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bukatyne: Was the baptism of John of water or of the Spirit? What righteousness was he trying to fulfill?

shdemidemi: You must be a jokester...Listen and listen well, Mary has got nothing to do with the power of God unto salvation. SIMPLES

Even Jesus that walked on the face of the earth is not the same Christ we know now.

shdemidemi: You are not making sense atall, 'and the gate remained shut'. Did they programme you in a certain way in your church? No substance to back your father's doctrine. Anyways, the fact remains that Mary, Christ's brothers and sisters, the disciples have nothing to do with the gospel of God. They were all a means to an end, face the gospel and stop letting wicked men lead your soul astray.

honeric01: Hope u can comprehend?

shdemidemi: ^^^^Am I surprised at your response, absolutely not, You are only a victim of a religion. How does the words of the apostle that I paste relate with the account of Mark that you pasted. Why don't you address the verses I pasted instead of taking me to where your fathers have used to confuse you.

You quoted Ezekiel 44:2, how does this verse relate with Mary that found grace like you and I?

shdemidemi: •Acts 1:14 - "These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers."

•1 Cor. 9:4-5 - "Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?"

•Gal. 1:19 - But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lords brother."

What are you talking about?

Who lied to you that Ezekiel 44:2 was talking about Mary's womb?

benalvino: Lol where did the bible says he dwell in her womb. Ok let me just agree... So we can go on... When you say she is the mother of God it means she exist before God you gree... If yes then your statement is void. If no you statement is still void.

shdemidemi: The baby in the womb was 100% righteous, with no sin nature unlike the other kids the same Mary had for Joseph. Christ did not come to the world as a man, he came like a man, Mary being the vessel used by grace. Stop this nonsense mother of God doctrine because Christ did not come to the world to present Mary, He came to present a gospel of salvation. How he came to the world and the other things he did while on earth (outside the gospel) were merely for history purposes. (no spiritual connotation whatsoever)

alexleo: Exactly what am saying that it was purely a divine act from God. That does not make Mary mother of God. If in the whole of the scriptures the bible never called Mary the mother of God then you people have no right to do that. Leave the matter as divine as it is. If you want us to look at it from the natural angle that you people are viewing it then you must tell us who is the father of God. Mary carried Jesus in the womb by the divine act of God through the Holy Spirit> can the Holy Spirit be called the father of God, in line with your mother of God invention? Pls answer.

benalvino: So how is mary the mother of God with your answer... You acknowledge he exist and has always exist... So how can mary be mother of God.

benalvino: Was jesus God before he came to earth?

alexleo: My friend, the question you asked was irrelevant so no need bothering myself to answer it. For all i care, the bible never called Mary mother of God. The birth of Jesus through Mary was a divine plan and had a supernatural touch. Its not exactly the same way you and i were born so leave that story of mother of God. it doesnt hold water. Thanks.

benalvino: He forgot who also created Adam and the earth... Jesus has always exist so his argument is void

shdemidemi: I believe my mum must have had an intercourse with my dad to have another descendant of Adam like me. Mary's case was peculiar, Christ could have come through any virgin on earth. Mary did not do anything to deserve what happened, like I said earlier, she was only a vessel God used through grace.

I am not in any way quarrelling with scriptures, my question was if Mary was ever called the mother of God in the entire scriptures.

shdemidemi: ^^^^ My friend, it is not written that Mary is the mother of God in the scriptures. Your argument holds no water, God needed a vessel to come into the world, He chose a descendant of Adam through grace (unmerited favour). You are over emphasising a doctrine far from the doctrine and message of God to the church.

honeric01: He was baptised non the less because he was human just like everyone during that time!

bukatyne: Why did Jesus have to be baptized with the Holy Spirit before he started his public ministry?

linearity: "...The time has come for the Son of Man to enter into his glory, and God will be glorified because of him....John 13:31

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....the word become flesh and dwell among us. John 1.

"..And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross...Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name..that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.." Phil 2:8-11.

And to answer the other of your questions, God the Father was with him from birth to his death, just like he is with us as Christians directing and guiding us.

truthislight: Insult !

Where did i insult ?

Please, show me where ?

linearity: Now you are getting it.....and are asking the right questions...

The Jesus Christ that was in the worm of Mary was not God. He was fully flesh and blood just like myself and yourself. He was sent in that form to experience what we all feels and be in a better position to intercede on our behalf, having experience our infirmities as mere mortals.

The Jesus that walked on the face of the earth was not also God, He was man....the Bible said.."He became flesh and dwell among us...". The Jesus that walked on the face of the earth needed God the father's protection just like everyone of us.

That Jesus felt pain like man, he felt abandoned by God while on the cross ("Lord lord why have thy forsaken me" just like men feel at times in their difficult moments; he had need for clothing, shelter, protection and food just like men, he was tempted just like men, he was flogged and humiliated just like men...He avoided trouble by escaping those who want to stone him to death just like men...So he was fully man just like us.

Yes, he performed miracles...but those miracles do not mean that he was God...because he himself said..whatever I do ye shall do also...and greater miracles than these shall you do, because I go to my father.

Jesus the Man become Jesus the God again when he died on the Cross and rose from the death. The risen Christ is the God that created heaven and Earth, He is the "I am that I am"....He is the Beginning and the End.

Mary is not the Mother of the risen Christ that is God...she is the mother of the Man Christ that feels every infirmities of men like us...she is the Mother of the Christ Man that needs food, shelter, clothing, protection, pains, etc...God does not need food, shelter, clothing, protection or feel pains and James 1:13..says God cannot be tempted by evil.....but Jesus the Man, the Son of Mary was tempted just like any of us.....do you get the drift?

benalvino: you have not answered the question... how about i speak for all of them... can we go on... let me bombard you with questions.

truthislight: I see, it is your daughters that you gave the trinity that you opressed this much.

When frosbel comes along you become short of words and attack his person because you cant handled him and his arguments like you do your daughters.

Smh for RC

benalvino: Yes i am... So?

linearity: Abraham's bosom is not heaven...some call it paradise. Jesus said "..No one has gone to heaven except the Son of Man, who came from heaven." John 3:13.

Abraham's bosom, Paradise, Hell, Hell Fire, Heaven, Purgatory, New Heaven & the New Earth, New Jerusalem, etc are topics that we might not have time to get into here...note how I differentiate between 'Hell' and 'Hell Fire'; also Heaven and 'New Heaven & the New Earth"... because they are two different things and places.

Mary is not the mother of God...Jesus is both man and God...Mary is the mother of the man Jesus but she is not the mother of the God Jesus....and by the way...I am not insulting Mary no matter how you feel..I am just quoting scripture, remove the emotions and lets admonish each other with the scriptures...except you do not have any biblical backing.

benalvino: Is YHWH God? if Yes... mary is his mother and if you say you mean Jesus then you always mean the father is not God catholic church go kill me for laugh o.

benalvino: phil 2:5-7
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took on him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: …

the bold fonts answers his question.

alexleo: Where did the scripture call Mary mother of God? Take this simple message. Jesus the son of God became the son of man that we might become sons of God. If you can understand what i wrote here then you stop the mother of God trash. Thanks.

frosbel: Care to explain the bolded :

"You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy." - Hebrews 1:9