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MrBrownJay1:
again, stop looking at this issue UPSIDE DOWN!!! it doesnt matter what people give as offering, whats VERY IMPORTANT is what these "so called" men of god do with these offerings. now, if you believe that these offerings should be used to pay for Rolls Royce and private jets (while billions of xtians still go hungry), then you are more brainwashed than i thought you were.

Read again, I m not judging anyone by what they bring little or great provided it comes in faith neither an I condoning filthy lucre (lust for material things), but rather If someone decide to give his or her pastor a royce rolls, why should you condemn it? Real hard working pastors deserve more.

MrBrownJay1:
someone who can afford it with their own money, and certainly not someone using your "god's name to enrich their selfish self. do you know how many hungry people you can feed with the price of a Rolls Royce, let alone a private jet?!?!? these men are DEMONS in robe, no question about it!

exactly, why does the woman need not buy cheap perfume for Jesus and use the rest to feed the poor? Does Jesus need such expensive perform?

show me one verse in your holybook where jesus used what was given to him, to buy anything luxurious/fancy for his own selfish self...

Jesus does not need to. People bought expensive things for Jesus. He rode on an ass nobody ever rode, Jesus garment was so expensive that the soldiers decide to Shar it among themselves with lot, the sepulcher of Jesus was that of a rich man.
If people decide to give expensive things to Pastors what is that to you?

YES, to help the needy, the destitutes, the poor and hungry, [b]to help the church [/b]etc... not for these "supposed" servants of god to use as their own selfish agenda to buy fancy luxurious motor and private jets! abeg go read your holybook instead of showing your ignorance about your holybook's message!

If they wanted to just help the poor and hungry, they would not have laid their proceeds at the apostles feet. It was the apostles that decide on what it was used for.

MrBrownJay1:
i guess the Rolls Royce and private jet is also part of what the members need to provide for these charlatans abi?!

the above your wrote clearly shows how you demons read your bible upside down....

If pastors do not deserve Royce rolls who deserve it?
A woman bought one of the most expensive perfume for Jesus and even used her hair and tears to wipe Jesus feet.

People sold houses and lands, all their properties and laid the money at the apostles feet.
Not just pastors, everyone who dedicate their lives into working for The Lord Jesus christ deserves even more.

People who value heavenly things will invest in it, while does who treasure earthly things will invest in it.
People spends millions on clubs, alcohol, prostitute, satanic artist and celebrities, wise people who build the house on the eternal rock spend on eternal profitable things.

MrBrownJay1:
charlatan in robe needs 3 square meals a day (even if you dont), he needs a Bentley, Rolls Ryce or any exotic fancy luxury motor, he needs a private jets, he needs fancy clothing, he needs to have a fantastic life, while you dont. so yes tithe is important to these FRAUDSTERS IN ROBE!!!

your logic is running counter clockwise, you put your money into what gives you value.
Pastors bring value into the lives of their members as vessels of God therefore they deserve to be fed by their members.

Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Tithe is not just a law but a principle, the law of tithe says pay 1/10 of your earning to the priest.
The principle of tithing is that we should not allow the work of God to suffer we should invest carnal things into the things of God.
Hence paying 1/10th is a principle, it is the minimum we give, the early Christians gave all they have to the apostles.

Which of the people complaining about tithe can give all they have? If they cannot give 1/10th (minimum) how can they give all?

Jesus never abolish giving and if the church agree on tithe, then it is signed in heaven.
Matthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

Most people don't understand that the church have power, when the church agree on something, Jesus automatically agrees with it, and anyone against it is on his on her own. In as much as it is good, and honorable it is settled.
James has this to say,
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

For those against tithe, there is one question for you?
Is tithing a good thing or not?
Does it elevate the work of God or not?

If you know it is good and elevate the work of God and you are against it, according to James you have sinned.

Don't be decieved by God haters and christ rejecters, whatever a man sow that shall he also reap

cofta:
Hello People, i believe this is the right section for this. I have once visited some voodoo priests in past and they seem to have one thing in common. They bring out some fetish things and they start forecasting your destiny.

My Question : Do they really hear from the gods ?

you are dealing with devils. You should repent and believe in Jesus.

Yes Lord

Lord and saviour

Wonderful saviour

Yeap

Yes indeed, he has risen.

Jesus the bright and morning star.

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True repentance starts from recognizing one owns guiltless before God and not trading blames to others.

Psalms 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

It is easier to blame other people, race, gender, etc for wrong and ills done to us or others.

Many women find it easier to blame men for wrong doings but turn blind eyes to the female rot but blame it on society or something else.

Men and women committ crimes, they, commit domestic violence, rape, murder. Women just like men also commit murder eg abortion, molest little boys, oppress househelps or disdain those lower than them, become and support whoring, are liars, and become terrible wives and mothers amongst other things.

The human laws only recognize crimes but God's Law recognizes sins, one maybe guilty of human but be free in God's sight. But, however, one can be free in the eyes of human laws, a well behaved, respected, nice, free spirited person but be condemned according to God's Laws, such person is in for a rude shock.

The scriptures said all have sinned and fall short of God's glory.
A pedophle, rapist, murderers is going to hell if they die in sin same way a prostitute, liar, instigators of evils is going to hell if he or she dies in sin.

God does not do gender blame game, God will not attribute the sin of a single woman or man to the whole men or women. Everyone will give account of his or herself and will not be able to blame it on another.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

God does not just judge only the actions but also the inward thoughts and purposes of the heart.
The heart is also deceitful making you believe you are faultless whereas you are not.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Only God is truly good and righteous, we all are sinful and stand condemned before God.

The way of christ us to change people from the inside through the love of God and of christ.

God created everyone both male and female, we all are condemned by our actions and ways but God chosed not to condemned us, but to demonstrate his love for us.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Jesus didn't come condemning people even though they were guilty but he came to offer forgiveness and a new life, so that those in darkness of sin and condemnation would be free.
Dear friend would you like to be free, to be saved, to have a place in the father's house? I invite you to believe in that Jesus died for you and he was raised up from the dead and he will come back again to bring the father's blessings for all who wait on him.

OLAADEGBU:
Is Jesus going to be a Man forever?
by Matt Slick | Jan 19, 2018 | Jesus, Questions

Yes, Jesus is going to be a man forever. Nothing in Scripture states that he will stop being a man. Unfortunately, a lot of Christians think that Jesus stopped being a man when he ascended into heaven and is a kind of spirit. That is not the correct teaching. Let me explain.

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You are correct, Jesus is forever the God- man.
He is forever perfectly man and perfectly God.

tctrills:
I love your answer. This means even those before Christ would be saved if the believed in him?

yeap

tctrills:
What is the fate of those that lived before the coming of Christ? Would they be saved by his blood?

Abraham lived before the coming of christ, same with Abel, Noah etc yet they were saved. How? Through faith in the unseen God.
It is the father that draws people to christ, irrespective of satus and time.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

All those whom the Father draws to christ believes on Jesus and are saved just like Abraham who didn't know chtist in the flesh yet He believe the gospel; God himself preached to Abraham the gospel.

OkCornel:
Thankyou, "in that day"...not "in those days"

yes but it is however a "prophetic day'.
Just like in Daniel where a day was a year.
To the Lord it is just one day but to humans it is several years.

Maestro21:
I have tried to tell him it is a prophetic day in many different ways.

You don't need to stress yourself over it.

Note the word in that day, meaning it is taking place in the prophetic day of the Lord.

OkCornel:
Zechariah 14 v 1-7;
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.


@Maestro21, take note of the bolded parts. Will all these things happen in one literal day? or will happen continuously throughout the millennial reign of Christ?

A day with God is like a thousand years with man.

The day of the Lord is a long stretch of time beginning from the rapture to the destruction of the universe followed by judgment day.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

It is at the opening of the sixth seal that people on earth would realize that they are in the day of the Lord.

Yeap

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight: )

As Christians we walk by faith not by sight.

In other words we follow and live by what is not seen or experience in this carnal world.

Some people call it madness, insanity, foolishness etc however that is the way of the Spirit.

The Spirit is not seen neither does the world knows it, the carnal mind follow and live after normal earthly life and principles they only believe what is carnal, they only follow and live by what is in this life but the spiritually minded follow and live by the Spirit, they believe and live by the word of God.

Jesus said man shall not live by bread alone (carnal things) but by every word that comes out from the mouth of God.

The carnal things are only important and useful in this life only and only for carnal living.
However, when it comes to the spiritual and eternity only the word of God matters.

Friend Jesus died for you so you will be saved and that through faith in him by accepting him as your Lord and saviour you may have eternal life.

OkCornel:
Regarding the end times, how many resurrections do we have in the scripture?

There are two resurrection, the resurrection of the righteous and that of the unrighteous, infact during the great tribulation the two witnesses killed would be resurrected to heaven, meaning the resurrection of the righteous takes place more than once.
Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

But however, the resurrection of the rapture would take place in twice. One at the rapture and secondly at the second coming of christ.

Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:


Romans 11 has not be fulfilled yet, the old testament prophets all prophesied Israel's restoration. This would take place at the last wee of Daniel's 70 weeks.

Maestro21:
Today, the church but during the tribulation, John called them "saints" because the church had been raptured. The church age ends with the rapture.

Which brings me to the next poser, notice how the word church is used in Revelation from chapter 1-4 but then no mention of it all through the tribulation only to be reintroduced during the 2nd coming in chapter 19?

Why do you think John stopped referring to the people who believed in Jesus at the time the church?

You are correct! The church would be removed and the last week of Daniel's prophecy would commence. The last week is for the jews, to restore them spiritually before Jesus comes.
The 7 years tribulation is not for the church but for Israel, for example the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel not the church as some erroneously think. When the remnant (144000) are saved a great number of non jews (gentiles) would be saved fulfilling what Paul said. That is in Revelation 7 immediately the 12000 from each tribe of Israel were saved a great number of Gentile were also saved too.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

OkCornel:
2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4 ties in perfectly with Revelation 12 when the rebellion occurs, and the Revelation 13 when the beast is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4;
1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT COME until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Revelation 12 v 17;
17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.


Abi is Revelation 12 v 17 not also referring to the church?

The rapture and the second coming of christ is not the same.
In the rapture the church will meet Jesus but in the second coming he comes with the church and send his angels to gather his elect.

The day of christ and the day of the Lord are not the same.
The day of the Lord begins at the rapture and till the 1000 years reign of christ while the day of christ refers to period when christ will return and govern the earth.

Same way many would be asleep spiritually when Jesus comes.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.


The recent happening in Europe and the call for a world government is a clear proof of the fulfillment bible prophesy.

The rapture could happen at any time, if you are not washed in the blood of Jesus through faith in him alone, your destiny is the lake of fire.

The torment of God's judgment is for all eternity.

Only the righteousness of Jesus can cover you. no self righteousness, religious pity, human intellect, high moral stand etc can save you.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus paid the price of sin so that anyone who believes on him will be saved.