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@combrazor, Seun

I'm proud of what you're doing, tayo-D.  Ultimately, pirates can only be defeated in courts of law.

that's why i wanted to know the name of the company so i could show some support,  i try to make it a point of duty to buy only official copies, though lately the bootlegs seem to be predominating at the spot i usually shop at.

I just came back from the attorney's office. He feels we have a very strong case, but the problem is money. The lawyer I first got in touch with within the same firm bills for his services @ $425/hr. He brought a colleague who will likely work on my case and bills for $275/hr. So you see my dilemma now is the money to pursue this. I have to pay a retainership of $1,500 just for them to start with and the eventual fee could run up to tens of thousands. I'll be discussing with my wife later to determine our next line of action.

By the way, where are you located? I am still trying to establish a distribution chain. I will appreciate if I can get some help from you especially with regards to the stores where you shop.

@Davidylan,

My brother . . . the word in red is of utmost significance.

Bro, that one na small matter. God is able to change the minds of kings - you inclusive. I just want you to be aware of the possibilities.

I think the babe has a whole lot to offer, and since you bear the same first name with my first son and the same second name with my second son, I just can't but desire what is good for you!

@Davidylan,

Just curious pilgrim. You married, engaged, looking, looked, interested, uninterested etc ?

There's my answer! The crossed-out ones do not apply.

did you notice pilgrim1's response to my query above?! Bro, that which thou doest, do quickly o. As for me, i have finished my own race in that regard, else I would have being in pursuit.

@topic,

Pilgrim1, thanks for your contributions. Maybe your bility to articulate things better will help drive the points home better than I could.

@bobbyaf and noetic,

I am kinda busy now, but will find some time to come back and address the points you made. In the mean time, pilgrim1 has done a good job trying to set your thinking straight.

Like Shwazenegger, I'll be back!!!!!!!!

combrazor,

Tayo-D, what's your company's name?

the name is Motherlan' Productions. I started the company late last year and obtained copyright for one movie - wicked Time 1 & 2. Unfortunately, its already been copied by pirates and there is one website that is showing it online already.

I'm meeting with my attorney later today and I'll gist you how things go.

@topic,

Alright, Can an aspiring movie distributor introduce himself? Y'all thinking of distributing your movies in the US, then give me a holla.

By the way, I don't distribute pirated movies. I obtain the copyrights from the Producers in naija before producing and distributing them here. Needless to say, its not easy. The movie I paid $1,000s for was already on the shelf before I could finish my own production.

I have someone in jail now and will be pursuing litigation to recoup my costs from the pirates - not Johnny Depp o.

@topic,

At least, you had to click to view this thread

Actually, I clicked on the thread because you are the author. I doubt if I would have been interested otherwise.

Well, the truth is that it is hard to discuss sex without engaging ones imagination. And for those who are not married, you will be adding more kerosene to the conflagration that they are just managing to bring under control.

What more do people need to know apart from no sex outside wedlock? I really do not know that answer. Even the bible is very discreet when it comes to sex. The action is usually implied with phrases or words such as: so and so knew his wife, adultery, fornication etc. While the Songs of Solomon may be considered romantic, it still doesn't discuss the topic of sex in detail.

Just curious pilgrim. You married, engaged, looking, looked, interested, uninterested etc ?

@pilgrim1,

Oh goodness me!! I knew you'd bring that issue here about the lost garden. Bros, pay your ticket to London Heathrow, and pilgrim.1 will be waiting for you - no shakara this time!

Kai. Chance of a lifetime. But ehm, I will be coming with some extra luggages o. Will you still welcome me if I arrive with my wifey and 2 boys? Afterall, tolerance is a Christian virtue  !

@pilgrm1,

You don start O! Yeye worry you! Abeg suggest better thing make we start this exciting career o jare!

I know you never forget our misadventure in the garden, but old things have passed away now, and all things have become new. Abeg, give this bro a chance.

@pilgrim1,

Meanwhile, I'd like to help out in the prizes as well (suggestions welcome).

I'd answer any Bible quiz if a "dinner with pilgrim1" is in the offing.

Psalm 27:4

One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to enquire in his temple.

@topic,

This is partly what my Pastor preached in our church last sunday. He is teaching on a series titled "Graceful Waiting", and the issue of covetousness came up.

There is nothing wrong with desiring a range rover or limousine for that matter. You only need to search your heart and be sure that the desire isn't propelled by covetousness. Afterall, God promised us in Romans 8:32 - He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? and He also said in 1 Tim 6;17 - who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;.

The problem with covetousness is that you attach your happiness or joy to either your having or lacking the object. So you see, whether you own that car or not, you should be sure that your heart is free of covetousness. The only way to be free of covetousness is to find satisfaction in God at all times, whether in times of need or times of plenty. Your joy should always be full becuase god is always with you - Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Bottom line is this. If it is good and your heart desires it while you are sure that covetousness is absent, do by all means ask and you will receive it.

@noetic,

you made refrence to apostle paul. true he said in phillipians1:23-24 that "I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; 24but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body."

he said this because as David also confirmed, once u re dead, u loose all sense of time, the next phase you know is judgement. also check ecclesiatess9:5 "For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even the memory of them is forgotten.

Paul re-affirmed this in 1thessalonians4:16 that "16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."

and when he finished his good work i.e when he knew his time was up he said in 2timothy4:6-7 "6For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time has come for my departure. 7I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing"

notice that he said on that day, and not immediately I die.

You've said so many things here that it is hard to figure out your point. Please do me a favour. Kindly list out what you are trying to discuss. I guess one of it is that a dead person loses all consciousness before the judgment day. Kindly make those salient points - leave out scriptures for now, then we will tackle them one after the other.

@noetic,

like I said, this is not an antheist or anti-Christian idea or provocation, I am a born again Christian, I only want us to know the truth and abide by it.

I am in no way doubting your faith. I understand the need not to just accept the common belief as truth without searching the scriptures one-self to validate its veracity or otherwise. That being said, let me now address your concerns.

you are muddling things up and u didnt answer my question.

Maybe you need to meditate on the things I said. I didn't just provide answers but provided the promptings for you to arrive at the answers. That way, you will know the truth yourself and not just saying what others have said.

If you are already in heaven in spirit, why then do u need your physical body in heaven? comparing the ressurection of Jesus to ours is ok.

Perhaps you need to ask Jesus this question too. If He is really spirit that He is, 'because the Bible tells us God is spirit, why then did he resurrect with His physical body? Why doesn't He just get ried of it once and for all? Anyway, the anser is partly what I have shared with you before. It is sin, through death that causes the separation of the body from the spirit and at the resurrection, the effect of sin will be totally undone and a reconcialiation of the body and spirit will take place.

but note that Jesus was in spirit form from the beginning.(this is confirmed in the hebrew bible, where the creation was done by Elohim the plural name for God in genesis 1) it was His decision to die for mankind that made him come in flesh. this implies that dominion in heaven has always been in spirit. tha father, the son and the spirit plus the hosts of heaven have always been in spirit.

While your statement is true, it does not take a way the fact that Jesus cannot be separated from His physical body today. This is one of the greatest truth that Christains do not even focus on. That the form of our God is that of man. When Jesus rose from the dead, he wasn't in the form of a spirit. He was flesh and bones.  Luke 24:39 - Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

John 3vs13 Jesus said"no one has gone into heaven, except the Son of man that came down from it"

That is true until His resurrection from the dead when the dead saints who were seen in Jerusalem ascended up with Him to heaven. This is another related truth which will require a separate thread to deal with. In any case, the New Testament teaches that the Spirits of just men made perfect are now in heaven. Hebrews 12:23 - To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

when apostle peter was explaining the concept and intrigues of Christs ressurection, to convince the isrealites about the realities of Jesus ressurection, he made startling revealations. lets examine them.
Acts2vs29-34
29"Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ,[a] that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay. 32God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. 33Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. , 34For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said
   " 'The Lord said to my Lord:
      "Sit at my right hand
notice the last verse david did not ascend into heaven. tayo-d where is david?

Well, there are 2 things to take note of from your statement in bold above. The first is that Peter's reference that David did not ascend to heaven is actually in reference to the fact that David never went to heaven at the time he received the revelation. Please read the passage again. Secondly, I have shown you already above that the spirits of just men who are made perfect are now in heaven. Let me explain this a little further for you.

Before the ascension of Jesus, dead saints were rested in what jesus refers to as Abraham's bossom. They could not go to heaven despite the fact that they were justified spirits. Their spirits had to be made perfect. Paul mentioned that these men could not be made perfect without the Church - Hebrews 11:40 - God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.  So you see, these men's spirits were made perfect when the church came into existence and as such were taken up to heaven with Jesus after his resurrection. That explains why they are on the role call in heaven as I showed in Hebrews 12:23 above.

I'll continue with my answers subsequently. I don't want my responses to be too long for the sake of easy reading.

@Jesoul,

1Cor15:21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him
It implies just what it says. Christ was the first ever to resurrect and never die (firstfruit), and so it'll be for "those who belong to Him"

Well, Christ rose up on the third day with His body. The body of other believers are still in the grave. So the resurrection is not complete until the boy and the spirit are reunited.

@noetic,

your last paragraph was contradictory. if the dead is in heaven, y ressurect the body again?

Because they are in heaven without their bodies. Do the body of dead saints dissapear as soon as they die? Absolutely not. There bodies are here while their spirirts are with the Lord. That's why paul said they are absent in the body but present with the Lord. there is a separation at death, but there is a reuniting at the ressurection.

I am raising this issue that we may learn and abide by the truth.

You are yet to provide any truth.

apostle paul wrote in 1corth15:22-23 "for as in adam all die, even so in christ all shall be made alive, but each in his own order, Christ the firsth fruit and they that are His at His coming" what does that imply?

There is a lot of meaning to this. the primary issue it is dealing with is the concept of righteousness.

Rev20:4-5 " they came to life and reigned with christ for a thousand years" verse 11 mentions a great white throne judgement. in verse 12"and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God and books were opened. And another book was opened which was the book of life. and the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the book"

You are muddling so many things up. These are two groups of people you are talking about. The White Throne Judgement is meant only for unblievers and the earlier group does not come to the judgment. Every believer will receive their rewards at the Judgement Seat of Christ. See, your problem is that you need to arrange everything chronologically before you can see the full picture. In the mean time you have muddled up so many events and have thus confused yourself.

notice that the bible kept calling them dead, because that is their state before the judgement.

You know what death means? It only refers to a separation! When you die, your spirit is separated from your body. When Adam died in the Garden, his spirit was separated from God. Death only means separation. Apply that truth to the reading of those passages and you will receive more enlightenment.

@noetic,

Let me give you a simple answer. If you really seek for more understanding, you will check out the Bible in depth to check out what I now present as the truth.

Indeed, a Christian who dies now goes straight to Heaven. Paul said "to be absent in the body is to be present with the Lord." the Lord there being refernce to Jesus who is in heaven.

With regards to the resurrection, what happens to believers that are already dead is that there bodies will be raised up as well. This is one of the uniquneness of the Christian faith. Ours is the only one that teaches about the resurrection of our bodies. so you see, there is no controversy at all, except in the minds of those who lack this knowledge.

@topic,

It's funny that in the Jewish tradition, a woman who covers her face is actually considered a prostitute. Genesis 38:15 When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face.

@olabowale,

Where do you go from here, now that you know the truth of Muhammad being the only Prophet/Messenger sent to the whole of Mankind?

Says who? If anything, your Koran lends credence to the fact that Mohammed was sent only to the Arabs. Why was he called an unlettered Prophet? Well, here's what I wrote in an earlier debate: Muhammad's purpoted illiteracy lends credence to the miracle of the Koran to those who have been deceived by this lie. There is absolutely no historical justification to believe Muhammad was unlettered. Many further hold on to this truth because of the Kora's epithet for Muhammad: an-nabi al-ummi , traditionally understood as meaning "the unlettered Prophet." As Kenneth Cragg and many others have demonstrated, an-nabi al-ummi should more properly be understood as "the Prophet for the unlettered" (that is, the Scriptureless), a translation consistent both with the grammar of the sentence as well as the Muhammad's view that the Koran is the revelation for a people without a sacred book: "We did not give [the Arabs] any previous books to study, nor sent them any previous Warners before you." (Koran 34:44). In other words, Mohammed was sent only to the Arabs. But of course, his mission was not from Jehovah.

@olabowale,

TayoD: Enlighten us about Artemis of the Ephesians, being almost the same as Islam,. Islam is a religion I have practiced for over half a century. Mother was just talking to me about that this afternoon, that I took the religion seriously from my young days. I know enough about Islam that it is unique and there has been no other religion that matches it, in the way it is practiced. But I will like to hear how you came up with your opinion about Islam, a religion you know nothing and at best a little about.

You will do well to assimilate what you read before posting uninformed rejoinders. I said both religion bear a lot of similarities. And by the way, have you read Acts 19 as I requested? Please go through that chapter and pick out the peculiarities and characteristics of the worshippers of Artemis and compare them with the hordes of allah today.

@olabowale,

@TayoD: Is there any verse of the Bible that is uniquely telling us that Jesus is the only sinless person?

Heb 4:15 - For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin.

1Jo 1:8 - If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.Are those answers enough for you. jesus is without sin, but anyone else who claims to be without sin is a liar.

Further did you just isolate a verse from the Qur'an, which says that Jesus alone is the only sinless person? May I have the verse from the Qur'an? And did you consider all the other verses in the Qur'an considering Jesus and his mother, Virgin Mary? You must read Surah Al Maidah, towards the end to see what kind of condition that the day of Judgement holds for Jesus. You must also read towards the end of Surah Mariam, to see the condition of those who say that God has a son and the fact that no one has a right to intercede before the Irresistible God, except the one Only He grants it to. You must also read in Surah Nisaa where God says that Jesus was no crucified nor killed. You must also read in Surah Isra where Allah says that if there is more than 1 god, each god would try to out shine the other(s) and finally all would have colluded together and try to challenge the Supreme God!

All this na tory. I hate dancing around in circles. You tell us then if I am wrong and prove yourself right. Does your Koran contest the fact that Jesus is without sin? I am not talking about mary now but Jesus. while your koran may make some claims about Mary being sinless, the bible does not do so.

Tayo if any and all of these do not have any effect on you, how do you want us the 'Muslims,' who accept One Supreme God should accept a man from Palestine, who at one time was just a mere fetus in his mothers womb, as our god? How do you expect us to take this man called Jesus as god when there is the owner of the "WORD" that all of you say he was, yet while he become flesh the OWNER OF THE WORD, never lost His ability to speak with His Angels and the other Prophets; Zachariah and Yahya, both father and son who were contemporaries of Jesus?

I will answer you with a question. Is it impossible for the Almighty God who has the power to do anything incapable of becoming man if He so choose? I believe ALL things are possible with God and I do not let my limited mind limit the one who is limitless. Not only is our God ABLE to become man, He is humble enough to take that state. I doubt that your allah has the power both to do that nor the humility to do it. Mind you, humility is a virtue that God personifies.

Finally, how 100% inspired words of God keep changing so much as if the goal post is being shifted every 20 years? Why so many versions of 100% inspired words of God? Which one is real and why don't you present the ORIGINAL Inspired Words of God, which you call the Bible: No only from the most ancient transcript which is in other language different the one it is revealed in, and 300 years later. I am talking about what it was right at the time of revelation. That will be Aramaic, but definitely, not Greek. It would be what we call the undiluted revelation. From the time of when the Qur'an declares that there is corruption in the Bible, it has become polluted. Now compare the two sets of Bibles and you will find discrepancies and disagreements between them!

What has changed? Please produce the orifginal version and compared with the scrolls that we have today. Translation is not the same thing as differences. The versions only exist because the original language was translated to english. This is quite different from the once that Abu Bakr did when he destroyed other copies of the koran becuase he is stronger than those with different ones militarily. So which one is the true Koran?

Th

is is the effort you have to go through to save your own soul. Jesus will not be able to do it for you. You should be grateful to the True God that Babs727 is pointing out these things to you. Bringing truth to your attention. All you have to say to him, is 'dude?'

There is no amount of effort a man can exert to save himself. Unless you want to tell me that your allah's righteous standard is so low that a mere human being can attain unto it. The Bible teaches that all our righteousness are like filthy rags before God. So if what you plan to table before God are your filthy rags, then I sorry, sorry for you.

@babs787,

So that is all you intend to say with all your huffing and puffing? To prove that the Bible isn't inspired, the best you can do is quote some scriptures and tell us to prove how they do not provide instructions in righteousness? Dude, wakeup. This is 2008, and you need to become 2008 compliant by using some intelligence in proving your point.

If you cannot learn anything from the verses you quoted, then your case is worse than I anticipated. Our job on nairaland is not to teach people how to make a point and I will not waste my time trying to lecture you on what is obvious.

3.  Genesis 38:1-30: Judah committing incest with his daughter-in-law and producing Pharez and Zerah, the future ancestors of Jesus(as).

This is why I asked you to use some intelligence. How can Pharez and Zerah both be Jesus' ancestors? You need to try and question some of these materials that you lift before you reproduce them here. There are intelligent people on this board who use their mental faculty, though I detest having to think for you. Pharez is the ancestor of Jesus and not both of them.

While you are checking Jesus' ancestral tree, why do you fail to point out that there was even a harlot there, and that David himself commited adultery and murder, and that Nathan a child from the same woman is also Jesus' ancestor? And last of all, why do you omit the very fact that Adam, his ancestor was also a sinner who had the audacity to disobey God's command? The point is everyone before Jesus was a sinner, and it is only Jesus that is without sin. This fact is even coroborated by your Koran. So tell me, what is your point?

note that Jesus came as a result of incest had that night!!

It just tells you God's ability to bring out righteousnes even from unrighteousness. That Jesus is sinless despite His ancestry gives me great hope of righteousness. The same thing he has done for us today by making us righteous through His blood despite our being sinners. I trust in the same God for righteousness unlike you who trust in yourself for righteousness. You will never succeed in meeting God's standard of righteousness in and by yourslef. Turn to Jesu for salvation.

@babs787,

Sorry brother, it was my pc that did that, I meant 100%. So is the bible 100% word of God?

Why do you call me brother? On what basis are we brothers? Better still, why do muslims refer to themselves as brothers and sisters? On what basis do they do that? Christians can say that of themselves because we believe every Christian is a child of God. On what basis do you guys refer to yourselves as brothers and sisters?

As to your earlier question, it is not necessary base on the latter one. I mentioned that the Bible is 100% inspired by God and it contains both the Words spoken by God and that by men and even angels and demons. This question is a classic case of elevating semantics above the reality. Yes, the Bible is 100% God's Word becuase it is 100% inspired of God.

@topic,

There is nothing wrong if Pastor Chris decides to float any business of his choosing as long as it is done in line with the laws of the land. He is only making an impact on the world around him by engaging the culture and occupying till Jessus comes.

While I am no longer a fan of Oyahks, I do not see anything wrong in this step. Floating such a business is bound to help people provide for their families. This can only be commendable. Jesus fed 5,000 supernaturally, if pastor Chris feeds 5,000,000 through this venture, is he not to be commended for doing what his master did in a greater way, though through a different means?

Some of his doctrines may be erroneous, but this action if done with the right motive is absolutely spot on in my opinion.

@topic,

The Good News Translation of Acts 19:35 - At last the city clerk was able to calm the crowd. "Fellow Ephesians!" he said. "Everyone knows that the city of Ephesus is the keeper of the temple of the great Artemis and of the sacred stone that fell down from heaven. I went through this chapter of Acts today and was amazed by the similarity between the religion of Artemis worship and Islam. It so happens that someone now post this topic on nairaland which bears directly on my thoughts today.

I will enjoin everyone to go through Acts 19 and see for themselves what I am talking about. Islam and Artemis of the Ephesians seem like the one and same religion to me.

@topic,

The small, cubed building known as the Kaba [Ka'bah] may not rival skyscrapers in height or mansions in width, but its impact on history and human beings is unmatched. The Kaba is the building towards which Muslims face five times a day, everyday, in prayer. This has been the case since the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) over 1400 years ago.


The Size of the Kaba


The current height of the Kaba is 39 feet, 6 inches and total size comes to 627 square feet. The inside room of the Kaba is 13 x 9 meters. The Kaba's walls are one meter wide. The floor inside is 2.2 meters higher than the place where people perform Tawaf. The ceiling and roof are two levels made out of wood. They were reconstructed with teak which is capped with stainless steel. The walls are all made of stone. The stones inside are unpolished, while the ones outside are polished.


This small building has been constructed and reconstructed by Prophets Adam, Ibrahim [Abraham], Ismail [Ishmael] and Muhammad (peace be upon them all). [Prophets of Allah]. No other building has had this honor. Yet, not very much is [commonly] known about the details of this small but significant building. Did you know the Kaba was reconstructed as recently as close to four years ago? Did you know that the Kaba has been subjected to danger by natural disasters like flooding, as well as human attacks? If you didn't keep reading, you'll find some rarely heard of information discussed below and discover facts about the Kaba many are unaware of.


The Other Names of the Kaba


Literally, Kaba in Arabic means a high place with respect and prestige. The word Kaba may also be a derivative of a word meaning cube. Some of these other names include: Bait ul Ateeq which means, according to one meaning, the earliest and ancient. According to the second meaning, it means independent and liberating. Both meanings could be taken.


The History of the Kaba


Scholars and historians say that the Kaba has been reconstructed between five to 12 times. The very first construction of the Kaba was done by Prophet Adam. Allah [swt, glory be to Him] says in the Quran that this was the first house that was built for humanity to worship Allah. After this, Prophet Ibrahim and Ismail rebuilt the Kaba. The measurements of the Kaba's Ibrahimic foundation are as follows:


- the eastern wall was 48 feet and 6 inches
- the Hateem side wall was 33 feet
- the side between the black stone and the Yemeni corner was 30 feet
- the Western side was 46.5 feet


Following this, there were several constructions before Prophet Muhammad's time.


Prophet Muhammad participated in one of its reconstructions before he became a Prophet. After a flash flood, the Kaba was damaged and its walls cracked. It needed rebuilding. This responsibility was divided among the Quraish's four tribes. Prophet Muhammad helped with this reconstruction. Once the walls were erected, it was time to place the Black Stone, (the Hajar ul Aswad) on the eastern wall of the Kaba.


Arguments erupted about who would have the honor of putting the Black Stone in its place. A fight was about to break out over the issue, when Abu Umayyah, Makkah's oldest man, proposed that the first man to enter the gate of the mosque the following morning would decide the matter. That man was the Prophet. The Makkans were ecstatic. "This is the trustworthy one (Al-Ameen)," they shouted in a chorus. "This is Muhammad". He came to them and they asked him to decide on the matter. He agreed.


Prophet Muhammad proposed a solution that all agreed to putting the Black Stone on a cloak, the elders of each of the clans held on to one edge of the cloak and carried the stone to its place. The Prophet then picked up the stone and placed it on the wall of the Kaba.


Since the tribe of Quraish did not have sufficient funds, this reconstruction did not include the entire foundation of the Kaba as built by Prophet Ibrahim. This is the first time the Kaba acquired the cubical shape it has now unlike the rectangle shape which it had earlier. The portion of the Kaba left out is called Hateem now,


What is inside the Kaba?


Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi is the president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). He had the opportunity to go inside the Kaba in October 1998. In an interview with Sound Vision, he described the following features:


- there are two pillars inside (others report 3 pillars)
- there is a table on the side to put items like perfume
- there are two lantern-type lamps hanging from the ceiling
- the space can accommodate about 50 people
- there are no electric lights inside
- the walls and the floors are of the marble
- there are no windows inside
- there is only one door
- the upper inside walls of the Kaba were covered with some kind of curtain with the Kalima written on it.

Source: http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/kabah.htm

@dafidixone,

That is an excellent article.

@topic,

Is the bible 1005 word of God?

NO. the Bible is not 1005 word of God!

Is the bible 100% inspired?

YES! The bible is 100% inspired. Is that not why Mohammed associated his god "allah" with it by claiming "allah" confirms it?

@poster,

Renumeration: Very reasonable for such positions

Is that a way of not paying them what is reasonable for positions held by OND/HND/BSC in any disciplines?

@RichyBlack,

How do we make progress when some, blinded by insane loyalty to America, will not admit that such a crime is evil, even after the US military courts have sentenced the perpetrators to jail?

I thinkyou are mixing up issues here. No one here has praised the US soldiers for the heinous crime of rape. the praise went to the US for at least throwing the books at the perpetrators.

This topic started with an accusation of rape at US soldiers while a purpoted picture is attached as proof. Some have said this picture is from a movies scene (and I tend to agree) and not real. Are we then to accuse the US or its soldiers for something that they have not done? Should we start cursing them based on phoney pictures and false accusations? That is the isue here. If you stand by the truth, then you need also to desire to get to the root of this allegation and rightly condemn or validate its claim. That is the issue here.

As for the rape of the teenager by the Soldiers, it is highly inexcusable and i'm glad the perpetrators are being brought to book and I'm sure dishonorably discharged from the Armed Forces.

@jagunlabi,

If you consider the fact that the wages of sin is death, then one cannot but marvel at the mercy of god to keep sparing us of the consequences of our sin.

@MP007,

This is the best way to define sin, SIN IS ANYTHING THAT MAKES You FAIL TO OBEY THE TEN COMMANDMENTS,

But there was no Ten Commandments in the Garden of Eden and yet Adam was convicted of sin. So you see, this your definition does not cut it at all.

Sin is simply missing the mark, - God's mark. Remember Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; We sin each time our words, thoughts and/or deeds fall short of God's righteous standards.

This is why I pity those who intend to get to heaven based on their 'good" works because no matter how good your work is, it still cannot meet God's standard. That is why God told us in Isaiah 64:6 that all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; becuase they still fall short of His glory.