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Dsimmer:
The Orishas are also Yoruba histories and ancestors! As a matter of fact, They will always stay with the Yoruba, even as Ifa always talk about them because as a matter of fact, they're also intelligent education enlightenment 📌 and also, such intelligent creative talents need to be birthed forth.

Jesus christ is the way to God I will advice you to repent and put your trust in him only. As you yourself has said Jesus is the way not orishas or ancestors those will lead you astray.

Dsimmer:
The Orishas who are also Yoruba ancestors are what makes up the body, the universe and the intelligent creative talents embedded within humans and are required to be birthed into technical realities for the development of the society, just like the ancestors had done.

Orisha Ogun cosmos for example represent iron, iron works, chemistry, bravery agility etc. When Orisha Ogun the Yoruba ancestor came, he was a blacksmith, a wine maker and a warrior. These are all equivalent to the Orisha Ogun cosmos. He simply displayed his talents which aligned with the Orisha Ogun cosmos that formed the universe. In today's age and civilization, such talents would be metallurgy, mechanical engines/engineering, chemical industries, Self defense, boxing etc..

Hence, the celebration of the ancestors is a celebration of historical facts, as well as the constant reminder of the need to birth the intelligent creative talents within, like the Yoruba ancestors had done.

It doesn't matter as far as Jesus is The way to God, orishas and ancestors do not lead to the true God which means the only one that matters and the only one who matters to mankind is Jesus christ so it is Jesus christ that should be preached to men not ifa or anyother.

gohf:
Answer which questions? 😒

Nevermind, no be exam, I don't have to answer 😁

If you believe Jesus is uncreated that's your business, it doesn't change that he is the son of God.


If anyone keeps telling themselves that they believe in Jesus, calling him Lord Lord, without righteous and obedience, na him go still tell them get away from me you workers of iniquity for you have not done the will of my Father.


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No it is not just my business to know the identity of Jesus. Salvation depends on it, it doesn't matter how you feel if it is not based on the truth of God's word it is a lie.
You are dodging the question? Do you believe Jesus is the uncreated Son of God?

Dsimmer:
You're just asking gibberish at this point because I have answered you.

IFA says Ela, born of a virgin woman is the Messiah who's the way to God.

So if Jesus is The way to God, that means ancestors and other deities do not lead to the true God right?

Dsimmer:
What exactly are you even asking exactly when I already answered you. Ifa has only one God almighty which is Olorun Oluwa Olodumare who's got only one begotten child which is his word. The word is Ela born of a virgin woman and the Messiah. That's Ifa belief system which is similar to Christianity.

As for the Orisha, there are the creative aspect of Ifa. The Orishas represent intelligence and creative talents which God had put within humans needing to be birthed into technical realities for the development of the world.

That is not the question, does ifa acknowledge that Jesus is the only way to be saved?

Jackanda1:
Happy sunday.

The bible talks about hell and death been cast into the lake of fire.(Rev20:13-15)
This means every unsaved person is going to be swimming in fire for all eternity.

What about people who were unlucky to exist before the gospel got to their location? E.g people who lived and died before the gospel got to Nigeria.

What about most people in countries e.g north korea and other such countries who have little to no knowledge about christ?

What of people who were unfortunate(they're all going to hell) to be born into say islam, budhism, hinduism and other religious movements? You might say these people should simply convert to christianity just by hearing the gospel, but switching religion isn't that simple. They are plugged to their faith the same way you have been indoctrinated and plugged to yours.

What about other sects of christianity that aren't getting it right?

Are all of this people going to be thrown into the lake of fire recieving same punishment as shekau or Hitler for all eternity?

people go to hell because of their sin, Jesus came to redeem people from sin but not every one will accept him hence they die in sin.

God has given people evidence of his existence and power from the creation of the world if they sought God truly, they would have found him and he would have saved them through christ as Abraham who never knew christ in the flesh but was saved in Spirit by Jesus christ.
The problem is people reject God and hence die in their sin so there is absolutely no excuse for anyone anywhere at any time however punishment defers due to the level of knowledge and goodness bestowed on them but in all nobody have any excuse.

Dsimmer:
Ifa says Ela born of a virgin woman is the Messiah.

the word messiah is an Hebrew word for anointed one. Does ifa acknowledge that Jesus is the only way to be saved? That is all that matters.

gohf:
lol even scripture states, all your righteous is like filthy rag
Yet it also repeated states that it is the righteous that will be saved

What does the whole bible both scripture and gospel tell you?

Before you read one verse out of context, try reading it with the Holy Spirit at best.

Can't you tell the difference between self righteousness and righteousness that comes from faith, for both Paul, James and the author of Hebrews and John agree, that faith without works, without love, without obedience to God is dead, a lie and fake.


Do you now spun a new doctrine of believing in an uncreated Jesus. You can go ahead, the gospel I preach is not with persuasive words of men.

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you didn't answer all the question.
What do you mean by Jesus is the beginning but the father is before the beginning?
If your righteousness is like a filthy rag how do you now trust in your righteousness?
Do know that the righteousness through faith is not gotten by performance but a gift to those who believe in God's salvation.
Self righteousness is exactly what you are trusting.
Faith in Jesus leads to good works and holiness because faith in Jesus it includes following his leadership due to trust in him instead of trusting our performance in other words we do righteousness but we don't put our faith on our performance but on the Lord Jesus.

Dsimmer:
The existence of Jesus isn't a mystery. Yoruba Ifa talks about Jesus several times. Ifa calls him Ela, the word or Jewesun, the lamb. IFA talks about him several times such as,

Talked about Ela as the word of God.

Talked about how Ela has always been with God from the beginning of creation.

Talked about Ela as the only begotten child of God and would be born of a virgin woman.

Talked about how Ela who's often referred to as Orunmila spent 3 days and 3 night in the grave before he came out.

Simply put, Jesus is the word of God who became flesh, died and resurrected. That's what IFA says. Same thing in the scriptures.

Did ifa tell you that Jesus is the only door to eternal life?

helinues:
Adultery/fornication brought him to this earth.

Not disrespecting any religion but that's the fact

How come we are yet to see another person getting pregnant without s.x?

Is there anybody who have died and rose again never to die again like Jesus? Jesus is unique, he is divine not like the rest of us.

Man don't understand why Jesus Christ is called the only begotten Son of God. When scripture uses the word "only begotten" it does not simply means the only Son that was birthed, for example Isaac was called Abrahamm's only begotten Son not because Abraham didn't have other Sons but because Isaac is the only one born through a promise.
Hebrew 11:17.

Jesus is referred to as the only begotten Son some translation uses one and only, John said they beheld Jesus glory it is as of the only begotten of the Father.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Jesus christ is the only Son that was not created every other son are made in the likeness of God's original Son, Jesus as a Son has being with the father throughout all eternity.

Jesus as a Son is the revelation of the father, no body has ever seen the father not even Moses or Abraham or the prophet, the person whom the saw is the Son, the son is the one that interacted with Moses Abraham and all the prophets, He appears as the angel of the Lord but he is not an angel.
Just as words ( audible) reveals your thought(inaudible) so the Son (image of God) reveals the father( invincible).
The Son Is one God with the Father. Though he is a separate person from the Father yet he us same being with the father.

gohf:
lol I never said Jesus isn't eternal

You were the one who called the Father's only begotten son, uncreated 🤷🏿‍♂️.

If you understood what creation means, you would understand what you said.

Anyway you said Jesus is the way, that's true, but what's this about human performance, are you saying you as a human have nothing to do to be saved 😳 then indeed you are right I have a different Jesus and we may not drink tea together in heaven 😭😭😭😭

Do you believe Jesus is the uncreated Son of God?
Go ahead what does creation mean? what do you mean that Jesus is the beginning but the father is before the beginning?
You believe you can be saved by your performance what does Romans 3 vv23 tell you?

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God2man2again:
Issue 1: Why would a man of God buy private jet?

I wouldn't say no reason but a man of God should be modest not greedily pursuing material things or lusting after filthy lucre and flaunting wealth but must be rich in good works.

Issue 2: The Bible was written by some people.

Yes the scripture was written by people through the inspiration of the holy Spirit, the hand of God guided the whole process of both the writing and the compilation.

Issue 3: They should sell the church buildings and use the money to build factory.

Though church building is not the church itself but it is a place where Christians gather to worship God. So church building is necessary for convenience and shelter congregants.

Issue 4: Chinese people are not religious yet they are better than us.

Being religious have nothing to do with economic growth, anybody that understand the principles of how things works and applies them would succeed regardless of whether they religious or not.

Issue 5: The men of God are the cause of the problem in Nigeria, they don't allow people to work, all they know is prayers, prayers, prayers and fasting.

No men of God are not the cause but some of them might be contributors to it. Alot of people pray ignorantly outside God's will and hence they don't get result, yes right prayer to the true God works but knowing and doing the will of God is Supreme and helps to pray right. One of God's principle is you reap what you sow if we sow corruption we reap corruption

Issue 6: The men of God establish universities to exploit the poor members, the universities can only be attended by rich church members, the poor people that paid the Tithe and offering cannot afford to go to the Church established universities.

Exploiting poor members is sinful, one of the mandate of the church is to take care of the poor and needy in the church, any church that is capable but fails in this regard must be avoided however, running higher universities are expensive.

Issue 7: What are they doing with the tithe and offering?

Tithe and offering is for the smooth running of the church to take care of church workers and to help those in need.

Issue 8: Nigeria Street is so full of many churches while there is no factory, no job.

It is not the duty of the church to build factory or create job that is not to say the church may not do it but it is the responsibility of the government. Having street full of church has nothing to do with lack of factory or jobs, in fact the existence of churches helps to curb alot of societal ills.

Issue 9: All men of God in Nigeria are fake.

This is just like saying because there are fake doctors therefore all doctors are fake.

Issue 10: There is no God. Why is there so much suffering in the world if truly there is God?

how can one have a product without a producer, there is no creation without a creator. The existence of evil actually prove there is God, how do we judge something as evil if there is no standard of goo and evil, if there is a standard for determining what is evil and what is bad who set that standard? There cannot be law without a lawgiver.

Issue 11: Men of God should not move with any escorts because God can protect. Why are they moving with escorts if truly God can protect them?

That God protect us does not mean we should open ourselves to danger. Some preachers decieve their members promising them security onces they buy special clothing or hand band or material this is a wicked lie. Protection lies in our obeying the commandment of God which also told us not to tempt God.

Issue 12: Prayers cannot solve our problems, we have been praying all these years, yet nothing happened.

empty prayer in sin cannot solve our problems but obeying God will.

If you are Christian and you would like to contribute to these issues, it would be highly appreciated but if you are not a Christian, your opinion is not welcome because I have already raised the issues of what you have been saying all these years.

Thank you.

You are welcome, hope this helps.

Gift96:
Have you ever thought about it? What exactly is this thing called life? We can explain life as the period from birth to death and the events in-between this time frame.

But What exactly is the purpose of life. I feel like we are just in a game.

The purpose of life can only be found in Christ Jesus. Jesus said " I am the way, the truth and the life" True life can only be found in christ that is knowing the father and the Son.
We were made to live in union with God(eternal life). It is only where we are come into the saving knowledge of Jesus christ and his father will life truly makes sense.

gohf:
implying, as how. Somebody that told John who wrote Revelations that he is the beginning and the end, alpha and omega. You are here typing all this ones.

Okay o, agree with whatever you believe sha make heaven let's drink tea together 😇

No the identity of Jesus christ is very serious because he is the way to heaven not our human performance.
If you don't believe that Jesus is the eternal, uncreated Son of God then you have a different Jesus.

Veecruz:
See how you are dribbling yourself because you now see that you are a liar and a devil for the topic is clearly posted om the header and introductory post. But because you are a devil you started seeing what you wanted to see.

Cursed are you and you shall die in your evils.

I pray God open your eyes and forgive you.

Veecruz:
Wow, you have become a serpent and atheist playing in the darkness of ambiguity, whereas everyone knows that God can use anyone or thing https://www.nairaland.com/7653054/god-use-anything-anyone-bless#122513019

And God won't just use anyone as proven by His Laws eg it is only the Levites who enter into His Sanctuary to do His Service and not just anyone.

You have become an evil and you already know what happens to people who become evil.

And I see now it is you Jesusjnr or so was referring to when he was saying that some people believe in Paul even over and above Jesus Christ because you are a devil

God can never be deceived no devil can ever escape His Wrath

smh.

Veecruz:
I had the inteepretation of anyone qualified to be used by God eg like God used Samuel even ad a child, same as He used Deborah, and same as He used Moses.

see your life now, so it is now God can use anyone qualified, no longer God can use anyone. You guys are bunch of liars.
you are confused as truespeak.

Veecruz:
Nope.

It is about leadership/oppression of women as done by the man in that position of leader, which includes everyone who leads whether king or bishop or coach or husband or wife who is the leader.

see how you are dribbling yourself. Confused one.

Veecruz:
Ahan na! Truespeak did not mention anything about bishop, elder and pastor, it was you who tried narrowing it to these people.

So what were we discussing?

Veecruz:
Stop pretending. You knew what he meant.

ok explain what he meant.

Veecruz:
If a woman is righteous, and her husband is equally righteous, then "The Law of Submit ye one to another" will be in full effect.

But if she is righteouser than her husband, her husband will submit to her. And knowing this would happen is why 99% of men run away from a woman who is righteous.

Or the most common thing is that they try and force her to make the mistake of dropping her up-rightness, so that they can be higher and better than her.

you are deluded.

truespeak:
Thank God everyone sees you have been the one twisting and turning and off pointing and deviating all the way .

While I have kept to the issue at hand.

So you are guilty of all of these and false accusations and lying and bearing false witness against your neighbour yet you call your self a Christian.

Shame on you!

where is the false witness? go and sleep, you know what you did, be truthful.

truespeak:
I changed nothing and you know it!

You are simply hitting your head on the rock of truth and since you can not counter you cheaply resorted to false accusations.

Any who God has qualified is qualified! Be it man or woman.

Shikena!

you are the one splitting your head over truth twisting and changing meaning of words.

truespeak:
Na wa, is this how you are? I have been civil to you, now you have been going off point and changing posts even your last post was a change of post and off point, not the issue yet I indulged you for I thought you honourable.

And I know you know the anyone I was referring to as every Christian knows and as such would not raise what you just raised, for it is ridiculous and downright stupid and now you accuse me falsely and wrongly.

For where is the twist in pointing what every learner Christian knows.

Wow! No difference between you and the atheists who do this.

I spoke the truth, when you said God can use "anyone" how do you now change the meaning of "anyone"?
No every learner Christian does not know what you mean by "anyone"?
There are guidelines on choosing an elder or bishop in the church not just anyone one can become an elder or a pastor.
Don't get me wrong I don't think a woman can never ever be a leader in church but not over a man. The role is primarily for men and a man should never be side stepped for a woman that is what Paul meant by usurped authority over a man.

truespeak:
You know the anyone I mean so this is totally unnecessary.

changing and twisting words so fast. Hahaha so anyone is no longer anyone?

truespeak:
There was no implication.

I spoke to the issue you raised in Timothy as your ground and showed you he was speaking as he opined and purposely, knowing God can use anyone. So he spoke carefully as a Lawyer would.

You chose to raise authority which as I answered you is not in issue. For I didn't question Paul's authority so your raising it is off point.

God does not use just anyone, sorry he is true to his word. When it comes to being a pastor or bishop there are requirements.

HazardAwka:
John 14 v 28 You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I

Jesus took a lesser position. Phil 2 vv17

truespeak:
Submit is not domination which is my case.

Respectfully, Paul's authority is not in issue so there is nothing to address here.

In the world leadership might be about domination but not the kind of leadership God institute for his church.
No, you implied it.
Paul also, said 'I' in the verse below, does it also mean it is just his personal opinion?

1 Timothy 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

When Paul use the word 'I say' it means it is not a direct command from the Lord but it is in line with the will of the Lord.

Veecruz:
True! But i think ye appreciate that the domination by politicians cannot be compared to the sweet and gentle and friendly domination which christ exerted over His disciples hence the parable of the servant who treated his fellow seevants wickedly and harshly. Mathew 24:48-51

Truth is Leaders have power and they dominate (rule) but, there are good leaders and 98% of people are evil leaders, both male and female.

christ have the power to dominate us but he does not do so, the same thing with a husband though he has authority over his wife but he does not dominatinate her, this is kingdom leadership. Leadership in the kingdom is an opportunity to serve and self sacrifice, it is not an opportunity for oppression and dominating.
The leadership of the world is not the example a Christian should follow but christ.

truespeak:
Note that Paul stated "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet."

Meaning his opinion on the matter and not God's. For he very well knows God can use anyone even babes as He pleases, as He used Deborah and no man could fault God's choice.

Men do not have dominion over a woman, women simply fell from their place due to their sins which has given the men the advantage. But all it takes is for a woman to be righteous from her youth up and you would find no man has any advantage over her.

if a woman is righteous she would know that she ought to submit to the leadership of her husband.

Paul as an apostle had the authority to speak and set doctrine for the church, as you can see below.
1 Timothy 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not; ) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

Veecruz:
A Leader dominates.

That is for worldly leadership not Christian leadership.

Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.