of the word of God, some false teachers teach that Jesus was just a man who attained Godhood, or that he is simply a man born by the word, in contrast the scripture is very precise about the identity of Jesus, he is The word of God, he is the eternal Son of God who took on flesh every Christian was born through the word of God that means through the gospel but they are not the word of God.

Jesus is the word who was not created, He is called the word due to his office or function withing the Godhead, he is the one through whom the father's will, command come to pass just as the holy ghost functions as the power of God to enforce God's decree and will and the father is the authority of God.

The Son is the one through whom the father's plan, decisions comes through, the father ordains things, he ordains and appoint the Son to be the saviour and ruler of creation and that all creation should worship and obey the Son.

The Son reveals God, he is the one that exercises the authority of the father.

If God is to be known it is by the revelation of the word.

Without the word, God can not be known, nothing can be created, the whole creation is governed and sustained by the word.
Scientist discovered that the universe, the very fabric of the universe ( space-time) actually had a beginning which necessitate a cause that is outside space and time meaning whatever created the universe must be spaceless and timeless not only that the law of thermodynamics require that the universe has a limited energy and one day it would run out of energy and die out in heat death.

gohf:
I have already told you, I don't believe your nonsense


I believe in Jesus the son of God, who was born and died and on the third day rose

Keep your mysteries depths to yaself.

Stop asking me if I believe in your own imagined Jesus

well I am sorry If I ever used harsh words on you but never call things concerning christ nonsense and another thing you really didn't answer the questions but anyways have a nice day.

Dsimmer:
The Orishas are also Yoruba histories and ancestors! As a matter of fact, They will always stay with the Yoruba, even as Ifa always talk about them because as a matter of fact, they're also intelligent education enlightenment 📌 and also, such intelligent creative talents need to be birthed forth.

Jesus christ is the way to God I will advice you to repent and put your trust in him only. As you yourself has said Jesus is the way not orishas or ancestors those will lead you astray.

Dsimmer:
The Orishas who are also Yoruba ancestors are what makes up the body, the universe and the intelligent creative talents embedded within humans and are required to be birthed into technical realities for the development of the society, just like the ancestors had done.

Orisha Ogun cosmos for example represent iron, iron works, chemistry, bravery agility etc. When Orisha Ogun the Yoruba ancestor came, he was a blacksmith, a wine maker and a warrior. These are all equivalent to the Orisha Ogun cosmos. He simply displayed his talents which aligned with the Orisha Ogun cosmos that formed the universe. In today's age and civilization, such talents would be metallurgy, mechanical engines/engineering, chemical industries, Self defense, boxing etc..

Hence, the celebration of the ancestors is a celebration of historical facts, as well as the constant reminder of the need to birth the intelligent creative talents within, like the Yoruba ancestors had done.

It doesn't matter as far as Jesus is The way to God, orishas and ancestors do not lead to the true God which means the only one that matters and the only one who matters to mankind is Jesus christ so it is Jesus christ that should be preached to men not ifa or anyother.

gohf:
Answer which questions? 😒

Nevermind, no be exam, I don't have to answer 😁

If you believe Jesus is uncreated that's your business, it doesn't change that he is the son of God.


If anyone keeps telling themselves that they believe in Jesus, calling him Lord Lord, without righteous and obedience, na him go still tell them get away from me you workers of iniquity for you have not done the will of my Father.


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No it is not just my business to know the identity of Jesus. Salvation depends on it, it doesn't matter how you feel if it is not based on the truth of God's word it is a lie.
You are dodging the question? Do you believe Jesus is the uncreated Son of God?

Dsimmer:
You're just asking gibberish at this point because I have answered you.

IFA says Ela, born of a virgin woman is the Messiah who's the way to God.

So if Jesus is The way to God, that means ancestors and other deities do not lead to the true God right?

Dsimmer:
What exactly are you even asking exactly when I already answered you. Ifa has only one God almighty which is Olorun Oluwa Olodumare who's got only one begotten child which is his word. The word is Ela born of a virgin woman and the Messiah. That's Ifa belief system which is similar to Christianity.

As for the Orisha, there are the creative aspect of Ifa. The Orishas represent intelligence and creative talents which God had put within humans needing to be birthed into technical realities for the development of the world.

That is not the question, does ifa acknowledge that Jesus is the only way to be saved?

Jackanda1:
Happy sunday.

The bible talks about hell and death been cast into the lake of fire.(Rev20:13-15)
This means every unsaved person is going to be swimming in fire for all eternity.

What about people who were unlucky to exist before the gospel got to their location? E.g people who lived and died before the gospel got to Nigeria.

What about most people in countries e.g north korea and other such countries who have little to no knowledge about christ?

What of people who were unfortunate(they're all going to hell) to be born into say islam, budhism, hinduism and other religious movements? You might say these people should simply convert to christianity just by hearing the gospel, but switching religion isn't that simple. They are plugged to their faith the same way you have been indoctrinated and plugged to yours.

What about other sects of christianity that aren't getting it right?

Are all of this people going to be thrown into the lake of fire recieving same punishment as shekau or Hitler for all eternity?

people go to hell because of their sin, Jesus came to redeem people from sin but not every one will accept him hence they die in sin.

God has given people evidence of his existence and power from the creation of the world if they sought God truly, they would have found him and he would have saved them through christ as Abraham who never knew christ in the flesh but was saved in Spirit by Jesus christ.
The problem is people reject God and hence die in their sin so there is absolutely no excuse for anyone anywhere at any time however punishment defers due to the level of knowledge and goodness bestowed on them but in all nobody have any excuse.

Dsimmer:
Ifa says Ela born of a virgin woman is the Messiah.

the word messiah is an Hebrew word for anointed one. Does ifa acknowledge that Jesus is the only way to be saved? That is all that matters.

gohf:
lol even scripture states, all your righteous is like filthy rag
Yet it also repeated states that it is the righteous that will be saved

What does the whole bible both scripture and gospel tell you?

Before you read one verse out of context, try reading it with the Holy Spirit at best.

Can't you tell the difference between self righteousness and righteousness that comes from faith, for both Paul, James and the author of Hebrews and John agree, that faith without works, without love, without obedience to God is dead, a lie and fake.


Do you now spun a new doctrine of believing in an uncreated Jesus. You can go ahead, the gospel I preach is not with persuasive words of men.

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you didn't answer all the question.
What do you mean by Jesus is the beginning but the father is before the beginning?
If your righteousness is like a filthy rag how do you now trust in your righteousness?
Do know that the righteousness through faith is not gotten by performance but a gift to those who believe in God's salvation.
Self righteousness is exactly what you are trusting.
Faith in Jesus leads to good works and holiness because faith in Jesus it includes following his leadership due to trust in him instead of trusting our performance in other words we do righteousness but we don't put our faith on our performance but on the Lord Jesus.

Dsimmer:
The existence of Jesus isn't a mystery. Yoruba Ifa talks about Jesus several times. Ifa calls him Ela, the word or Jewesun, the lamb. IFA talks about him several times such as,

Talked about Ela as the word of God.

Talked about how Ela has always been with God from the beginning of creation.

Talked about Ela as the only begotten child of God and would be born of a virgin woman.

Talked about how Ela who's often referred to as Orunmila spent 3 days and 3 night in the grave before he came out.

Simply put, Jesus is the word of God who became flesh, died and resurrected. That's what IFA says. Same thing in the scriptures.

Did ifa tell you that Jesus is the only door to eternal life?

helinues:
Adultery/fornication brought him to this earth.

Not disrespecting any religion but that's the fact

How come we are yet to see another person getting pregnant without s.x?

Is there anybody who have died and rose again never to die again like Jesus? Jesus is unique, he is divine not like the rest of us.

Man don't understand why Jesus Christ is called the only begotten Son of God. When scripture uses the word "only begotten" it does not simply means the only Son that was birthed, for example Isaac was called Abrahamm's only begotten Son not because Abraham didn't have other Sons but because Isaac is the only one born through a promise.
Hebrew 11:17.

Jesus is referred to as the only begotten Son some translation uses one and only, John said they beheld Jesus glory it is as of the only begotten of the Father.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus christ is the only Son that was not created every other son are made in the likeness of God's original Son, Jesus as a Son has being with the father throughout all eternity.

Jesus as a Son is the revelation of the father, no body has ever seen the father not even Moses or Abraham or the prophet, the person whom the saw is the Son, the son is the one that interacted with Moses Abraham and all the prophets, He appears as the angel of the Lord but he is not an angel.
Just as words ( audible) reveals your thought(inaudible) so the Son (image of God) reveals the father( invincible).
The Son Is one God with the Father. Though he is a separate person from the Father yet he us same being with the father.

gohf:
lol I never said Jesus isn't eternal

You were the one who called the Father's only begotten son, uncreated 🤷🏿‍♂️.

If you understood what creation means, you would understand what you said.

Anyway you said Jesus is the way, that's true, but what's this about human performance, are you saying you as a human have nothing to do to be saved 😳 then indeed you are right I have a different Jesus and we may not drink tea together in heaven 😭😭😭😭

Do you believe Jesus is the uncreated Son of God?
Go ahead what does creation mean? what do you mean that Jesus is the beginning but the father is before the beginning?
You believe you can be saved by your performance what does Romans 3 vv23 tell you?

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God2man2again:
Issue 1: Why would a man of God buy private jet?

I wouldn't say no reason but a man of God should be modest not greedily pursuing material things or lusting after filthy lucre and flaunting wealth but must be rich in good works.

Issue 2: The Bible was written by some people.

Yes the scripture was written by people through the inspiration of the holy Spirit, the hand of God guided the whole process of both the writing and the compilation.

Issue 3: They should sell the church buildings and use the money to build factory.

Though church building is not the church itself but it is a place where Christians gather to worship God. So church building is necessary for convenience and shelter congregants.

Issue 4: Chinese people are not religious yet they are better than us.

Being religious have nothing to do with economic growth, anybody that understand the principles of how things works and applies them would succeed regardless of whether they religious or not.

Issue 5: The men of God are the cause of the problem in Nigeria, they don't allow people to work, all they know is prayers, prayers, prayers and fasting.

No men of God are not the cause but some of them might be contributors to it. Alot of people pray ignorantly outside God's will and hence they don't get result, yes right prayer to the true God works but knowing and doing the will of God is Supreme and helps to pray right. One of God's principle is you reap what you sow if we sow corruption we reap corruption

Issue 6: The men of God establish universities to exploit the poor members, the universities can only be attended by rich church members, the poor people that paid the Tithe and offering cannot afford to go to the Church established universities.

Exploiting poor members is sinful, one of the mandate of the church is to take care of the poor and needy in the church, any church that is capable but fails in this regard must be avoided however, running higher universities are expensive.

Issue 7: What are they doing with the tithe and offering?

Tithe and offering is for the smooth running of the church to take care of church workers and to help those in need.

Issue 8: Nigeria Street is so full of many churches while there is no factory, no job.

It is not the duty of the church to build factory or create job that is not to say the church may not do it but it is the responsibility of the government. Having street full of church has nothing to do with lack of factory or jobs, in fact the existence of churches helps to curb alot of societal ills.

Issue 9: All men of God in Nigeria are fake.

This is just like saying because there are fake doctors therefore all doctors are fake.

Issue 10: There is no God. Why is there so much suffering in the world if truly there is God?

how can one have a product without a producer, there is no creation without a creator. The existence of evil actually prove there is God, how do we judge something as evil if there is no standard of goo and evil, if there is a standard for determining what is evil and what is bad who set that standard? There cannot be law without a lawgiver.

Issue 11: Men of God should not move with any escorts because God can protect. Why are they moving with escorts if truly God can protect them?

That God protect us does not mean we should open ourselves to danger. Some preachers decieve their members promising them security onces they buy special clothing or hand band or material this is a wicked lie. Protection lies in our obeying the commandment of God which also told us not to tempt God.

Issue 12: Prayers cannot solve our problems, we have been praying all these years, yet nothing happened.

empty prayer in sin cannot solve our problems but obeying God will.

If you are Christian and you would like to contribute to these issues, it would be highly appreciated but if you are not a Christian, your opinion is not welcome because I have already raised the issues of what you have been saying all these years.

Thank you.

You are welcome, hope this helps.

Gift96:
Have you ever thought about it? What exactly is this thing called life? We can explain life as the period from birth to death and the events in-between this time frame.

But What exactly is the purpose of life. I feel like we are just in a game.

The purpose of life can only be found in Christ Jesus. Jesus said " I am the way, the truth and the life" True life can only be found in christ that is knowing the father and the Son.
We were made to live in union with God(eternal life). It is only where we are come into the saving knowledge of Jesus christ and his father will life truly makes sense.

gohf:
implying, as how. Somebody that told John who wrote Revelations that he is the beginning and the end, alpha and omega. You are here typing all this ones.

Okay o, agree with whatever you believe sha make heaven let's drink tea together 😇

No the identity of Jesus christ is very serious because he is the way to heaven not our human performance.
If you don't believe that Jesus is the eternal, uncreated Son of God then you have a different Jesus.

Veecruz:
See how you are dribbling yourself because you now see that you are a liar and a devil for the topic is clearly posted om the header and introductory post. But because you are a devil you started seeing what you wanted to see.

Cursed are you and you shall die in your evils.

I pray God open your eyes and forgive you.

Veecruz:
Wow, you have become a serpent and atheist playing in the darkness of ambiguity, whereas everyone knows that God can use anyone or thing https://www.nairaland.com/7653054/god-use-anything-anyone-bless#122513019

And God won't just use anyone as proven by His Laws eg it is only the Levites who enter into His Sanctuary to do His Service and not just anyone.

You have become an evil and you already know what happens to people who become evil.

And I see now it is you Jesusjnr or so was referring to when he was saying that some people believe in Paul even over and above Jesus Christ because you are a devil

God can never be deceived no devil can ever escape His Wrath

smh.

Veecruz:
I had the inteepretation of anyone qualified to be used by God eg like God used Samuel even ad a child, same as He used Deborah, and same as He used Moses.

see your life now, so it is now God can use anyone qualified, no longer God can use anyone. You guys are bunch of liars.
you are confused as truespeak.

Veecruz:
Nope.

It is about leadership/oppression of women as done by the man in that position of leader, which includes everyone who leads whether king or bishop or coach or husband or wife who is the leader.

see how you are dribbling yourself. Confused one.

Veecruz:
Ahan na! Truespeak did not mention anything about bishop, elder and pastor, it was you who tried narrowing it to these people.

So what were we discussing?

Veecruz:
Stop pretending. You knew what he meant.

ok explain what he meant.

Veecruz:
If a woman is righteous, and her husband is equally righteous, then "The Law of Submit ye one to another" will be in full effect.

But if she is righteouser than her husband, her husband will submit to her. And knowing this would happen is why 99% of men run away from a woman who is righteous.

Or the most common thing is that they try and force her to make the mistake of dropping her up-rightness, so that they can be higher and better than her.

you are deluded.

truespeak:
Thank God everyone sees you have been the one twisting and turning and off pointing and deviating all the way .

While I have kept to the issue at hand.

So you are guilty of all of these and false accusations and lying and bearing false witness against your neighbour yet you call your self a Christian.

Shame on you!

where is the false witness? go and sleep, you know what you did, be truthful.