₦airaland Forum

Benekkk:
Of course not! Only Jesus Christ saves. But if you have the spirit of God dwelling in you there’s no way you can remain in a dead “Church“ and remain comfortable/content because it’s the spirit of discernment. As a good Berean you are to scrutinize the teachings with God’s word and look for wherever the truth is being preached in spirit and truth!

Good point, but from reading the new testament, we learn that the spirit comes from the laying on of hands of the brethren. So someone in a dead church can't have the spirit in the first place. How does such know the church to join?

Patented:
The church he gave his life for meant his people. this was without borders or doctrinal dichotomy. Christ is the way, the truth and the light. it is following his teachings that brings salvation not the church you attend. On the last day some people will go and their pastors/priests/prophets etc will be left behind and vice versa.

But then isn't important to align with a church that follows the doctrines of Christ? Or does Christ not have a doctrine?

Patented:
Na how you live your life. thats why it is important you study for yourself to know what is right. no be "Pastor Say"

So you mean churches, are pastors are not important in our spiritual journey?
Again, if the church isn't important, why did Christ lay his life for the church?
Ephesians 5:27

27 He gave his life for the church so that one day he can look at the church and see that the people are great and wonderful. The people of the church must have no dirty spot or wrinkle or any thing like that. But they are to be holy and good.

Today, there are all manner of churches with different teachings and doctrines. Do all of them lead to the kingdom of heaven?
If not, what should one look out for before aligning with a church.
Please don't mention "a bible believing church," because all christian organizations believe in the bible one way or the other.

Mhizzard:
There will be lack of thinking before one's take ungodly action

It's not as if Nigerians are not already taking ungodly actions.
Even the most religious Nigerian is open to give and take bribes.

CreedElliot:
Its a lie. Life requires a game plan. You can be blessed anywhere if you understand and can play the game

The game in the UK is very simple and easy to play. The game in Nigeria is rigged and only a few will succeed.
A little quote from Mike Tyson. " Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
No matter your game plan, Nigeria has a way of punching you in the mouth.

MrPresident1:
Pay homage

Idiot, I pay homage to God and not to you the devil.

buygala:
How can you not pay for Aso ebi and want to eat free Amala and Ewedu in the UK?.. O wrong nau

Do these wicked people know how much a plate of Amala costs in the UK ?..

If she knows that she wants to sell her amala, let her start a restaurant business.
The idiot thought she could make a profit from her birthday.

middlebelter:
My objective is not to. display an encyclopaedic knowledge of the Bible nor answer all his questions, if he is honest with himself and ask the Holy Spirit to speak to him from a sincere heart, God the Holy Ghost will not fail address all the doubts and confusions in his heart. Mine is to give him the formula and back it up with the scriptures.
The matter is so very important , indeed one of the most important issues about life, I there not claim to know all but only appeal to him in Christ'stead .like Paul the Apostle did, "be ye reconcile with God". In this lay his joy and peace.

That's not how it works. Yes, we have the Holy Spirit yet you still go to church to learn from your fellow men. You ask questions in Sunday School and you are not referred to the Holy Spirit for answers.
The point is, that you need to stop criticizing others for asking questions. It's ok if you don't know the answers but never never try to stop people from asking because someone out there might just have the answer.
Remember, the man beaten up by thieves was not saved by the Holy Ghost or by an angel, he was rescued by the good Samaritan.
You are supposed to be the salt of the earth, the Light of the world.
What is your value if you can't lead the world with your light?

MrPresident1:
You are from America country

Mr Lucifer

LordReed:
I can't wait for when science shows us how water turns into wine just by saying or wishing it. LoLz.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here but as I said earlier, science is constantly evolving.
Things we thought were right are being proven wrong.
God on the other hand is all knowing.
He knows with 100% certainty if horses or elephants existed in the Americas before the coming of the Europeans for example.

That's why I say you can judge religion with the yardstick of science.
Do you understand what I am saying.

LordReed:
Where these records found in religious scripture and disputed by scientific findings?

What is a religious event? You mean miracle? Are you saying miracles leave no evidence?

Science doesn't declare itself a monolithic body of knowledge that is inviolate, that is religion.

With science, there is hardly a conclusion. We keep learning everyday.
So just because a religious event does not rhyme with the accepted science of today does not mean it can't be found to be absolutely correct in 10 years time still using scientific Indicators.
That's where faith comes in.

LordReed:
Then religion should stay in its lane and not cross over to making bogus historical or scientific claims. Fact is fact, a religion should not have the leeway to attempt to manufacture bullshit and call it fact.

You clearly don't get the purpose of religion.

Now let's talk a little about scientific facts.
One thing we learnt from the COVID 19 pandemic is that the general science view also undergoes constant change. What's viewed as correct today may be seen as wrong in the next 50 years.

There have been records of plants and animals that at a time we believed where extinct only to discover that they were not as more evidence were provided.

So when it comes to things that happened hundreds of years ago, science is not always conclusive.

There are still so many arguments going in the world of science.

So even when we don't have evidence of a religious event, it's not always safe to claim it is false.

That's where faith comes in.
Faith is a religious quality. It has no place in the science world.

Hence it's not right to measure religious events with scientific Indicators.

LordReed:
I have no qualms with people interpreting their text in spiritual ways, but a problem arises when they begin to claim what is obviously contrary to reality as historical or scientific. If you notice I didn't tell the OP that his experience wasn't real or profound or meaningful, that's because I think having those kinds of experiences can be helpful to the individual. However, having an experience does not change what is obviously not factual into fact.

We are somehow saying the same thing. My point is that every ancient religions scripture is contrary to reality as historical or scientific. So religion should not be judged the same way we judge other history or scientific texts.
There must be in different measure for religion.
If not, we all should be atheists. There is a place for religion and there is a different place for science and even historical facts.

LordReed:
Let's examine a bit about the Book of Mormon.

1. It claims to have been ori written in reformed Egyptian, a language that has no evidence of ever existing.

2. It claims to be from ancient American natives yet extensively quotes the King James version of the Bible. Ancient native Americans had the King James Bible?

3. The book claims there were horses and elephants in America at the time it was written but these animals were in fact introduced to America by Europeans. Horses were brought to America in the 16th century, elephants much later.

4. The book claims native Americans descended from Abraham but no genetic study has ever found genetic link between native Americans and people from the Middle East.

5. No archaeological findings has ever supported anything the book claims about ancient native Americans.

There is a whole lot more but most of it is of academic interest because you need to really invest in understanding some things before you know why the Book of Mormon cannot be what it says it is. These ones I have written here I think are sufficient to put pause to any claim that it is some kind of historical or accurate record of real world events.

I don't think we should judge religious scripture with the eyes of an academic document.

All ancient religions scripture contains contradictory historical accounts and claims that science can proof to be false. All without exception.

For example, archaeology and history have proven that there was no wall of Jericho at the time the children of Israel fell the wall. Jericho at that time wasn't even a city. It was just a small settlement.

The question here is, how best can we judge the content of a spiritual ducument?

You clearly have very intelligent argument so I want to hear your thoughts on judging ancient scripture with historical facts and other scientific measures.

middlebelter:
You are indeed an occasional reader of the scripture. The Holy Bible is a spiritual book and you only understand some aspects with the type of mindset with which you approach it. If you read with the mind to find faults or contradictions like you have done, the devil that doesn't want you to benefit from reading will load you with thousands of confusion. But if you, one on one with your maker ask God to lead you to the truth about the scriptures on the bottom of your heart, God will never fail to lead you to understanding of the truth.

Remember the same lawyer can twist the same section of law to mean different things to you depending on your understanding of the law, in the same vein, the devil is always ready to lead many without the spirit of God into more confusion especially when their objectives are sinister.

I therefore counsel you, the Holy Bible is not contradictory as you are trying to mislead people, scripture is used to explain the scriptures. If God says thou shall not commit murder and at another point say take your sword and execute judgement on your brother that have committed sin,. Is it not applicable even today? Government says don't commit murder, of you do the arms of the law will catch up with you, however the same government allows soldiers to kill insurgents and bandits that are citizens of this country. Can you see the need for orderliness here?
Please stop misleading people about the scripture, it is a dangerous thing to do. Search him with all your heart in your room all alone, he will manifest if you do.

You only attempted to explain one out of the 10 points. You spent much of your energy criticizing the post instead of providing meaningful answers.

As Christians, our duty is to be the light of the world. We provide answers and meaning to the questions of life. Millions of people have issues with many portions of the bible and instead of accusing them of misleading others when they ask questions, we should provide them with answers. It's ok if you don't know the answers for now but stop attacking people who don't have the same beliefs as you.

Kobojunkie:
That statement in Exodus 4 that you pulled out of context was in fact metaphorical description of the people of Israel by God.
A firstborn son typically refers to one individual in a family but in this case, the term is used in reference to a whole nation of people, a first indication that it is meant to be figuratively processed. In that passage, anyone able to see could tell that God described the people of Israel as having the same importance that a firstborn son would have to the likes of Pharaoh whose firstborn son He, God, threatened.

Your personal opinion. I respect it but the word of God is not open to personal interpretation. So thanks.

And yes, a nation can be described as a firstborn. Today, the Yorubas and the Benin argue about who is the first son of their common ancestry.

One more thing, you claim that "anyone able to see could tell that God described the people of Israel as having the same importance that a firstborn son"
So are you saying that Israel has the same importance as Jesus Christ? Is that your interpretation?

Righteousness2:
There is absolutely nothing wrong in having children replace their parents in Ministry.

What is wrong is if the children are not spiritually qualified to hold such position and you give it to them just based on physical relationship.

My prayer for the young man and his sister is that they submit wholeheartedly to GOD ALMIGHTY in truth and in spirit.

Ministry is beyond inheritance. Ministry is God's business. God does not need your height, your degree, your expertise or financial power to run his business.

Infact if the only qualification you have is that it is my father's church, you will be an experimental tool for the devil to waste.

If you want to truly see God work through you, you Must genuiely and personally yield yourself to Him.

The church does not belong to anyone. It is not a property that is inherited. It is supposed to belong to Christ and not the Odukoya family

FreeStuffsNG:
I am very happy and tremendously proud to be a Patriotic Nigerian!

God bless Nigeria my fatherland for ever! All the enemies of Nigeria will lose las las. They always lose.

Happy Independence Day celebrations to every patriotic Nigerian and lovers of Nigeria. May all our living and departed Heroes and Heroines continue to inspire us. Check my signature for free stuffs!


Amin! Adupe, Na go de, Useni, obulu ma, daalu.
May God bless you and your family too ma.

The only enemy Nigeria has is it's corrupt government. And no one supporting this corrupt system is truly patriotic. Such a person is only a hypocrite.

MrPresident1:
Are you from America country?

Are you asking if I am from America or if I am from America country?

correctguy101:
It's also like a PLEDGE. A swearing of loyalties.

I agree most who knows aren't keeping it. What do we now have to say about those who don't even know or understand the words.

Both those who know and those who don't know, none of these make any difference. It's a prayer that remains unanswered. There must be a reason why God isn't into the Nigerian prayer.

FreeStuffsNG:
Hmmm.
I actually thought it was named after HE Obaino, his predecessor, who toiled very hard to bring this his legacy project to fruition.

Except if Late Prof Achebe is from same place as Obaino, this doesn't look fair politically correct especially among the kinsmen of Obaino who, for political and strategic reasons, located the airport in his own constituency.

I will not be surprised if this new name doesn't stand and may be changed later.
Soludo should build a legacy project and name it after late Prof. This one should be used to honor Obaino. He seems to be focusing on less important priorities like renaming.

Build great legacy project and name it after Achebe, simple. Check my signature for free stuffs!
Happy Independence Day!

It's stupid and unethical to name projects after politicians who built them. This is not USSR where Stanlin had his name on everything.
It's always better to name projects after nonpolitical achievers.
The kinsmen of Obiano are not complaining.

onuman:
Because you don't understand how the number of states in the three regions that formed Nigeria in 1960 affects the outcome of Nigeria's presidential election.
Because you don't understand how the number of constituency representatives from the three regions affect policy making at the Federal Executive Council and voting in the National Assembly.
Because you don't understand how revenue is shared among the states and Abuja in Abuja.

What I understand is that Nigeria has been corrupt since 1960. Having 3 regions or 36 states change nothing.

onuman:
Where can Nigeria get good leadership from a skewed, lopsided and fraudulent political structure of 36 states and Abuja? Proliferation of 20 new federating units in one northern region but 17 federating units in two regions - Western and Esstern - decreed Nigeria to slow and painful death.

I really don't care about how many states we have in the south. There was bad leadership even before we created states

HISSCRIBE1995:
I noticed that the jehova witnesses around me usually feel uncomfortable when a christian song is been played but they are quick to dance and sing along to secular (even ungodly ) songs.
They seems not to like hearing a christian sermon but would prefer to listen to sermons from other faith (islam)

Now the question is - why do these people react this way but chose to be more positive to unchristian subject rather than christian subject of which they are already familiar with.
It is also a wonder that these people Choose not to be identified as Christians (please if I'm wrong with this assertions you can correct me)
I think these organizations need to be studied very well to see why they Choose to be the way they are (their doctrines, and differences in scriptures)

If you know anything about this group called jehova witnesses, or had experienced some of their reactions, please share so that the church and general public can know more about them and their beliefs without castigasting anyone.

They are just like all other christian organizations with a false interpretation of the word of God.
Don't criticize them unless you have no false beliefs too.
Note: They also believe that angels have male sex hormones.
That they won't see or enter the kingdom of God because they are not born again.
And that it's ok to hate anyone that leaves their church.

davies:
All the states with zero or 1 medal should be blacklisted.
They are all Corrupt folks wey don chop the money assigned for the mundial

We are talking of real problems are you are talking of nonsense medals in an unknown competition. Who cares

correctguy101:
And you'd be surprised many don't even know the words on the national anthem... Even most senior public officials.

Many who once knew have now forgotten.

Boys for Warri go say: "The hustling don make man turn crase"

Millions know the words yet it doesn't make Nigeria a better place. We need more than words. We need real leadership.

jesusjnr2020:
Was The Second Stanza Of National Anthem Made For Such A Time As This?

To illustrate, here it is:

O God Of Creation.
Direct Our Noble Cause.
Guide Our Leaders Right.
Help Our Youth “The Truth” To Know.
In Love And Honesty To Grow.
And Live In Just And Truth.
Great Lofty Heights Attain.
To Build A Nation Where Peace And Justice Shall Reign.

It seems prophetic, as though those who composed it were actually speaking of today because I don't think there's ever been a time in this nation's history where it had been as applicable and relevant to the state of the nation as it currently is.

Perhaps it's time for this stanza to usurp the first since it seems much more relevant with regards the nation at this time.

The nation needs righteous leaders, honest and just youths, peace and justice now more than ever.

May God provide what this nation needs in Jesus name!

God bless.

The second stanza is a prayer that has gone unanswered. Maybe it's time to drop it

jesusjnr2020:
Sexuality: No Matter How You Color Them, Only One Set Would Fit

Matthew 19:4-6 (KJV)

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

If God, the Creator, joined male and female together in the beginning, no matter what the devil or men try to do to alter that divinely orchestrated pattern, they will never succeed.

Only one set would fit.

The male + female that God ordained it to be in the beginning.

God bless.

No matter what we say or write, gay people will still be gay and straight people will be straight.

Tunde835:
It's like a ripple effect that influences the economy. Eko atlantic equals more investment for victoria island which also means more businesses to tax which means more revenue for lagos which means more infrastructure and projects like lagos metro that benefits the average lagosian.

This can only happen when the structures are completed and rented.

erico2k2:
Obviously, you are too timid to know what foxtrot Oscar is.
Once again, I have told you to Foxtrot Oscar.

You've proven that it's impossible to Shame the shameless

grandstar:
Floating the Naira was the right thing to do despite the present teething problems.

One way to assist importers is to slash import duty on cars. It is quite high. It shouldn't be more than 20%

We don't have any policy in place to make the naira recover. It's just a continuous free fall. It reminds me of Zimbabwe.