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obi123: syncan , may your way never be narrow

Thanks for the good intention behind your speech.

italo: You are aware that he backed up what he said with the Catechism of the Catholic Church, arent you?

Exactly. The church never teaches discrimination against them, She rather sees their taste as a grave disorder, yet She encourages them to seek the face of the lord, whose grace can make all things good. Yea its unfortunate when someone finds his or her sexual taste biased in that manner, the church sympathises with such a one, but calls him or her to a higher spiritual effort. The pope however, in line with the church, frowns at any propagation of a disorder as if it is right. This is what the lobbyists do.

italo: I have read about that place in a magazine published by Carmelite monks.

Hope to be there one day.

Verily, Verily I say unto you, it will be worth your while.

emal22: I know that redeem camp in lagos ibadan express road has paid accomodation for
people that want to stay and pray. I spoke to them on phone and i was told
they have a conference and so there will be no accomodation.
So can any one help me with another such camp in nigeria and the rates?
thanks

If you don't mind the east, the Monastery in awhum, Enugu state is a wonderful place. It has a "Calvary" mountain and a beautiful waterfall. The nigerian "saint" Iwene Tansi was there in his lifetime, he did encounter God there too. You can even get free accomodation or pay a little fee for feeding and room.

It sure feels like listening to PPs Benedict XVI and Francis at the same time.

^^^ 2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. KJV

You can thank me later.

Boomark: Thanks bro.

The truth is been revealed these last days. Let all weigh what they have been believing for soo long.

Hahaha, Which new truth have you revealed? that Abraham is the woman of Gen3:15? Or that the covenant was not with Abram but with Sarah? Your post at best serves as comic relief.

In Gen3:15, God was clear, "the woman" He said also "her seed". The particular woman even as a thought, a dream of God, has already entered into enemity with the devil. Such a woman can only be described as having the fullness of grace. Sarah was not, she laughed at the angel's prophesy, which was actually more than what caused Zechariah his speech. Even Abraham had to hide his intention on Isaac from her. Mary was called "Full of grace".

Even after sarah was long dead, the prophets continued to wait for the woman and her seed. See Is7:14

"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a
sign. Look, the young woman is with child
and shall bear a son, and shall name him
Immanuel". NRSV

Aha did he just identify the seed? And "the woman too? you didn't see that, did you?

Is there any need talking about Jesus himself, Who continued calling her "Woman" in order for you not to be in this folly? Yet you will not hear. You'll rather prefer to have a disrespectful Jesus as a model for your children.

What about Gal4:4, further identification of the seed and the woman.

Jesus is a seed of sarah just as absolom, ahab etc are as well. When we talk about Jesus and Mary, we talk of the woman and her only seed, who is God Is9:6.

Indeed false prophets and teachers shall arise in the last days.

Boomark: Thanks bro.

The truth is been revealed these last days. Let all weigh what they have been believing for soo long.

Hahaha, Which new truth have you revealed? that Abraham is the woman of Gen3:15? Or that the covenant was not with Abram but with Sarah? Your post at best serves as comic relief.

In Gen3:15, God was clear, "the woman" He said also "her seed". The particular woman even as a thought, a dream of God, has already entered into enemity with the devil. Such a woman can only be described as having the fullness of grace. Sarah was not, she laughed at the angel's prophesy, which was actually more than what caused Zechariah his speech. Even Abraham had to hide his intention on Isaac from her. Mary was called "Full of grace".

Even after sarah was long dead, the prophets continued to wait for the woman and her seed. See Is7:14

"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a
sign. Look, the young woman is with child
and shall bear a son, and shall name him
Immanuel". NRSV

Aha did he just identify the seed? And "the woman too? you didn't see that, did you?

Is there any need talking about Jesus himself, Who continued calling her "Woman" in order for you not to be in this folly? Yet you will not hear. You'll rather prefer to have a disrespectful Jesus as a model for your children.

What about Gal4:4, further identification of the seed and the woman.

Jesus is a seed of sarah just as absolom, ahab etc are as well. When we talk about Jesus and Mary, we talk of the woman and her only seed, who is God Is9:6.

nnatom: read it carefully again, luke1:43. Why am i so favoured dat d mother of my lord shld come to me.
Listen to dat, THE MOTHER OF MY LORD SHOULD COME TO ME.
If this doesn't sound clear to u, let me put on a clear note.

Is she nt highly blessed for her to be given dat great opportunity to carry and nurse our lord and saviour for d purpose of our redemption.

To crown it up, in luke1:48 she said and i quote, Henceforth, i.e from now on, all generations,including ours o,shall call me BLESSED.

My brother, let stop dis ranting and give her dat honour, she deserves it. Even God honoured her by giving her d opportunity to carry his only begotten Son.

My brother shey e easy? No, no be moi moi.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Boomark: See what? Syncan failed with his proves. Do you have any other one? What is written is very clear.

I decided to leave you with your conscience after saying that Jesus stay at the right hand of the father is temporary. Just as I left you with that terrible lie that a woman who laughed at Gods promise of a son, a woman who Abraham had to hide his intention on isaac from, etc, is your woman of Gen3:15. I state my points and discuss when people talk honestly. I have gone through pages with you in honest discussions, not when cheap lies come to play, just for the purpose of argument.

striktlymi: No need to go into any arguments here. Sacred scriptures has spoken for itself. Since you deny the words of Christ cocerning being born of water and the spirit, then there is absolutely no need for this conversation.

Enjoy and pretend I was never here.

Thank you dear one. I really missed a lot. Just read through the lot and saw how the truth was left while shadows are being chased. I am disappointed that Bidam should pretend that we are talking about john's baptism, when we actually started with Jesus words to nicodemus.

Clearly phillip baptized with water the ethiopian eunuch. It was clear paul baptized the guard and household in the presence of water (Act16:31-33), for his stripes were first washed before the guard was baptized. And they told me paul never baptized apart from the corinthians, when it is clear he baptized lydia and family in (Acts16:15-17). I guess that all that need to be said has been said.

shdemidemi: What on earth is this! Must you twist and use semantics to make a lie become true.

Why is it your duty to bias the mind of people against my post. Please which of the two passages I quoted did you call semantics? Or was it not "until" that was used in both passages?

Boomark: ^of course. See more proof here.

Matthew 1:25
New International Version (©2011)
But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

New Living Translation (©2007)
But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. AndJoseph named him Jesus.

English Standard Version (©2001)
but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.

You must not believe everything in the bible cos you were coached not to believe the truth.

What we are doing is for those that might not know before they enter. Those who are there already, man cannot help. I have proffered solution and a way out for them. Dissociate yourselves from all man made idols and God may be merciful.

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Do compare with this and see the use of until

Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, [b]until[b] I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Does it mean Jesus will cease to be at the Father's right hand after the enemies are made His footstool?


Also look at:

Genesis 8:7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, [b]until[b] the waters were dried up from off the earth.

The raven never came back, which led to the sending of the dove in verse 8.

peteregwu: HMMM...CALL ME WHATEVER U LIKE. NOW U SAID THE MOTHER OF JAMES AND JOSES IS THE WIFE OF CLEOPHAS. WHERE DID U GET THAT FROM...THE BIBLE NEVER SAID DAT. PLS SEARCH WELL AND STOP QUOTING TO SUIT YR MISCONSTRUED TEACHING. U ARE WRONG FRIEND. READ BELOW;


Mark 6:3 KJV
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

ANOTHER UNDENIABLE PROVE THAT JESUS HAD BROTHERS AND SISTERS. AND THAT MARY IS THEIR MOTHER AND NOT THE WIFE OF CLEOPHAS. NO ONE CAN CHANGE THE TRUTH, NOT EVEN SATAN.

It really does not matter what you choose to cling unto, wether a straw or cobweb. The truth is tha the bible made it clear that mary the mother of james and joses is "the other mary", as I have shown earlier. I do not know why we prefer ignorance to learning. Why do we behave as if english was the language of scripture. Even in aramaic spoken by most of the evangelists, (aha) is used for close relations. But my worry here is that all the evangelist call the blessed virgin mary " Mother of Jesus" each time they mentioned her, why do you think they will confuse the reader with mother of james and joses? They said following from afar, but we know that mary the mother of Jesus was there at the foot of the cross. Her relative mary wife of cleophas was mentioned by John, identifying that the children will be relatives of christ. (aha) in aramaic could be used for them. You may read again the opening line of jude's letter.

shdemidemi: Was Paul baptised by water?

How many churches did he baptise by water?

Baptism is imperative when you believe the gospel of Christ. The day you believe, what you are admitting is

I am a sinner with or without what I have personally done

I am put to death with Christ (baptism)

I resurrect with Christ

I have a new man (a soul)

I am torn between answering you or not, you are always too combatant in your approach, yet you my friend, I understand the least.

Bidam: If you had taken time to read my lengthy reply to italo, you would have seen where i said this:

Pardon my late responses, kind of handicapped at the moment to reply. 1cor1:14-17 as you quoted doesn't seem to down play baptism. I believe paul was cautioning the church in corinth against divisions. Verse 13 actualy shows its something important, for he reminds them of whose name they were batized in. Those names mentioned there are those he baptised in that corinth and not all that paul ever baptised as seen in scriptures. My take is that if baptism has been said to be of water and spirit by Christ and there are numerous evidence that the apostles and paul thought it so, Isn't it a cause for concern if some present day christians do not subscribe to it?

Bidam: Actually the baptism of the Holy Spirit is unique,in the sense that the bible records that why peter spoke,the Holy Ghost fell on the gentiles.Believers who are not baptized are still saved(am referring to water baptism) once they believe and accept the gospel of Christ with a right heart and a clear conscience NOT like simon the sorcerer.

This sounds to me like a refusal of my plea to look into the matter again. You only went further to emphasize your view. Ok then, could you kindly show were the scripture says, the water aspect is not neccesary.

shdemidemi: The man is right, stop confusing thyself bro.

It seems to me that you're trying very hard to fix yourself into anothers position. I am sure if prodded further, you will make them deny you instantly with your shaky submissions.

Bidam: Ok, the truth is believers will experience baptism one way or another in their christian walk but it is not necessary for salvation.It is just a seal of redemption.

Frankly speaking, I think you are struggling to defend your position. You may want to take another look at this. Its not like when you speak confidently elsewhere I know.

shdemidemi: James that wrote the book of James is Jesus' step brother, Stop defending what is not.

Please explain and support the above.

Bidam: Tell us the kind of baptisms found in scriptures.Then we will take it from there.

I see "Water and Holy Spirit" in the passages I mentioned.

peteregwu: I WAS CHATTING WITH A CATHOLIC MEMBER ON THE INTERNET ON GOOGLE +, HE CLAIMS TO BE FROM AUSTRALIA. HE TOLD ME THAT MARY WAS A VIRGIN EVEN AFTER SHE GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS.HE SAID MARY NEVER HAD ANY OTHER BABY. I QUOTED FEW PASSAGES IN THE BIBLE WHERE THE BROTHERS AND SITERS OF JESUS WAS MENTIONED PROVING THAT MARY HAD OTHER CHILDREN, Luke 24:10 KJV
"It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles."

Matthew 13:55 KJV
"Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?"

Matthew 27:56 KJV
"Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children."

Galatians 1:19 KJV
"But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother."

HE DISCARDED AND STILL CLAIM THAT MARY NEVER HAD OTHER CHILDREN THAT THEY ARE JUST BRETHREN. THIS IS JUST A BIG DECEPTION, IN OTHER FOR THEM TO POST MARY AS A KIND OF BEING THAT DESERVED TO BE WORSHIPED.PLEASE WHAT DO WE SAY TO THIS FALSE CLAIM NOW?

Error Again:

And you did not see this also abi

John 19:25 "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene".

The scripture never calls the mother of Jesus anything else, now you see another mary, whom you say is the mother of Jesus, again erroneously.

This was confirmed in

Matthew 28:1 "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre".

Did you see that? It said "the other mary".

Bidam: This is the story of a guy who didn't understand what he was reading and a Spirit-filled teacher who was led to teach him about Christ from the book of Isaiah. If you read that scripture properly you will notice it was the Ethiopian eunuch who made the request to be baptized(a form of a religious rite) signifying his belief in the gospel of Jesus as taught by Philip .The act itself signifies cleansing and incorporation into fellowship of believers but was never mandated by Philip neither was it a mandatory requirement for salvation.

So it was not mandated by philip, but he neither objected, nor told him its not neccesary, "this philip sef". Ok, take a look at acts16:15-17. Also vs 31-33. What do you have to say? While at it do also check pauls conversion and baptism acts9:18.

Bidam: Acts 2:38, "Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.‘"
You conveniently left out the repentant aspect in that scripture.And the baptism peter mentioned here was never water baptism because the preceding verse says "And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.‘" based on my understanding of what peter is saying here is that baptism is the manifestation of the repentance, that gift from God, that is the sign of the circumcised heart. That is why it says, "repent and be baptized."

John 3:5, "Jesus answered, ‘I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.'"I also do not agree Jesus meant water baptism here,what i think Jesus meant here was a regeneration of the spirit man just like the natural birth process of water coming out of the womb of a woman during child birth.Jesus said in verse three that Nicodemus needed to be born "again." This meant that he had been born once through his mother's womb. Nicodemus responds with a statement about how he cannot enter again into his mother's womb to be born. Then Jesus says that he must be born of water and the Spirit. Then in verse 6 He says that "flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." The context seems to be discussing the contrast between the natural and the spiritual birth. Water, therefore, could easily be interpreted there to mean the natural birth process.

Hmm, I am listening, do relate this with philip and the ethiopian eunoch. please.

benalvino: dude i am not God... you are making silly example or comparison... I did not exist as God before my mother gave birth to me... dont ask me silly question...
I ask you from the beginning Jesus was the word the word was God... was mary his mother from the beginning before he became flesh?... instead you asking me silly question... and nope you cant answer my question all you did was the father alone is God the son alone is God and the holy spirit alone is God... and i told you, you dont understand the trinity after that statement...

even so... there is one God... is the mary the mother of the 3 persons that is the One God... you will say no... then she is not the mother of God then. simple.

Sorry i will call spade a spade... and saying some thing is silly when it is really silly is not an insult.
again your question is silly...

Ok dear one, I think its best to stop here.

shdemidemi: As it degenerated to this?

Why?

benalvino: Was she present are the creation of her soul?
what kind of question is this?
you keep bringing stupid question when you cant answer one...

1. I answered your question, I said No. Pls did you not see it? if you did why did you accuse me wrongly?

2. You asked me if Jesus mother was His mother before Jesus came to earth? I asked you if your mother was present at the creation of your own soul, that is, was she your mother before you came to earth? Afterall, God knew you before you came to earth.

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

3. If you do not understand my question, kindly get clarification. Do not react on impulse, based on what another said maybe.

I respect your views and try to lay down mine as a better one, but you disrespect mine, calling it names such as trash, flip flop, stupid etc. This, my friend is not christlike.

benalvino: Of course he did... He raised the dead... He also gave his apostles authority to forgive sin... But the thing is he has to give up his divinity and rely on the holy spirit and his father... Even if you say he is God... Mary cannot be the mother of God when she is not God and even worste is she can't be the mother of God that already exist before her. That's what am saying. You too can't deny that... Ok question for U... Was she the mother of God before Jesus came to earth?

No she was not. But was your mother present at the creation of your soul?

benalvino: read that verse... it said he took the form of a man so he can die... so he was a man... else there is no way he will die...

Ok, I have always said that he was God who took man form without losing his Divinity. So he was God and man at the same time.


Now take a look at what happened between him and the lucky thief. Are you aware that what He did was to forgive that thief his sins, which as I have shown before, only God can do.

benalvino: Not a single words changed... I have been explaining phil 2:6-9 from the start and still doing it... my words are thesame... Jesus Took the form of a man just as the bible says so he can die for us... Nothing changed... well Jesus was God he changed his nature so he can die... my point from start to now.

I ask again, at the cross, while he was bleeding and in pain and about to die, What was he? man, God, or both.

Sirgen05: Pardon me to ignore ur initial questions for a reason to help me understand some basics about ur opinion on purgatory!
Pls help me with these basic questions!

1. Which class of Christians or sinners are qualified for purgatory?

2. For how long is one expected to be in purgatory?

3. What are those things one does in purgatory to ensure his remaining sins are cleansed? Or is it d relation on earth that will pray him out while he does nothing in Purgatory?

4. Can some1 still go to hell even after been to purgatory? That is; is every1 that goes to purgatory always washed of all his sins to go to heaven?

5. Is purgatory equivalent to Judgement? Or At what point is purgatory? b4 or after judgement?

If u can back ur answers with biblical, quotations that will be fine!
Thanks.

1. Christians who died while still having in them, sins that do not lead to death (1jn5:17).

2. Until one is completely purged/purified as by fire, (1cor3:15).

3. They suffer,make atonement until the last debt is paid (Matt5:26). Penalty depends on the Judge God, just as in the case of hell.

4. Every soul with a sin that leads to death shall be destroyed(hell). Those who go there are to be saved, yet so as by fire. They are hitherto just souls, but need to be made perfect(Heb12:23). We are often with imperfections even as good christians. But nothing unclean will enter heaven(Rev21:27).

5. After judgement (1cor3:13). Note that the two final destinations remain heaven and hell. Those who pass through purgation/purification are already heaven bound.

God bless you.

benalvino: have i insulted you?
and i can see you comprehend non of my post

I have not said so. If you look back at your chat with Italo, you may wish to have changed some words.

All the same, I have been honest in my posts to you. I do not tell you what I thought ouy yestetday, I tell you what the church has taught for ages, that's why I said to read up on it. But to help me understand you, just give me an honest answer to the question above.