₦airaland Forum

@firdaus4us,

Why has it been so difficult for you to say what you had in mind? What is wrong with being a servant of God? Why all the games?

Lol

If it's not this one, it's Human Embryology.

@Flowjay,

Wetin dey vex you?? 

Flowjay:
But for those who are honestly interested in the topic, I personally wouldn't have responded again to the Blasphemy and Ignorant "intelligence" of people like Telly B, davidylan, babyosisi, and olutomiwa.

I like your choice of vocab at me and my Christian brethren. . . but you have not demonstrated any level of IQ. Until you do so, I would keep my fingers crossed for you!

The thing about "ignorant intelligence" is that we know what we're talking about. The common sense thing to do would be to point out the flaws in our rejoinders, and show us HOW we got it all wrong! Failing to do so and sobbing all at once is making it difficult for me to concentrate on gaining more "ignorant intelligence"!! 

Flowjay:
The question had since been answered and has been answered over and over again with another comprehensive answer from nuru, yet the disbeleiving heart of some people will not make them see, rather they want to question God (Allah).

First, it was nuru I was questioning; and not God. Second, nuru is not God, nor has he been able to demonstrate common sense here - even so far as having been unable to answer his own question!!

Not one Muslim (except sandoka) has been honest enough to kindly show how our rejoinders are skewed or wide of berth to the core issues raised here. How many of your Muslim brethren have answered any one of the 4 questions I posted initially?? After taking off from the thread, babs787 returned with his bragado style of circumventing questions because he felt the praises he got from his ilk were shortlived. And what happened after I explained the working of the qiblah detector to him?

You don't use one set of ignorance to pepper another from your brethren.

Flowjay:
For your info beleive sometimes look strange especially when we try to question the Almighty.

Belief may look strange; but we seek to understand rather than question the Almighty!

Flowjay:
Yet we muslims have played maturedly, we haven't asked you why your god died on a cross and who was in control of the world for the 3 days he was dead.

Please go through the threads again - that question has been reharshed and circulated several times in various threads by your own Muslim apologists. Besides, islampride's blasphemous thread is still there for all to see how a Muslim behaves for nothing other than to justify his "ignorant intelligence". There has not been a coherent or consistent display of maturity coming from your camp - especially with the "tit-for-tat" games recently; so please don't make this cosmetic excuse that pretends these things don't exist among Muslims.

Flowjay:
We haven't asked u why u call a Prophet (Jesus) God, at the same time son of God, even when we all knw God does not beget nor was he begotten, and so many more which I wouldn't bring up because I beleive that; You will never worship that which I worship, nor will I worship that which you worship,

Another cosmetic and pretentious excuse. These questions have been asked one too many times by Muslims. Go figure.

Flowjay:
because for you is your religion and for me mine. For this reason I will not bother responding to insincere posts from people not willing to see answers.

We will miss you - NOT!! If you were being sincere, we would not be reading such snivels from you - especially because you're pretending the issues you're talking about don't exist among Muslims on this Forum.

Flowjay:
For those new to this thread please refer to previous posts for answers. Thx

They will go there and see the maps, facts, evidences, and pictures I posted; plus the scholarly debates offered by other Christians to counter the cosmetic deception you guys often try to dribble around to coverup obvious shams.

Regards.

mukina2:
@Telly B
i do not know if you are new here or was once a member who got shown a red card

Don't sob so hard. I'm not going to be here for long anyway. . . or I just might happen to stay for a lil longer!!

mukina2:
on a more serious note
reasons why i say little or nothing at all .And only post my thoughts on Muslims only thread is that
- Christians on Nairaland in attempts to bring down Islam , say a lot of crazy things about the prophet of Islam .

I noticed; and apologise to you about that. I can't excuse myself for only just joining the Forum; but you won't read me playing the "tit-for-tat" games.

What astonishes me is that some lazy Muslims only slice their middle region in the process of defending their religion - because they think that by attacking Jesus and saying crazy things about Him, they're getting back at Christians!

More than that, this is the first place where I'm reading of a Muslim referring to Muslim authors as "deluded authors that lied in order to deceive"!!

mukina2:
As a kid i was told that .if someone wants to say something about Islam listen and say exactly what you should say, but if someone refers anything to the Prophet of Islam .Ignore them.

I've heard that, too. . . and I can't remember the text shown to me by one of my many rascal friends in school for that. I could post it if and when I find it.

mukina2:
to be honest here
you guys sppend all your time making fun of Islam .

Not true, and that's the interpretation often given to excuse common sense for ignorance.

If at all, the same "making fun" can be said of your Muslim apologists whom I don't remember you guys saying anything of caution to when they go happy clappy on their adventures. And I'm being honest.

mukina2:
it hasnt helped that so many " New converts" come up with sick stories and some many " i have seen the light" coming up with stories from Propaganda sites.

Did you say anything about the propaganda posting of the Khadijat who claimed that she had seen the light in Islam after having been a pastor for over a decade? Her propaganda story was posted on this Forum; but I did not see any Muslim object to that!

mukina2:
I know all the christians here are "highly intelligent' and muslims are either illitrate, " keep expressing there ignorance"

I believe everyone is intelligent enough to hold an honest and intellectual debate, until proven otherwise.

Infact sef, no be Qur'an talk say there are men devoted to learning among the Christians??

mukina2:
you have all claimed that we are living in the darkness and you are in the light .

And Muslims have all claimed from their Qur'an that Christians are pagans and the worst of creatures!! Am I lying??

mukina2:
stay in your light and leave us in our darkness .

The choice is yours - and you know light when you see it!

mukina2:
everyone for him/herself .God for us all .

I never heard it preached at all like that in Islam. Allah in Islam has never said he is "for us all!"

muhsin:
Telly B,
I think babs787 have answered your question, and answered it correctly. What more do you want? Lets be fair!
Thanks

@muhsin,

I think that's a convenient way of saying: "I think babs787 has no answers!"

Please read the question again and then re-read babs' answer:

Question: "is it true that when Christians refer to Jesus as God, they are worshipping a false god?"

babs: "We muslims do not worship Jesus and do not regard him as God."

Now muhsin, was I asking about what MUSLIMS do or not do about Jesus??

I would very much appreciate an honest answer from Muslims. If this question cannot be answered, then none of the questions posed by your Muslim apologists are worth reading.

@Realpoint,

The answers given so far by Muslims - whether facing EAST or Kaa'ba - are borne out of ignorance! Even common sense geography is vacant in most of their answers - except the forthright and honest answer from one Muslim so far: sandoka!!

Should we even leave the issue of cardinal directions (east, west, north south) for a moment, have you taken a closer look at nuru'[/b]s questions and answers which you quoted in your response, and see how he flunks it out of IGNORANCE!! The guy is clueless about who Christ is; and I've had to show him answers from the Bible!

Now, I observe that anytime the Muslim is pointed to straightforward, no-nonsense answers, they come up with some verses from the Qur'an which they apply as soothing balm to the bruise of the ignorance. You may be a Muslim and be proud of it; and we're all happy for you. But to plaster the shame of the vacancy of thought and scholarship at the basic level is, to me, simply out of this world!

Let me ask you: when have Muslims ever believed anything when they've been pointed out lucidly?? Only the sensible ones are leaving Islam and finding grace and salvation in Jesus Christ!

It would be such a delight to read from the likes of [b]sandoka who, in telling the truth, has earned my respect!

mukina2:
its very funny the way some of you go on

. . . And I'm still laughing!

mukina2:
i have given up on you all

Lai-lai!! I will never gee vup on you!

mukina2:
no matter what you say . it doesn get to me

No one is seeking to get at you.

mukina2:
i am a muslim and will always remain one

Great! With the lost Torah and Injil! Let's celebrate!

@nuru,

nuru:
God created the world and all in it. Observing different aspects of nature as commanded by God for the purpose of worship is not idolatry.

We hear. So, if I am hugging and caressing a tree for the purpose of worship, you can assert that it is not idolatory?!?  

nuru:
What is idolatry. It is to ascribe and to believe and to act upon such believe that there is another diety worthy of worship beside or alongside your creator. That is idolatry.

That is a convenient definition of idolatory for the purpose of disguising the reality of the baneful practice. As defined in the Torah, idolatory is far reaching than that; and includes the veneration[/i]of, and [i]reverence to, an object as included in worship. Ask, and I'll gladly explicate the issue of the BLACK STONE for what it really is - with hard "facts, evidence, maps, and pictures".

nuru:
Muslims believe in God, the One and Only Creator of the entire universe. So what is so special about the Kaaba. What is special about it is that God commanded believers to face it when observing salat. How was the commandment communicated. Of course it is through the Quran revealed to the most noble of mankind, Muhammad the son of Abdullah, the Prophet of God.(Salla lau alaehi wa salam)

Okay, back to reality. I have just one question: why was the BLACK STONE nowhere mentioned in the Torah as part of the worship in the lives of Adam, Abraham and the Jews??

nuru:
Will Christ know what you say in your heart. No

Actually, Christ knows exactly what people say and think in their hearts. In Luke 9:47, we read that He perceived the thoughts that were in the disciples' hearts (see also Luke 5:22). In Matt. 9:4, we read: "And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?"

nuru:
Will God know what you say in your heart. Yes

That's true - just as has been outlined above about Christ.

nuru:
Why is that. Because God is your Creator and Jesus is not.

Again, you wouldn't exist without Christ, of whom it is written: "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." -- John 1:3.

nuru:
But Jesus is special. Yes, to the extent that he is a Spirit of God

He is more than that; and even in Islam, He is accorded a superlative position than the Qur'an accorded Muhammad.

nuru:
But can't Spirit of God be God. No, they are different. One is the Origin, the other is subservient to Him

Not even the Qur'an teaches this. Muhammad was onced asked about the Spirit. His answer showed how blank he was about who the Spirit of God is. Rather, he said only Allah knew - and that was simply because he had mistaken Jibril for the Spirit.

nuru:
But this issue of Qiblah. Yes, facing it for salat is only symbolic. All mankind must focus on God, that is the lesson

Facing the Qiblah is not the same thing as focusing on God; in as much as you have not explicated the "symbolic" significance of the BLACK STONE!

nuru:
Why is it in Makkah. To get an answer, you must first answer this '' why is River Niger in Nigeria, why does the tide rise and fall, why must the earth orbit the sun, why must man live and die. A lot of whys. that you may not be able to answer.

In other words, you were unable to answer your own question?? Awww.

nuru:
So, if the Lord of Wisdom says face a particular place for salat, who are you to dispute it.

We are not disputing what the Lord says. Rather, we are not that gullible to swallow what even Muslims have been unable to defend for themselves before asking others to swallow.

@olutomiwa,

olutomiwa:
davidylan,tellyb,babyosisi,gwaine,mr pataki all other soldiers of Christ on nairaland,i want to thank you all not only for sharing your knowledge with us and for DEFLATING ALL THE LIES members of the OPPOSING TEAM posted on this thread,but also for being TRUE SOLDIERS OF CHRIST,my God continue to enrich your knowledge,bless and protect u,you guys made me to be proud of being a christain,may heaven be OURS IN Jesus name{AMEN}

God bless you many times more!

@nuru,

nuru:
"What informs the location of the Kaaba". Only God and his Messanger can answer that definitely.

Ah-a! Wetin happen to the claim that Abraham built Allah's house on that very spot; then pagans took over; then 40 years inbetween Muhammad overtook Noah and today - viola!!?? Infact, I really want to know where the commandment of the Jerusalem direction fit in all this Adam-to-Abraham and then Kaa'ba issue.

nuru:
Its just like asking what determines the location of oil reserves and deposits of diamond, gold etc around the world. There are lots of history surrounding the building of the Kaaba that the Muslims believe in and they are plausible.

Islam does not claim that they are plausible; rather, Muhammad wanted everyone to believe nothing else than his own version - whether or not plausible.

nuru:
But a more ordinary look tells you that looking at the map of the world, as it was acclaimed ( still looking for the reference )that probably the continents were joined together before, and given the location of Makkah, you would almost conclude that the Kaaba is at the centre of the surface of the earth.

The theory of Plate Tectonics developed in 1912 by Alfred Wegener, a German meteorologist; in which he saw a single super continent that he called Pangea. Over a long period of time, the super continent split up into large continents, Gondwanaland and Laurasia surrounding the ancient Tethys sea. You can have a glance in the following link to understand just a bit of this theory:

                   http://www.stvincent.ac.uk/Resources/EarthSci/Tectonics/


However, what should come to our attention here is the recontructed tales told by Muslim apologists (they're at it again O!). Take this statement in your post: "given the location of Makkah, you would almost conclude that the Kaaba is at the centre of the surface of the earth". Oga, sorry. . . but that is simply not true. The position of Makkah/Mecca is way skewed from the continental fault lines to be regarded as the center of the surface of the earth!! Na who sell you that lecture sef??

Take a look at the map below and please try and locate you Makkah to see for yourself!

            https://www.stvincent.ac.uk/Resources/EarthSci/Tectonics/images/atlcont.gif

You can trace the continental coastlines to see that your assumptions are not anywhere near accurate. Infact, to bring the view of the faultline closer, see the map below:

               [img]http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/graphics/Fig16.gif[/img]


So, nuru, where did you pick up your geography lessons?? Do you realize that there are reknowned Muslim geographers of centuries past? One of them is Ibn Batuta, and he didn't fall for this nonsense that modern Muslim apologists are trying shakara the pucblic with!

nuru:
Now come to think of it, there are two dates and time in a year that sun comes overhead above the Kaaba. Those two dates and times are:

May 28 at 9:18UT
July 16 at 9:27UT


" When you observe the sun at these times (after converting it to your local time), you will be facing the Kaaba giving you Qibla direction, because if there were a very high minaret over Kaaba reaching up to the sky, then you will see it just like you are seeing the sun. "

" Now, let us take a few examples. If you are in Islamabad, Pakistan (+5 hours time difference from Greenwich), the local time to observe the sun would be 2:18pm on May 28, and 2:27pm on July 16. Similarly, if you are in Nova Scotia, Canada (-3 hours time difference from Greenwich), the local time to observe the sun would be 6:18am on May 28, and 6:27am on July 16"

" If you are at a location that you cannot see the sun on the above mentioned two dates, then you can locate Qibla from the sun when it comes overhead at a point diametrically opposite of Makkah on the globe and look for the following two dates and times:

November 28 at 21:09UT
January 16 at 21:29UT

Face toward the shadow from the sun at these times (after converting it to local time) and you will be facing Kaaba. If you can see the sun but cannot see the shadow, put your back towards the sun and your face will be towards Qibla. "

I hope everybody on the thread can check out the above facts that have been proved over the ages. The rising and setting of the sun cannot be manipulated at least for now by humans. It is the work of the Creator of every being.

In just one statement, the above simply collapses flat on the fact that everyone facing EAST cannot ALL be facing the Kaa'ba! There's just no way Muslims are going to dribble round this issue.

I am quite aware that Muslims have come up with at least 5 ways to locate the Qibla. Those who use those five ways of finding the Qibla location are careful to not mention the "east" - because they know that the theory earlier given for this concerning facing the EAST cannot be substantiated - even from their holy books!

nuru:
" Glory be to Him in Whose hand is the dominion of the Heavens and the Earths. May His Peace continue to abide with the Righteous and the Truthful ''

I really hope for once you guys will simply face facts and give glory to God on the truth being revealed to you from those whom your Qur'an accuse of being pagans!

@nuru,

nuru:
The original question on the thread is " Why do Muslims face the East when praying".

Its been explained in previous postings that the Muslims do not face east when "praying". Rather Muslims face the Qiblah when observing the "canonical worship" called salat.

I have a couple of questions for you with regards to your post:

# Where do Muslims themselves get the idea that they face the EAST when praying?

# Are there verses in the Qur'an and Hadiths stipulating the direction Muslims face for
salat?

# What was the main reason why Muhammad was first facing Jerusalem in his prayers?

# What was the main reason why Muhammad turned from Jerusalem to the Kaa'ba?

# Why was the prayer direction not first towards the Kaa'ba but rather towards Jerusalem?

There are so many questions that keep popping up with responses like yours, because they either deliberately ignore the very issues that many Muslims have been pushing across board; or else such responses are made in compromisive stances of what has been debunked.

nuru:
Salat is compulsory five times in a day for a "typical" Muslim . There other practices that Muslims engage in that are roughly translated to prayer in English. These include supplication(duai), Reflections(Adhkar), etc. Muslims are not enjoined to face the Qiblah during those other acts.

Perhaps, you might agree with most of us that supplications involves "prayer" in some measure. So another question: why are Muslims obligated to face the direction of the Kaa'ba when "praying"??

nuru:
From above, the question can then be rephrased as " Why do Muslims face the Qiblah when performing salat" . The simple answer is that it is a commandment of God and true believers will obey God first of all before looking for comprehensible reasons for the commandment.

Which does not answer the question just above. However, after how many centuries of obeying 'Allah', what then are the "comprehensive reasons for the commandment"??

nuru:
Another question will then be " Do the Muslims get the direction of the Qiblah right ". Yes, most Muslims do and even where genuinely, there is an error, God has given so much latitude as to declare that His face is everywhere in every direction. That is one of the things that show that Islam is a practical religion.

If there are "errors" and people find themselves committing such errors under the magnanimous latitude that His face is everywhere, then what then is the rational for the "commandment" in the first place??

Second, although this might be an offtopic issue, but I find it quizzical that most Muslims claim on the one hand that 'Allah' cannot be compared to anything and anyone; but on the other hand they speak of 'Allah' having a face - and that face is everywhere!!! That doesn't seem practical, especially when Muslims condemn the doctrines of other religions in order to promote theirs.

nuru:
Another question is " Do Muslims now have other comprehensible reasons for facing the Qiblah apart from following God's injunction " Yes Muslims do. Facing the Qiblah from all over the world is a big spiritual statement. Think of the Qiblah as multitudes of arrows pointing to the same spot from all around the globe. The spot is the Kaaba which is situated in the Sacred Masjid in Makkah. The Kaaba is just a building of four walls with covered roofs and a black stone at one of the corners. When you are in the Sacred Masjid, you pray facing the Kaaba. Pilgrimage to the Sacred Masjid which entails 'circumbulation' round the Kaaba is enjoined on a "typical" Muslim at least once in his/her lifetime. At least from human reasoning, we know that facing the Qiblah is a constant reminder of universal brotherhood of mankind under one creator, Allah. This is the spiritual statement.

The spiritual statement says only one thing: meaninglessness. Sorry, but that is precisely what Muhammad's companions confessed when following the example of the prophet of Islam who KISSED THE BLACK STONE!

Please nuru, if this spiritual statement is going anywhere at all, then you would have to explain to us the spiritual significance of the BLACK STONE! The veneration given to that stone is begging for serious answers to the question of its being something akin to worshipping it.

Hi @noibilism,

noibilism:
salam to the muslims outhere,
i really want to know why muslims are not always found organising wealth creation seminars for their members like their christian counetrparts.i will reall like to break this jinx because it is becoming very embarrasing to we the muslims.

Although I'm not a muslim, the current development need not be embarrassing to your brethren - or even to us. There are quite a few active organizations holding such seminars by Muslims for Muslims. I don't have them with me presently (as I'm in an internet cafe); but when I get home, will post a few for your consideration. They may not be active in Nigeria, though.

Anyhow, at the moment, perhaps the following might help towards your projects:

"Poor Muslim-American Islamic-Investment Strategies
The topic of this posting and a recent khutba is the real "Islamic finance":
How to maximize the good that one can do, or in our quasi-materialistic religious rhetoric,
how to maximize our wealth of hasanat or good deeds."

                 Source: http://elgamal..com/2007/02/poor-muslim-american-islamic.html

Cheers, and good luck in your aspirations. 

mukina2:
The bible is not complete also .but you are still a christian

@mukina2,

Can you explain the following to me as to why they exist in Islam? Here:

(a) Cancelled verses of the Qur'an

(b) LOST BOOKS (Torah and Injil) of Allah

(c) missing verses of the Qur'an

(d) why the third Caliph Uthman burnt the other Qur'an copies of his day

(e) the Qur'an cannot be translated because it immediately ceases being Allah's word.

Just five questions for now. The reason I'm asking them is to seek answers from you and other Muslims concerning the claim of perfection of Islam's holy books.

Another point is that none of the pictures or paintings that Muhammad prohibited were purposely made for worship. We should constantly keep in mind that it was about HUMAN BEINGS and ANIMALS that he made those prohibitions.

For those who are arguing that the prohibitions were only for prophets, what has animals got to do with prophets??

davidylan:
Did you pass Geography in school at all? Does east face the same direction for Libyans, Finnish, Dutch and Ghanains? If east is east wherever you are then what is the purpose of having a compass?

You know what? When I think of people making such wildly frantic statements as "east is east wherever one faces or stands", I recoil and ask myself if these folks have anything to offer. It is even more hilarious that most of their apologists pretend that Islam is "the most scientific" religion! Where did these guys put their brains??

kewe:
i think people should be allowed to worship God in whatever way, facing wherever.

Infact, you have summarized so neatly for me.

kewe:
what's important is making sure the worship gets to GOD

True talk! Super!

kewe:
@Telly B
i relli envy your knowledge

Well, I'm blushing. If you could say all I had to say in just two lines, I should rather be the one envying you!!

davidylan:
you forgot to include the committee of concerned christians for allah (CCCA)!

CCCA: The bible says thou shalt not judge, the way you so-called christians are attacking muslims is appaling. I am shocked to read some of the responses from my brethren in Christ.
Question: But the bible says in 1 Peter 3: 15 . . .always be ready to give an answer to everyone who asks you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, with humility and fear:

Aahh!! I forgot the CCCA!

jiddah:
enough of the bland arguement,muslims face the east when praying because that is what Allah says and that is the location of the kaaba.any muslim anywhere in the world knows that,and so they face the east.

That would be arguing with eyes closed to the facts. At least, another Muslim who has a good knowledge of simple Geography has admitted that is not the case!! Scroll up and see sandoka's frank and no-nonsense post!

jiddah:
if u are in any part of the world your east is your east it does not move because u are in helsinki or japan or even calabar,east is east.

Another argument from eyes closed. The East for Australians is not the East of South Americans.

jiddah:
imagine the beauty of muslims all over the World praying to Allah all facing one direction,

What direction? Is Allah located in the east? Is it not to the Kaa'ba that they direct their faces when praying?

jiddah:
this does not mean that God is in a particular place but u face the sacred house.

If God is not in a particular place, what is so vital about facing one direction?

jiddah:
the holy kaaba was used as a place of idol worshipping before the advent of islam and that house was built by Abraham who was one of Allah favorite prophets,

Good. Now you're coming home closer to truth. Can you please tell us why Muhammad retained the BLACK STONE after asking that all other idols be swept out of the Kaa'ba??

jiddah:
Allah has chosen it therefore it is sacred.and please Islam says seek for knowlegde,find out the right manner and stop stop being bias those that are being bias,

How have you argued out your case from knowledge if your Geography is skewed? Is your bias rather not bland?

jiddah:
any way islam is not for all but and if u don't believe does noot mean u pass annoying remarks.

What annoying remarks? How has questioning the idea of a faulty device stationed "EAST" now become annoying remarks??

dejia:
I guess most of us are Nigerians, But why hasnt anybody recommended a book written by a Nigerian Author?

I thought Chris Oyakhilome is Nigerian?

donnie:
The Seven Spirits Of God by Chris Oyakhilome.

mrpataki:
Sequel to your post here, I would like to ask you and all your muslims brothers, why Islamic scholars seek for the relevance of Mo from the Old Testament in the Bible. Precisely from Deuteronomy 18 : 18??

It can be simplified this way:

          Question:  Where are the Torah and Injil?

          Muslim: They are LOST and cannot be found!!

          Question:  How then can Muhammad be found in the Deuteronomy and John's Gospel?

          Muslim: Those are not the Gospel and Torah that Allah sent down!!

          Question: Okay, so which ones did Muhammad use in his day?

          Muslim: Are you trying to tell me that those Gospels are the Injil?

          Question: I only asked you about what Torah and Injil Muhammad used!

          Muslim: Now answer my question first!!

          Question: Right then. There is no place in the Qur'an where a different Torah
                                  is spoken of. Infact, the Hadith said that Muhammad believed in the
                                  same Torah that the Jews used!

          Muslim: [panics and dashes to his favourte website to plagiarize materials;
                               doesn't find a suitable one, and then returns with more panic] Well,
                               I have 101 questions against Christianity; and you MUST answer me!

          Question: But you haven't answered the one on the Torah and the Injil?!?

          Muslim: It is glaring that you and your folks are crying. So answer me FIRST!

Enter stimulus. . .

          stimulus: Muslim, I've answered some of your questions in a thread I opened!

          Muslim: [still dazed by pilgrim.1's threads] You still have not answered my questions!

          stimulus: But I have quoted from Muslim authors and translators!

          Muslim: I pity your deluded authors that lied in order to deceive you!!


Enter the sobbing congregation (SC) of 'muslim'

          SC: Em Muslim, we are very impressed! You have won the debate!   

          Muslim: Salaam. I am too much for them!


Addendum: Has the basic question been answered by 'Muslim'??

@mrpataki,

mrpataki:


. . . . . . . . . . Seriously where did all this all these muslims pop up from? Mo must have good mercenaries.

I don't know. Perhaps just like I stumbled across this site!

mrpataki:
My Question also is this: Is the Ka'bah the universal locator to determine where is the East, South , West and North?

Nope. Only rascals who can't afford to be honest with themselves will make claims like that.

mrpataki:
@ Telly B,

. . . . . . . . .lol Am beginning to ask myself when I will stop been humbled by intellectuals of your type!

Okay, I'm very very sorry about that. Lol. Honestly, I am. It shouldn't have come across like that; but you're such a good brother (in my opinion) to get along with.

mrpataki:
You are simply outstanding! Keep the love of Christ flying!

I'm dazed. . .lol. Outstanding?? I be olodo O!

mrpataki:
God Bless you greatly. Am honored to read to from you and several others here!

I'm really honoured to be a member of the Forum, because in such a short time I have learnt volumes from so many people.

God bless.

@sandoka,

sandoka:
We muslims hear and obey. Whatever Allah (swt) commands us to do, we do it without hesitation for He is All-Knowing, Most Merciful.
I know little about geography and i will say the direction of the qibla depends on your location on the surface of the earth. While some muslims face East, others don't just like how one side of the Earth sees day light, and the other side sees darkness.

Okay, thanks for being honest there!  

sandoka:
If you take a look at any world map, there is what they call longitude and latitude. Some parts of the world live East of the Greenwich and the other part live West of the Greenwich. Nigeria is situated East of the Greenwich.Likewise Saudi Arabia that's why we face East when we want to pray. Muslims in America don't face East when they want to pray because they live West of the Greenwich.

Anoda honest remark! Are you even Muslim??  

sandoka:
Literally we don't face East, we face North East that is 90degrees East of the Greenwich. I studied map reading very well in secondary school that's how i came about this.

See?? We're still counting!!  

sandoka:
While i was attending the Air Force Military School in Jos, we were taught how to locate a point on any map and find our way through the jungle to our destination. I am sure most of us know about bearing in mathematics.

I also had that kind of training.

sandoka:
If you do then you will find this easy to understand.

I'm following you. . . until you bend comot for corner!!  

sandoka:
We would be taken far into the bush and we will be given a topographical map, compass, binoculars and we will have to find certain things on our way to prove that we are on the right track.

Correct!

sandoka:
Now back to basis. The Qibla is in Mecca. Nigeria lies about 3-15 degrees North of the Equator. Saudi Arabia lies about 40 degrees North of the Equator this makes the two countries to be in the same hemisphere. Get a map, Find Nigeria and Saudi Arabia and draw the four cardinal points on each country;N,E,W,S. Get a ruler and join these two places with a straight line then you will see that Muslims in Nigeria don't face east per se but North East. Similarly do the same thing for a country like Australia and you will find out that their directions are different. If you have time do the same thing for other countries like America, Finland, Canada, Greece etc.

Correct guy! A1 for you o jare!  
Is that not what I have been trying to put across to our friends?? And someone is telling me about qiblah detector!!

sandoka:
The bottom line here is that countries that live West of Saudi Arabia face East to pray and countries that live East of Saudi Arabia face Westwards towards the Qibla to pray.

I hope this small piece makes a lot of sense.

M-e-n!! You made huge sense!!  
And thank you.

@mrpataki,

mrpataki:
What exactly is your drivel about on? We have thousands of authors coming with all their propanga of nonsense decieving the world and it has actually made the world a horror to behold sometimes.

Lol. . . let's what and read his sequel. He may actually not be drivelling; and we can't really say anything until he has posted his write-ups.

mrpataki:
At least a muslim folk here has called some of your authentic muslim authors to be deluded authors.

Point of correction: he called them "deluded authors that lied in order to deceive"!! 

                https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52589.32.html#msg1108087
         

mrpataki:
A question has been raised here that demands an answer!

Several questions, actually. And we are still waiting for their answers! 

@babs787,

babs787:
I replied your allegation.

Ok.

babs787:
It is not an issue of getting a copy but you telling me what it contains.

I will do so if you could please simply state what you believe is the Torah.

babs787:
Brother, I can never be wrong but you are the confusing the whole issue.

Pride is not a virtue.

babs787:
You are claiming that the Quran does not contain the Torah and I am asking you, if it does not, how come we are having everything about Moses and the Jew in the Quran?

You don't have "everything" about Moses and the Jews in the Qur'an.

The simple issue here has been the Qur'an calls them BOOKS of Moses. You called them "stories". Please quote the verses in the Qur'an in exactly the verse I offered, and let's see if indeed the Qur'an called them "stories"!

@TV01,

Lol. Yep, it's the "Yomi Says" Forum. I haven't posted anything there yet; just reading through issues.

I stumbled across this Forum while searching the web for something to spice up a paper I was writing. But I think 'Yomi Says' is ripe enough for me to register my presence there.

Cheers and God bless.

Yep. . . you recognized the "style" - but I'm not yet on 'Yomi Says'.

Telly B:
May I ask Muslims who love Jesus Christ: is it true that when Christians refer to Jesus as God, they are worshipping a false god?

Can you please answer. Thanks.

@babs787,

My questions are to make you think about what you posted in response to the very same tired old questions you keep recycling. If you can't answer EVEN ONE, please say so. Answer one, answer all. If you have anything afterwards, then you can either discuss it, or keep repeating yourself.

Can you please answer the questions above in response to the post I quoted from you??

@babs787,

I think I have been fair enough to deal with most of your questions in other threads. The Forum is a place for discussions between people; and rather NOT a place to demand anything of others while you dodge theirs. Should I look forward to your answers to my questions; or you would rather keep avoiding the threads where they are posted??

@babs787,

What questions? I have been attending to your questions and all you do is circumvent those I offered. If you can't debate issues fairly, you can as well simply say so.

Aha!! TV01, how are you?? Saw you on another Forum, and was wondering if it was not you!! How far??

@babs787,

Did you read my response above for the reasons WHY Joseph was called the son of Heli and also the son of David?? (Luke 3:23 and Matt. 1:20).

Did Luke use the word BEGAT as Matthew did in his (the latter's) record??