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Skooltynz:
Even ojukwu knew when he has to surrender, zelensky should stop wasting Ukrainian lived because of these American psychopaths.

May strong enemies of your life like Russia overrun you at take whatever they wish from you. And may you act according to the wisdom you advocate for Zelensky!

It's a fair prayer: can I get an amen from you if Russia is indeed in the right

Expanse2020:
You need to work on how you read and digest the sentence you read after you see a clearer message in the passage you will still argue blantly

Why is it that over 90% of your hadiths are plain falsehood?

Expanse2020:
Can you read the message I sent to you back🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ọmọ i sorry for the way you assimilate and think in that faculty of your head oooo
Chaiiiii

The question is simple:

Are you saying that it is untrue that the throne of Allah is carried by eight Angels?

Expanse2020:
But Jesus or God is finite too right

God by His Spirit is Infinite.
Everything seen and unseen exist in Him!
Acts 17:28
‘For in Him (God) we live and move and have our being.’


Allah cannot be over the 7th heaven and below the heavens at the same time, can he?
This is why he is limited.
Allah cannot enter his creation without ceasing to be God!
Too bad for you!

Expanse2020:
Jesus share boos from bible naw, shey u de wine nii...
Why does Allah need 8 Angels to carry him!

This is a stupid question coming out from stupid mouth nawẹ. Na today the dem they carry king inside palanquin talkless of the KING OF KINGS...

Are you saying that it is untrue that the throne of Allah is carried by eight Angels?

Expanse2020:
You need to go back to school if simple English you can't understand...we can't help it..

So, your English is so superb to understand falsehood.

This is why I posted the whole chapter for you to read the Psalm of David to judge.

Too bad, Islamic dawa breaks down

Expanse2020:
Can you hear yourself out
The Sun is big, but because we can see it, the sun is limited. So is Allah!
🤣🤣🤣🤣But you should try go to the orbit to see how the sun is big and hugged it for a sec..

Why did you reason like a kid.
Allah is not limited like those God kill by Jews and Roman.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Anything that can be seen is finite in size: don't you know this?

If you can see it at a location, it can not be anywhere else thus finite.
Allah is very finite sir!

Expanse2020:
Ehen Jesus take money from fish mouth ehen

And also share the boos make everybody shayo🤣🤣🤣🤣

You are confused that its not in the Quran!

Why does Allah need 8 Angels to carry him!

Expanse2020:
A God who was poor that wear only a robe through out his life but given wealth to human..does it make sense🤣🤣🤣🤣

Does your God need rich clothe to be rich?

The Christ who could bring money out of the mouth of a fish is not who you think!

The Messiah who multiplied five loves of
bread and two fishes is not who you think

Phil 2:7
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Does your God need to dress big to be himself?

Expanse2020:
According to Islam
1. Jesus alone had a mother without a Father so in the bible who is father of Jesus; Joseph or David,🤣🤣🤣🤣

God is the Father of Jesus in the Bible.
But Jesus is also a descendant of David through Mary

Expanse2020:
2. Jesus alone is a co-creator of Life with Allah
Jesus not co creator unless you put it as your taught ... So in the bible Jesus call himself co creator of life abii

Allah gave a challenge.
Quran 22:73
O humanity! A lesson is set forth, so listen to it ˹carefully˺: those ˹idols˺ you invoke besides Allah can never create ˹so much as˺ a fly, even if they ˹all˺ were to come together for that. And if a fly were to snatch anything away from them, they cannot ˹even˺ retrieve it from the fly. How powerless are those who invoke and those invoked!
Is this untrue?

Jesus crated a bird in the Quran as attested by Allah
Quran 3:49
and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird—by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life—by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe.

Expanse2020:
During the time of Moses in the Egypt when he went to a seclusion place to fast for 40days... The children of Israel were seen worshipping a bull which of the sorcerer have put with sand and told them to be bowing to before Moses come back..so what is the big deal on that
You have never see a magician summon a life beautiful bird from ordinary birọ, handkerchief.. so what did it do that no one have ever done

From which Maudu hadith did you find this?
I am sure that you don't even realize that if this is true, then Allah is false.
If this is true, Quran 22:73 is false.

What do you say?

Expanse2020:
3. Jesus is the only one one who Allah took to himself (above the seventh heaven) show me in the bible where there is 7th heaven in the bible and if there is nothing like that prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) reach the 7th heaven but meet Jesus in 3rd heaven so Jesus was not in 7th heaven.

Are you denying your religion?
Where is Allah, is he below the 7th heaven or above the 7th heaven?
Did Allah not say that he took Jesus to himself?

There is no cock and bull story like this in the Bible.

Expanse2020:
4. Jesus is the only one who went bodily to heaven without passing through death. Is a lie did Elijah die before going to heaven

Are you faulting the claim of Islam?
How did Allah take Jesus up to himself?

Expanse2020:
5. Jesus is the only spirit of Allah and the only word of Allah ehen he is not a spirit of Allah rather he is a spirit among spirit from Allah

Can you then explain why your prophet called Jesus
1. Ruhullah and
2. Kalimatullah
(Sura 3:45, 4;171)

Can you tell us what they mean?
Muslims can tell lies for Africa!

Expanse2020:
6. Jesus is the only one who spoke as a baby (meaning that he wasn't truly a baby) did he speak as a baby in the bible please show me

Is it a lie that Jesus spoke as a baby in the Quran

The Bible doesn't have such cock and bull stories!

Just find me any human being that has one quarter of this characteristics.
Unfortunately, you refused to answer my questions for the same questions you asked me. I have answer it already
Is it because, they don't have any answer in Islam?

Expanse2020:
Allah have the power to do anything
so tell his creation is not a problem but it will not because he doesn't need it when he can easily do anything from up..he didn't need to enter any creation to come down.. Allah is not limitless like another God...wick Gods

Are you sure Allah can enter his creation!?

If he enters his creation, will he carry his throne along or his throne will be vacant?

You very well know that Allah is limited.
Would you Muslims see Allah on the judgment day?
If you will, then Allah is limited.

The Sun is big, but because we can see it, the sun is limited. So is Allah!

Expanse2020:
Psalms 2:7 we find “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
” David was also a begotten son.. which making brother to Jesus not father .. and in Israel it is man that claimed child not woman so why will you attributes it to son of David when he doesn't have father

Did you bother to check that David was writing about the Messiah and not about himself?

Psalm 2:1-12
1 Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion.”

7 “I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
9 You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

10 Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear, And rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.

SMH!

Expanse2020:
I have answer your questions

It is a lie, you haven't answered my questions

Focus on the highlights in Yellow in the hadith.
1. Did Allah change his shape or not?
2. Did he take permission from you Muslims to change his shape?
3. By the way, which of these two shapes is real the shape of Allah?
4. Is Allah entering into his creation?

Expanse2020


I am still waiting for you

Focus on the highlights in Yellow in the hadith.
1. Did Allah change his shape or not?
2. Did he take permission from you Muslims to change his shape?
3. By the way, which of these two shapes is real the shape of Allah?
4. Is Allah entering into his creation?


Are any of these untrue?

Expanse2020:
Did he have a human father to be called son of David 🤣🤣🤣
And the David was also a biggotten son perhaps they are even brother not father and son

Because Mary was a descendant of David from the tribe of Judah.

Can you quote where David was called a begotten son? You seem to be confused!

Expanse2020:
he doesn't need to enter his creation to do anything for on this earth...

This is not the question:

Does Allah have the power to enter his creation without ceasing to be God?

It's a simple question!

Expanse2020:
So if you that Adam and eve didn't have parents so what is the big deal about the one who has only mother... atleast he had a mother to cater for him when he can't do anything on his own... And you call that God.. he was breast feeding when he was a toddler just like me and you and you call it God.

Are you tell me Jesus was the only one raised to heaven what of Elijah 🤣🤣

See how you avoided answering my questions after I answered Allah yours.

It's a big deal that Jesus didn't have a human Father except you can state exactly what Allah was trying to achieve!
If you can't, then you have no case!

Did Elijah go to heaven according to Islamic doctrines?
Even if he did, that is not the issue except you can find anyone else who has a combination of unique miracles all accumulated in a single person.
According to Islam
1. Jesus alone had a mother without a Father
2. Jesus alone is a co-creator of Life with Allah
3. Jesus is the only one one who Allah took to himself (above the seventh heaven)
4. Jesus is the only one who went bodily to heaven without passing through death.
5. Jesus is the only spirit of Allah and the only word of Allah
6. Jesus is the only one who spoke as a baby (meaning that he wasn't truly a baby)


Just find me any human being that has one quarter of this characteristics.



Unfortunately, you refused to answer my questions for the same questions you asked me.


Is it because, they don't have any answer in Islam?

Expanse2020:
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Where is the answer provided by you to all those questions I posted there...
Highlights all the answers so that I can see it clearly 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Your questions have been answered:

To test your sincerity, I brought you this hadith Sahih al-Bukhari 6573
Focus on the highlights in Yellow in the hadith quoted
1. Did Allah change his shape or not?
2. Did he take permission from you Muslims to change his shape?
3. By the way, which of these two shapes is real the shape of Allah?
4. Is Allah entering into his creation?

Expanse2020:
If Jesus was a God he would have descent on the earth but not by birth..(Abi when he was a kid who is controlling the earth that time)

Unlike Allah,
*God is everywhere as a Spirit
*God is on His throne in Heaven as the Father
*God is His word which became Jesus here on earth.

In other words, Jesus being a baby did not Change the nature of the Omnipresence, Omnipotent and Omniscient nature of God.

Can Allah enter his creation without ceasing to be God!

Expanse2020:
Why was Jesus without a human father?

If he had a human father, he would have been a human being like the rest of us.
If Jesus had a human father, he would have needed freedom from the sin of Adam and Eve.
If Jesus had a human father, he would have been a sinner Luke the rest of us and therefore cannot atone for the sins of others.

In Islam, what is the wisdom from Allah that Jesus shouldn't have a Father?

Expanse2020:
What was Allah trying to achieve? It's be and it's be of Allah,

You will tell me about Allah.

But the Father made Jesus unique because
1. Jesus was to be the Atonement and Ransome for our guilt of Sin against the integrity of God.
2. If He was our ransom, he must be perfect and without sin.

What was Allah trying to achieve by
1. Making Jesus a co-creator of Life with Allah (Jesus created a bird exactly as Allah created Adam)
2. Jesus did not have a Father: why?
(even though there was no reason for it).
If there is , please say it.
3. Jesus is the only human being raised up to Allah (above the 7th heaven): why?
4. Jesus is the only one called "Spirit of Allah" and the "Word of Allah": why?
5. Jesus is the only prophet who knows what a man hides in his house (this is the power Allah alone should possess): why?

Expanse2020:
tell me who is the father and Mother of Adam..were Adam (A.S) was born from a woman because all us are in the same categories as human being (PLEASE I DEMAND ANSWER FOR THIS QUESTION)

Adam and Eve couldn't have a Father or mother because no single human being existed. Hence, God took the clay/mud and moulded them before breathing into them.

Expanse2020:
Mumu you where in the bible did the bible said Jesus is only unique son of God

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of[b] Adam, which was the son of God.” [/b](Luke 3:38).
David was even a biggotten son before Jesus..,😱Jesus

Psalms 2:7 we find “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.”

What about isreal, Abraham ASLO and what about the two sons of God that came to earth to have sex actually Funimation in the bible with beautiful daughters of men ....
So Jesus was not only the begotten son and not only son of God he has plenty senior brothers self

You call Jesus son of God and Bible call him son of David in dide occasion..who they lied among you

Mark 10:47
And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out and say, “Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!

See simple comprehension of what is plain but of course, you are dull in understanding.

Is the statement of God literal or figurative?

You will need to defend whatever position you take o!


Are you also not the son of your father and the son of Adam?
Is this a contradiction?


For Jesus is both son of God and son of man! This is why he is called son of David!
The Messiah must come through David.

[quote author=Expanse2020 post=130381510][/quote]You did not answer my Question and I have answered yours.

You determined that you have the power to decide what you think God can or cannot do. You cannot base your premise on falsehood and expect an answer based on it.

Who determined what God can or cannot do? Is it you? On what authority?

To test your sincerity, I brought you this hadith Sahih al-Bukhari 6573
Focus on the highlights in Yellow in the hadith quoted
1. Did Allah change his shape or not?
2. Did he take permission from you Muslims to change his shape?
3. By the way, which of these two shapes is real the shape of Allah?
4. Is Allah entering into his creation?



Did you read this in the Hadith
Sahih al-Bukhari 6573
Allah will come to them in a shape other than they know and will say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'We seek refuge with Allah from you. This is our place; (we will not follow you) till our Lord comes to us, and when our Lord comes to us, we will recognize Him.

Who is the one who will come to you Muslims in a different shape?


Just as your insinuation,
If Allah is God, then he should not have changed his shape!


Do you agree with is statement above?

Expanse2020:
Read the hadiths back and read my answer. It's there already


I asked you a questions you didn't answer any of it...it is only a coward will see questions and not answer it.. You have been asking questions try to answer this too if you have balls

If Jesus is a God he should have stop what happened to him on the cross said by the bible

He should have told Judas that you will betrayed me and remove him from the 12 disciples (because of the unrighteous act)

Why did Jesus didn't told people all this event I listed

If Jesus was a God he would have to people to worship him only

If Jesus was a God he would have descent on the earth but not by birth..(Abi when he was a kid who is controlling the earth that time)

Why was Jesus without a human father? What was Allah trying to achieve? It's be and it's be of Allah,

tell me who is the father and Mother of Adam..were Adam (A.S) was born from a woman because all us are in the same categories as human being (PLEASE I DEMAND ANSWER FOR THIS QUESTION)

You think Jesus should have stopped his crucifixion if He was God,
Do you have the power to decide what God will or will not do?
When Allah changed his shape, did he ask you for your permission?
Is it beneath Allah to change into another shape other than his real shape?

Don't change the topic.
Address these points then we can go to to wherever you want


Focus on the highlights in Yellow in the hadith.
1. Did Allah change his shape or not?
2. Did he take permission from you Muslims to change his shape?
3. By the way, which of these two shapes is real the shape of Allah?
4. Is Allah entering into his creation?


Are any of these untrue?

Expanse2020:
Did you know that there is a lie in that verse
Because David was also called only begotten son
Also isreal are also begotten son
ASLO Abraham

Jesse is the father of David!
Terah is the Father of Abraham!
Isaac is the Father of Israel!
Israel is also a Nation!

Only Donkeys wouldn't know what a figurative expression is.

Only Jesus is both uniquely both Figuratively a Son and Literally a son.

AntiChristian:
K.

K. K. K.
Confounded as usual

Expanse2020:
Are you that daft that you cannot understand English again...
The hadiths said when Allah shows some of people what they were worship during the resurrection day, every each people will follow what they worship (Sun,Moon, Scripture of 3 in 1, water, snake,Bull) but only Muslim will remain standing, then another shape will appear and the Muslim will said we seek refuge from this creation from Allah only then Allah will appear on his own true form and said I am your lord which you used to worship...

So what confuses you about simple English..
But Jesus will denied you because you are doing another thing to what he brought during his time... He didn't clap, sing,dance, he didn't false people to paid or instruct them to pay it
He doesn't told you to worship 3in 1 rather didn't call himself a God..It's inside the both bible and Quran that he will denied you..

PLEASE ANSWERS THOSE QUESTIONS I ASKED YOU EARLIER

Focus on the highlights in Yellow.
1. Did Allah change his shape or not?
2. Did he take permission from you Muslims to change his shape?
3. By the way, which of these two shapes is real the shape of Allah?
2/4. Is Allah entering into his creation?

Expanse2020:
If Jesus is a God he should have stop what happened to him on the cross said by the bible
He should have told Judas that you will betrayed me and remove him from the 12 disciples (because of the unrighteous act)

If Jesus was a God he would have to people to worship him only
If Jesus was a God he would have descent on the earth but not by birth..(Abi when he was a kid who is controlling the earth that time)
Find answers to that first

You think you have the right or power to decide what God can do or what He cannot do?

Muslims are always creating Allah according to their imagination. This is why you wouldn't recognise Allah when he came to you Muslims in another shape other than you want him to be.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6573
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Some people said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He said, "Do you crowd and squeeze each other on looking at the sun when it is not hidden by clouds?" They replied, "No, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)." He said, "Do you crowd and squeeze each other on looking at the moon when it is full and not hidden by clouds?" They replied, No, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)!" He said, "So you will see Him (your Lord) on the Day of Resurrection similarly Allah will gather all the people and say, 'Whoever used to worship anything should follow that thing. 'So, he who used to worship the sun, will follow it, and he who used to worship the moon will follow it, and he who used to worship false deities will follow them; and then only this nation (i.e., Muslims) will remain, including their hypocrites. Allah will come to them in a shape other than they know and will say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'We seek refuge with Allah from you. This is our place; (we will not follow you) till our Lord comes to us, and when our Lord comes to us, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to then in a shape they know and will say, "I am your Lord.' They will say, '(No doubt) You are our Lord,' and they will follow Him. Then a bridge will be laid over the (Hell) Fire." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) added, "I will be the first to cross it. And the invocation of the Apostles on that Day, will be 'Allahumma Sallim, Sallim (O Allah, save us, save us!),' and over that bridge there will be hooks Similar to the thorns of As Sa'dan (a thorny tree).....


1. By the way, which of these two shapes is real the shape of Allah?
2. Is Allah entering into his creation?

AntiChristian:
k.

Suddenly went dumb as the Truth that will set you free is bitter and you don't want it

AntiChristian:
Verses have contexts don't they!
What's the context?

What I can see is this
1. Allah decree that Every Muslim must enter hell fire as it is inevitable
2. Later, Allah will now remove you Muslims from the fire and leave the evil doers on their knees without redemption from the fire
3. Allah was silent on the time duration you will spend in hell fire before he removes you.


Have I said anything out of context?
If I have, let me know what I said out of context.

AntiChristian:
One verse without context!
Foolishness!

What is the context of Quran 19:71-72: except you want to manufacture a new meaning for it.

Is the words of Allah not clear again in Arabic?

Is Death annihilation in Islam?

AntiChristian:
Foolishness is quoting the Qur'an like John 3:16 without context!

Death doesn't save anyone!
After death it's the grave and judgement!
You thought you're saved!

Wait till you die!

Why don't you explain the context of
Quran 19:71-72
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمٗا مَّقۡضِيّٗا
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord .....

You can't escape going to hell fire until Allah later remove you probably after a million years.

This should scare you. Why should you first enter hell before Allah removes you?


You have not answered:
Why will God first have to temporarily put some people in hell fire with the hope of removing them later?

This is a deceit of satan.

AntiChristian:
We are trying our best to prepare for death! There's no use being afraid of what will come eventually and can even come at any time!

If one of your Gods can die others can too!
Allah is far above all such description!

So why threaten a person who is saved by God with death: isn't it a lame threat?

It is you who need to be afraid of death: do you have an assurance of salvation?


Quran 19:71
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمٗا مَّقۡضِيّٗا
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

This should scare you my friend!

Why will God first have to temporarily put some people in hell fire with the hope of removing them later?

This is a deceit of satan.

AntiChristian:
Yeah, right! They are theist too!

They are Muslims because they slam their heads on the ground towards an object. In your case, the Cube in Mecca