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^^^Oh how gracious of you frosbel, even for those who are praying for your conversion, you are willing to help out

alexleo: All this one you people are boiling here is because we rejected your errors of calling Mary mother of God and worshiping her. How can God have a mother? Then it means God died and rose up on the third day in your own reasoning. Then the mother died and never rose up. How does that sound to you? Mother of God indeed.

Was Jesus God in the womb of Mary? How could such a simple question be so difficult to answer, almost twenty-four hours now since it was asked. We are calmly waiting for our question to be answered so that we move forward.

solomon111: Heb 1:12
"And some day you will fold them up and replace them and you yourself will never change and you yourself will never change and your years will never end" TLB
So i don't know where you got your own verse.
Btw,Heb 1:13 shows the distinction between God and his son.
Read up on it.

Heb1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom".

solomon111: There is only ONE GOD,and that is Jehovah,the father of jesus christ.
Mary was priviledge to be the earthly mother of jesus by undeserved grace.
Mary was not and will never be the Mother of GOD Almighty,the father of our lord jesus christ.

Heb1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. KJV

She is the mother of the Son not true?

solomon111: There is only ONE GOD,and that is Jehovah,the father of jesus christ.
Mary was priviledge to be the earthly mother of jesus by undeserved grace.
Mary was not and will never be the Mother of GOD Almighty,the father of our lord jesus christ.

John1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".
1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" KJV

She is the mother of the word made flesh not so?

solomon111: And you don't see anything wrong with this?
How can a created entity be the mother of the creator?
Does that make sense to you?

How can the word take flesh and dwell among us? does that make sense to you? but you preach this, don't you?

solomon111: Stop saying this.
This is blasphemy for christ sake.
God has been in existence since time immemorial.

It was His choice to take flesh and dwell among us, He chose to be in her womb, He chose her to give birth to Him at Bethlehem. Why deny her the title?

benalvino: [size=18pt]why will they pray to mary to pray for them... thats is so funny... why cant the queen just go to her king in heaven and tell him what to do or why cant she do it for them since she is superior as she carried god for 9 months... she exist before him she gave him his deity[/size]

Are you reassuring yourself of your position or what?

benalvino: Did you not say she is the mother of God?
or are you saying the father is not God again?
you see how useless that Idol is making you guys behave?

answer the Question... Is mary the mother of God? you say yes then you are saying she is the mother of Jesus who is lol...
if she is the mother of God that means she is the mother of the father and holy spirit... Roman catholic believe that God is One so what are you saying?

Why are you fretting,I am confident and composed in my posts. This is religion we are talking about,something pertaining to salvation not so? Just take a look at your posts and see how you have behaved towards me in a religious environment. Are you incapable of laying out your point lovingly? No one is in a competition with you here,I said "Mary is the mother of Jesus, Jesus is God, Mary is the mother of God". I am waiting for the rest "co-teachers" of yours, they seem to be on the run.

Debroslink: ".....And someone said to Him, 'Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.' But He answered the one who was telling Him and said, 'Who is My mother and who are My brothers?' And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, 'Behold, My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, He is My brother and sister and mother.'" - Matthew 12:46-50

Jesus never for once had any regard nor honour for his "mother" Mary whom he called "Woman" anytime He chatted with her. Hold on to your Idol because she will "pray" for you on the last day when Jesus labels you an idol worshipper.No?

mother of God my foot.
Show me in the scriptures where
1. Jesus called her "MOTHER"
2. Jesus was called "son of Mary"

Why don't you quote a relevant post to the topic, You are trying to avoid the question on ground? I have told you, Only the truth shall set you free.

Please take another look at what you posted in bold, Is that the type of Jesus you preach to people? Good Grief! A Jesus that disregarded and dishonored his mother? Do you have children and is that what you teach them? Lord have mercy! I will take on all these when the time comes, but first give me your answer for the question I have been asking since yesterday "Was Jesus God in the womb of Mary"? Someone said no he was only human, what do you say?

benalvino: Now question for you... How can she be the Mother of God the father, Son and Holy spirit... I think you believe there is only one God?

why do you guys love mary so much that you honour her more than anything... the bible new testament was about jesus... why is mary exalted higher than anything by you cults?
you even made her mother of God meaning she is older than God...

Answer for you. I never said she is the mother of God the father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is you who have been saying it, I believe Italo had drawn your attention to it earlier, not so? I have always maintained in Line with the Holy Catholic Church, that Mary is the mother of Jesus who is God, hence Mary is the mother of God. But you and your cohort objected to this and since yesterday have took to your heels in the face of the question "Was Jesus God in the womb of Mary"?. Now you say He was not God, and I will give some time for your "Co-teachers" to come and support this your assertion before I take on you all together.

25Calibre: Holy Moses! What is this load of garbage?

This is misunderstanding, misappropriation of the highest order, I can't even begin to tackle this convoluted web of misunderstanding, I'm not a therapist.

All I can tell you is

1 - Mary was a mere mortal used in bringing Jesus into the world.

2 - Mary was born with sin like anyone else, she is not an immaculate conception, only Jesus is/was

3 - Mary was only a virgin before Jesus, after the birth if Jesus, she was fu*ked ( yes fu*ked!) by Joseph and she bore james, joses, Jude and Simon.

4 - Mary died like anyone else, she didnt ascend into heaven, only Enoch and Elijah did.

5 - Mary is just a regular joe like you and I, she isn't/wasn't elevated above anyone else.

You Catholics, listen and stop your idolatry, these overused claim of being the first church won't save you all, it's even written in the bible, " The first shall be the last and the last the first "

Because you said it doesn't make it true...after all you are even wearing a mask.

Ubenedictus: this is very silly, go back to your biology class and learn that a child blood is from both parents

I just do not understand why someone should lie to cover a notion rather than test it with truth. Take a peep into this page and see what's happening over a simple question. Yet they are so quick to condemn.

https://www.nairaland.com/1356155/what-happening-churches-really-bad/4#16798495

frosbel: hmm, I care not what MEN think or say about me.

So Why do you think men should care what you think or say about them?

benalvino: lol hold your idol with strong grip. hahaha dont you think you are too old to be interested in doll baby aka marry the idol. lol
the Verse phil shows you that Jesus being God took on human nature... In Mary's womb he was human...

keep fooling your self and dont answer the question you are asked... Just hold on to your doll baby... soon pope Benedict go do their cult ritual by molesting a small boy

So to you, Jesus was not God in Mary's womb but just Human.

Now I have got an answer, I need Alexleo, debruslink,and co to tell me they also agree with you, before I take you all on that.

bizmahn: @Alex, I agree 100%.But frosbel's case is peculiar.His subtle disguised steel hard arrogance while hiding behind believer derailing heresies as beliefs is baffling.Yet at the same time labeling wellmeaning rebutable men of God & churches like deeper life & apostolic faith as occult just because of minor shortfalls in teachings done in ignorance.Moreover you can evidently see many people he has derailed from truth with so called freedom gospel (Freedom to sin with nothing to loose).

OLAADEGBU to Frosbel: Are you also willing that I expose you? Let me know if you're up for it.

bizmahn: -
Agreed & accepted.Love principle is required.And there is still love when a caring dad spanks or disciplines his obstinate child though he's bitter that moment.On thorough examination frosbel type of gospel will drag multitudes to eternal destruction & he leaves no room of possibly being wrong somewhere like any genuine christian will.Paul did not go soft on fellows that tried to corrupt the gospel.Satan last day strategy is not outright lies as before.He tells some truth & channel it to subtle lies that will nullify that truth & lead to destruction.Same does frosbel.Honestly it's wrong to count him a christian by these attributes.But however I agree love is key.Thanks

alexleo: Thanks dear. Also while praying for yourself, remember frosbel in your prayers too that God should perfect his ways. That's part of the act of love. Also pray for me that the Lord should perfect my ways. That I may not be ashamed to stand before Him on the day of His glorious appearing. God bless you.

When you peep, your head shows! If you live in glass house, don't throw stones! Take away the log in your eyes, before removing the splinter in your neighbor's.

frosbel: The catholic church cannot truly be called Christian, more like the Mystery Babylonian worship, they can't talk and should repent of their idolatry and follow the real JESUS.

I thought it was a general consensus here that you are the one under illusion. I doubt if the prayer session being held for your deliverance is concluded. I will rather wait till those brethren tell me the good news.

*Do visit page 1 for a reminder*

It is you who said this earlier:

benalvino: dude am a Trinidadian you get... I can quote verses for you that Tells you Jesus is God... This one i gave you Phil shows Jesus was God before he became flesh... so How can marry be mother of God when the God was already God from the beginning John 1:1 and he created the world she is in.

Now you say:

benalvino: Jesus was man... Read phil 2:6... He drop is deity and took in the nature of Man... but you are blind... i explained to you up there... but the love for your prostitute aka carved marry is strong so you dont care and since you dont care why dont you take what you believe which are demonic and go?

This is the Question you cant answer... Was Jesus God before before marry was born?
If yes how can she be the mother of God that exist before her?

you and I know a mother is suppose to exist before her son... Marry is just a Channel which Jesus came to earth as a man to die for us... Roman catholic are the worst cult ever...

hahahaha, Simple question and NEPA took light. bla bla bla bla, please answer the simple question I have been asking since yesterday. Was Jesus God in the womb of Mary? In case you didn't notice, quite a number of people have been following this post. Which question did I not answer? I quoted bible passages for you showing my stand,which warranted the response you gave me in the earlier post, not true?

You have called Mary a prostitute, Called The Catholic Church a cult, and me...you even doubt if I pass my exams, all this Just to answer a simple question. Yet "by their fruit ye shall know them..." says the Lord. Please I beg you again be clear with your answer. Was Jesus God in the womb of Mary? it is a simple Yes or No

Boomark: that is it as it is. God turned his back on those that practice unrighteousness even when they had all the laws, ten commandments, the Ark etc.

If what is in the bible is not useful to a people, God will hand it over to those that will make use of it.

I picked one, no 9 which has bible quotes out of the ten so we can reason together, but the unteachable spirit made you to start singing love songs to me instead.

For now l have no interest in teaching/reasoning with the catholics. It is just a waste of time due to something the will of man cannot alter.

I have told you if you lit a lamp, let it shine. You picked number 9 and you said what? Why not say what you have against number nine. Hahaha, you never change.

peteregwu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG5-RSevDBI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

That is it above. Why do I have to lie, for what? To convince you? No! It is only God that can convert a soul.

If you don't believe in the bible, you will never believe the truth.

Everybody please go and watch this video. Please! It was brought to support a lie.I recommend it to refute same lie. watch this video please. In case you can't watch videos, The priest in question is Archbishop Fulton J Sheen. And a google search for his name will produce this in wikipedia

:
Evangelization

"Sheen was credited with helping convert a number of notable figures to the Catholic faith, including agnostic writer Heywood Broun, politician Clare Boothe Luce, automaker Henry Ford II, Communist writer Louis F. Budenz, theatrical designer Jo Mielziner, violinist and composer Fritz Kreisler, and actress Virginia Mayo. Each conversion process took an average of 25 hours of lessons, and reportedly more than 95% of his students in private instruction were baptized".

benalvino: You they pass for school at all?

Was Jesus God in the womb of Mary?

Debroslink: Jesus was and always be God even in her womb. So what's d big deal? Throughout the bible, Jesus called her "Woman". The problem with u Catholics is YOU WORSHIP A MORTAL BEING which is called IDOLATORY. There is no where in the scriptures where Mary was worshipped.

I have learned to sieve the wheat from the weed in your post. Now on the one in Bold, It means Mary carried Jesus(God) in her Womb for Nine months and gave birth to Jesus(God) in Bethlehem. True or False?

Never mind that it took you so long to come to this, yet you couldn't say it(an obvious truth), without raising another accusation, all the same we shall move gradually.

alexleo: Where did Jesus call her mother? Simple question he asked.

The one who gave birth to you is your Mother only because you call her "Mother" right? If you don't call her "Mother", she does not become your mother. Interesting! Mothers will be hailing your intelligence right now.

alexleo: Bros you don run enter inside trouble water o. The reply I gave you is based on the psalm 109 you quoted to support the devilish prayer that I mentioned in the OP. How come you are confusing it with your Mary talk? Come back home pls.

You said this:

alexleo: And you that knows Mary, why dont you kindly provide him with quotation he requested of. or are you defending what you are not sure of? bros.....no fall my hand o.

And I responded:

Syncan: Which quotation be that? I say again. Was Jesus God in the womb of Mary?

Now you say:

alexleo: Bros you don run enter inside trouble water o. The reply I gave you is based on the psalm 109 you quoted to support the devilish prayer that I mentioned in the OP. How come you are confusing it with your Mary talk? Come back home pls.

Please who brought Mary into our talk, myself or you? Now we see who is confusing things. Meanwhile the question is still here since yesterday Was Jesus God in the womb of Mary?

Debroslink: all these are TRASH because they didn't answer the 2 questions I posted.
Lemme repeat them for the last time:

I said show me in d bible where
1. Jesus called Mary "Mother"
2. Jesus was called "the son of Mary"
Answer ANY of these two questions or be silent on this matter forever.

I quoted the scriptures and you call them "TRASH".You should be ashamed of your self as christian and any one who regards you as one should really feel same. Oh, I forgot, your father in protest, Martin Luther, called the epistle of James, "epistle of trash(straw)",when it was used in refuting one of his heresies.Ok, the bible said "Mary the mother of Jesus" but did not say "Jesus the Son of Mary" isn't it? Keep posting, your high intellect is noted.
Look at you, you want to silence me on the truth.Do I even repeat my question to you again? Well just to be fair to all,Was Jesus God in the womb of Mary?

John2:1 "And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there

John19:25 "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother..."

John19:26 "When Jesus therefore saw his mother...

Acts1:14 "These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus..."

So numerous they are that I wonder how they escaped you.

Now, Was Jesus God in the womb of Mary?

alexleo: And you that knows Mary, why dont you kindly provide him with quotation he requested of. or are you defending what you are not sure of? bros.....no fall my hand o.

Which quotation be that? I say again. Was Jesus God in the womb of Mary?

alexleo: Ahhhhh i thought you were going to show me where i quoted what you accused me of. Has it suddenly disappeared or are you admitting that you lied against me?

Now to the question you asked. I ask, What is the purpose of ignoring the teachings of Christ about what we should do to our enemies and those who offended us to continue with what the law said about it in the old testament? Is the law more than Christ or are they still living in the old testament. If they are living in the old testament why are they praying in the name of Jesus? If you must pray in the name of Jesus then you must keep to the instructions of Jesus concerning the issue you are praying for. No wuruwuru in this thing. Its very plain and simple.

What quotation do you need? Did you not just confirm it again? You said the Holy Spirit teaches, Is it not to individuals, Privately? What exactly did i say you preach? Is it not private Interpretation? Do I copy and paste what is clear on this thread for you? Meanwhile I said, what makes you think it is the Holy spirit teaching you and not them?

benalvino: you can't seem to grasp anything... Jesus exist before Mary he created her he is eternal he is alpha and omega... And at the right time he became flesh he was God before the incarnation... So how can Mary be the mother of God?

Ok I start in another way The Son’s existence did not begin with His conception in Mary’s womb. He was alive in eternity (cf. Micah 5:2), and, at the right time in history, He became flesh (John 1:1,14). Paul put it this way: “But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law” (Galatians 4:4). On the other hand, Mary came into a time-bound world long after the creation of the Universe. She, like all human beings, was not eternal. She was not divine, not “from everlasting to everlasting” (Micah 5:2). She could not have provided an eternal nature to her Son. He is Deity. He is the “eternally blessed God” (Romans 9:5) how can U born a God that existed not only exist but created all things? Now U know why Jesus never even called her mother!!

in addition to my earlier reply... Consider how Jesus explained His divine nature. When addressing the Pharisees, He asked them: “‘What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?’ They said to Him, ‘The son of David.’ He said to them, ‘How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord’.... If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?’” (Matthew 22:42-45). The Pharisees failed to answer the question correctly because they were thinking about the physical nature of the Messiah. While Christ was a physical descendant of David (cf. Luke 1:32; Matthew 1:1), according to His divine nature He did not have a physical father, since He Himself is before all (John 8:58). In the same way that David could not be the father of the divine Messiah since he called Him “Lord,” Mary cannot be the “Mother of God” since she calls Him “Lord” in Luke 1:38,46-47. The truth is, as Paul explains, “according to the flesh, Christ came” through the patriarchs, David, and, yes, Mary, but according to His deity, He is the “eternally blessed God” who is over all (Romans 9:5).

you dont think you just follow men.

Nnaa Mehn! See handout for simple question. Was Jesus God in the womb of Mary?

Debroslink: and who the hell is Mary? Show me in the bible where Jesus called her "Mother"?

Now you do not know who she is? See why I asked for confirmation? Thought you knew. A simple question.

Was Jesus God in the Womb of Mary?

Debroslink: didn't u see my answer?

Please bro, do confirm it.Yes or No

benalvino: Read phil 2:6 again...
read till u understand

Only the truth shall set you free. Was Jesus God in the womb of Mary?