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Aemmyjah:
Who exalted him according to the scriptures?

The father exalted him remember the Trinity comprises of the father Son and holy Spirit.

Is Jesus still humanity?

Jesus has two natures, one is his Godhood and the other is hid humanity. He remains so forever.

Remember the scriptures say that in future time, he'll hand over all authority to Jehovah so that he and all creation will remain under one sole rulership

you quoted that scripture out of context, that is 1 cor 15 which was talking of Jesus humanity.

Anytime Jesus is called a man it is referring to him in the context of his humanity.

Jesus is the second Adam and must reign as a man till he has destroy death.

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Jesus was given power and authority of reign as a man till he has destroyed death after which this authority must be subject under the father and he humanity be made subject under the father.

It does does mean Jesus would no longer reign or be king it means his divinity would superced or override his humanity but however his humanity remains. At that time the door of grace and mercy would be shut forever.

Aemmyjah:
Why then was the glorified Jesus seen standing at God's right hand

Let's agree they were equal
Bible says the glorified Jesus was raised to a superior position
Would that not make him greater than the father?

You have difficulty in comprehension. Scriptures revealed that Jesus took a lower position of a servant, Hebrews reveals that Jesus like Adam in his unfallen state was a little lower than the angels.
Jesus said the "father is greater than him" Jesus took a lower position at the same time Jesus claimed divinity only attributed to the father.
If a king took up the job of a class teacher, He is lower than the principal yet greater than the principle as a king.
Jesus took a lower position and after he has completed his mission was exalted above all creation but his humanity still remains a lower than the father.

Aemmyjah:
Jesus never said he's equal to the father
Who taught you that they are equal?

That is because Jesus took a lower position as a servant.

Aemmyjah:
Why should the father do the predestination if they are all equal (trinity)

When we say they are equal but different roles.

Janosky:
Oga Steep stop deceiving yourself.

John 17:22
Jesus said:. "The glory you gave to me I have given to them, that they may be one just as we are one"

The question is:
Oga Steep,Which possession did Jesus Christ give God his Father?"

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It had already being predetermined by the father before creation that christ would take a lower position to save mankind and after that he would recieve honor and glory befitting him.
So the father had already given him (preordained all things for him before creation).

The father,Son and Holy Spirit has different roles.

Janosky:
Oga Steep, what do you gain by going against 1 Corinthians 8:6 & Hebrew 1:2?

Jesus Christ is NOT the Creator.




Oga Steep,

Your claim changes NOT Jesus words in John 17:7,
Jesus Christ was GIVEN whatever he has, Jesus himself said so.

Oga Steep,Which possession did Jesus Christ give God his Father?

well Jesus given glory because he took a lower position Phil 2.

Aemmyjah:
How then did Christ have a Father?

1. Jesus had an eternal son- father relationship with his father, meaning his sonship had no beginning
2. God the father declared him as his son when he was born.

PoliteActivist:
(Moniker Frigga13, no need to be so insulting. How is that Christ-like??)

But St. Paul was INSPIRED by Lord Jesus as to what to write, and he WROTE IT DOWN! He made it clear when he was giving his own opinion.
Christ's own words were written down decades after he said them and NOT by the original hearers. What conversation of 4O years ago do you remember word for word??
Also, remember Lord Jesus made it clear he came for ONLY the house of Israel. It was through Paul that he changed that

And even when paul gave his personal opinion it is still by the Holy ghost. (1 Cor. 7:40).
Whenever Paul give his personal opinion it means the the Lord didn't directly address it but however Paul's opinion were inspired by the holy ghost.

Emusan:
I remember very well.

It was after that he had challenge with Atheist which failed woefully and led to his deactivation of his first moniker.

Yet such liar will put himself above Paul by lying that Jesus revealed the truth to him but the same Jesus was watching Paul making wrong teachings.

Yea that is why he is Satanjnr doing the works of his father the devil.

In this other thread he denies it when the heat was to much.

This is the thread where he claims he Mohammad was a true prophet and allah is God.

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Emusan:
Don't be surprised that the defender of these two men here who called himself jesusjnr2020 got repented through a message a preacher preached using Apostle Paul teaching.

Right from the get go he was exposed as an agent of Satan. Do you know that in his earlier posts when he nearly joined nairaland he was exalting allah? He said insinuated that Mohammad was a true prophet who received message from God. After he faced heavy fire from Christians on nairaland he changed mouth lying against the Holy Spirit, that he mistook the holy spirit because the holy spirit spoke Hansa, which he didn't understood very well.
Jesusjnr is very blasphemous and an antichrist.

OLAADEGBU:
The devil used Roman Catholic bishops to murder true Christians such as William Tyndall for translating the Bible. Today satan uses fake apostles to deny the Bible. Satan’s tactics has not changed since he deceived the first man through the first woman to doubt, deny and disobey God’s Word. The battle for the souls of men is raging. Let us continue to contend for the faith that was once delivered to the saints.

yes old serpent still remains who he is, the deciever.

After all the necessities has being done and proper marriage.
Sex should never be abused it is for married couple to procreate, bond and intimate.
Anybody that join himself to a prostitute (someone who has sex either for money, favour or for pleasure) becomes joined with the prostitute.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


The recent wicked outburst against the teachings of christ through apostle Paul again revealed the kind of spirit in these men.
With smooth and eloquent speech they deceive the ignorant.

As Christians we must be alert, we must be vigilant, we must watch and be ready against the wiles of the enemy.
We must hold tightly to the doctrines of christ through his apostles, false ministers down doctrines for signs and wonders (a product of word of faith movement) The new apostolic reformation is straight from the pit of hell.
Satan is creating a one world religion that looks like Christianity because Christianity is has true but the new religion is against christ and the apostles it is devoid of truth.
The new apostolic reformation is part of this false religion, Satan is an imitator he has nothing original, he takes what belongs to God and twist it.
This false ministers are characterized by spiritual experience and encounters, either by an angel, a Saint or a a spirit that masquerades as Jesus, or a false holy spirit.

God gave us the bible for a reason so that we don't rely on experience or encounters, Satan is a master deciever he could transform himself to an angel of light to further his deception.

Paul was never alone in the church, the other Apostles, James, John, Peter and others were there none ever said Paul's teachings had errors yet someone thousands of years later will now say they had errors.
That was how Mohammad came hundreds of years after christ and the apostles to calim he had received a new revelation,so was Joseph Smith, and Russell and his team, and many others.
May the Lord help us to discern and expose and cast off false errors and false teachings in Jesus name.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

JobZoneNews:
Thank you. I think the pastor was misquoted. Even Paul said sometimes that he spoke something not as commanded but as a personal view. Paul was highly used but he was not Christ. He admitted his weaknesses many times.

Jesus is the biggest example. Only those who truly followed Jesus should be followed. Paul was one of them but he is human too.

You are defending wickedness may God have mercy on you.
So when has what has his weakness got to do with his teachings?

Paul was never alone, Peter, James, John and every other Apostles were in the church yet none ever said that Paul's teachings had errors, yet so idiots came thousands of years after the apostles to talk nonsense, by the way the 12 Apostles are the pillars of Christianity.

That was how Mohammad came hundreds of years after christ and the apostles to say he received the final revelations, so was founder of later day saints and jehovah witness.

These are the spirits of the antichrist playing out.

Sluieman and Selma are both false apostles.

AuthorMan:
Where is the proof of him being a false teacher.
Table it here.
You don't just accuse people wrongly

Why will I accuse people wrongly?
There are many false teachings of pastor Chris,

Oyakhilome’s website contains “Divine Health Confessions.” These display again and again the unbiblical ideas taught by many in the Word of Faith movement. For example:

I live above the elements of this world. I live above sickness, disease, and death. I’m immune to anything that ravages the lives of men; I belong to God’s class of divine beings. I am a partaker of the divine nature; my body is sustained by a force that the ordinary man cannot perceive. My kidneys, lungs, heart, all tissues and every organ in my body function properly.



Take note of the phrase “God’s class of divine beings.” This is the same nonsense taught by false teacher Kenneth Hagin, who famously taught this:

Man… was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God’s presence without any consciousness of inferiority… He made us the same class of being that He is Himself.





The fullness of the Godhead dwells in me bodily, making me impregnable to sickness, disease, death, and the devil.



Every creature reproduces after its kind. A dog gives birth to dogs, a cat gives birth to cats, a cow gives birth to cows, a monkey reproduces monkeys and a human reproduces humans. So when God gives birth, what do you think He’ll reproduce? Gods, of course!



No sickness?

Like so many others, “Pastor Chris” focuses heavily on healing. After all, he runs an international school of healing, so that makes sense. Also like so many others, he makes unbiblical claims about what God will and won’t do… and what Christians can expect with regard to health:

The Word of God quickens my mortal body; this is my vital experience! My health flourishes daily because the power of Jesus Christ continually works in me. I do not get sick; no infirmity can thrive in my body because the Spirit of the Lord lives in me. Hallelujah!


Again and again, Oyakhilome claims that no Christian should ever be sick:

I am born, not of corruptible seed, but of the incorruptible and ‘uninfectable’ seed – the Word of God which lives and abides forever. I am immune to sickness and my body neutralizes anything that is contrary to the Word of God, in the Name of Jesus. Amen.

I have the divine life that flourishes with health, prosperity, success, peace, and joy unspeakable. The Word of God is life to my body and it cleanses my blood and makes me perfect and whole.

The very life and nature of God are operational in me, making it impossible for me to contract any disease or infection.

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If you’ll stay in the Word, you’ll always be healthy and sound. If you’d meditate on the Word, it’ll cure that blood condition, get rid of the HIV, heal your bones, heart, and skin, and produce life in you! It’ll cure that wound that has defied treatment. Speak the Word to that infirmity; talk to that cancer; talk to your blood cells; command the diabetes to be healed!

When the Holy Spirit takes over your life, He’ll drive every sickness out of your body; He’ll make right everything that was wrong.


No Sin?

A man of God is handpicked by God, set on course by God. If you study the scriptures, you will not find one man of God go against God, sinning against God.


You are the Word of God?

Do you know you are God’s Word?  When you were born again, you were born by the Word of God. This means your destiny in the realm of the Spirit is to be the Word of God because you were born by the word of God. It means your nature is of the Word and your character is of the word.



Misquoting Scripture

Your abilities are unlimited. Nothing is impossible for you to accomplish, because you’re sufficient in God’s sufficiency (2 Corinthians 3:5)




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Christ is a place?

Christ is not only a person, Christ is a place. When you come into Christ, you don’t come into a person; you come into a place.



Blessed?

When you’re anointed, you become blessed of God such that everything you touch or do prospers. To be ‘blessed’ means to be empowered to prosper.


Pastor Chris even teaches that God does not perform miracles that it is Christians that now perform the miracle.
Belong to the same category of false teachers as Kenneth hagin, creflo dollar, td Jakes, Joel Osteen etc

No, but however a Christian can be oppressed and troubled by the devil and his angels however he is not under any curse because he has being saved.
He or she must grow and know his position in christ Jesus and use the authority of Jesus name as well as following the revelation of God in his word to fight his warfare.

Kobojunkie:
Even the words of Satan — all of them lies— written in the book were divinely instructed as well. So does that make Satan's claims divinely true as well?

sharap daughter of jezebel enemy of christ.
The whole Bible is inspired by God everything in the bible is God teaching us about himself, the world, past, present and future.
The bible is the word of God reporting what, Satan, men and what God said so yes the whole bible is the word of God.

However pastor Chris is a false teacher.

If a wife or husband decide to live the marriage for no fault of the husband or wife then the other party is free to remarry.

Freezyhot:
But where is his own wife?

If his wife left him for no fault of his, he is free to remarry again.

jesusjnr2020:
The word "Christian" itself already suggests its meaning is derived from Christ.

It's not the Bibilian or Paulian, that it would be defined by the teachings of the Bible or apostle Paul.

It's Christ-ian, so it makes logical sense that it is defined instead by the teachings of Christ.

But alas, the so-called Christians have become too blind to realize that obvious logic.

They'd rather stick to man-made traditions, ideas and beliefs that most part of the church have embraced overtime and being taught as doctrine in the church instead of that which Christ Himself gave us.

They have hence made the teachings of Christ (Word of God) to be of little or none effect in their lives, and by extension the church, which has consequently become a caricature of what it used to be when Christians (disciples of Christ) fully followed the teachings of Christ not those of someone else.

Until the church goes back to fully following the teachings of Christ as it used to be in those early days, they would only keep chasing shadows, and would never be able to experience the Spirit, Power and Glory of the early church which followed the teachings of Jesus.

God bless.

satanjnr on the beat!
A curse has already being placed on you and your likes.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Any man who preaches the gospel that the apostles of Christ didn't preach is cursed already.

jesusjnr2020:
Could it be a coincidence that both of the most reputable and powerful preachers of the next gen of believers were now also teaching men to fully follow Christ teachings, not the Bible or Paul's teachings, as I have been more or less solely doing in this section for over five years and still counting?

Certainly not, because this is the last gen of believers that would herald the second coming of Jesus, so this the same Gospel Jesus said will be preached across the world in these last days, before the world comes to an end that is already being preached. Matthew 24:14

Therefore God has already started equipping His chosen ones with this Gospel in these last days, however it's obviously not going to be the usual gospel being preached in most churches and by most christians, but a different Gospel from the norm which would be hard for those used to the normal gospel to take, hence would generate a serious resistance even from those who claim to be followers of Christ, similar to the kind Jesus faced from the Jews and their religious leaders, when He preached the same Gospel.

Hence it's obvious that this hard Gospel would cause a serious stir among Christians when preached, so for them to have had the boldness to still preach it regardless of the inevitable backlash and rejection they knew they would face from fellow Christians and many of their followers suggests, they've also been chosen for such a time as this.

Although i didn't used to rate the both of them prior to this despite their popularity among Christians, but this would make me want keep a watchful eye on them, because I know how powerful the Gospel they bear is, and the magnitude of things God is going to accomplish with those who dare to bear this hard Gospel Of Christ in these last days before Christ returns.

God bless.

sharap who is apostle selman, and suleiman they are both false apostle just as you satanjnr.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

These so called men of God are working for the occult world.
They are playing to the gallery of the one world religion.

Janosky:
Hebrew 1:2 , Paul the apostle addressed that nau.

Did Paul teach you that Christ is the creator?

Oga Steep,be honest to yourself nau.
Daniel 4:30,Did Nechadnezzar build Babylon without a workman?


Did Paul teach you that Christ is the Wisdom of God whom your Bible proven is the workman in Proverbs 8:22-30 NET Bible?

Where did Nebuchadnezzar say he built Babylon by himself?
Unlike Nebuchadnezzar yahweh said he created the earth by himself and alone.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Janosky:
Did Hebrews 1:2 proven that Jesus Christ is not the creator?

How does it prove that Jesus is not the creator?

Yes nau!

Oga Steep, until you change Hebrew 1:2 rendition to "Jesus Christ created the universe by himself", your claim is faulty.

1 Corinthians 3:23 God our Father owns Jesus.

God owns ALL things, John 17:7. Jesus said so.
Jesus Christ is a CREATED being.

yes Christ belongs to God because Jesus was anointed by the authority of the father, so how does that translate to christ being created?
God owns all things as well as christ owns all things, infact Jesus said all that belong to that belong to the father are equally his.
John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

magimazda:
How do you reconcile the existence of suffering and imperfection in the world with the concept of intelligent design?

From the scriptures every thing was good until Adam and eve sinned and death entered,the earth was cursed by God.

MaxInDHouse:
Why are you this aggressive?

Well FAITH without WORKS is DEAD! James 2:26

works can't save you, no matter your zealousness in serving for jehovah witness organisation, good morals, or fine works, it counts for nothing before God.
What counts before God is only the finished work of christ on the cross, faith in Jesus alone is what saves a man.
Faith in Jesus plus works will land you in hell!

MaxInDHouse:
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for the evident demonstration of reality even though they are not seen! Hebrews 11:1

Works is activities having to do with laws or written codes meant to fulfill a conventional task as noticed by observers

So Paul is talking about Christians in Galatia, this people were limping between two opinions whether to join other Christians in doing God's will as taught by Christ Jesus or to merge the two together by practicing what Judaists does in the temple! Galatians 3:1-3

So faith in Christ Jesus has nothing to do with the works of the Mosaic laws no human can fulfill what the Mosaic laws says completely that's why it's a curse {Galatians 3:10} God told their ancestors that He will later write His laws in their hearts {Jeremiah 31:33} this can only be possible if they're to look onto a human who perfectly did God's will and God Himself declared such a person approved! Matthew 17:5

By so doing faith in imitating such a person will save them from the curse of the laws that no one can perfectly practice!

you can't put your faith in Christ when you deny his deity.
Secondly you don't do faith, jws believe in works based salvation.
You don't put your faith in christ if you believe your good morals, membership of jehovah witness organization and good works in general is what will save you on judgment day.
Jehovah witness follow a spirit that masqades as angel Micheal not Jesus.
Putting your faith in false christ is worse because you are deeply decieved.

franchasofficia:
I am fully ready to help Nigeria revamp its economy and governance and turn around the fortune of Nigeria within a short period of time.


I am not asking to be made President of Nigeria before I can do this. I am willing to work with President Bola Tinubu's team to achieve this. I am open to discussion, I have a blueprint to get Nigeria to work for all Nigerians but before I can release my full blueprint, the President must give me 100% power to implement my blueprint and I must report directly to the President and no other person.


Below is just a hint of what I have in my economic and governance blueprint for Nigeria's prosperity for all Nigerians.



First, Nigerian Presidents and Governors must stop jumping around the world begging investors to come and invest in the current state of Nigeria with high corruption rate, difficult forex policy that makes it impossible for foreign investors to repatriat their earned profits, zero electricity supply that make production cost so exorbitant, zero security that exposes investors' lives to danger, poor citizen's purchasing power that make patronage very low, and focus on improving these negative indices first and watch how investors will be begging to come into Nigeria.


Investors are not charity organizations, neither are they philanthropists looking for poor people to help, they go to where their investment would bring them maximum profit with little capital investment.


Stop traveling around the world wasting Nigeria's scarce resources in the name of going to bring investors that will never come.


Stay in Nigeria and work seriously on how to:

1.) Improve Nigeria's national security of lives and properties, and make Nigerian lives matter no matter the tribe or religion of who gets killed by bandits or Fulani terrorists or Boko Haram or kidnappers, etc


This can be achieved through State and LGA Police, and also make LGAs fully independent of state Governors, let their allowances come straight from FG and let the election of LGA Chairman and Counselors be held same day with Governors and President and NASS


2.) Improve Nigeria's FOREX liquidity and make it easy for legitimate business owners to send out money for business purposes

3.) Reduce corruption among government officials and civil servants by reducing human interferences through digitalizing most if not all government processes.

4.) Improve electricity supply by seriously implementing the Policy or law that empowers LGAs, States, licensed private individuals and companies to start generating and distributing electricity and selling to interested Nigerians ready to patronize them but at a government regulated rate.

5.) Increase minimum wage of civil servants to like NGN100,000 and create a special wage for healthcare workers like Doctors, Nurses, Lab scientist, Pharmacists, etc


6.) Improve our electoral law by making sure every voting process is directly uploaded from polling units to iREV portal and any polling unit whose result is not uploaded to iREV 2 hours after election is concluded in that polling unit must be canceled.

Do these things and watch investors beg to come into Nigeria to invest without Nigerian President or Governor traveling around the world to beg investors to come into Nigeria

The solution is not increase in minimum wage.
In all your solution nothing like increasing production and encouraging export. This is where we get it wrong in Nigeria money does not come from tin air, it is generated through production and export.

Solve insecurities problem, massively encourage agriculture in all state infact it should be made mandatory for all state to venture into agriculture, encourage production and manufacture, the youths should undergo massive training in any field and employed, curb corruption fix light issue and then encourage sales of electric vehicles, all these would curtail the destructive destination this country is headed.