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benalvino: [size=28pt]Even if You and sycan make total crap out of una selves... Una win so that una go rest continue una idolatry... Mary naim create una god... My God is different [/size]

Dear benalvino, I believe I have treated you kindly in my words so far, you may consider doing same when you refer to me. Not for my sake though but for yours.

Consider Jesus on the cross bleeding, in pain, you claim He was just man there?

Boomark: Abraham's seed. Sarah is his wife. They are husband and wife. Sarah is the woman.

Those who think otherwise should prove it otherwise from the scripture. Waiting...

Hahaha, Bookmark! Only the truth shall set you free. I shall wait for my friend shdemidemi to help you out on this. Lol.

Boomark: Something that is not real. Shadow of something: something that is not the real thing.

I hope you will not sing love songs to me like syncan as we proceed?

"All scripture", even the love song of God, the songs of song is profitable for me. Well, I guess its not same for you. Sorry then, I love every thing about my beloved, I am not ashamed that He condescended to dwell in a mere "Woman", hence, making her, His mother. Nor do I deny that my God took a form that I can see, touch, draw and paint.

shdemidemi: Your opinion..

You do not know what the gospel to the church is, yet you are desiring the office of a teacher whom I can learn from. Your postulated beliefs can not do it, it can only be done by the power of God through the gospel of Jesus which of course you have failed to come to terms with,

Why are you confusing me na, dear shdemidemi, I thought you said its Pauls gospel (as I am a gentile), why is it Jesus own now, am I now a jew?

shdemidemi: What is actually there to be gained my friend? tell me in few words, if you can.

Exactly my point "good teacher", you already know them all.

esmeralda1: @ syncan, i,ve been tryin to quote ur post but i dont understand y its not going. Pride? what pride, wot am i proud about, Pride is far from it dear, i was not even talkin to frosbel about that. i said WE, even me needs the Holy Spirit for interpretation of the Bible n many other things in my life.
Mr syncan ur words sound of anger or hatred pls wen next u want to reply any post clear ur mind and talk with grace.

Hahaha, anger or hatred for syncan? that's a new one. Did you take a look at your words addressed to frosbel? Did you even try to dispute his claim? Nor chukwudi's. You simply expressed disappointment, hence he is not being led by the Holy spirit in your view( concluded). My words are an admonision to you, to make your contribution for the edification of all, and not to term people those needing evangelization. I have many posts on this forum, they may help you know my mien.

That said, if you still feel offended, then I am sorry, it wasn't intended.

esmeralda1: @ syncan, i,ve been tryin to quote ur post but i dont understand y its not going. Pride? what pride, wot am i proud about, Pride is far from it dear, i was not even talkin to frosbel about that. i said WE, even me needs the Holy Spirit for interpretation of the Bible n many other things in my life.
Mr syncan ur words sound of anger or hatred pls wen next u want to reply any post clear ur mind and talk with grace.

Hahaha, anger or hatred for syncan? that's a new one. Did you take a look at your words addressed to frosbel? Did you even try to dispute his claim? You simply expressed disappointment, hence he is not being led by the Holy spirit in your view( concluded). My words are an admonision to you, to make your contribution for the edification of all, and not to term people those needing evangelization. I have many posts on this forum, they may help you know my mien.

That said, if you still feel offended, then I am sorry, it wasn't intended.

esmeralda1: @frosbel i read some of ur comments on another thread n i tot this must be a good Bible scholar n a Child of God but wen i read ur above stmt infact i couldnt help laughing that its not only the catholics that needs prayers even u a jehovah witness does, then i find myself wishin u were not one, i pray im wrong about u beign an ajeri.

Mr chukwudi44, i read sm of ur comments as well in a thread n d ones here it is well with u, you make me see that christains still need to do alot of prayer n evangelism,it is well.

@op,where mr chukwudi posted 1peter3:19-21 does NOT imply pugnatory o pls be not deceived there is nothing of sort, that place, implied to what Jesus did when He died n went to Hell to collect the keys of hades n grave from d devil, He did once n for all not again o pls be careful hw u quote n interprete d Bible.

Moreover, who even says we can understand the word of God without the Holyspirit, the nexttime u want to read ur Bible pls pray for the Holyspirit to interprete it to you.
God bless you

Why do you think frosbel did not ask for the Holy Spirit's guidance? What made your own "holy spirit" better than his own and numerous others in interpretation of scriptures? So if his interpretation goes against yours, then the Holy Spirit is not leading him abi? You guys are just too puffed up in pride.

shdemidemi: By?

Imagine you, why am I not surprised that you've gained nothing in this religious section, oh, I forgot, you are the "good teacher". Only the truth shall set you free!

dokie: Syncan, i am encouraged.

To God be the glory! I am encouraged too.

bukatyne: I should actually tell you that.

Imagine yourself, Mary the mother of God! So your God has a mother? And He created man (male and female) in His image? Bia, where was Mary during the creation? Breatfeeding Jesus abi?

You guys are impossible.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Who breastfed that mighty God? You may insult her all you want, I guess its your way of calling her blessed.

bukatyne: Oh, really? While you asking Him, find out His stand on Mary worship/intercession

If you've got nothing intelligent to say, it is a virtue to keep quiet and "ponder it all in" your heart. Mary the mother of, Jesus who is God, did that, it was examplary.

Sirgen05: Thanks. Here is d answer.

To understand d bible verse very well u look at d preceding and following verses. You look at d context. You think of who's writing and to who! Etc. These are very important. Remove these and u'll lose d meaning. Here Paul was writing 2 Corinthians believers.

From verse 1, There ar two sets of born again believers who render service to God.
Carnal & spiritual believers.

Paul called them brethren vs 1 but yet carnal vs 3, evidenced by carnal tendencies such as envy, strife, party spirit vs 3, incest chapter 5; lawsuits chapter 6.

Now Paul is telling them that when true children of God like them commit the above sins or any other and without confessing it render service in God's house, that such services will be counted as hay, straws, woods which can easily be burnt. However, d person will be ultimately saved if he later on confesses d sins, but wont be rewarded for any services rendered with such evil heart. But those who rendered out of Clean hearts will be like Gold and silver, which are not destroyed by fire.

The setting here is the reward of saints in Bema seat of Christ. The 'fire' used here is an allegory signifying judgement of believers' works.

'for we must all appear b4 d judgement seat of Christ that each one may receive the things done in THE BODY, according to what he has done, WHETHER GOOD OR BAD' 2Cor 5:10.



I hope these have helped u to understand the verse u quoted. Thanks.

1. You talk about repentance, yet you say the fire is an allegory, signifying judgement. How come someone is to repent and be saved after judgement?

2. verse 13 is clear that St. Paul was talking about "the day", not just any day of repentance and forgiveness, which can occur many times in a man's life. For God is ready to forgive you as many times as you ask for it while you are on earth. See Hosea.

3. "If any man's work burn...". How could you not see the finality in this. It is a judgement of all your works, this cannot be done if the man is still in this mortal body. So, if it is at death, how come you will still repent to be saved. Is there repentance after death?

4. Does verse 15 and 17 not make you remember 1john5:16 and 17, about sin that leads to death and the one that does not. Here in 15, he talked about one whose work burn but saved as by fire( sin that does not lead to death), and in verse 17 he talked about those God will destroy ( sin that lead to death). Note that in 14, he had already talked about getting reward if work does not burn( heaven).

5. one can believe vs 15 to mean that, there will be after judgement, forgiveness for some people ( with sin that lead not unto death), for Jesus talked about forgiveness of sin in the world to come also (Matt 12:32), yet these will be saved so as by fire (1cor3:15).

The question now is, in what condition will the soul be, that is not to be destroyed nor fit to receive reward, but need to get saved as by fire? "Nothing unclean shall enter... " (Rev21:27).

Debroslink: was he not? When He walked on water, was He not God? Who else can walk on water? Not even angels.

Now my friend, you are most correct. He was God. Remember that same person was given birth to by Mary. If he was God then, and mary His mother, why do you quarrel with me when I call her "mother of God"? You can see where I'm coming from.

benalvino: oh boy... Lol your understand is the issue... In the beginning was the word and the word was with the God and the word was God... You can't say God was with him self right ? Jesus was with the father in the beginning...

and when he was with the apostles, was he God?

benalvino: Nope... the word is Jesus...

But you said, the word is God.

How can it be God without the father? (according to you)

benalvino: please make your point... we know the Word became flesh... and the bible says the word was God

Is the word, the Father?

italo: It is what scripture says. You dont believe in scripture anymore?

My brother, as if it wasn't scripture I quoted all through. But I like the guy shaa, I know he will revisit all these.

@ benalvino. While you are at it let me use scripture to show you that they are all still present in the same Jesus.


Isaiah9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Here the prophet calls the baby Jesus "father".


Matt3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"

Here the evangelist shows Jesus as "Son"


1cor15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit"

Here the epistle writer refers to Jesus as "Spirit"



What about Jesus Himself,what did He do:

1. He forgave sins - (LK5:20)"And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee".

2. He pleaded with the father- (LK23:34) "Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do"

3. He breathed the Holy Spirit on the apostles- (John20:22) "And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

benalvino: they thats 3 God...
you really confused man...
even if i assume that what you are saying makes sense... then she is the mother of God which is the son alone... then you will bring the idea that there is only one God... so how can you exclude the father and holy spirit?

Read about the Trinity and then lets continue. I can see you believe in what you don't know.

So the Father alone is not God?

benalvino: Again you didnt answer.. you agree God is the father, son and holy spirit... you also agree there is Only one God... if mary gave birth to God... it means she is the mother of the Father, Son and holy spirit... you still cant answer this...



the quote doesn't address the situation... this is a question you cant answer...

No No No, Please do not get me wrong. I do not know what your Idea of trinity is. What you are telling me is that the Father alone is not God, nor the son alone God, nor the Holy Spirit alone God. Except when it is the father, son and Holy spirit together that you say God.


No NO No. What I am telling you is that The Father alone is God. The son alone is God. The Holy Spirit alone is God. Yet There is One God.

benalvino: In curiousity yes

Ok then. That's your answer.

Now mine. In line with the above:

If I see the Son,I have seen God

Mary bore the son,She bored God.

^^^ Just answer yes or no to the post above and I promise to answer you Immediately.

benalvino: see the bold from you... it shows there is one God and you saying father son and holy spirit is the one God... so if mary is the mother of God it means she is the mother of the father son and holy spirit...

So answer the question...
Is mary the mother of God which is the father son and holy spirit.... remember that there is only one God

You really need to study what the trinity is. In case you don't know, it says that.

If I hear the father, I have heard God
If I see the son, I have seen God
If I feel the Holy Spirit, I have felt God

Do you agree?

benalvino: If he did not Change nature then he cant die dont you see that is why he took human nature...
you are trying to change the meaning... But you didnt answer the Question... You said God is one... so mary is the mother of God the father, son and holy spirit? you will say no... then you believe Jesus and the father are 2 different God? you will say no... so what are you saying? Is this not confusion? You cant answer this question and i have been asking you for long now

I thought you said you believe in the trinity. God the father, God the son, and God the Holy Spirit, yet One God. Three persons in one God. Did Christ not say "I and the father are one". Did Isaiah not call the son of mary, Mighty God? What else did Isaiah call Him? check for yourself. If you can explain the trinity, your answer lies therein.

benalvino: God made her his mother? are you talking from your ass?

if jesus did not drop it... then he cant die.
phil 2:5-8
In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6
Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

While he is human... he rely in the holy spirit and his father... So God was inside him...
your problem is what you are teaching is not in the bible but you are following the ways of men...
Jesus bleed... died because he dropped his deity and rely on his father.

So you know Jesus is the one God with the father and Holy spirit... So if God is one that means mary is the mother of the father... If you don't agree with this then you believe in multiple God.

From your quote above:

He was God by nature... (6), Here it shows you clearly that Jesus is God.
then He took Human nature...(7), Here it tells you that He took human nature (did not say he dropped God nature).
being found in appearance as man ( 8 ) Here it tells you that though He is God came to us in the form of Man
He humbled himself, becoming obedient to death ( 8 ) Here it confirms to you that He humbled Himself, if He were just a man as you proposed, would it be considered humility to do God's will.

LK5:20"And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.

LK5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

Did you see what happened in this passage? Is it a mere man that can do that or God in "appearance as man"?


For your analysis and question, I can only quote scriptures for you:

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

benalvino: So how is she the mother of God?
is it logical to say she is the mother of someone that created her? you guys like talking with logic so let us reason with logic..
Can we say Jesus supernatural being dropped his supernatural nature and took up nature that is like me and you so mary could bring him to the earth to die for us... We can Agree while she brought Jesus into this world... she cant be mother of God except she is God her self...

Is there 3 gods?

She is the mother of God; because God made her His Mother.

No we can't say Jesus "dropped" His Divine nature to take up human nature like me and you. But we can say that Jesus being Divine, took up human nature as well(the word was made flesh), in the womb of the blessed virgin. For at no point, even in His incarnation, did He lose His Divinity.

I do not know about gods.

bukatyne: You did not answer my question

Because it wasn't meant for me. Take it out with Jesus.

benalvino: Is Mary God?

No my dear friend, She is not.

alexleo: There is no long talk in this thing bros. I want bible and not all these talk talk. I know that the bible mentioned- children of God, sons of God and Son of God but i ve never seen where the bible mentioned MOTHER OF GOD. Show me where it is mentioned in the scriptutre if you have any to show. And also show me where it mentioned father of God too. Or is the god you are talking about a bastard? who has mother and no father?
I dont need human explanations please. Just show me in the bible where the statement is made. thanks.

If you show me where "Bible" was written, Pronto I will show you what you request. I implore you Alexleo, let the truth set you free. Earlier it was the disrespectful debroslink shouting show me "Son of Mary". I have shown you "Son of Mary" (Mk6:3), I have shown you the the child is "mighty God"(Isaiah9:6)and the Mother is "Mary" (Mk6:3). What else do you need? Ok, since you want to fool around, give me the answer to what I asked, I will give you again, what you request.

There is a school rhyme that goes like this:

Say the truth, say the truth
I will always say the truth

To my Daddy, to my Mummy
I will always say the truth.

To my auntie to my uncle
I will always say the truth

To my brother to my sister
I will always say the truth.
etc.

Only the truth shall set you free.

^^^Na today? As usual, NEPA don take light for im side.

italo: But you are the one distorting scriptures.

Look at what you said:


But scripture says in Hebrews 13:8:

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAME YESTERDAY AND TODAY AND FOREVER!

Can a true Child of God say amen?

Amen!