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Afam4eva: This captures the hypocrisy that is ACN/APC. Isn't it funny that the same party they deride is the same party that they keep choosing their presidential candidates from. When this people are in PDP, they are evil but when they move to ACN/APC, they're progressives.

Aside Atiku, was Ribadu a card carrying member of the PDP? Working for a government does not necessarily mean you belong to the ruling party. Ngozi worked for OBJ and now GEJ, and she is not a PDP card carrying member.

*GEJ- BH are in my government
*GEJ- Boko Haram are ghosts
*FG proscribed BH and its "Activities" as illegal n act of terrorism
*FG reaches an understanding with BH(ghosts) after agreeing to a cease fire.
*Minister of the Federal Republic defends BH!

Verdict- Government Magic! "The magic white washes(cover up the errors) of government's violence against its own citizens"

thelastPope: What you have said is what is called beautiful nonsense! A bogus claim at best. Dangerous, biased and open ended assertions at worst! every human being has an agenda, including you posting on this thread. It isnt in your forte to read minds and extract their agendas except you are a mutant! Please stay on facts, not conjectures, rumours and insinuations! Thank you!

Bruv, nothing you type will avail. Okupe's response says it all, but only the intelligent and unbiased ones can discern!

eGuerrilla: I am still waiting for someone - anyone - to convince me about the merits of cash-n-carry primaries.



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Bruv, You are not the only one waiting! We need to know the merits of perpetuating heinous economic crime(oil subsidy fraud) of satanic grandeur just because a party wants to conduct a sham cash- and-carry primaries?

thelastPope: It bothers me that you cannot find a clear proof that GEJ is after Amaechi but have to try and squeeze out something from "in between the lines" of an okupe interview to push your point. Your extractions prove nothing.

A trivial way to respond, and a response lacking in substance. Is Okupe no longer a media aide to the president? The reply he gave when asked the same question suggests that the president has an agenda, and that he is ready to quash and crush anyone that proves a stumbling block? While trying to demonstrate your arrogance and know-all attitude, clarify what Okupe meant by "achieving set goals and collateral damages".

Gbawe: I really don't have time for ignoramuses like you. You have only confirmed , with the ignorant crap above, you are another mischief-maker who comes here everyday with the same set of prejudices yet very little definitive knowledge.

Go back to school to learn that conducting Primaries is not legally binding on stakeholders within a party who retain the discretion to deploy any method they deem best to appoint candidates for positions. Olodo.

Some of you, frankly, should not be here. from your glaring and sometimes shocking 'deficits' you should be busy with efforts at improving yourselves educationally instead of coming here daily to disturb others with your incredibly ignorant rants.

I am waiting for one of them to point at a section in the Electoral Acts that says candidates must emerge through primaries? Is it not absurd that the party(PDP) that claims to conduct (sham)primaries end up facing several litigation cases from aggrieved aspirants, and same cannot be said of the party(ACN) that select candidates. If primaries is all about using public funds, bribing members with thousands of dollars to vote for a particular aspirant, absence of congress and imposition of candidates from ward level to the National level to vote at convention or primaries, then it is not worth it.

thelastpope0: Baffled at what exactly? That question should be thrown at Amaechi because GEJ has never involved himself in the banter, Not once?

"Why does the president percieve Amaechi to be a
stumbling block ahead of 2015?

Okupe- "Governor Amaechi cannot be a stumbling block to Mr President's aspiration."



So why is he moving against him?

Okupe- "He is not moving against him. There are two things. If I want to achieve an objective and in achieving that objective, it will affect you, my primary purpose is not that it will affect you, my primary purpose is to achieve the set goal that is before me. SO IF THERE ARE COLLATERAL DAMAGES, THERE ARE COLLATERAL DAMAGES."

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/04/jonathan-is-playing-politics-with-amaechi-okupe/

Kindly explain to us the objective the president wants to achieve? And how Amaechi has became an impediment to achieving the set goal? Should we assume the recent happenings in Rivers are Collateral Damages?

dayokanu: Waiting for a coherent and sensible response.

Some wuld say he disrespected Jonathan. Yet cant state how he did

I am as baffled as you are!

I do not know why some people are bent on wasting their time debating one whose posts always reek of idiocy and irrationality. A perpetual critic, merchant of doom and beer parlor analyst who have all the solutions to the problems bedeviling the country!

Bola Tinubu Speaks On The Purported Removal Of Opeyemi Bamidele As Leader Of Ekiti State Caucus In The House Of Reps.

It has been reported that members of the Ekiti State Caucus in the House of Representatives suspended Hon. Michael Opeyemi Bamidele, as their leader because of his alleged declaration to contest the governorship election next year.  I have not seen an official word through the party machinery about this action. However, I feel compelled to speak to dispel rumor and false report from assuming the aspect of fact.

The news of the purported removal of  Opeyemi Bamidele came as a surprise. The decision of the members of the Ekiti House Caucus in this regard truncates ongoing efforts at reconciliation, notwithstanding the fact that the party leadership is working hard to reconcile all sides. What took some members of the leadership of the party to Ekiti State recently was a continuation of the process of appeal and reconciliation. The objective here is to first understand and iron out the issues that have resorted in a gulf between Opeyemi Bamidele and Governor Kayode Fayemi on one hand and the party towards building a formidable political house in Ekiti.



From my vantage point, I don’t believe the members of the Ekiti caucus could possibly take such a step for such a scant reason.  I trust their democratic pedigree to highly believe that they would not be used to take this false step which would violate established party rules, processes and traditions.

For instance, decisions of this critical nature must be done with the consultation of the national leadership of the party.  From what I can gather, our National Chairman and the party’s leadership were never consulted nor notified about the pendency of such a stark action.  For that reason alone, if such an action has been taken, those who did so should retrace their steps to avoid creating an unnecessary difficulty for themselves and the Ekiti chapter of the party.

Beyond the issue of procedure and rules, there is the tiny matter of internal party democracy to consider. I  have said before, any party member has a right to contest the governorship of Ekiti  or any other state. Any other person, including Opeyemi Bamidele, has the right to. This right is so fundamental to internal democracy that I do not believe he should be sanctioned at this point where the most he has done is make unofficial statements about contesting. Our party cannot join the club of other parties that punish members for expressing interests in an office.

While Opeyemi Bamidele’s position may not be popular among his colleagues, he has the right to believe as he does. We must protect and smother unpopular and minority positions. If we don’t like it, we vote against it at the appropriate time but we do not punish people simply for thinking differently, this is how we must grow our democracy.

Thus, Opeyemi Bamidele was expressing his democratic rights. To unilaterally suspend him as leader of the House Caucus is a questionable one they should reconsider.  It would appear to contravene the letter and best spirit of party democracy. While we have no problem in him pursuing his democratic ambition without intimidation and persecution, we will continue our efforts at persuading him not to rock the boat and play into the hands of our opponent particularly the PDP shenanigans. Political conflict, challenges and resolutions are the hallmarks of political association and leadership; orderly means of all efforts at democratically resolving those conflicts are not endless in any way.

Accordingly, I urge our five lawmakers; Robison Ajiboye, Bamidele Faparusi, Bimbo Daramola, Dr. Ifeoluwa Arowosoge, and Oyetunde Ojo to  reverse themselves and embrace the process of amicable resolution already put in place by the party and that have been producing good fruit. To do otherwise is to give comfort to those who would seek to divide the Ekiti State chapter of the Action Congress of Nigeria. We appeal to those promoting these divisions to sheathe their swords in the interest of the party and its ardent followers. We cannot forget so soon the struggle and what it cost us to get to where we are today. We owe it to the Ekiti people and all democrats in the country to sustain and protect this hard won democracy. All true progressives must rise up in defence of individual freedom and promotion of democratic values. We shall overcome for the good of all. Thank You.

Signed- Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu

http://abusidiqu.com/?p=15234&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=bola-tinubu-speaks-on-the-purported-removal-of-opeyemi-bamidele-as-leader-of-ekiti-state-caucus-in-the-house-of-reps&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Don't wanna be a spectocrat, so count me in! Not that I am swayed by the advances of the APC leaders, but we cannot abandon the fate of Nigeria to charlatans while praying endlessly for an elusive deliverer in the mold of Moses to deliver us from Pharaoh(PDP) and take us to the promised land. I am ready to support any party but PDP!

Good

thelastPope: Shut your mouth my friend! Where in the report or videos did you see Jonathan? Or did you see him in your dreams?

Why is it that you cannot comment without demonstration of arrogance and moral laxity? Try to watch your vitriol, you are close to becoming a nuisance!

anonimi: Thanks for providing the source and a bigger excerpt of Jonathan's CAMPAIGN speech in Ibadan.
Nevertheless, don't you agree that PDP can reform as a group and as individuals given that Alhaji Bola Ahmed Tinubu is supposed to have reformed from being a drug money launderer whose bank balance was seized by a US court to the national leader of Nigeria's progressive opposition

Tinubu is nowhere near a saint, but i find this very trivial and of no substance! Proof please, and not some concocted allegations and fireworks aimed at bringing him down!

Don't you also agree that ACN can reform as a group and as individuals, given that Chief Bode George, an ex-convict and Gbenga Daniel, currently facing trial on charges of corruption, stealing and conversion of public property are Jonathan's henchmen in the South-West, and a Seasoned Thief as the Chairman BOT of the "biggest party in Africa"?

anonimi: Why are you imputing to Jonathan's speech what he did not say?
Where did he say say to be handled by PDP leaders
BTW, any special reason why you left out Ondo state's Olusegun Mimiko?

Na wa for you o!

“We (PDP) must take over all the states in the
South-West. The zone is too important to be left in the hands of rascals. We shall take over Lagos, Ekiti, Osun and Ondo states... South-West is the most important zone where all Nigerians come. It is a mini Nigeria and it is very unique.... It is true that we have challenges in the zone, but we are on top of them all. We shall resolve our differences in our way." - Goodluck Jonathan at the famous Mapo Hill in Ibadan!


http://www.tribune.com.ng/index.php/front-page-news/17333-well-save-swest-from-rascals-jonathan-jonathan-ordained-to-lead-olubadan-why-i-didnt-attend-rally-daniel

anonimi: It seems Oga Femo agrees with GEJ that our region is TOO IMPORTANT to be left in the hands of RASCALS who pretend to be progressives by wearing Awo cap & glass!!!

https://www.emn-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tinubu5.jpg

True, Yoruba needs selfless leaders in the likes of Akala, Bode George, Daniel, Omisore, Oyinlola and Agagu to liberate us . Some of these Jonathan's men also claim to be adherents of Awolowo's ideals while they relentlessly pummeled their people, humiliated and debased them. Thankfully, all these names have been consigned to the dustbin of history !

Can 5 members form a quorum?

Where is @Lastpope?

Money is not everything!

The claim of marginalisation as in the most cases of marginalisation pushed and politicized by the political elites, is at its heart very self-serving. We only hear of marginalisation when regional champions/elite are excluded from access to the spoils of the Federal center. The real marginalisation is of the under-privileged non-elites whose dreams are killed, and resources plundered by the ruling elite. This category of people abound in all the regions!

solomon111: That's equally wrong.
APC/ACN prides themselves as "progressives", why should they now copy an unprogressive,undemocratic system.?

Not until the money-bags stop funding political parties!

thelastPope: Stop this gutter talk my friend. How can you who claim you are an intellectual be saying this nonsense in 2013? Whether his choice is the next pope is irrelevant. One man cannot be choosing candidates for millionsof people. What kind of backward thinking is that? You guys are a bunch of illiterates, honestly. Imagine people who claim to have attended school saying that one dictator should choose their leaders for them in a democracy. Such shameless statements coming from you lot. You all are hypocrites! Stop this your "his choice is better than GEJ" nonsense! Why do you always have to mention GEJ's name anytime your god, Tinubu is dragged on the floor? Is that your best line of defence for your god? Hypocrites!

Why are you so upset and why the double standard? You were comfortable with Jonathan handpicking a man for millions of Bayelsans and imposing Tukur on the PDP. Oh, its permissible when it comes to PDP but not to the opposition. If you want to condemn imposition, let it be a general condemnation and kindly watch your vitriol!

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Nwokem, imposition is imposition no matter how you spin it! I suppose Bayelsans were better off with Sylva......the saint and proven technocrat![/quote]I am not disputing that, Imposition is imposition and I agree that Dictatorship and imposition of undemocratic ideals are threat to our democracy. But there is a huge difference between imposing a competent candidate(Fashola) as against imposing a charlatan(Dickson).lol!

Bayelsans are smug and content with moronarchy misgovernment system!

Tinubu is a man with many flaws but we can't compare his choice of candidates with a Goodluck Jonathan who imposed his puppet Dickson(a charlatan and fraud) on Bayelsa or OBJ imposing the likes of Akala and co! He has an eye for erudite minds, accomplished technocrats and professionals!

Laws are never passed by emotions. The proposed removal of immunity clause which is geared towards checking executive lawlessness, promote responsive and responsible leadership will most likely not serve its intent and purpose in Nigeria for the following reasons:

1. Removal of immunity clause will expose the President and Governors to civil and criminal prosecution, and would impermissibly interfere with their capacity and ability to perform their constitutionally assigned functions. We cannot afford to have them distracted and their energies diverted by concern with lawsuits.

2. It will give room for those who lost at the ballot box and the pull-him-down agents to push forward fictitious petitions and open floodgate of litigation aimed at harassing and embarrassing elected public office holders.

3. If the immunity clause is removed and they are charged for criminal personal liability, they will use public funds to buy legal services. With the funds at their disposal, they can frustrate and even evade justice.

4. Removal of the immunity clause does not mean that once they are charged to court they'll immediately be impeached. A criminal trial in court can take several months or years to conclude and the accused has the right of appeal. In this way, a President or a Governor may complete his term before he is finally convicted.

5. They appointed some of the judges that will try their case(s), and the President appoints the IGP or EFCC boss that may want to prosecute him. I do not see how such a case or cases can be concluded without prejudice and bias.

6. We already have an impeachment clause in the constitution. A president or a governor can be swiftly removed from office for gross misconduct which includes the commission of a crime. Category of impeachment is not limited to abuses of official power. Impeachment process is better suited to the task because it is fast and efficient. It is faster than a criminal trial and there is no appeal from the verdict of the assembly except if removed unconstitutionally. Once the executive is removed, he can then be prosecuted and his removal will facilitate effective political administration of the state and place the political system on a healthy course. Surely, the arguments for the removal of immunity clause has already been trumped by the impeachment clause.

7. How many of the former governors who have lost their immunity have we been able to prosecute and convict years after leaving office?

Instead of removing immunity, we should be clamoring for real separation of powers between the three tiers of government. Separation of powers is not absolute; it is instead qualified by the doctrine of checks and balances. Legislative docility, a dependent judiciary and toothless anti graft agencies are the real problems. These institutions need to run effectively before we can totally check the excesses of the executive. We can also allow them to complete their term in office before making them account for their errors of omission or commission. To wound them by a criminal proceeding while in office is to hamstring the operation of the whole government apparatus.

HNosegbe: The immunity clause should be removed for criminal cases only (like corruption-related charges). It should however be retained for civil cases.

It's not in the interest of the country for governors and presidents to have to spend public funds (as they undoubtedly will) hiring the best lawyers to defend them from all sorts of flimsy charges.

If corruption is the problem, then immunity should be removed for corruption cases only.

If we agree that the immunity clause be modified so that political office holders are not immune from criminal process or indictment in office, at what point will the executive be impeached? Is it while the criminal proceedings are going on against him or after his trial and conviction?

Obviously, it cannot be during the pendency of criminal proceedings because an accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty. An impeachment cannot proceed until the court holds the person criminally liable. A criminal trial in court can take years to conclude and the accused has a right to appeal. In this way, a president or governor may complete his term before he is finally convicted. So if we cannot use the impeachment clause which in itself trumps all the argument for removal of immunity clause, why not wait till they are out of office before initiating any criminal process against them?

My argument is, removal(partial or total) of immunity clause will interfere with the discharge of their duties and we cannot afford to have them distracted or their energies diverted by concern with lawsuits especially with fictitious petitions and floodgate of litigation from pull-him-down agents. The main reason why we want to remove their immunity is already defeated by the argument above ie impeachment clause already serves as a check against abuse of power, misuse of public funds etc. Legislative docility is the real problem and what we should resist, once the legislative arm is awake to its statutory duties of scrutinizing the executive from recklessness, impunity and profligacy in office we will not have the problems of debating whether to remove the clause or not. Impeachment should precede prosecution no matter what! Laws are never passed by emotions Even though there is the need to curtail the excesses of the executive arm.

To cut the long story short, they resigned because money did not flow as it should Its all about transaction for most of politicians

Ofe ma pe aja lobo fun mi se mo kola!

Even the corrupt and incompetent political office holders will say the same! Jobs, Jobs and more Jobs is all we need, not story and not empathy! Economic growth without jobs is Jobless Growth!

Maxymilliano: The ticket to the house of rep was offered to him on a platter of gold, he neither aspired nor contested the primaries into the lower chamber. The upper chamber was his destination, till he was shortchanged by the power that be, and the ticket offered to Babafemi Ojudu after an inconclusive primaries.

He was placated with the House or Rep slot which was vacant, and no record of anybody stepping down for him.

Till date, he's still at loggerheads with Ojodu, Fayemi and ACN leaders in Ekiti for how he was undemocratically schemed out in 2011 for no tangible reasons.

He was undemocratically schemed out of the Senatorial seat, and was undemocratically placated with a House of Rep seat! There are others who also vied for the House of Rep seat but had to step down for him! If he has the clout and influence to win the gubernatorial, why is he still kowtowing to Tinubu again?

PHIPEX: Doesn't the highlighted sound like the short term quick-quick solution of the military era that landed us in the problem we have today. If APC wins in 2015 what happens afterward? Are we not going to be left with 2 PDP like parties competing over who wins more loot? I will prefer to have to contend with one devil than multiplying the devils in the polity.

We run a "Monetized Democracy" so do not expect saints and perfectionist to form political parties big enough to challenge the PDP for now. PDP needs competition, and As long as there is competition between the two parties(National and State level), both parties will gradually evolve into ideologically based parties. Tinubu, OBJ, GEJ, Buhari and co will all die someday, and patriotic and fair minded Nigerians will take over from them!