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TD Jakes is another charlatan that makes mockery of the holy name of Jesus christ.

PoliteActivist:
I thought you said religionists don't use their heads?

Is this about mocking religious people?
You are even more religious than the so called religious people.

PoliteActivist:
"Your head" is euphemistic. We actually mean "your thoughts", which we are NOT sure of it's true nature.
Where do your thoughts come from? Where do your dreams come from?

lol
Since you are not sure of the true nature of thoughts, how do you know that thought exist,
Or that dreams exist? Explain.
can you define reality?

Guys, justlove is an agent of Satan,he is working with and for the devil.

justlove91:
No evidence, you go explain tired.

No thanks, I'm willing to work for my own righteousness, not live off of someone else's righteousness for eternity.

That is because your father is the devil.

justlove91:
Often those who have had truth in the beginning, as they have progressed materially and had more power, more position - they have lost the path, they have lost the way.

They become immersed in the material conception of things, and they cannot uphold truth any longer, only as a facade and that indeed is not real truth - it is only an aspect which has benefited them, but it has not benefited them necessarily spiritually, but only materially. Indeed, they have used it as a shroud; for inside there is but death.

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I know. I know from my own experience, much to my regret, that many things that I preached, many things that I gave out as truth - and I sincerely believed for a long time that they were true - these things have held man back, and still do unfortunately. Life is eternal. No man dies.

Even Christ himself said to the thief on the cross, “For today thou shalt be with me in Paradise.” He did not say tomorrow or next year or a thousand years hence, but today.



For it is, my friends, that faith can make us whole, but we must have faith in a reality, and not [in] something which has no foundation or basis.

Christ himself was a great seer, a great prophet, a great teacher, and above all of this, he was a great humanitarian. He was more perhaps of a Socialist, than any Socialist could ever hope to be.

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Christ was not concerned with material wealth or position. He was not concerned with vestments, with temples, as such. Christ even was human enough to lose his temper as when he drove the money changers out of the temple.

We must realise what Christ is, and particularly from your aspect, what he was when on Earth. He was a man - not a myth. He was a man of reality - not a mystical creature, as the world would have you believe and he was not God himself upon Earth.

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He was, as I see Christ, a human being who came into the world in a normal way, with the greatest power that man has ever experienced, but it was the power of the Holy Spirit, it was the power of God himself - but he used that power in such a way that men flocked to him.

There were many, of course, who did not and were afraid of him - the established religion, those of the established Church, those who considered that they were the wise ones, the men of position - because they realised that the things that he preached were dangerous to their position.

Jesus christ himself established the church and if you are not part of his church you have no part in his kingdom.
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Jesus Christ was not just a human, he is in fact God not a human who became God but God who became human.

If you are not washed and purchase by Jesus you are going to hell, those demons have are leading you into hell.
Good works can't save you, God's requirement is perfection which you an imperfect creature cannot provide only in Jesus christ can you be saved.
You need to be delivered from those evil spirits and accept the Jesus christ the righteous one.

Questionnaires:
Jesus Christ Didn't Come To Die For Your Sins.

Does It Make Any Sense To You That Anybody Can Come Die for Anybody's Sins ?

Jesus Christ Never Planned To Die At The Young Age of 33 Years.

He Wanted More Out Of Life.

It Was Clearly Documented That He Prayed And Wished That "The Cup Pass Over Him".

Who Wants To Deliberately Experience Death ?


Psychological Scammers Have Manipulated You And Alot of People into Thinking That Jesus Christ Came To She'd His Blood For The Atonement of Your Sins Even When You Were Yet To Be Born.

This Scam Has Been Running For Ages. So, It isn't An Easy Thing To Break Away From.






He Preached Love, Peace And Equality. And For This - The Oppressive Rulers of The World At That Time Hated Him.




Here's The Short Story Around His Death - If You Can Vividly Remember Through Stories That We Were Told:

His Short Range Anger of Reacting And Pushing People's Goods Away From The Temple Cost Him His Life.

This Doesn't Rule Out The Fact That Jesus Christ Was A Great Man of LOVE.

May We Not Be Tempted Above Our Limit of TOLERANCE.

Know This, And Know Peace!

Jesus came to shed his blood for the remission of sin.
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The question remains How can imperfect beings do perfect works?
Answer: impossible.
It is not a matter of learning or relearning, it is a matter of human nature.
You may know what is good and true you you may be determine to do it, yet at the end find yourself doing the opposite.

Who taught children how to lie, steal etc sin or evil is not about learning it is an inherent nature of human beings inherited from the first human Adam.

Secondly, we commit sin because we are sinners and hence fall into God's judgment of condemnation.

Adam sinned and dented himself then pass on that dented nature to his children on, and on it went.

God himself is a perfect holy and a righteous God who does not accept any error, so we human beings are doomed in every way, but God rich in mercy sent his chosed to reach down to us, to take away our sin by bearing our sin on himself and dying for us so that if believe on Jesus christ and receive him as our saviour and Lord we will be saved.

Without this we would die and be forever separated from a Holy and righteous God.

God is holy and righteous our works of good works are never accepted because they are filthy, it is not a matter of learning, it is a attack of nature, a pig is a pig, a pig does not learn or grow to become a sheep.
You don't say o the pig is a pig because it is immature? No, when a pig grows up it becomes a mattered pig.
We are born as sinners, we grow up to be come adult sinners, we get educated we become educated sinners, we are poor, we are poor sinners, we are rich we are rich sinners, give us trillions of years we still are trillions of years old sinners.
Jesus said in John 3 except a man is born again he can't see the kingdom of God. This means there must be change of sin nature to a righteous nature of the new man created in Jesus christ the Lord.
Don't be fooled by teachings of demons telling you to put your trust in yourself, telling you your good works can save you it is a wicked lie to destroy you and send you to hell.

CaptainJune:
Try as he may his lies are glaring. They contradict the Word of God, make no sense scripturally. Only those who want to be deceived will be deceived.

True those who reject that gospel are the ones going to be deceived.

CaptainJune:
Steep, it is clear as crystal these so-called NDEs are the scheme of the devil. No doubt. Familiar spirits at work.

Then again, these 'dead' in Christ seem to be passing their message through mediums. True Christians cannnot be deceived by this false stories of the afterlife.

yes they are scheme of the devil, it is all deception, something the devil is preparing souls for the antichrist hence there is a sudden surge of spirits appearing to tell lies to people.

justlove91:
How is he pure evil, mister

I should run where, to Jesus for his cosmetic righteousness lol, mister the fear tactic wouldn't work here, the language I understand is reason so come and let's reason together.

You won't say you haven't being told.

justlove91:
And we're not discussing our judicial system here, are we?


It's not my view but the view of the communicating spirits as they see justice manifest over there.



I know you know well that I'm talking about slavery of old.

yes we were discussing judicial justice systems those spirits are deceiving you. The scripture says God is a great Judge but the God presented by those demons is pure evil. My friend run fast, you are in a hot soup.

justlove91:
Your God said, the punishment for sin is eternal preparation from him in darkness, so if you want to pay for your sins yourself you will have to spend eternity in darkness.

Now you claimed Jesus already paid for your sin, but the funny thing is he is not in eternal darkness(which ought to be the punishment he decides to go through for you) but right beside your God.
How has he paid the price then?

sinners would spend eternity separated by God, right? Now did I say Jesus was a sinner? No he was a righteous man, however Jesus Jesus death is equal to our eternal separation from God hence Jesus fulfilled it.
When A judge ask you to pay #20000 thousand naira and someone from the US gives you 50 dollar has he not cover your debt, according to your ignorance it must be $20000 dollars.

said already that it's not really a question of perfection and imperfection but matured and immatured or developed and undeveloped.

you god does not care about justice or perfection he must be horrible, guess who he is The devil

justlove91:
Don't pity me, I don't need your pity but I need you to see how your God make mockery of what true justice is.

Why does your god, give people a second chance to save their selves is that justice?

You said those demons teaches that people crimes are only mistakes so they move on to learn to do better and then later join your god?

justlove91:
Justice is always above law, law is just a mean to an end which is justice. That's why humans often amend their laws as their understanding of what justice is increases.

judicial justice has nothing to do with what should be but rather what the law or constitution says.
I am not a lawyer, but you are not going to start protesting against a judge who only interpreted the law.

Justice is static you can't improve on it but we can improve our laws to mirror it clearly.

Since is static it means it doesn't depend on human view, meaning your view concerning justice can be flawed.

For example it has always been unjust to own a person as your property even though the human law at the time said it was okay provided you made the necessary payment.
But as our understanding of what justice is increases we abolished the formal law and made a new one, which is no one should own is fellow man as a property.

No it is not unjust, to own a person, what is unjust is forcefully, owning a person against his will except as an act of justice. When you commit crime, the state literally own your, you can't decide for yourself.

justlove91:
You still don't understand that the said law itself must be morally right. If tomorrow, Nigeria legal system provides an alternative punishment of the payment of #20000 for criminal offences like rape and armed robbery, if the said criminal then fulfil the law by paying the said amount and then set free, as justice been served, though the criminal has fulfilled the law??


Now, your God said the wages of sin is death but your savior only "died" for three days and then woke up, if he wants to fulfil the law he should stay dead because the wages of sin is not dying for three days then waking up.

Also the punishment for sin is eternal separation from your God in darkness but your saviour is now at the right hand of God basking in perpetual light when he should be languishing in eternal darkness.

So according to your God's law, justice has not been served, it just wuru wuru justice.

Eternal separation from people, who are being punished for their sin, when court sentence one to prison but give room for fine to be paid then when he pays the fine he no longer, spent his time in prison, Jesus does not need to separated forever from God because Jesus meet all the requisite conditionality, for salvation.
But your God is unjust and evil, what kind of God expect perfection from and imperfect human?

justlove91:
You still don't understand that the said law itself must be morally right. If tomorrow, Nigeria legal system provides an alternative punishment of the payment of #20000 for criminal offences like rape and armed robbery, if the said criminal then fulfil the law by paying the said amount and then set free, as justice been served, though the criminal has fulfilled the law??

yes justice was served in the eyes of the law justice cannot go above the law. why do you think it must be more than that?

justlove91:
Your God's justice system does exactly that, it punishes an innocent person for the crimes committed by criminals, even the human legal system as flawed as it is don't allow that.
That's just a joke of a justice

yes innocent person can bail a guilty person provided he fulfill the requirement it is perfectly just.
letting sinners off the hook simply means not following the law. The law can provide am alternative sentencing for the guilty, for example fines can provided as alternative instead of spending time in prison.

meanwhile, why did you avoid my questions?

Those demons teaches you that you are an imperfect human could become perfect by your effort, that means you were created perfect and you are exactly as your Supreme god made you meaning your Supreme God is evil.

Secondly, if you could attain perfection by yourselves meaning you are a god like your Supreme being, and if you are a god and yoir are created it means you are a mere idol.
If you chose evil, then your Supreme god should punish you or else he is evil too like you.
Going through school Learning process is not punishment, it is a good thing for ignorant people, meaning you god is evil because he does not punish evil people but only take them to school.
Your god is The devil, and those spirits feeding you lies are demons, I pity of you.

HellVictorinho6:
Ur head is not within anything

hahaha, madness.

justlove91:
What you write is wrong on many levels, even the man made system will not allow you to use somone else's degree as your own to get a job.
In a very corrupt human society a stark illiterate can use someone else's degree to get a job but what everyone will see is his incompetence in handling the job.

Wrong analogy, people do will their properties to their children even unborn or even to strangers, without they contributing a dime to it.

, A judge does not set a criminal free base on his merits, justice demands that a criminal must face the consequences of his actions. Justice demands that every single wrong or bad actions you made that you bear the consequences, God's gift of righteousness is not like degrees of certificates that can not create change, God's righteousness transforms the believer this is what it means to be born again.

And this is exactly what we see with Christians, they claim to have the righteousness of Jesus but were unable to display christ-like qualities. They want us to believe that the instance you accept Jesus, you immediately have his perfect righteousness, but we don't see this play out in the character of this "newly perfected person". Christians still struggle with sins like everybody else, many even revert to their old ways. How can a person with God's very own perfect righteousness turn and become imperfect again??

Yes a Christian struggles like everyone but yet he experiences growth through the transformation of the holy Spirit.

As a God you can't create imperfect beings and expect perfection from them within the short human life span. Seeing that he is not getting the result he desires, he thinks the best thing to do is paint these beings over with his righteousness through their faith in Jesus, but it's like painting a base metal over with gold, it may look shining but at its core it's still a base metal.

God never, created humans imperfect human beings are fallen creatures. No God is not painting human beings but he is changing them from the inside out, however this change can only come purely by his power and humans submitting to him. His God's righteousness does not just cover but it changes.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

What these spirits teach is that we must be perfect before we can be in the very presence of God. But unlike your God that decides to use Ojoro to get this end result by painting people over with his righteousness, these spirits teach that we have eternity to develop ourselves till we reach "perfection".

what does devils are not telling you is that a leopard cannot change his skin however he tries. Even if you are given eternity, you remain an imperfect being, your sins will remain with you. That means for all eternity you will be separated from God as long as you are imperfect, that my friend is terrible.

They teach that their are innumerable number planes of existence from the deepest and darkest plane to the highest and brightest plane. After death, you find yourself in a plane in which your soul development fits you.
But one is not stuck eternally in a plane but one can progress gradually through immense number of planes above the one in which one is currently in till you reach "the throne of God".

that your god must be insane, what kind of God expect orange from a mango tree? Expecting imperfect humans to produce perfection is like expecting orange from mango tree.

God's word says after death then the judgment. Remember, your sins, your lies, stealing, fornication, adultery, pride and all evil you have done all through you life follows you.

And when you develop through these immense number of planes till you reach the highest, you will know the righteousness you have is your hard earned righteousness not a paint job but a real transmutation of base metal into gold.

I don't think you understand yourself, as long as you have ever done evil, you can never be righteous. When you commit a crime for example a sex offender your record is forever tainted as a sex offender.

Tell me, is this not a more reasonable system for an intelligent God to device instead of the wuru wuru paint over system you're trying to preach to me?? Is it not??

A reasonable system is a just system that does not let people off the hook who commits crime.
As long as you have done bad things with an atonement that record forever remains with you and the penalty is separation from God in hell.

PoliteActivist:
😆 He doesn't know that the person he's talking to, Steep, is a creationist. Second time you're making a fool of yourself. You're becoming almost like Dr. Reed!
Folks please help us find out, is Sam Harris (below) a religionist? He's saying the sorta things I've been saying!
I don't know how you people reason. How can a religionist even remotely entertain the things I've been saying - that the universe could be anything at all, and could exist entirely in your head, and that the individual self is an illusion? And that our senses could be such that they don't tell us what is really there - that they could be lying to us. What sorta religionist would entertain any of those??
Result of this debate comming up soon.
Here's Sam Harris:

see stupidity, if the universe is not real but only in your head, then what is your head and where is your head located? Thought without thinker foolishness.

justlove91:
You do realise the bible is just one book out of hundreds of so called holy books saying different things , so why should I care what the bible says especially when what it says doesn't make sense.

It makes sense that God should care about ones love and service than ones belief system which is often determined by ones birth place.

It made no moral sense at all that people like Gandhi will born in hell forever while some criminal can just accept Jesus on his death bed and go to heaven, that is just a shitty system for a God to device.

The bible provides evidence through the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Our human belief systems are flawed, It makes sense that a perfect God accept nothing short of perfection.
Let me give you an example, if someone gives you a glass of very clean water but then added a pinch of poo into it, would you drink that water?
No matter how perfect we think we are yet we are still tinted by sin and hence cannot be accepted by a perfectly holy God that is why we need atonement through a perfect sacrifice but we humans love the idea of a god that can accept our imperfection on the guise of our good works.
It makes moral sense for a holy God to reject sin no matter how small we think the sin is.
Jesus Christ gives his righteousness to those that recieved him while he took their sin and died on the cross for them, so God see a perfect righteousness on the sinner that accept christ and imperfect righteousness on Gandhi or the man that do accept the messiah but go by his or her righteousness.

justlove91:
Why do you think they're demonic spirits?
Didn't your bible say by their fruit you shall know them? What will be the fruit of the whole world following these spirits' message of love and service?

There is false love which is just appealing to human emotion and justifying Erroneous believe. Those spirit are distorting the gospel by their lies, the gospel teaches that human beings are sinners that need to be saved and that salvation is found only through faith in Jesus Christ without this humans would be thrown into hell.
These spirits are simply passing a message that by just doing good works, you will be fine, this is deception.
If you want me to explain to you why service and showing love cannot save anyone, I will explain to you.

justlove91:
Then, these are paradoxical demonic spirits preaching love and service and teaching us to be mindful of our actions because what we sow is what we will reap.

The devil can appear as an angel of light, his aim is to decieve people.

PoliteActivist:
Another tantrum thrower who can't think deeply. What is water? Really, what is it? And why in that particular form? YOU DON'T KNOW! You met it here like that and called it water. Neither do you know if this reality is physically real, simulated, matrix, hell, heaven, long-running computer game, energy-generating mechanism, etc. You have NO WAY of being sure what it is or what it is all about. One thing we do know (of course, always assuming we can trust our senses) is that if the universe were reduced to size of the earth, the earth would not be visible with the strongest microscope. Scientists also tell us there are possibly hundreds of dimensions and unlimited number of universes! Bottom line: you know almost nothing!

lol ignoramus that doesnt even know what water is, what do you even know, I guess you cant even define a woman or a man.
You don't even know the difference between science and philosophy.

PoliteActivist:
EXACTLY: first of all, what is thought?! You are not sure! Just as you don't know what is water. Just as you don't know any of the stuff you met here or why they are the way they are or what this reality is all about!
As far as thoughts, we know dead people who came back said they were thinking while dead. Possessed people, dreams,,etc. People who were no longer there but thinking still going on!
Bottom line: we don't know the true nature of thoughts or where thoughts truly come from.
Also, define you. You is your memory - thought! Wipe your memory and you no longer exist. Put another person's memory and they become you. You are thought!

stop projecting your ignorance on others. It is you who doesn't know what thought is, you don't know anything at all. Ask a secondary school student what water is and they would tell you. You can't have a product without a producer neither a creation without a creator, it is a self defeating logic that you exhibit.
Wipe your memory and you no longer exist?
So people without schizophrenia no longer exist?
This is the product of the woke nonsense that you folks claim as enlightenment. Nonsense.

Expanse2020:
For you now the sin that Adam committed you would be accountable for it too right

you just like to argue unnecessarily. Sin nature is different from committing sin, no one is talking of intentional or non intentional sin.

PoliteActivist:
Here's what I wrote b4:

Describe the "thinking being". You can't. The only describable attribute of the "thinking being" you're sure of is thinking - thinking is the "thinking being"!

Can't you see that it's possible only thoughts really exist and everything else an illusion.
So it's the other way round: thoughts can exist without thinking beings but thinking beings can't exist without thoughts.
Ponder; where do your thoughts come from?

you have it backward, "thinking" is an action performed by another, a thinking being is a being that is self aware and capable of self reflection. Just like songs and singing, songs do not exist without a singer.

first of all define thought?

How can you have thought without a thinking being? Do you even live in reality? Thought is solely an attribute of a thinking being.

eddy1977:
@OP,
While I'm a staunch critic of Copeland and his theatrical display of tomfoolery, the video in question appears to be selectively edited and lacks context, which could unfairly portray him.
It's widely acknowledged that Copeland is a seasoned charlatan, often regarded as one of the most despicable figures on Christian television. The demonstration in the video seems to reference EW Kenyon's "Blood Covenant," which discusses the significance of blood covenants among various ethnic groups, including ancient Semitic and African tribes.

Despite my personal disapproval of Copeland's methods, it's important to approach such accusations with objectivity and not contribute to potential defamation.

It is not, check the second video, from a well known Christian YouTube.

These are familiar spirits beware. They are demon spirits sent to decieve people.

They are sinners because they were born in sin but that does not mean they are going to hell, one can only be judged by his or her actions.