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TV01:
I'm sure there's an element of this, but; 1. It is almost certainly reducing, if not all but vestigial 2. nurture can negatively impact males as well.


And I maintain that putting a figure on it suggests overtones of "social engineering" engendered by ideology. I have no problem with any level of representation - high or low - as long as it is merited, and on the basis of equal opportunity and open access for all.


The head start that men have is their heads in this case . Abeg easy on the social re-engineering 0! Otherwise men may be at risk....


Not lazy, comfortable perhaps . Or just prone to different preferences and probably a wider array of options. Why would they not play to their strengths and seek to fulfill their desires?


Why are you despising women that choose to be homemakers? Stop denying women choice ! And don't forget, womens choices will impact on the dynamic of their relationships with men - unless of course relatiosnhips with men are forgone - by choice !


TV

Social engineering? TV01 stop slacking. It is within my rights to make postulations, that is how theories and laws come into place.
We can now go ahead and do our experiments as 'scientists' lmao on a sample of Nigerian girls based on my hypothesis that if we don't limit Nigerian girls to aspire to kitchen life , the drop out rate will decrease and we would have an increase in the number of nigerian girls in STEM.

And no I am not despising the girls that aspire to kitchen life, I am concerned about the girls who have it in them but drop out due to some retrogressive ways of thinking.

TV01:
Ah Stilly, so you at once deign not to to answer any of my assertions and at the same time charge me with something I did not say? . Why should women be at 45% in TEM, why not 60% like in medicine. Why does it make them lazy !

I'm sure nurture influences everyones choices to some degree, and doubtless it's at play here also. However, the fact remains that when it comes to the requirements of technology engineering and mathamatics, men' brains are better suited.

Does that mean women can't excel in those areas? No, it just means that they won't tend to go there as much and consequently have fewer outliers.

Other factors would be women' situations and life choices - they typically try and juggle family (for which read child-rearing) with career, this also informs their choices.

If you want to make a case for "nurture" being the overriding factor, please do so. I figure you are able to present your position absent snide asides and "skirt-surfing".



TV

^{skirt surfer* - one who lacks the nous to rebut opinions or present a cogent case on a topic, but instead chooses to indirectly make baseless insinuations and trite asides - typically by referencing their pain indirectly as a response to another post. Closely related to trolls, but typically sadder, and with a tendency to whinge and present as emotionally skewed}

TV01, I'm glad you are aware of the familial factors and the way women are 'nurtured' that 'hinders' our progress.
And yes we should at least be at 45% at the moment if women are socially brought up to prioritize traits like assertiveness, doggedness, not modesty. And yes I am making estimations not assertions , because for the fact that we are merely having a discussion, we can make hypothetical statements, and a scientist often puts her opinion and estimations in her discussion section of her scientific reports, tehehe.
So no I'm not being 'ideological' but doing what scientists do, make hypothetical statements and then work towards proving it.

I chose 45% at the moment because men have always had the benefit of a head start. I'm not stupid to make foolhardy estimations of 60% at the moment.
As of my lazy comment, as of the 1930s we start seeing women in physics, chemistry fields. So yes I think Western women have grown lazy over the years.
I have no worries though Nigerian women match them despite the incriminating factors we have in our country, both economic and sexist views that most of you here would wish women to aspire too. To think kitchen! But not under my watch. Tehehe

TV01:
That right there is an ideologically based - and biased - value judgement. Why is it too low? Especially if opportunity is equal? Are the number of female road sweepers, dustbin "men", or conductors too low ?

This is conjecture; "predisposed"? in what way, want to do STEM, are good enough to do STEM, are incentivised to do STEM or have the tenacity to do STEM? Even a natural predisposition may be superceded by another preference.

Why are they termed lazy? If the sum of their talents, desires and situations typically rule out STEM, why is that a problem? Your figure of 45% can't hold, at least not as an ideologically pursued outcome.

What will happen, is that women will be "seduced" in, then the attrition rates will rocket as they figure they are not best suited and would rather do other things.
The whole thrust is supposedly for women to be able to avail themselves of freely available choice, no? So why then do those choices have to be coerced or condemned

TV

Are you seriously trying to rule out the fact that the way the genders are nurtured does not influence the decisions they eventually make?

TV01:
Which is the whole point - no one is saying women can't do great things, or should be denied the opportunity to do so. The simple truth is women' preferences often lie elsewhere.

As has been amply demonstrated in those nations that incentivise, formulate policy or otherwise proactively intervene in order to increase or balance numbers in STEM fields - it's a pointless exercise. If they are predisposed they will naturally gravitate towards, just like you stated

I actually agree but at the same time the percentage of women in the STEM is incredibly too low but I would not use that statistic to reflect the percentage of women who are predisposed to the sciences. I believe the number should be higher than what is, women are just being lazy. Even if the men are endeared towards it, we should at least be at 45%...

bukatyne:
@Stillfire:

Very good one which proves my point really.... These women are there because they want to So they are willing to go the extra mile to succeed.

I am getting something from you and ramudeter here...

If more girls are coerced, then more girls would stay (till the end?) in STEM.

Those women are really a motivation to younger women as I can see they are married (if I saw well o)

I won't say coerced but encourage the ones that are naturally predisposed to the sciences. For science it's either you have it or you just don't. You can't force it.

Here is another Nigerian woman doing great things.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDTTfoFnHrY


http://www.cnn.com/videos/international/2014/11/10/spc-african-voices-francisca-okeke-a.cnn

Professor Okeke was the Dean in the faculty of Physical Sciences at UNN from 2008 – 2010. She is a huge inspiration to women in the sciences and we’re really inspired by the work she is doing. In an interview with UNESCO, she was asked “What remains as the biggest challenge faced by women and young girls in science in Nigeria and what can be done to encourage young girls to consider further study in Science?”
She replied: “It’s encouragement. Where and when it is possible, we need to let the guardians and parents know the importance of women participating in science.

I will talk specifically about the village because, though there are some enlightened people there, the situation is worse. Sometimes you have girls who are very brilliant but are forced into early marriage. We can let parents be aware of advantages of their daughters becoming scientists and that they can gain more from the girls when they are scientists than when they get married as early as 16, 17 or 18. Like it happened a few years a go, we can call social gatherings with a talk by someone on ‘women in science’. We can give them examples, maybe by playing movies of successful women in science. This can work wonders.

We need to get guidance counsellors for these young women because some of them should have opted for these courses but since they don’t have the background and counselling, they say “this is a male subject so I can’t do it”.

Another angle to this is to lead as a model, by example. I have so many postgraduate female students and many of them have gotten PhDs through my guidance, counselling and encouragement. But if I don’t let them come near me, they will be scared. And once they are scared of you, they are scared of the subject. We need to tell them that this subject is not as difficult as they think. If it’s possible, get women to teach women. ‘Seeing is believing’. They will eventually see that it is practical and that this is a subject that can be dabbled into and not fearing it because ‘people say…’

Bukatyne don't let anyone distract you. We can use this thread to encourage the little Nigerian girls that are coming up.
I've been meaning to start a thread like this, but too lazy to click a button and make threads on NL.

Must more ladies be enrolled into STEM courses? Must there be a gender based quota as regards the enrollment into STEM courses

No I don't believe in a quota system. Why? Quality over quantity. I remember getting into a slug of words with some guy here that wanted to restrict women to always think 'home/family life' first before anything else. A girl is fed with such thinking and it frames her outlook in life and she cops out of pursuing the so called 'difficult' things in life, avoids 'threatening' the man, even on the internet she is hesitant on stating her views and defending it. You see females failing to challenge societal misnomers and agree to ideals that put them at the low rung of the ladder. So the first thing every female brought up under such societies is to crush such thinking. It is a hindrance. Most girls need to understand that the world is their oyster, and need to take control of it!

This article below tells us Nigerian female scientists are not doing badly. Despite US women not being undermined by misogynistic values in their system that Nigerian women have to deal with in this part of the world, Nigerian women roughly match their enrollment rates. So if we begin to train our daughters and gear them towards thinking big and not restrict their thinking to home economics, I must marry by force , you can imagine the great things Nigerian women can do.

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/02/17/386549295/tough-as-nails-women-scientists-rise-up-in-nigeria

Four hours. That's how much time physicist Rabia Salihu Sa'id has each day to get her research done at Bayero University in Kano, Nigeria.

"Each day, my university is giving me only four hours of electricity. I can't do research in four hours!" Sa'id says, laughing, despite her frustration.

She studies how deforestation may change air temperatures in Nigeria. Computing power is essential for her research.

"Think! You are concentrating and the power goes off! You try to use the battery, and the battery starts beeping. Then you have to close it and leave," she says. "The ideas are gone by the time you come back. It's difficult — you have to start all over again."

Working as a professor isn't an easy job anywhere. But scientists in many low-income countries, such as Nigeria, cope with problems unheard of elsewhere. Universities commonly lack the funds to support research, while students have no access to computers or the Internet.

Despite such slings and arrows, good science does get done in poor countries. And done by women, such as Sa'id. Women make up only about 14 percent of Nigerian academics but account for about a quarter of the science and technology professors — the latter statistic is roughly inline with the percentage in the U.S.


Three of the top female scientists from Nigeria, including Sa'id, won an award Saturday at the annual meeting of the American Association for Advancement of Science in San Jose, Calif.

Sitting around a table during the conference, the women swapped experiences and shared common frustrations. Many times they sounded just like female scientists in the U.S. They strive to get money for students, to do innovative research under tight funds and to receive support from male colleagues.

"I don't think they were very happy in my department when I got the award," Sa'id says about her male colleagues back home. When she showed one of them her award letter, he asked if the award was specifically for women. She said it was. "And he just shook his head and walked away — as if that's the only reason I got it!"

"There is always some hostility," says Dolly Ighoroje, a physiologist at the University of Benin in Nigeria. "I don't know if it is because they feel threatened or envious or something because as far as they are concerned, they are the boss."

But some of these women's struggles make problems in the West look small. Take for instance Mojisola Oluwayemisi Adeniyi's experiences at the University of Ibadan.

Like Sa'id, Adeniyi is a physicist. Her goal is to understand how future climate conditions in Nigeria will affect the country's ability to grow food. This type of research requires massive computing power — think a room filled with computers for her students to run climate models.

Adeniyi has only one laptop. But that doesn't stop her.

"Presently I improvise," she says. Adeniyi uses her own laptop, outfitted with eight processing cores and climate modeling software, which she copied at a conference.

"If you tell someone I am running regional climate model on a laptop," she says, "they'd find it unbelievable — but I do it."

Adeniyi's dream is a computer room for her students. But she doesn't have the money to buy the machines. Lack of funds, in general, seems to be a problem for many scientists in Nigeria. Many even have to use personal money to fund their research.

When Mojisola Usikalu was working to get her master's degree in physics, she used her salary as a schoolteacher to pay for samples to be analyzed. She studies how radiation can affect plants and animals.

"The professor I went to said my data were very good," Usikalu says. "He encouraged me and said, 'You can do more than this.' From that point, I said to myself, 'OK, there are good opportunities in the sciences. If I just do good work, maybe I can get somewhere.' "

Usikalu believes that with a little doggedness and a little help from time to time, anything is possible. The professor recommended her for a doctoral fellowship. Now she's a lecturer at Covenant University in Ota, Nigeria.

"I always try to motivate the students — especially the girls," she says. "I tell them, 'There is no barrier. There is nothing that can keep one from good success in science if one is passionate about it, determined and focused. One can get to any level.' "

Like in the U.S., girls in Nigeria tend to drop of science as they get older, Adeniyi says.

"It's in secondary school that boys and girls begin segregating," she says. "Girls start thinking math and physics is hard. It's not feminine. But if people like us can go there and talk to them, showing them what we have achieved, telling them they can do well in those subjects, they will surely be encouraged."

You're just not in touch with my financial means as a man, enough for me to satisfy your shopping needs as a woman."

Can only work on women that get their financial lifeline from the men in their lives.

Onegai:
Like seriously. Anyone who calls that article deep probably believes fried rice is the most nutritious and balanced meal ever. I hate pseudo-intellectualism.

Lol. That is why campaigns like free the nip.ple will continue to fly over my head...I don't do pseudo-intellectualism well. Absolutely of no relevance to progressive societies. Here in Africa, our foremothers used it only for legitimate causes and it should remain so. Not for 'self' expression or because one silly white woman is tired of wearing a bra.

MizMyColi:
This is it!
One of our friends posted a nude on fb, in celebration of on of those world celebration days.
The backlash that came with it is what I'm sure, inspired this write up.

Taking to the streets naked is really awkward, but hey, whatever rocks their boat, as long as they're not breaking any laws.

They are indeed breaking laws. It is filed under indecent exposure in America. Each state have their own classification of what it is.
Most people here just ignore nudi.ty when they see it, but if just one person that gets offended calls the cops, the individual would be charged for a misdemeanor.
For political/social demonstrations, you better have approval from the police or community and make sure no child is around the vicinity.

In Nigeria, we would just think the individual is a mad person.

Nu.dity is contextual. You can express it in art, in science, on a nudist beach, among indigenous tribes, but as soon as you take it upon yourself to walk nake.d on the streets of New York or Lagos in the name of freedom of expression or liberation, I will call the damn cops.
No, I don't want to see any random person's naked body.
Be naked in your house and express yourself there.

5minsmadness:
@stillfire this is an example of what we Nigerians know as "provocative" bumshorts. Pls pay no mind to some folk who like to paint others in bad light for reasons best known to them. Or maybe it's just honest ignorance.

Yeah this is provocative and indecent. Not a good look on anyone.

coogar:
everything as in her panties or the cat's whiskers?

You think they would wear panties inside such or maybe go for a thong? Totally defeats the purpose of showing the world your Gluteal Sulcus aka gluteal fold, fold of the buttock, horizontal gluteal crease or nyansh curvature.

toolz need to find a good gym!
i don't get the hype. if she doesn't do something to those curves of hers promptly, she would be fighting diabetes in the next 5 years.

Really? Toolz is many-a-naija men fantasy o.
So not all naija men like it all heavy loaded, lmao! You are scared of her big nyansh or what?

Sagamite:
What I mean are women that basically only think of themselves. The types that think a man should show he is on this planet to serve them and make them happy, and that set-up is their entitlement because they are L'Oreal (.............."because I am worth it", not because they earned it.

The wicked part is, apart from the normal natural wickedness some certain humans possess, the women who get all flustered because a guy would not do their bidding (which they think is their entitlement) and then they want to take some revenge (e.g. taking half).

As for where do I come across such women, babes, they are the majority. It is cultural now with the whole feminism stuff giving women some false ideals of entitlement, being wronged and having the right to retaliate/hate men for the long-suffering of the female gender.

Add this to women being naturally selfish/self-centred and the odds is very high in meeting such women.

https://www.nairaland.com/1433735/ladies-attitude-when-breaking-up/1#18072016

It takes consciousness and self development for most women to avoid being like that.

As I have always said on NL, there is a reason why women don't like each other that much.

I remember that thread. And I remember telling you coochie rules the world. According to Chris Rock, va.gina is expensive, di.ck is free.

Anyway, how would you train your daughters though?

coogar:
you would be surprised she would attempt to cover her flying bütt-base with her hands while walking. i sometimes wonder if they were forced to wear it!

I wish she did that. This one bent over the cashier table, and everything was out in the open.

hehe!
this is super-decent. if ladies leave it like this, no one would raise eyebrows. female footballers wear this types and men don't drool over them.

Also I have to add the big girls ruin the shorts trend for everyone and take it to the level of super in-de-cent.
Imagine Toolz in that.

coogar:
it's obvious cococandy does not know what bumshorts are. the base of the bütt has to be exposed for it to be bümshorts!

I actually saw a chic in wearing that at the mall. It was a funny sight.

Something like this is OK as far as I'm concerned as long as she's not going to the church, mosque or office. But some people may not consider it decent.

https://fashionablestylish.files./2013/05/mid-length-shorts.jpg?w=300&h=375

cococandy:
Well that's what I know bum shorts to be.

On adults the butt may hang out because they have butts that can hang out but on kids, there's nothing there to hang out so that's how it looks on kids.

Anything shorter than that is basically a pantie.

Lol.

It is morally wrong, but there would be times where it can be justified.

cococandy:
Thank you my dear. I feel sick when anyone says a child is dressed provocatively.
That's just sad. What's the world turning into?
We try to blame it on modernization and say that's what's spoiling our kids while in truth we are becoming more and more prudish and over sexed.
I don't even know how that combination is possible but it's happening.

Before this so called modernization, we didn't see anything wrong with child nudityy.
Even we as kids didn't know there's anything called sexy until we started maturing.

So what's the real culprit here?

Didn't we all grow up in Nigeria where kids stay outdoors all day only in panties and are non the wiser about their provocative nature? Now we see sexuality where there should be none.
It frightens me.

As for kids' fashion, some thing definitely look odd on kids. And that includes weaves, make-up or anything that makes them not look like kids. Let the kids be kids dear parents.

Below is a child in bum shorts and there's nothing sexy about that. Don't give pervs excuse to justify paedophilia as they've tried to justify rape of adults on dressing.

Is that what they call bum short in Nigeria? I was thinking it's the one the butt would be loosely hanging out, lol.
I practically grew up wearing shorts like that in the pic. So people find that provocative? Really?

Popular culture dictates these rules. Fortunately for us we grew up during the time of Michael Jackson, so children wanted to break dance not twerk. The highest sex.ual dance was to do a Patra-butterfly dance . Unfortunately today popular culture is ruled by the twerkers association. And children would absorb these element adults have put out there. If we had such gyrating, sexu.al dancing in our time, we would have done it as well especially without parental guidance. Today's parents have a whole lot more to do in releasing healthy individuals into society, considering the amount of information children would absorb in the current and future generation, most of us didn't even understand it until we were in our 20s. For you to have a headway, the entertainment industry wings need to be clipped. You can also use the way a child is dressed to gauge the mental class of the parent.

Notwithstanding, your individual/institutional ideals on decency may differ from others. For example, my church would consider the pic below indecent because they can see your knees, but I can wear this to work without anyone batting an eyelid.

https://www.mysuitshop.com/images/shop/style-12715-elegant-above-knee-length-pencil-skirt.jpg

And I do agree with Freecocoa on viewing certain items on 4-6yr olds as 'provocative'.

Also, A kid can also be covered up, but not wear age-appropriate clothing.

cap28:
Women in Nigeria really need to start campaigning for the govt to reform the law so that women and their children are protected because as it currently stands a woman in Nigeria can be thrown out of her matrimonial home at the drop of a hat.

Why should this woman be forced out of her home when she was not the one who caused the problem? Is it a crime for a woman to refuse to be used as a foot mat in Nigeria?

This woman has been enduring so much abuse from the husband but stuck it out for the sake of her children and the only way the man could repay her was to go outside and have a child, now instead of coming back to beg his wife for forgiveness he resorted to beating her up (in collaboration with his useless relatives) and throwing her out of his home - this can never happen in a civilised society, b y the time you commit adultery know that your marriage is over (depending on how vindictive/forgiving your wife is) not to talk of having the guts to bring a love child home to your wife and forcing her to raise the child. Nigeria is still very much in the dark ages as far as the way it treats women.

Absolutely. Nigeria women are just not conscious of the danger they are in. The energy we are supposed to use to protect ourselves in or out of marriage, we have expended the energy to fight to become a Mrs. Somebody. When you tell Nigerian women of these dangers, they feel you are trying to steal their husbands or something along tradition or religion. I'm just glad she's not giving up and got herself a lawyer.

freecocoa:
Your head dey there, those boys no reach then. There was no need for me, there was a goal ahead and distractions was what boys would be then.

I know right? And the more you turned them down, the more they kept coming back, especially the bad boys of the school. OMG one used a guinea pig to terrorize me out of my class because I've been turning him down. Very wicked boy!

Following the development, Omowumi contacted a lawyer, Barrister, Olufemi Ajiboso who petitioned the Ogun State Commissioner of Police and the management of FRSC Ogun State Command, her husband’s employer.

She contracted a lawyer. She's on the right path to justice. It is times like this I wish Aisha2 and Debrief were still here.

cap28:
Women in Nigeria are really going through hell, cheated on, beaten and then thrown out of her matrimonial home by the same cheat for refusing to accept the product of the cheats adulterous lifestyle. Kai! Only in naija!

Even the enforcers of the law failed her.

cococandy:
They are the custodians of the beautiful tradition.

Lmao!

Another patriarchal 'excess'.
Patriarchy keeps on killing itself day by day with its excesses. TV01 where are you?

Onegai:
Dear Naija Wives,

UNA DON TAKE YA "ENDURANCE" MEDICINE TODAY

Leave a cheating husband mmbbaa! Dey there dey "endure". Even her in-laws joined hands to beat her up for her "disobedience". No-one will blame the man, they will ask this battered wife to get on her knees and pray for forgiveness and submissive spirit and more power to endure.

Oniranu

Lmao!

brocode:
If you gat your game up, you can get laid in less than 3hours of conversation. That doesnt mean u re bad, it means you are man enough. BAD would have been going one round at least when we got to our destinations before we part ways.

Lmao, is this the lie you people tell yourself? Mr. Man that is whoredom!
You've got 'game' and a girl used 'bitter cola' to trick you into pregnancy, rotflmao!

She's old enough. Northern girls even look forward to marrying older men.
I expected more from Sanusi though with all the education, damn.
What am I saying? Expect more ke? There is no difference between an educated naija man and a village palm wine tapper when it comes to d.ick matters.

heartbrokenwife:
I would cut the story short. Been married for 3 years and dated for 5. I caught my husband cheating twice in the marriage and forgave him. However i just realised today that he has been cheating on me since we got married, and says he has slept with over 60 people that he can count in 4 years, some of them repeatedly. Please don't ask me how i didn't know..... a lot of them was either in the evenings or he would leave the office from work and go to a hotel room.he says sometimes he sleeps with 6 in a week. he has fake Facebook, fake instagram, fake twitter, and 2 extra phones that i never knew about. the phones were kept in his office. He even confessed to lying to me that he had an official meeting in nigeria, but when to have orgy. there was no meeting. From what he said its like it was the moment he changed jobs and started making money that he started the cheating spree. which was shortly after our wedding. We have just 1 son together. In the light of this news, i have decided i want a divorce. I would say i am lucky to go this far without being hiv positive. This is a man that would be leading devotion every night lol. and be harassing me for wearing sleeveless to church. I thought he was a saint.
He has said he wants to change and work things out lol, however i have to think straight, as i know there is no change for this kind of problem. I have informed my parents and his, and to my surprise, they are telling me to stay...and ENDURE. I do not understand what kind of endurance. My parents have advised i sit down and start praying and fasting for him,, so God will turn him round. Also that for the sake of my sonI don't think devil has anything to do with this, just a selfish cheating man.

So please has any of you dealt with something like this before? I don't believe he will change. Has anyone stayed and it was bearable? do you think you made a mistake by staying? Has anyone left and regretted it for the sake of their children?


Thank you.

Obviously this man has toooooo much time on his hands.
You are the only one that can answer what is good for your mental health.
For divorce, you need to get your finances in order first before initiating it.
If your finances are not in order, use divorce as your end point, while you build your finances towards it.
In the meantime, use this event to lay down some solid ground rules that he must abide to for you to stay.
1) Calculate the expenses he pays for such trips and he must transfer it into your personal account every week.
2) Build a fortified itinerary for him. He must be very present in home chores, the children's life to take away the too much time he has on his hands.
3) Sign him up for counselling classes, that he must attend, if he misses any he must pay an amount into your account.
4) If he is caught again, he must pay you a critical amount that will stretch his account, sebi he says he is repentant so this shouldn't bother him.
5) Sebi your parents and his said you should endure, use them as witnesses and if possible get a lawyer to draft this contract.
I do not believe he will change, sorry, but make sure you are equipped financially to carry out your divorce. Use this critical moment wisely and use him well to get what you need.

freecocoa:
Yea, some children don't need to see this to stay in line but seriously I recommend it for girls who won't listen, if she refuses to keep herself jejely, let her realise she go carry the baby o, my mum will say "if you have sex and get pregnant, I must know and God knows you will carry and deliver that baby, na village get you next, you'll drop out of school because you can't leave your baby for me and go to school na" That's all she needed to say.

But some girls no dey hear sha.

Lol, not only scary pregnancy tales, but as a teenager, boys were nothing other than a nuisance for me.
It's not as if I did not read those er.otic novels o, I read it, enjoyed every bit of it and had crushes.
But to find myself entangled to one silly brat because he wanna prove to his mates he can 'toast' a babe, absolutely not possible. That kept me in line as well, didn't want to give one idi.ot such pleasures.

KanwuliaJara:
My people!
I took care of a lady that had her 3rd daughter 2 days ago. The oldest is 13. She allowed her teenage daughter to watch her WHOLE VAG INAL BIRTH from LABOR to AFTERBIRTH!

She advocates young girls being allowed to witness this "private ceremony" as a the ultimate education concerning WHERE BABIES COME FROM.

I never thought of this and have MIXED feelings about this.

Women in the house, UNA GO GET LIVER do this kain tin?

Whether you get fruit or vegetable of the womb or blokos is not the issue.

How can women educate young girls to make responsible choices and make less mistakes?

We all know about teenage pregnancies, STIs, STDs, abortion and all that can affect the female child more significantly.

I am still thinking. . . . .

Nope, it's not that serious.
But the woman is the only one that knows her kid. Maybe shock works on her. My parents thankfully did not have to use shock to get us to act right. The idea that if you had se.x, God will not be happy with you and you might get pregnant and the following embarrassment to myself and family was enough for me o (Talking about STI's/STDs to kids were not even as popular then and still it was enough). I don't know about kids of nowadays though if that would work. But are children now goats that they can't listen to simple instructions from parents, that they need shock to get any message across to them?

If I had seen that kind of thing at 13, I can assure you I would have fainted! In fact I changed my career path multiple times because of things like that, lol. So I no get that kain liver.

Sagamite:
So this is your new handle?

Why you no tell me before?

Or you thought we had suspended our mutual reputational harassment and online sexual harassment of each other?

Abi you changed names because you are terrified of my libel lawyers?

The thread is about the mirage called "Till-death do us part luf" and the unrealistic institution called "marriage".

Edited
The quoted thread is about some ediot who is not in a marriage with 2 people and does not even know them personally telling the world that it is "one of the most enviable and durable versions of love".

Those are the kinds of moronic fuuktards that mislead people to start thinking married people are happily married when in reality most likely they are contently married, if not unhappily married.

Lol, enviable? Nigerian journalists/reporters/bloggers can make anyone go insane. Isn't the guy married to another wife? Looks like a sponsored post. Maybe the madam in the pic is trying to make the other wife envious.

Sagamite:
Thank you!

- A wedding is bleeping expensive but even that highh expense is dwarfed by price of divorce for a man in the West.

You can escape the price of divorce by running back to Africa and besides weddings don't have to be expensive.

- No one expects you to read their mind and then start a fight based on your lack of telepathic intrusion abilities.

Men do not like women that speak their minds, it threatens the male's exaggerated idea of self, so these beta females use nuances to speak what's on their mind. Be more receptive to women who speak their minds and then we won't have this issue.

- You get the best out of women you are with because they don’t relax or take you for granted like they do after you put a ring on it.

Don't you too relax when you finally have se.x with a woman? All the romantic stuff stops, no more calls, no more flowers, you begin take her for granted.

- You can have multiple women without hassle. Slim/thick/Orobo/dark/light/funky/pious/artistic/White/Indian/Black/Cushtic/Mix it all together etc

Too much of everything is bad.

- No one is negotiating what you will watch on TV with you. You can watch your sports, news and wildlife documentaries when you want.

There's the option of having multiple TVs.

- Your house can be as clean and neat as YOU are comfortable for it to be without having an argument or negotiating cleaning. Mine is scruffy.

Would you date a scruffy girl though?