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Christianity Etc › Re: No Proof That The Father, Son And Spirit Are Coequal And Coeternal In The Bible by Steep(m): 7:58pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Why are you trying so hard to divert the thread? If you have any issues from the Qur'an you can open your thread!

I don't know why some Christians are so keen on avoiding the questions they can't answer only to go to the Qur'an which they think they know better than the Bible!

I don't think you can see your own poop. How can you be asking from a book you call corrupt? Is it not obvious when you are showed one you will quickly dismiss it that it was from a corrupted book?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Gonna Make War Here, Is It Jesus Or His Father Or The Spirit Or Trinity? by Steep(m): 7:54pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Racism is embracing one tribe only! Jews!

Muhammad is unlettered! Open your dictionary!

So Mohammad never wrote any book? So who wrote the Koran?

Allah revealed it to the Prophet thorough Angel Gabriel.

An Unlettered man reciting a book! Is that not a sign?

Muhammad was lettered, he did transactions for his wife. The word you Muslims translate as unlettered does not mean unlettered it means people without a book (scripture).

Where did Allah ask us to confirm from you and what is the context of the verses?

here it is. “If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers” (Surah 10:94-95; 16:43).

You are the one always diverting the thread and i go soon report you!

You are the one diverting, I asked you where did Jesus say he is the way for only the children of Israel at that time. You could not.

God is not human that has Penis and sperm!
So He is far above having son!

No!

Stop derailing my threads!

So are you saying a Son cannot be born without penise and sperm? So according to the Koran, how was Jesus born? Whose penis and sperm?

Christianity Etc › Re: No Proof That The Father, Son And Spirit Are Coequal And Coeternal In The Bible by Steep(m): 1:59pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
The creed that states the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are coequal and coeternal is the Nicene Creed.

- **Council of Nicaea**: The Nicene Creed was established at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. This council was convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine I to address the Arian controversy, particularly the teachings of Arius, who denied the full divinity of Jesus Christ.

There is no evidence of trinity in the Bible without reading it into some verses and then retranslating it.

This is also true for the creed that the Father = the son = the Holy Spirit!

There's no evidence for this anywhere in the Bible!

The theory was fixed by twisting some biblical references, along with theological reflections and debates of the early Church Fathers and this contributed to the formulation of the Nicene Creed, affirming the equality and eternity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Christian belief.

Why are you looking for evidence from the book you call corrupt?
Yet your god, allah asked you to confirm Koran from it.
Yet your confused Koran call Jesus word of allah and a spirit from him.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Gonna Make War Here, Is It Jesus Or His Father Or The Spirit Or Trinity? by Steep(m): 1:49pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Jesus had only Jewish Disciples! The Canaanite woman who came to him he almost send away because she was a Gentile. That's discriminatory and racism!
Matthew 15:26 I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel!

was Jesus racist when he called the jews whom he call the lost sheep?

The Prophet of Allah was involved in the writing of the Qur'an on patchment and leaves!

So mohamad wrote the quoran not allah right?

Jesus didn't write anything not did he authorize anything to be written!

Did allah write the Koran,

Because it contains many signs any human can't reproduce 1,445 years ago!

This is hilarious what signs?

How can the Bible be word of God? God is not the author of confusion!

Why did allah ask you confirm from the people of the book, allah is the most confused entity

Why would God need to born a son?
Did he gave birth through reproduction or adoption?

Why do you like dodging?
Do you believe Jesus when he said he is the son of God? Yes or No

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Gonna Make War Here, Is It Jesus Or His Father Or The Spirit Or Trinity? by Steep(m): 12:55pm On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
So Jesus your God was racist? Audhubillah!

How is he a racist when called his disciples (who were mainly jews at first) his sheep?

He said he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel. So he is the way, the truth and life only for the Israelites!
We believe Muhammad is Allah's messenger. Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah, etc too are Messengers!

So where did he say he was the way only to the jews at that time?

Show me Jesus's words? Did Jesus ever wrote anything or tell anyone to write?

Did allah write the quoran, why then do you believe the quoran is the word of allah?

I can explain Allah based on what He revealed about Himself.

Go ahead explain allah? How do you know the quoran is not a fabrication of mohamad?

How is Jesus the son of God, can you explain the process with proofs from the Bible?

Do you now believe the bible is the word of God?

Genesis 6:2-4: This passage refers to the "sons of God" taking human wives, leading to the Nephilim, which some interpret as fallen angels or divine beings.

Job 1:6: In this verse, the "sons of God" present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also appears among them.

Job 38:7: Here, the "sons of God" are mentioned as rejoicing at the creation of the world.

Psalm 82:6: This verse refers to humans as "gods" or "sons of the Most High."

John 1:12: In the New Testament, this verse speaks of those who believe in Jesus becoming "children of God."

Romans 8:14-17: These verses talk about believers being led by the Spirit of God and becoming heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, indicating their status as "sons of God."

Jesus is also son of God!

Psalm 82:6 “I said, ‘You are “gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.’

So how many sons and Children God get? How did He born them? By reproduction, adoption or metaphor?

Do you believe Jesus he is the only begotten Son of God?

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Gonna Make War Here, Is It Jesus Or His Father Or The Spirit Or Trinity? by Steep(m): 7:07am On Apr 22, 2024

AbuTwins:
Of course Jesus told the canaanite woman he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel. He even told her it is not right to toss the Children's bread and toss it to the dogs! Children here represent Israel while you, the woman and other Gentiles are the dogs! Matthew 15:21-28. In the end he gave the woman the crumbs she asked!

Jesus was speaking concerning his earthly healing ministry which was for only the jews.
Yes, anyone outside of God's covenant is a dog, because dogs especially in ancient times are kept outside.

Jesus is the way to God for the Israelites of his time. Those who believed in him we call Muslims!
Muhammad is for the whole world from his time! Those who believes in him we call Muslims!

Jesus never said he was the only way to the Israelites at that time, show me where Jesus said it?
Do you believe in Mohammad so he is your god?

Bring another lie!

what lie?

How can we believe it when it is unexplainable?
You can only be a son to someone by reproduction, adoption or metaphor!

I thought you said you believe Jesus words, what now happened? Can you explain allah? So how come you believe in allah you can't explain?

When Christians do not agree with any of the options above then what do we believe?

The Bible contradicted itself not me!

So which Christian do not believe Jesus is the Son of God?
How does the Bible contradict itself?

Christianity Etc › Re: How Many Wives Did God Give David When He Already Had 7 Wives? by Steep(m): 7:27pm On Apr 20, 2024

AbuTwins:
David had already been married to at least seven known-named wives. (1 Samuel 18:27, 25:42-43, 2 Samuel 3:2-5.)

Then God gave him Saul's wives after Saul
"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."
2 Samuel 12:8.

So how many wives did David have in total?
Is God for or against Polygamy?

If Polygamy is right for David how is it bad for others?
"Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. "1 Kings 15:5.

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. Polygamy is not a sin but it is not the original plan of God for marriage. God allowed some certain things till the messiah would be reveal and lead the Israelites to the perfect will of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Gonna Make War Here, Is It Jesus Or His Father Or The Spirit Or Trinity? by Steep(m): 7:04pm On Apr 20, 2024

AbuTwins:
What is the context of that verse?

Jesus said many things and you guys interpret it as you like!

Jesus said he is the way! And of course, he is the way for the children of Israel whom he was sent to according to Matthew 15:24

see how you are adding to Jesus words. Jesus did not say he is the way for the children of Israel,
John 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

he said he is the way to the father, and "no man can come to the father but through him

If you say Jesus is the way to God for Israel where does that leave Mohammad? I thought you Muslims believe Mohammad was for the whole world?
Do you believe

[b]Jesus is not the way for the people of Noah or Moses!
Neither is he the way for the people from the time of Muhammad!

All those who believe Jesus in truth till they die are Muslims.
That's what Muslims believe!

If Do Muslims believe Jesus when he call himself the Son of God?

If Jesus was sent by God and the Holy spirit was sent by Jesus then how can they be equal to one another? Does it make any sense?

What it reveals is that the Father is greater than all (Jesus and Spirit).

Jesus is greater than Spirit (Since Jesus sends it).

And we don't believe the Bible is the word of God!

See how you contradicted yourself so you don't believe the bible yet you want me to quote it for you and show you Jesus words when infact you don't believe Jesus said it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Gonna Make War Here, Is It Jesus Or His Father Or The Spirit Or Trinity? by Steep(m): 2:20pm On Apr 20, 2024

AbuTwins:
Quote verses to buttress your assertion!

Where did Jesus called himself "logos" (word)?

All this Sunday School theories no dey gel at all!

Even if Jesus said it by himself you won't still believe, you will say it is a c corrupted verse.
For example Jesus said "He is the way, the truth and the Life" Do you Muslims accept his words? No
Do you believe Jesus when he said he is going to send the Holy Spirit who is going to lead his disciples into all truth? Does that not tell you that the Holy Spirit reveal the truth concerning Jesus?

Travel › Re: The Story Of My Bike Accident By Deji Yesufu by Steep(m): 7:14pm On Apr 19, 2024

I pray for your quick recovery in Jesus name

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Christianity Etc › Can Humans Actually Live In Perfect Sinless World? by Steep(op): 4:22pm On Apr 17, 2024

Humans crave for a perfect life but a perfect life is a life devoid of sin.
Humans cannot live without sin hence cannot live in a perfect sinless world.
Scripture reveals that we humans are damaged creatures.

Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

That is why Jesus said you must be born again!
John 3:3 this takes place when we accept Jesus christ our Lord and saviour and his death as the only price needed for our redemption.

This damage can only be fixed in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

The reason why heaven is so perfect is because God is perfect. A house inhabited by dirty people will also become dirty and a house inhabited by neat people would be neat.
God is building a new creation made up of perfect people in a new heaven and earth.
Do you want to become part of the new creation?
Repent and put your faith in the Lord and saviour Jesus christ today.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Gonna Make War Here, Is It Jesus Or His Father Or The Spirit Or Trinity? by Steep(m): 3:51pm On Apr 17, 2024

AbuTwins:
I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns[diadems].

He has a name written on him that no one but he himself knows. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
(Revelation 19:11-16 NIV)

Who is gonna make war with Justice?
Who taught war to the Prince of peace? (that is if it is the Prince of Prince)
Why the bloodied robe?
Sharp sword is even coming from his mouth to strike down nations

You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword,” says the LORD (YAHWEH). Zephaniah 2:12

Do not assume that I (Jesus) have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

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Jesus Christ is the Word of God he exercise the authority and fulfills the plan of the father, he is God. All the plans and intentions of the father are fulfilled by the Son, He is God revealing himself. As the word of God he is the revelation of the father's power, authority and glory, he is also the express image of God meaning. He is God who became visible.

Jesus fulfilled the father's plan to redeem mankind by his sacrifice on the cross, in Revelation he is fulfills the father's will to appear and execute Judgment. He is God coming to execute his judgment on the world.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Joshua Selman Is A False Teacher By Shotola And Yesufu by Steep(m): 2:49pm On Apr 17, 2024*

The charismatic/pentecostal movement just like Roman catholicism and the rest are frought with errors and deceptions they depend on personal experiences and emotions rather than the word of God hence Satan leads them astray.
Once the word of God is kicked out then Satan can have his way, when he came to eve he made eve to doubt the word of word and hence made her fall.
The devil is smart, he infiltrates the churches with his ministers pretending to be of christ but subtly introduce errors.

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Romance › Re: This topic has been removed by Steep(m): 9:44pm On Apr 16, 2024

God is not just a consciousness neither is Jesus just a consciousness.
God is a personal being wants you to know him and to become his own.
God is not a malevolent being he is righteous and holy, he does not tolerate sin.
People do not like the truth that is why they believe all these lies.

People literally have preachers telling them to repent and believe in Jesus but they choose to turn deaf ears, hence they fall into deception.

People love to have a god that is aloof or a non personal God, or a God that has no standard or whose standard is just like them. This is the origin of idols, it is the reasons our ancestors created idols because they cannot have a God that is completely holy, righteous and judgemental.

God is holy, righteous and judgmental, he is a consuming fire but yet he is love.

People love to project Jesus as good and his father as malevolent but Jesus and the father are one, they have one charactera and are united.
Jesus came to this earth because the father sent him in other to save humans from sin.

God is The absolute and ultimate authority and judge, because he is holy he must judge sin.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The judgment for sin is death, this death is separation from God.
Hell is real and it is terrible it is the place of those separated from God.
God is love, life, joy, peace, satisfaction to name a few he is eternal life, separation from God means separation from all the aforementioned.
Hell is the embodiment of despair, untold punishment, darkness, hopelessness, gnashing of teeth and the worst of it all, it is a permanent state for all of eternity.

You choose hell, when you reject the free gift of God which is forgiveness of sin and eternal life in Jesus christ.

God is waiting for you to turn to him through his Son Jesus christ don't reject this, it might be your last chance. There is no reincarnation no second chance, this life is precious don't throw it away make the best decision turn to God through his Son Jesus christ.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Adeboye Exposed His Lies By Claiming He Drank Tea With God by Steep(m): 5:44pm On Apr 15, 2024

Sand2022:
This scripture doesn't mean that God can't speak to people today. This command is specifically saying that one can't add to the Mosaic law God gave Moses.

God has been and is still speaking to people today.

After Moses' day, God still spoke to many more prophets He raised like Jeremiah.

The book of revelation you quoted is specifically talking about that revelation or vision God gave to John. It doesn't mean God stopped speaking to people after that time. The last written book is not even revelation but 3John

Not every word God spoke made it to the bible canon. What we now call bible is what group of God lovers assembled for all who feared God. Their picking book so and so doesn't mean the words became God's after their selection. It had always been God's, only that God's human worshipers put them all together. They however, didn't gather all God had ever said to humans on earth. Jesus said many many other words that didn't appear in the bible record. Weren't those Gods word as well?

You need to remember that in most cases, God's true prophets are honoured long time after they die. When they're alive, many don't seem to believe them. Jeremiah and Jesus didn't get a thumbs up from the religious communities they lived in. We need to be careful that we're not becoming the unbelievers of our time.

If some claims to hear from God. It's ok, but what does his work promote? Does it promote what God hates? Does he promote a moral depraved lifestyle? We need to be properly guided lest we become fighters against God.

I don't know much about Adeboye, but I have not seen anything that will make me doubt him. And the biblical proves you bring to make your point doesn't match.

You are wrong in saying that the bible is just a collection of books by God lovers. Everything about the Bible was inspired by God both the writings and the collection where all inspired.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Though God speaks today but anything he say always inline with the already writing down scripture hence scripture serves as the basis to judge spirits if they are of God.

Who told you Jeremiah was not accepted by the religious community.
The jews accepted Jeremiah but rejected christ, the Jewish nation were the ones God used to preserve the old testament while the Christian church were the ones that God used to preserve the new testament, even Jesus christ acknowledge and subjected himself under the authority of the scripture. You will notice that God uses community of the people of God in preserving his word rather than individuals and all the people God used to write the Bible were well known and accepted by the whole of God's community.
For the old testament Moses was well known and a leader of God's nation, same goes with Joshua, David, Solomon, sons of Asaph, the prophets. As for the new testament same thing people who walked with christ during his earthly ministry or were a knowledge by those who walked with Jesus on earth.
No, pastor, bishop, general overseer etc has such authority that those who wrote the scripture had.

People lie all the time in the name of God and hence any revelation must be brought under scriptural examination.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Does It Mean To Walk In The Spirit? by Steep(op): 9:19pm On Apr 14, 2024

Steep:
Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

The scriptures reveals that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us who walk after the Spirit.

However, what does it mean to walk in the Spirit?

But first of all, scriptures reveals as many that are baptize into christ have put on christ.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

This is not just about water baptism but what water baptism stand for. When we get baptized into christ we are declaring our faith in him, that we are now united with him. Water baptism is a symbolic declaration of faith in christ. There is verbal declaration of faith in christ and symbolic declaration of faith.
Being in the Spirit
When we believe on the Lord Jesus, our sins were forgiven us, we were declared righteous, the holy ghost took residence in us, we were regenerated in Spirit, we became new creation and we became sons of God, at our new state we are in the Spirit.

walking in the Spirit
In other for us not to fulfill the desires of the flesh we need to walk in the Spirit.

What then is walking in the Spirit?
It simply mean to live in accordance with our new state. Walking in the Spirit requires knowledge of our new Spiritual state /position.

When you buy a brand new car, the first thing you do is to read the manual to know about the car. As we learn about the Lord Jesus, we Begin to see our image in him that is because our identity (who we are) is in christ. So our focus should be on Jesus. The scripture reveals our new state and position in christ.

Under the law people struggle to keep the law in other to become righteous but in christ we already become righteous but however we need to live as people who are already righteous, holy, blames because christ has made us so in him. in other words we are not struggling to be righteous halleluyah, rather we are righteous but living out our righteousnesses and holiness in christ, when we are commanded to holy in christ it means to live as holy people because we are actually a holy nation in the Lord Jesus christ.

When we live according to what christ as made us to be in him instead by the dictate of our flesh or the world we walk in the Spirit and hence overcomes in christ Jesus. Shallom

Christianity Etc › What Does It Mean To Walk In The Spirit? by Steep(op): 7:43pm On Apr 14, 2024

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

The scriptures reveals that the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us who walk after the Spirit.

However, what does it mean to walk in the Spirit?

But first of all, scriptures reveals as many that are baptize into christ have put on christ.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

This is not just about water baptism but what water baptism stand for. When we get baptized into christ we are declaring our faith in him, that we are now united with him. Water baptism is a symbolic declaration of faith in christ. There is verbal declaration of faith in christ and symbolic declaration of faith.
Being in the Spirit
When we believe on the Lord Jesus, our sins were forgiven us, we were declared righteous, the holy ghost took residence in us, we were regenerated in Spirit, we became new creation and we became sons of God, at our new state we are in the Spirit.

walking in the Spirit
In other for us not to fulfill the desires of the flesh we need to walk in the Spirit.

What then is walking in the Spirit?
It simply mean to live in accordance with our new state. Walking in the Spirit requires knowledge of our new Spiritual state /position.

When you buy a brand new car, the first thing you do is to read the manual to know about the car. As we learn about the Lord Jesus, we Begin to see our image in him that is because our identity (who we are) is in christ. So our focus should be on Jesus. The scripture reveals our new state and position in christ.

Under the law people struggle to keep the law in other to become righteous but in christ we already become righteous but however we need to live as people who are already righteous, holy, blames because christ has made us so in him. in other words we are not struggling to be righteous halleluyah, rather we are righteous but living out our righteousnesses and holiness in christ, when we are commanded to holy in christ it means to live as holy people because we are actually a holy nation in the Lord Jesus christ.

When we live according to what christ as made us to be in him instead by the dictate of our flesh or the world we walk in the Spirit and hence overcomes in christ Jesus. Shallom

Christianity Etc › Re: Biblically Ismael is A Legal Son Of Abraham from his wife Hagar. by Steep(m): 9:49pm On Apr 12, 2024

Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge to Christians: Is there any unambiguous scriptural Proof for trinity? by Steep(m): 9:47pm On Apr 12, 2024

AbuTwins:
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1. If trinity was proven according to the Bible why the need for credal debates and endorsements?

2. Since you claim trinity exists somewhere in the Bible can you please show us trinity without eisegesis nor exegesis! I don't need any of you subjective premises here. Objectivity is what is need! And do quote biblical verses acceptable in all bible versions not the ones present in KJV and not in RSV or NIV.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Notice the use of 'we' 'us'.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

Note, the person speaking identifies himself as yahweh (1 person) he said the Lord God ( another person) and his Spirit ( another person has sent him. Making them three distinct persons.
The Trinity is not a new testament teaching God has already revealed it in the old testament though the Jews might not understand it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do Jesus Commend Shrewdness And Unrighteous Wealth by Steep(m): 12:55pm On Apr 11, 2024

Jesus is not condoning unrighteousness, there is a parable that came before it. And another thing, you used an incorrect translation. Here is the kjv 1611 version.
Luke 16:9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
Mammon of unrighteousness refers to the money, satus and influence. What Jesus is saying is that we should use these for kingdom investment so that when these earthly things fail we would have friends in eternity.

This is an invaluable lesson for all Christian not to put trust an earthly accomplishment but instead use it for kingdom accomplishment because earthly accomplishment would fade away but kingdom accomplishment is for eternity.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Hermetica: The Lost Wisdom Of The Pharaohs by Steep(m): 12:24pm On Apr 11, 2024

all the gods of the nations are idols (empty and vain).

Psalms 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.

See the dead philosophy, it is always the same stupidity. The summary of the garbage is that human being are divine the so called messenger is only a guide to self discovery. Its all about self discovery garbage.

Satan allways want to tell people what they like not the truth, seeking truth from demons or is like searching for light in darkness all such a fool get is more darkness.

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Inspite of the increase of knowledge things are going from bad to worse, there is no other way apart from Jesus christ.

Repent and believe in Jesus christ, God is going to destroy this world with all her glory and splendor.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Story In The Bible Seem Complicated To You? by Steep(m): 3:56pm On Apr 10, 2024

brain54:
What about Jonah nko...

Wey fish swallow for 3 whole days?

Also the tree of life... God for no just use am tempt Adam and eve na. After all he is all seeing and know the end from beginning so He already know they will fall.

King Solomon wey marry 1000 wives apart from girlfriends na how he take dey run am?

Many of those Bible story no clear Sha!

The fish that swallowed Jonah was prepared by God for that purpose or you want to tell me you know all the fish that has ever existed?
First and foremost the tree of life was not put there as a test but to sustain man, I guess you are talking about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Adam and evil had to show their loyalty to good, hence God gave them some restriction.
No Christian would tell you Abraham, Solomon David where perfect, nobody is truly righteous by their works hence scripture says all have sinned and come short of God's glory.
In the time of the old testament christ has not being revealed,

Christianity Etc › Re: What Story In The Bible Seem Complicated To You? by Steep(m): 3:41pm On Apr 10, 2024

chatinent:
Is there a story you feel seem complicated? Kindly share!

I think mine would be Job. He did nothing and God was just like to Satan: "See my servant Job. There is no one on earth as faithful and good as he is..." and it led to Job's misery in the end by Satan only to rekindle it later.

Was that really necessary!

what you don't understand is that what happened to Job was a lesson, that man is not to rely on their righteousness or that doing righteousness does not mean life would not happen, it also teaches that trials are to try ones faith and after this there is victory for the righteous at the end as was job.

secondly it is a pointer to the suffering of christ who even though he was righteous yet suffered for the sin of the world.

Second, what was really the crime of the firstborn children of the Egyptians that was killed as part of the plagues?

It was a justice, you reap whatever you sow, the Egyptians killed the children of Israelites because of jealousy and now they lost theirs.

And I think it's the Pharaoh's story too. God sent Moses to tell Pharoah to let his people go. Pharoah refused. At a point under duress, he let the people go. And guess what? God still stiffens his heart that he pursued them?

God hardens pharaohs heart as a judgment so that pharaoh would fully bear the consequences of his sin. He hardened his heart against the word then God grant him his wish, his heart became hardened, when one rejects the God's goodness then God gives that person what he or she wants wrath.

In all honesty and with the suffering I don personally face for Nigeria, if the devil was erased from Eden from the beginning, life could have been easier. The Jesus story of dying for our sins is long procedures. Many years have passed to prove a point abeg

erasing Satan would not solve the problem of sin, Satan has already planted the sin of rebellion eliminating him would not remove the seed, God had equipped Adam and eve to defeat Satan, so it is their responsibility to obey God.

Jesus death shows that God's justice must be fulfill, God does not cut corners, all of God's righteous demand must be met, it also shows how much God hate sin.

And I can never believe a white man died for the sins of a black man.

O po ju o.

What is happening naw!

cc: Seun, Mynd44, Nlfpmod

But the technology you use today are mostly from the whites, even the language you used is from the whites, you don't have problems with these?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Story In The Bible Seem Complicated To You? by Steep(m): 3:18pm On Apr 10, 2024*

The biggest miracle is the creation of the universe, even scentist although they cannot explain but yet evidence points that the universe has a beginning, now which means whatever brought the universe into existence is outside space-time.
If the all scientific evidence points to the biggest miracle which is the creation of the universe out of nothing then snake talking, Noah's ark, fish that swallow Jonah etc is little in comparison.
One miracle is needed for science to be possible and that is the creation of the universe but however miracle is miracle, everybody believes in atleast one miracle.
To belive your existence is just by chance is another miracle in itself.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Have We Been Lied To About The Trinity Doctrine? by Steep(m): 3:14pm On Apr 09, 2024*

BIBLESPEAKS:
The truth constantly stares many in the face, but they would rather hang on to centuries-old falsehood like the trinity or a belief in a triune God. This post is for those who wish to investigate their bibles in search for the truth about God.
Please consider this, carefully.

The doctrine of the Trinity is in the bible, The church had always believe in the person of the father, Son and Holy Spirit.

If Jesus is Almighty God...

1. Then why is "God head of Christ just as Christ is head of man"? (1 Cor. 11:3)

Christ is lower than the father due to his incarnation and for the fact that the father has a different office from the Son and the Holy Spirit.

2. Then why does Scripture consistently phrase Jesus as a separate person from God? (John 20:17; John 14:1; Mark 10:18; John 17:1-3; etc. Also in heaven, 1 Cor. 11:3; Luke 22:69; etc.)

The Trinity teaches that the father, Son and Holy Spirit are individual persons but however same God.

3. Then how can Jesus have a God? Could Almighty God have a God? (Mic. 5:4; Ps. 45:6, 7; 89:26; John 20:17; Rom. 15:6; 2 Cor. 1:3; Eph 1:3; Col 1:3; Mark 15:34; John 17:1-3; Also in heaven, Rev. 1:6; 3:2, 12).

If you understand Jesus incarnation, then you would have known that Since he was a man he now has his father as his God.

. Then why does Scripture say he was born and is part of Creation? (Col. 1:15)

Jesus took part of creation by his incarnation.
Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
However, the word firstborn as used in col.1:15 means preminence.

5. Then why does Rev. 3:14 say that Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God"?

The beginning means he is the source and ruler of God's creation.

6. Then why is he subject to GOD, like we're subject to him? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28; Eph. 1:17)

again as a human he is and will be subject to God.

7. Then why does Micah 5:2 say that Jesus' ORIGIN was “from early times”?

early times actually time indefinite, that is how God's origin is described for example in Habakuk 1 vv 2, God is said to be from early times. Also in psalm 90 God is said to be God from early times to early times or time indefinite, eternity can also be referred to as time indefinite or ancient time.

8. Then why does Jesus not know what God knows? (Matt. 24:36, Rev.1:1; Luke 8:45)

Jesus was working withing the limit of his humanity.

9. Then why is Jesus still subject to God when he is as high as he will ever be? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28)

when Jesus took on flesh he was no longer as high as his father infact when he was on earth before his resurrection he was even a little lower than the angels.

10. Then why does Proverbs 8:22-31 show that the Messiah was CREATED / PRODUCED by God?

Since you agreed that Jesus is the wisdom of God are you then saying that God created his own wisdom? IN
Proverbs 8 vv22-23 the word create simply means to ordain or set over in position over all things.

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

You can see that wisdom was possessed by God before his works (creation) meaning wisdom was not created but was established before God's creation.

11. Then why is he not powerful enough to subject things to himself? (1 Cor. 15:27, Eph. 1:17, 22)

Christ has the power to subdue all things unto himself.
Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

12. Then why would he have to be given any power and authority? (Mt. 28:18; 11:27; Jn. 5:22; 17:2; 3:35; 2 Pet. 1:17)

Because he took a lower position of a servant.

13. Then why did he have to learn anything? (Heb. 5:8; John 5:19; 8:28)

Since Jesus became a man he experienced life as all humans do except he never sinned.

14. Then why is speaking against him not as bad as speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Mt. 12:31,32; Luke 12:10)

that is due to the office of the holy Spirit as the power of God.

15. Then why did Jesus call the "Father...the only true God"? (John 17:3)

The father's position is to be the source of authority and power hence he is called "the God" the devil is also called "the God" of this world because he is also the source of authority and power for decieved men. So the Word "God" can be used to described one in position of authority and power or one who is truly God. The Father is the ultimate source of authority and power and hence the only true God among other false gods competing for the father's position.

16. Then why did he need to be saved? (Heb. 5:7; John 12:27)

as a man he genuinely was sacred to die and hence need to be saved from this fear of dieing that is why he prayed father not my will but thine will be done.

17. Then why did he have to be exalted to Leader and Savior? (Acts 5:31)

same thing, he took the lower position of a nobody but was exalted to his position as Lord and saviour.

18. Then how could he be exalted and given a higher name than he had? (Phil. 2:9-11; Heb. 1:2-4)

Same thing, name here means authority.

19. Then why did he have to be given life in himself? (John 5:25,26)

Jesus as a man was totally dependent on the father, he was able to live, die and resurrect because the father has already given him that power to have life in himself.

20. Then how can the Father be greater than he? (John 14:28).

In position and as a man the father is greater.

21. Then how could Jesus be tempted by Satan when God cannot be tempted with evil? (James 1:13)

Because he was a man.

22. Then why did he worship the Father? (John 4:22)

who should men worship? Since Jesus was a man he worship the Father who is the only true God.

23. Then why can he not do anything on his own? (John 5:19; 6:38)

This is a merry go round question. He came by the will of the father and to do the will of the father, so he had to totally depend totally on the father.

24. Then why would he pray to anybody? (Luke 22:44; John 17:1,2; Heb. 5:7)

again because he is a man and he wanted to live an example for us.

25. Then why do John 1:18 and 1 John 4:9 say that Jesus is God's "only BEGOTTEN Son"? ASV

only begotten simply means he is unique, he is a Son because of his eternal relationship he had with the father. God is love and for love to exist there has to be a relationship. Since God is love there exist relationship within the Trinity, the kind of relationship that exist between "the word" and "the God" is a Son to father relationship, that is why God also want to establish a relationship with us humans because he is love.

26. Then how can he be God's servant? (Acts 4:26,27,30)

Philippians 2 says Jesus took the position of servant in other to take our place on the cross.

27. Then how could he receive strength from an angel? (Luke 22:43)

because Jesus, like Adam was a little lower than the angels.

28. Then how could he be a mediator between God and man? (1 Tim. 2:5)

because he is a man only man can be a mediator for men.

29. Then how could he be with God (ton theon)? (John 1:1)

Because he is a separate person from the Father.

30. Then how can he be God's image? (Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3)

He is God who became visible as a man.

31. Then why is he called the agency (dia) of creation and not the Originator (ek)? (1 Cor. 8:6; John 1:1-3; Prov. 8:30; Heb. 2:10; Col. 1:15,16)

It is his person and office as the word through whom the father's plan, Will and commands comes to pass.

32. Then why did Jesus say GOD was "good" in a way that Jesus was not? (Mark 10:18)

Jesus never said he was not good but goodness does not originate from humanity but God hence call no man good but God.

33. Then why does he have an archangel's voice instead of God's voice? (1 Thess. 4:16)

Jesus does not have the arch angel's voice but rather he comes with the voice of the archangel meaning the archangel comes with him at his coming.

34. Then why is the only "worship" given to him the same given to humans? (Heb. 1:6, cf. Mt. 18:26; Rev. 3:9 - "Proskuneo"

that word proskuneo is also used in reference to God, Jesus is given same worship as the father. In Revelation same honor, glory and majesty given to the father is also given to the Son.

35. Then why do many who believe this rely on a few selected, so-called 'proof-texts' instead of the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible?

ignorance or deliberate attempt to twist scriptures to teach what they intends.

36. Then how could he be commanded to do anything? (John 12:49; Deut. 18:18)

37. Then why did Steven see two separate entities, GOD and Jesus, and not just one God or three persons? (Acts 7:55)

38. Then how could he be seen at GOD's right hand? (Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55; Rom. 8:34)

39. Then how could Jesus be exalted (not to become God Himself, but) to the position of the "right hand OF God"? (Acts 2:33)

40. Then why would he have to receive a revelation from God? (Rev.1:1)

41. Then why is he called God's "begotten" Son before he came to earth? (John 3:16; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:9)

42. Then how could he have a Father? (John 20:17)

43. Then how could he come in flesh? (1 Kings 8:27; Acts 17:24,25)

44. Then why did he not come in his own name? (John 5:41-44)

45. Then why did Jesus "come down from heaven to do" God's will and not his own will? (Luke 22:42; John 6:38; John 5:30; John 8:42)

46. Then how could he appear before GOD? (Heb. 9:24)

47. Then how could he die? Can God die? Can part of God die? (Rom. 5:10; Acts 5:30; 1 Cor. 15:3; Hab.1:12; cf. 1 Tim. 6:16; Num. 23:19; Ps. 90:2; Dan. 6:25-26)
48. Then why is it that God resurrected Jesus? (Acts 2:32)

49. Then why can we see him if "no man has seen God at any time"? (John 1:18)

50. Then why is there not one clear Scripture where Jesus is called "God the Son," (equal to those declaring "God, the Father)?

51. How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but neither the Jewish officials nor even one of these false witnesses made a claim that he was God or equally God? (Matt. 26:59-67)

52. John summed up his whole Gospel by saying that it was written that we may believe "that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God." Why is there is no mention in that summary of the entire Gospel of what would be the most important thing of all - that Jesus is God? (John 20:31)

53. How could Jesus teach in the Jewish synagogues and the temple? This would never happen if any of the authorities believed he claimed to be God (or that his followers believed such a thing). - Matt. 26:55; John 7:14, 28. Matt. 4:23.

54. How could Jesus' followers teach in Jewish synagogues after Jesus' death and for the remainder of that first century (at least)? Again, this would not have been allowed if there were any suspicion that they believed Jesus to be God. Acts 9:20; 13:5, Acts 13:13-15.

Jesus' purpose of coming was to be the suffering servant and to die for the sins of the word, he mostly taught in parables and did not reveal everything but said the holy spirit would reveal them. Jesus however do give hint about his divinity both in his parable, life and works, at some times the pharisees wanted to stone him because they said he claimed to be God but he didn't deny their allegations, one of the foremost reasons they kill Jesus was because they claim he blasphemed.

If the Holy Spirit is Almighty God...

1. Then why do quotes from Trinitarians admit that the Holy Spirit is not God but rather is a force from God?

2. Then why would Jews instructed in the Old Testament scriptures and in the teachings of John the Baptist, NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS? (Acts 19:2)

3. Then why isn't the Holy Spirit given equal description in the Bible?

4. Then why didn't Jesus ever teach that the Holy Spirit was God along with the Father and Son?

5. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as an "it"? (Is. 34:16 ASV, KJV; Numbers 11:17, 25 ASV, KJV, RSV, NRSV, AT, LB, NEB, REB, NAB, JB, NJB; and Romans 8:16, 26 in the KJV.)

6. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as a thing that can be poured out into portions? (Acts 2:17, 18, 33; Numbers 11:17, 25)

7. Then why is the holy spirit nameless and indistinguishable from all of the other holy spirits?

8. Then why did the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD disregard the Holy Spirit as a member of the Godhead when they made Jesus 'God' in 325 AD? Why did they wait until the Council of Constantinople in 381 AD to include the Holy Spirit in the formula?

9. Then wouldn't the water and blood be persons too according to Trinitarian reasoning and 1 John 5:8?

10. Then why is the Holy Spirit sandwiched between a list of QUALITIES at 2 Cor. 6:6?

11. Then why does the NT Greek Lexicon describes the Holy Spirit as "this" at Acts 2:33?

12. Then why is it that nowhere in the Bible is the Holy Spirit ever said to be an equal member of a trinity?

13. Then why is it that nowhere is it mentioned in the Bible the words, "God, the Holy Spirit," or "The Holy Spirit is God"?

14. Then why is it that there is never mentioned a vision, dream or clear description in scripture wherein God and the Holy Spirit are shown as the same person?

If the Trinity Doctrine is a Bible teaching...

1. Then why do NUMEROUS encyclopedias agree that
"... the doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation; that it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian scriptures; that it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity"? – p. 34, The Church of the First Three Centuries, Alvan Lamson, D.D.

2. Then why do many encyclopedias, dictionaries and other sources (including Sir Isaac Newton) agree that the "Trinity was a pagan corruption imposed on Christianity in the fourth century by Athanasius"?

3. Then why does the Bible consistently identify God by singular person pronouns: "I, "Me," "He, and "Him" instead of "We", "Us", "They" or "Them"?

4. Then why does 2 Cor. 13:14 say that the Lord Jesus Christ is one individual, the Holy Spirit is another individual (whether a person or a thing), and that "GOD" IS ANOTHER DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL?

5. Then why is there not even one Scripture which clearly defines the Trinity?

6. Then why is there not even one Scripture of a vision, dream, or CLEAR description wherein God is shown as three persons?

7. Then why is there not even one Scripture where God is described using the word "three"?

If the Holy Spiirt is called an "it" it is due to gramatical nature of the word "Spirit" however Jesus clearly referred to the Spirit as a person, who will reveal, bear witness and be an helper, the Holy Spirit can get angry, can be sinned against (you can't sin against a mere force) and his name (authority) is equally used in baptism just like the father and the Son.
God said he filled the heavens and the earth does that mean he is not a person? Same way the holy spirit can fill the believers in different measure but however he is a person. He can also be grieved, an impersonal force cannot grieve.
He spake in Acts to separate Barnabas and Paul for the work that he has for them.
You see that the Holy Spirit is a person like he father and the Son.
I hope these help.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Proof That Jesus Is Not God [bible Verses] by Steep(m): 11:34pm On Apr 08, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Just calm down and listen to him when we tell them to follow what the Bible says about Jesus they will start accusing us!

But you always run away or dodge whenever you are ask.
The scripture is the authority, I remembered I proved to you that Jesus is God from colosians but you ran away.
There are tons of other verses that prove that Jesus is God if only you are sincerely interested.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus A Product Of The Word Or The Word Himself? by Steep(op): 11:05pm On Apr 08, 2024

AllenSpencer:
“Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, non but ourselves can free our minds”

Bob Marley

But Bob was a slave to sin just like every human, true freedom comes from the Son of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus A Product Of The Word Or The Word Himself? by Steep(op): 11:04pm On Apr 08, 2024

MrPRevailer:
Jesus is called ONLY BEGOTTEN because he came out from God.

John 16:27-28 "I came out from God. Neither came I by myself but he sent me.".

Why don't many christians know and use this?

Yes Jesus is the word that came out from God, as for the word " Only begotten" the Greek word is monogenes which means one and only, it describes uniqueness of Christ relationship with the Father rather than just his incarnation.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus A Product Of The Word Or The Word Himself? by Steep(op): 9:56pm On Apr 08, 2024

If you want to be saved and part of Christ kingdom, you would your sin washed away be reborn, this happens when you accept the Lord Jesus christ as your Lord and saviour. If you believe in the Lord Jesus and that he died and God the father raised him from the dead, congratulations you are saved you can now body confess that Jesus is your Lord and saviour to anyone you meet because you have just being saved.

For more spiritual growth it is advisable to seek for a church the preach nothing else than christ and him crucified and for instruction on holy living.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus A Product Of The Word Or The Word Himself? by Steep(op): 9:49pm On Apr 08, 2024

People foolishly ask who created God? Where was God before he created the universe? They think God need space to dwell, but recent discovery has found that space, yes empty space has a beginning and it is expanding meaning more space is being created.

Scripture tells us in the beginning was the Word, the word has no beginning he was there at the very beginning of creation, he is beyond creation, the word was with God the father and the Word was same God with the Father.

The word was a distinct person from the Father but yet same God with the Father and the Spirit. God by his nature cannot be created nor destroyed neither does he change, he is eternally a trinity of persons, when there was no space or time only God exist, There was no heaven, nor earth nor angel, no time only God. (The father, Son and Holy Spirit).

The word is a person just like the father and The holy Spirit.
A person here does not mean human it means God's self consciousness of being.
When the word became human he didn't stop being God, but rather he added the human nature to his divinity.
Today Jesus remains the God-man, having complete humanity and complete divinity.

The humanity of the word.
When the word took upon himself the human nature, he became like us in every way except sin.

Meaning he could get tired, eat, sleep had limited knowledge, coul be limited in space and time, that is why he said it is better for him to go, so the Holy Spirit can come. Jesus had to finish his earthly ministry for the holy Spirit to come, it would important to note that Jesus didn't become the holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is already another person of the Godhead just like the father. Jesus was a perfect man like Adam was. Just like Adam before his fall, Jesus was sinless but unlike Adam he didn't give in to the temptation of sin. He obey and submitted to the father till his last breath.
Jesus died as the perfect man but he was raised not just as the perfect man but as the glorified man, before his resurrection he like Adam was a little lower than the Angels but after his resurrection he became higher than the angels in his humanity, Jesus is the first fruit of what Christians will become at his comings, we will become glorified like christ and reign with him.
Jesus would continue to reign as a man till he has put down all opposition and destroy death then he would hand over the redeemed kingdom of men back to the father and he himself as a reigning man would subject himself to the father.
This does not mean he would stop reigning or stop ruling as God's king nor that he would stop being a human but his humanity would be completely subject to the father, right now God's judgment is still be tempered by Jesus humanity, Jesus simpatise with our human weakness and mediate for us to receive help in times of need but ones will are already glorified all that won't be needed o Jesus humanity would then be forever subject to the father's will but he remains forever the God-man our saviour and our king.

Christianity Etc › Is Jesus A Product Of The Word Or The Word Himself? by Steep(op): 9:49pm On Apr 08, 2024

The scripture reveals that Jesus is The word of God. He is not simply a product of the word of God, some false teachers teach that Jesus was just a man who attained Godhood, or that he is simply a man born by the word, in contrast the scripture is very precise about the identity of Jesus, he is The word of God, he is the eternal Son of God who took on flesh every Christian was born through the word of God that means through the gospel but they are not the word of God.

Jesus is the word who was not created, He is called the word due to his office or function withing the Godhead, he is the one through whom the father's will, command come to pass just as the holy ghost functions as the power of God to enforce God's decree and will and the father is the authority of God.

The Son is the one through whom the father's plan, decisions comes through, the father ordains things, he ordains and appoint the Son to be the saviour and ruler of creation and that all creation should worship and obey the Son.

The Son reveals God, he is the one that exercises the authority of the father.

If God is to be known it is by the revelation of the word.

Without the word, God can not be known, nothing can be created, the whole creation is governed and sustained by the word.
Scientist discovered that the universe, the very fabric of the universe ( space-time) actually had a beginning which necessitate a cause that is outside space and time meaning whatever created the universe must be spaceless and timeless not only that the law of thermodynamics require that the universe has a limited energy and one day it would run out of energy and die out in heat death.

Christianity Etc › Re: Proof That Jesus Is Not God [bible Verses] by Steep(m): 3:27pm On Apr 07, 2024*

gohf:
I have already told you, I don't believe your nonsense

I believe in Jesus the son of God, who was born and died and on the third day rose

Keep your mysteries depths to yaself.

Stop asking me if I believe in your own imagined Jesus

well I am sorry If I ever used harsh words on you but never call things concerning christ nonsense and another thing you really didn't answer the questions but anyways have a nice day.

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